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Kansas City Chiefs Depth Chart Changes From 2009 To 2010: Offense

If you've read about the Kansas City Chiefs this offseason then it's fairly clear that they've made significant upgrade.s Last year they were working with lots of changes, new faces and little expectations.

In 2010 however the expectations have risen. That's due to the folks that the Chiefs have brought in.

I went back and looked at the depth chart at this time last year compared to the current one. There are quite a few differences on the offensive side of the ball.

Here's a look at the changes in the first team offense from 2009 to 2010.

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2009 first team (2010 first team)

C Rudy Niswanger (Casey Wiegmann): It's hard to call this an upgrade or downgrade because Wiegmann could decline fairly quickly because of his age.

RG Mike Goff (Ryan Lilja): This is clearly an upgrade. Goff was expected to be an average to solid starter last year but wasn't very good until he was put on IR. Lilja is younger and healthier so he's quickly an upgrade.

RT Ikechuku Ndukwe (Ryan O'Callaghan): Again, it's hard to call this a major upgrade. I think O'Callaghan is better, sure, so it's an upgrade but there's still some work to do here.

TE Sean Ryan (Leonard Pope): This is definitely an upgrade. Pope is a better blocker and pass catcher than Ryan. Plus he understands the system more.

WR Mark Bradley (Dwayne Bowe): With Chris Chambers in the fold, Bradley is technically being replaced by Bowe. Even with Bowe's inconsistencies, this is a big upgrade.

FB Mike Cox (Tim Castille): We're not even sure Castille will start and Cox is still on the team so this is a wash at this point.

RB Larry Johnson (Thomas Jones): Ideally, Jones is an upgrade but at the same time you can't just ignore that he's 32 years old. He carried the ball a ton over the last five years. I'm saying as of right now Jones is better than LJ but he's far from guaranteed.

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If you look at it individually, there are a lot of upgrades on the offense and there are reasons to be optimistic. Ultimately, what matters most is whether the 2010 version of Matt Cassel is better than the 2009 version of Matt Cassel. Quarterbacks control so much of a team's success but you can't blame the Chiefs for a lack of trying when it comes to putting talent around him.

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yeah I clicked on this knowing last years was going to be ugly.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 7, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

like

ugly on an ape.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Sep 7, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's an insult

to the apes of this world.

by MJR on Sep 7, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joel, loved how you phrased it ...
Goff was expected to be an average to solid starter last year but wasn’t very good until he was put on IR

so, after he went to IR he got better? no, wait … whoever took his place was an upgrade, yeah … that’s it

he WAS better for us on IR than on the field, less sacks allowed with him on IR, so I guess he DID improve by going there

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by upamtn on Sep 7, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i remember when we signed goff

i was so excited because i thought he was gonna be so good

haha i was wrong!

Player who NEEDS to step up: Matt cassel
Breakout players: Belcher, Gilberry, Moeaki
Early prediction for offensive MVP: Jamaal Charles
Early prediction for defensive MVP: Tamba Hali

by BEEf_CHIEF on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are so much better

Anybody having doubts about our team, just look at that.

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 7, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Only question...

The Chiefs were really bad in 2010 so how much better is good enough?

by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets not jump the gun on the 2010 season yet.

Yeah but we sucked in 09.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 7, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

if we double

our win total from 09, i’ll be content.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Sep 7, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

8-8

I would also be content with 8-8 this year.

by kcfangrl on Sep 7, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

smart grl ;-)

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Sep 7, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

even 7-9

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction....in other words Karma is a M______F_____

by Crunk4Cheifs on Sep 8, 2010 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

an AFC Championship

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 7, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

you've been duped by 3 years of sucky football from the Chiefs.

This team is night and day different than last year.

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that front 7 has improved greatly

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You asked for expectations

What did you expect?

The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.

by ArrowSpread on Sep 7, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’d like to to THINK that our Front 7 improved (“greatly”), but until I see it on the field for 4 Qtrs. Week in and Week out, and against every team’s best, THEN (and only THEN) I’ll say that we’ve “greatly improved”

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by R2J_24 on Sep 7, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Expectations

While 7-9 would be disappointing compared to an AFC championship, realistically 7-9 would mean steady improvement from a team that has been abysmal for the last several years. Keep up that rate of improvement, and the Chiefs really are contenders for the AFC championship in the next couple of years. Glass half full.

by kcfangrl on Sep 7, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

No more top 5 picks, 7-9 would be AWESOME!!!

" That was a cajun run! Flew Bayou!" - Dexter McCluster

by shotty on Sep 7, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

posting stuff like that online...

could end up with Dateline NBC at your front door

:)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

why?

Is Dateline an online Teen Dating site?

I gotta look!

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 7, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take 7-9

and not say it’s unfortunate. It’s a vast improvement and something to build on for our real break out season in 2011.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 7, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully you're right!

but i think we still got a long way to go. ill be happy with 8-8. i think this year we’ll be like what the houston texans were in 09. a team that just needs a few more pieces to become great

Player who NEEDS to step up: Matt cassel
Breakout players: Belcher, Gilberry, Moeaki
Early prediction for offensive MVP: Jamaal Charles
Early prediction for defensive MVP: Tamba Hali

by BEEf_CHIEF on Sep 7, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is all I take cold showers!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 7, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

no...worst case for me is a wild card game birth

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
Twitter: @GiftNate
Nate Gift

by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wanna win as much as any fan in here but come on......

u think the run D is strong enough …….really…….?

by HIT34MAN on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chiefs didn't gameplan for any of the preseason games

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL use the sarc font eh?

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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

the only difference I've seen is Arenas & McCluster

they have some weapons there. But they can’t stop the run unfortunately

by HIT34MAN on Sep 7, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a group that front 7 IS stopping the run

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dogging big Ron just isn't fair.

He played pretty well last year until he got worn out. We had no other NT to spell him. Smith and Toribio can come in once in a while to give him a breather. Edwards is a decent Nose. You just can’t expect him to play every down of every game.

It’s important to keep in mind that he played over 700 snaps last year. (742 to be exact, I think) That is a TON of snaps. He’s no spring chicken either. He did a decent job under the circumstances.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 7, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...

You don’t see Berry? Or Charles ready to go from week 1? Or Thomas Jones getting the tough yardage? Or better blocking up front? Or LBs making plays?

Chiefs are definitely improved over last year’s debacle… just how much remains to be seen, but things are looking better.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will say it again, I wanna win NOW.......

& I’m tired of dogshit football like everyone else is but they’ve improved the staff moreso than the roster in my opinion. 7-9

by HIT34MAN on Sep 7, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Hit34Man, we all want to see the Chiefs win now.

I don’t think we’ll have to wait past Monday night

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't think this roster is strong enough this year

The FA pool will be rich next year & we should make a playoff push in 2011 realistically

by HIT34MAN on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you noticed the glass is half full?

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
Twitter: @GiftNate
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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

he needs a glass of kool-aid

Eric Berry for Rookie of the Year

2010 Kansas Chiefs Record Range of 8-8 to 10-6. Yes it's possible, Chiefs just have to perform and execute

by KC Nate on Sep 7, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

7-9 is a good prediction.

hopefully, its 8-8. 2 wins in 08, 4 wins in 09, and 8 this year. after this year, we’ll be good to go.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Sep 7, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

the other teams

did not game plan either!

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction....in other words Karma is a M______F_____

by Crunk4Cheifs on Sep 8, 2010 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

only after starters were pulled.

Eric Berry for Rookie of the Year

2010 Kansas Chiefs Record Range of 8-8 to 10-6. Yes it's possible, Chiefs just have to perform and execute

by KC Nate on Sep 7, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aaron Rodgers wasn't playing either...

come on man, how you gonna temper your expectations on preseason scores?

let me guess.. you predict a 19-0 Super Bowl victory..

by bamachief5558 on Sep 7, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, Rodgers wasn't playing...

But you kind of expect good defenses to totally shut out bad offenses. And that’s what we saw. Our 1st team D completely smacked around GB’s 2nd team O.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

To the tune of 22 total yards and...3 sacks?

Any other time no-names are lookin like superstars on us. I’d say that’s improvement.

The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.

by ArrowSpread on Sep 7, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerome Harrison still makes me want to vomit every now and then.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Kolb comes to mind as well.

The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.

by ArrowSpread on Sep 7, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point...

On the bright side, we’re 1 for 1 on revenge this year. The Chargers are next, followed by shutting down the Browns’ running game.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

from Yahoo fantasy sports (Behrens)
The Colts failed to win a game this preseason, per their usual. Over the past six years, Indianapolis has an exhibition record of four wins and 22 losses. This fact should tell you pretty much everything you need to know about the importance of preseason stats, results, and analysis.

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 7, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I expect them to win the fudging Superbowl....

That doesn’t mean it’s very likely to happen.

I doubt the coaching staff is saying “Boy if we could just win 6 or 7 games I’ll be happy.”….. and if they are, they need to be fired.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 7, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
Twitter: @GiftNate
Nate Gift

by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

8-8

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 8, 2010 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

'09? :)

I’m simple, just get better every year but thats a big jump.

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 7, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Arenas

I’m wondering how long it will be before we see Javier lining up on offense. How about JC in the backfield, Dexter in one slot, Javier in the other, Bowe and Chambers wide. Team speed anyone?

by MarylandChief on Sep 7, 2010 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

And Eric Berry...he may be our 3rd string QB.

2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
Twitter: @GiftNate
Nate Gift

by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think Arenas

would be great to use for a fake punt in the same vein that the Ravens ran the other night with the direct snap. I’d love to see something like that from Haley.

" That was a cajun run! Flew Bayou!" - Dexter McCluster

by shotty on Sep 7, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly.

i think some people are missing that. our drops last were dreadful. i think with a decreased drop rate cassel will alone be better just by that.

Eric Berry for Rookie of the Year

2010 Kansas Chiefs Record Range of 8-8 to 10-6. Yes it's possible, Chiefs just have to perform and execute

by KC Nate on Sep 7, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would disagree

Cassel is going to be the limiting factor of our passing attack. And I don’t even want to say that, because he could definitely step it up this year. But when it comes to our wideouts its night and day to this time last year.

Bowe, Chambers, and McCluster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowe, Bradley, Engram

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 7, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I know there is substantial debate regarding how meaningful the preseason is, but I also think that (as much as I like the guy) Cassel has unfortunately been the rate limiting factor for the offense. He now has a huge upgrade in talent at the receiver position compared to last season, not to mention another advantage in having Charlie Wies in his camp. I hope he is able to get it together and take advantage of these things.

by kcfangrl on Sep 7, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

did chambers

catch a pass at all in the preseason?

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Sep 7, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

he had at least one really good catch I remember

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so stoked about the season!!!

I’m just ready for KC to be on the other(good) end of a highlight reel…

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry

The Team hasn’t given me much to be excited about until the “Era of the Don”

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Upgrade?

That remains to be seen. If we win 8-9 games this year then we can consider the new players as upgrades. Otherwise we’re just starting out with a cleaner slate.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Sep 7, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

2.7 vs. TJ/JC

I think there is a clear upgrade at running back. Not only is TJ going to be better than 2.7 was, we have Charles as the “co-starter” if you will. It seems like they didn’t know what they had in him at the beginning of last season, whereas this season he will play a major role from the get go.

by kcfangrl on Sep 7, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

how about OW?

2009 Offensive Weapons: N/A

2010 Offensive Weapons: McCluster

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

The Hell with the intangibles

Charlie Weis=Successful Offense by any means necessary. He wouldn’t have taken the job if the talent here was not of Top Tier Caliber (yes i know the whole matt cassel thing) Can we wait to be proven otherwise??? Sorry everyone still hungover from the PC Kool Aid

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

He wouldn't have taken the job?

Really?

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 7, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do think he has a point.

Would Weis want to come anywhere near this team if last year’s starters on the list above were the focal points of this team?

You have to admit Jamaal Charles on his own would be pretty enticing to an OC looking to get back into the NFL.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think so?

Weis had a few options of teams to select from before returning as a OC…though I do not devalue the Haley, Romeo, Piolo connection, he is a proud man who would not want his reputation tainted by an ugly stint in KC

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I think that both he and Crenell saw potential in this organization relative to their other offers or they never would have signed here because despite their recent failures as head coaches, they really do have great resume’s as coordinators.

by kcfangrl on Sep 7, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you all think Weis wants another starting HC gig?

He can make nearly as much yust doing what he does very well.
Let the HC put up with the rest of the crap :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 7, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken

Doesn’t ND still owe him a lot of money?

He’s just doing what he loves, offense, and not having the responsibilites as a HC

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 7, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

We would have been dramatically better if we hadn't added a single player

Just being in the system for a full year, not going through all the upheaval right before the start of the season with Gailey firing and having a full off season in the program. Everyone is bettter than they were at this point last year. Add the personnel differences and an easy schedule and we’re looking at 10-6

by MarylandChief on Sep 7, 2010 5:56 PM CDT reply actions  

that's an overlooked point

look back at the first few game films last season

they looked lost, confused, paralyzed by “WTF is my job again?”

this year, they seem to be on the same page, and seem to have a good chance to win games.

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do I have to revisit that film???

I’d rather use the progression from this pre-season…id rather watch grass grow

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The tandem of Jamaal Charles

and Thomas Jones will blow away any vestiges of 2.7 (Larry Johnson).

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Sep 7, 2010 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

And Battle/DMC...

The Chiefs are hands down boasting the best backfield in the NFL right now. It’s not even close.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously...

The single season rushing record for a team is the 1978 New England Patriots, with 3,165.

Suppose Charles and Jones split for 1300 yards a piece. That leaves 566 yards to hand out to Dexter and Battle to break the record.

Breaking that record wouldn’t be completely impossible. Improbable yes… but it could be done. a 1900 yard/700 yard split between Charles and Jones would likely be what’s needed… but it could happen.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good pull on the stats..

not sure if that was intended for me, but i believe leading the league in rushing tds is more probable than that of rushing yards…besides historically Weis has been known to be “self righteous” in featuring his Qbs

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point about Weis.

But at the same time… you’d have to be kind of nuts to not use this awesome back field that has formed in KC, at least until teams can prove that they can stop you. We’ll see how it goes.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 7, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

the RBs will pad the QBs stats

screen passes, and other short throws to RBs will be extensions of the running game

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at us..

Talking Big Boy Offense…The fact alone that we can even have this discussion speaks volumes…

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no doubt that the Chiefs have a very impressive backfield. Arguably one of the top in the league.

But no one else is even close? I’m not sure I’d go that far. As far as I’m concerned, DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart are the reigning holders of that title until someone else takes it from them. Honorable mention to Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and Dallas’ three headed monster of Barber, Jones, and Choice

by MtHammer on Sep 7, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would you rather have Deangelo and Stewart

Or Charles and Jones?

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 8, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good question.

Williams and Stewart are more proven – they’ve gotten it done over longer than just half a season. And I do have some concerns about how much Jones has left in the tank and how effective he can be behind our line. But it’s hard not to love Charles’ potential, and his output last season was spectacular. If I had to pick who I wanted on my team at this point, it would be:

Charles > Stewart > Williams > Jones

But for the record – I’m not saying Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones can’t be the best tandem in the league – I’m just refuting that “it’s not even close.”

by MtHammer on Sep 8, 2010 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

But throwing Dexter in there does change things. It’s definitely a group that people will be talking about by seasons end

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 8, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have to count Battle and McCluster too.

Those 4 make it hands down the best. Find a better collection of 4 RBs. It can’t be done.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 8, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you mean hands up???

As in touchdown! Is it too far fetched to beleive we will lead the league in rushing tds?? oh i remember the days…

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 6:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Way off topic

This is completely hypothetical…
….I read on twitter that coach Tomlin wont guarantee Big Bens starting job. If dixon does well do you think Pittsburg puts Rothlesberger (sp?) on the trade block?

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Sep 7, 2010 6:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

For Dixon????

Never, unless there’s a Kurt Warner esk’ theme involved…

by CHIEFFAN82 on Sep 7, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dixon

Watching him in the preseason makes me think that is improbable. He looked lost a lot of the time. I really don’t think he’s good enough, at this juncture, to unseat Rothlesberger.

by kcfangrl on Sep 7, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know which makes me happier...

Sean Ryan or LJ not seeing 2010’s starting lineup.

The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.

by ArrowSpread on Sep 7, 2010 6:31 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I'll see those two and raise you a...

Goff and a Sackintosh

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about an Amani Toomer/Ashley Lelie/Devard Darling/Mark Bradley?

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was like the "WR Gin"

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe the...

Flop?

:)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 7, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did Ryan do to be put in the same boat as LJ?

If memory serves correctly Ryan was one of the few bright spots early on last year. He’s not great, but unless I missed something, he didn’t throw us under the bus like LJ.

by Enite on Sep 7, 2010 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

There was a post a long while back that linked to a site

That rates and documents every play in the NFL. It had Sean Ryan as one of the worst players in the league. And watch that Seattle/KC clip of Cassel getting injured. Sean Ryan is the one backpeddaling 8 yards behind the LOS before our QB takes his 5 step drop.

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 8, 2010 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how you can say O'Callaghan isn't a major upgrade

over a guy (Ndukwe) who was cut from this years team because he couldn’t earn a back up spot. O’Call could certainly be better, and I don’t think he’d rank high on a list of league RTs, but our right side was so weak at the start of last year it was almost impossible to get anything going on offense. I think if you go back to the preseason “depth chart” and look at O’Call vs. Macintosh, it’s scary how much the improvement is. So I think it would be rated a major upgrade, not because of how solid we are now, but because of how weak we were then.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx

by Big Chief on Sep 7, 2010 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Also, I suspect that 2.7 this year for the Redskins

will be an upgrade over 2.7 last year. And Jones is a significant upgrade over both. Even if you want to assume that this is the year that Jones hits the “RB wall”, Jones is capable of doing two things 2.7 couldn’t do even in his prime: block and catch. Jones will never be detriment to the team on third and long like 2.7. That alone rates an upgrade in my book, and a guaranteed one at that.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx

by Big Chief on Sep 7, 2010 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

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