Chiefs vs. Chargers: Using The Jets Blueprint
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2010 1:46 PM CDT
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs will try to get off to a fast start against the San Diego Chargers on Monday Night Football next week. The Chiefs have been working on starting fast and, while that's a good goal, maybe they should slow things down to beat the Chargers.
The Chargers last game that counted came in the 2009 divisional playoffs against the New York Jets, where they lost 17-14.
The Jets blueprint for that game was to play defense and run the ball well. They did both of those and secured the victory (with an assist from three Nate Kaeding missed field goals).
The Chiefs clearly aren't the Jets when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. However, their offenses I think we could compare. Against the Chargers, the Jets threw the ball 23 times and ran is 39 times. I can easily see a similar ratio for the Chiefs against the Chargers. The Chargers have a potent offense and they say the best defense against a good offense is a solid running game so that way you can keep the ball out of the opposing offense's hands.
The Jets only had about a two and a half minute advantage in time of possession but they were also able to cause a pair of Chargers turnovers. The Chiefs defense has not demonstrated through four preseason games that they can consistently create turnovers so if the Chiefs are going to have a shot at winning I think they need to dominate the time of possession. Creating turnovers may be the biggest key for the Chiefs in this game because I think that's something they'll have to do to win.
The last thing the Chiefs want to get into with the Chargers is a shootout. If the Chiefs are going to win this game, I imagine it's going to be a pretty boring one because they're going to want to run the ball effectively.
Here's the box score from that game. See if there is anything else in there the Jets did that the Chiefs should be able to do.
So, defense + running game = victory. Sounds easy, huh?
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Have you seen our offense or defense?
Lol. I think we will have a good showing and you never know what can happen!!!
Run D is the key this year.
by cwebb44 on Sep 7, 2010 1:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wait just a second.
Are you guys absolutely sure we ARE NOT the Jets?
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Think about it for a brief moment (and be a little generous)
An up-and-coming team, previously in the dumps, with a strong running game, a ridiculously feisty secondary, a hard-nosed coach with no pro experience, in a division with a probably-faltering behemoth of a dynasty (sd’s “dynasty” being and ending with LT)?
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I was about to say
Jets gameplan:
1. Build the best defense in the league, centered around the best CB since Deion Sanders.
2. Run at Antonio Cromartie because he’s afraid to tackle.
3. Get into Vincent Jackson’s head.
Uhhh, whoops….
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
Well...
That’s 2/3 … If we could build around Flowers and Berry, we could fit that mold.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
I don’t understand how you’re going to run at Cromartie or get into VJax’s head…
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
Uhhh..
Cromartie was traded to the Jets.
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Team of misfits makes good?
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
yeah we're sure
No were not ,we are the Patriots Remember
Sanchez + defense + running game = victory
/fixed
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
What in the world has Sanchez done?
Really? I get the defense and running game. Sanchez did not help the Jets too much last year. Maybe he will get better this year. But last year he was not impressive.
Take a look at this playoff stats and reconsider that statement.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
All joking aside, you're a pretty funny guy, HIV
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
The only thing worth noting that Sanchez will do this year
is bang Mark Brunell’s daughter.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
by Sudden on Sep 7, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome!
Rec’d
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
Yeah ... jealous of Mark Brunell's daughter! MANCRUSH!
((I kid, H2E – it was just set up on a tee for me))
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Cheap?
No, but you can try Ace Sports at Oak Park Mall. They may have some tix left, but this close to the game, getting them cheap will be tough
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
Try StubHub
they may not be cheap but you can prolly score some upper level tickets for a not too bad price.
Not sure you can get them Gameday, I’m hoping it is soldout!
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
I'm not sure KC can control the time of possession
they HAVE to generate a positive turnover ratio. Ironically the running game is so explosive that it tends to generate quick scoring drives, so I don’t think running the ball well = time of possession advantage. Even in the Denver game, KC got dominated in most categories…
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300103007
Predictions:
This year will be better
Our return game will have a big factor in this game.
However, here’s my bold prediction:
it will be the play-action pass that hurts the chargers. they’ll be geared for Charles, Thomas, and McCluster, but we’ll see previously unrevealed play-action passes based off of the successful running plays the Chiefs have ran and “shown” teams this preseason. And of course, as part of that same theme, deep balls on the play-action pass.
Oh, and KC has another potential weapon that the Jets don’t have (notice potential):
a loud, energetic arrowhead crowd.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Sep 7, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Not that I'm doubting our potential,
but Arrowhead ain’t what it was.
But … oh man … if we win … you’ll be able to hear the Arrowhead Chant from Blue Springs all the way to Olathe, and the roar of our crowd from Belton all the way to St. Joe!
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I know it. that's why I called it a potential weapon.
Still, I expect arrowhead to sell out for MNF. And at the beginning the electricity will be there. and as long as the chiefs will be in the game, too.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Sep 7, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Green Bay and Phili games may help.
Though it’s pre-season, the fans want to see the team win. Regardless.
If I could I would be there at Arrowhead (I live in L.A.)… So, Chiefs fans SHOULD be there to support our boys. Because sometimes it take winning in Week 1 to make a push. Sometimes confidence is everything. Hopefully we could handle business against SD and become that suprise team that so many have penned us down to be.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
It already is sold out.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Not trolling...
Just wanted to point out that the Chargers pass defense gave up the 3rd least number of “big plays” (20+ yards) through the air last season (34).
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
Just wanted to point out
That they lost Cromartie.
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
And cut Vasher...
Cason and Jammer is who they’re gonna roll with. They have a BIG challenge coming up to them with D.Bowe, the 84 Chambers, and DMC!
Hopefully Moeaki and Pope can make themselves targets in 1 on1 situations.
I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin.
I actually don’t think that was a downgrade. He hasn’t been very good since 2007.
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
well then we will take 33 on Monday Night
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
They also were tied for 28th worst rush yards per attempt
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
You think Charles is salavating for this matchup?
If you got him on your fantasy football team, START HIM!
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
I do have Charles on my team.
I also went crazy and got mccluster in the last round.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Sep 7, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Casshole can't throw 20 yards
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
We don't make big plays through the air.
unless screens and draws count…
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
they also didn't have to cheat in because of a rushing attack as dangerous as KC's this year.
but alas, that is why my prediction is bold. Everyone will be expecting KC to come out and run all over SD’s D. But I’m expecting KC to come out aggressive and take advantage of that.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Sep 7, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and if...
Arenas scores a TD on the first kickoff… you better believe it’s going to get loud quickly.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I thought you were talking about McCluster.
Justin is right though. Arrowhead ain’t what it used to be.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 7, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Limit Sproles return yards in KR and PR like Jets did
and we need a few of 36 yd runs by Arenas like the one Brad Smith had.
I think our defense is being vastly under valued here....
Yeah the Chargers have(had) a potent offense…they no longer have one of the best RB’s in the NFL at catching and running, they will be without top WR Vincent Jackson….come on!
We have Eric freaking Berry!! Need I say more? No…well I am anyways. We have Flowers with another offseason of development. We have Dorsey and Jackson who are coming in to their own.(slowly but surely)….. We have one of the more productive LB in Derrick Johnson.
Don’t look at the preseason to make your assesments. Romeo Crennel is not gonna unleash his good stuff during exibitions.
Our defense is something to be proud of. Yeah we lack a little depth here and there but who doesn’t. Our starting defensive 11 could rival a lot of good teams as far as talent.
The Chargers are going down baby!!! They are going down HARD!!!! @ Arrowhead!!!
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Sep 7, 2010 2:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I sense hyperbole in your post, but I'll say it anyway...
Ryan Matthews >>> LT (2009 version)
I’m actually afraid that the boost to their running game will be KC’s downfall in this game. It’s going to make it hard to blitz at will if SD is racking up a lot of 3rd & 2 situations.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Only a tiny bit :)
But it stems from my enthusiasm!! I am drunk on Chiefs Kool-Aid….so don’t be a buzz kill. Ryan Matthews has never taken a Berry Express to the gut…Welcome to the NFL Ryan!! Lol
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Sep 7, 2010 2:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you seen how well LT is running behind the OLine in NY?
Something tells me that SD’s run game has more to do with Oline blocking than the guy moving around behind the big uglies.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
LT
LT had one long run in the preseason that boosted his stats. He’ll do alright, but I watched every game he’s played in his entire career. The guy is NOT what he used to be. Not even close. Maybe he was injured last year, but he was simply horrible. HORRIBLE. I almost forgot a Chargers RB was even allowed to get the edge until seeing Mathews make it repeatedly this off season.
On our team...yes
He is starting now….he is very productive when playing. FF, INT….he makes plays.
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Sep 7, 2010 10:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sound running game does not = wins. This has been shown OVER AND OVER again. Wins are a product of a successful passing game, which then leads to more rushing opportunities later in the game.
Establishing the run first is a mistake. I’ll get the references from recent ESPN articles, but yeah, our QB and WR core are our main issues with being able to win.
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/100824_tuesday_morning_quarterback&sportCat=nfl
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
I don't know why the link isn't working, but copy/paste it to get the whole article (including the stuff that's not in the hyperlink).
God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.
I can see that
Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady…..best quarterbacks usually equal SB rings. A fluke?? Maybe not.
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
by Matt_Grbac on Sep 7, 2010 2:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe they can both contribute to wins
Passes can set up runs, runs can set up passes, they use each other to keep opposing defenses honest and on their heels. I agree that we need to establish a consistent passing game before we can set up the run with it, but if running the ball is what our offense does best, then it will naturally bring safeties and LBs closer to the line of scrimmage, giving up passing opportunities. Weis/Cassel just have to capitalize on those opportunities, which I think can be done with good play calling, accurate throws, and receivers CATCHING the ball. A team doesn’t necessarily have to sling it all over the field to win games, but Cassel has shown he can do it if necessary, but has yet to do it post-2008. Cassel’s 2008 numbers are good enough for plenty of wins, especially with our run game.
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
by FalconMF27 on Sep 7, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would slightly disagree.
when coupled with a dominant defense, a strong, sound running game does equal wins. But without the dominant defense, I’ll concede your point.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Sep 7, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
What?????!!!!????
So, Marty didn’t win any games? He hated throwing the ball! Get real, first two things to winning the majority of your games, run the ball and effectively control the other team’s running game.
That is positively the dumbest thing I've ever read on AP...
and that’s even after someone said DJ’s diet is what’s holding him back from a break out season. Establishing the run is what wins games. Why? Because it enables you to control the clock. The last thing you want to do is keep handing the ball back to the other teams offense, unless you’re scoring of course. I’ll point out one great QB that never won the big one until he had a running game…John Elway. NEVER, EVER underestimate the power of being able to run the ball down peoples throats.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 7, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I fully expect to do fine running the ball, and holding SD to under 21 points or so....
In my opinion, the key to winning the game, will be do do some things that we havn’t been doing well.
First, we have to win the turnover battle. We can’t turn the ball over 3 times again and expect to win against a team like the bolts. If we can come up with a couple of turnovers and not turn it over ourselves….we have a pretty good shot.
But that’s if the second thing we havn’t been doing well we can begin to execute with some consistently, and that is, giving Matt a consistent solid 4 count to plant and release the ball down the field with some degree of accuracy. By down the field, I mean completing some passes of 20 yards or more.
If we can do these two things, and continue to execute the short passing game, the running game, and continue on ST to win the field position battle…..we can win this football game.
A lot has to go right, but we’ve been improving every week.
Let’s go boys, win one for TheK-Man.
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."
~ last words of Francisco ("Pancho") Villa ~
Need to start Different QB
I’m sorry but still have yet to be sold on Cassel,We need to start a different QB and being that now we just have two I guess that would be Croyle,He has looked way better in Pre-Season than Cassel,and he is not a Pocket QB,like Cassel so he can scramble if need be.Trust me KC will be no better with Cassel at the helm,than last season.Maybe think about getting a third string QB since we passed on Leinart.
i may be wrong
but didnt cassel have somethin like 400 yards rushing that year in NE?
I think Croyle is better than Cassel too
but he is absolutely every bit a pocket QB. Not quite Drew Bledsoe-like but not far off.
by bamachief5558 on Sep 7, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Croyle is WAY more of a pocket passer than Cassel.
He stands in the pocket until the very last second to release the ball. That’s a big reason why he is always getting hurt.
I like Croyle but, I’m not ready to throw in the towel on Cassel just yet…yet. Im tired of seeing Cassel running around in the pocket instead of sidestepping the pressure or just stepping up to plant his feet. It drives me fucking crazy! His protection has been pretty good and he still acts like there is constant pressure even when there isn’t.
If Cassel can get better control of his mental aspect of the game, he will do fine. If he doesn’t, I too will be calling for Croyle after a couple or three weeks.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 7, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be, but this is one of those "In Pioli We Trust" matters.
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."
~ last words of Francisco ("Pancho") Villa ~
We don't need 50 yrd bombs from Cassel
WIth arena’s giving good field position at the 40 we don’t need cassel to throw 40 yrds. Run the ball, and open up some passing. I think Cassel is a better qb than sanchez was last year. We don’t need cassel to win it all, though he showed he is able to. We need to stop the big plays, and I think romeo and berry will be able to improve that greatly.
Get ready boys
Monday night we’re gonna show the nation who the team to beat in the afc west is.. I got my boys in jersey excited about KC after these past few years. I’m pumped up let’s go baby!
by Berrygood10 on Sep 7, 2010 3:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Tamba Hali...
is going to have a big game. If there is no Marcus McNeill then Tamba has 3 sacks and a forced fumble.
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Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
The only way that Tamba gets 3 sacks...
is if the refs start calling holding each time Tamba gets held. Once he has the fair fight for the sack he will start getting them.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Well if that's the case..
then Tamba will have 6 sacks lol.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
old school football
we need to come out hitting them in the mouth like back in the 90s no question asked punch to the nuts football … that will wake up people real fast and then they will realize KC is taking no prisioners
Flowers, Carr, Lewis, & Berry = SCARY SECONDARY
NEW ARROWHEAD = BETTER TEAM ... CHIEFS 2011 AFC WEST CHAMPS
RELEASE THE McCLUSTER BOMB!!
Seems like under Norv, SD has typically starts the season off in 1st gear, too...
Hell, the Raiders damn near beat them Week 1 last year.
Don't forget special teams, while you can't count on it, with talent like Arenas and McCluster it could be the...
dun dun dun…
X-Factor
2 X-FACTORS ON OFFENSE
JC & DEX man the Charger’s have nothing 4 that…and then the POWER HORSE Thomas Jones, Chambers & Bowe on the Outside.. POPE & MOEAKI, Cassel N the Gun.. then Jackie Battle will Finally get his carries…Run Game is on Fire… and where Decent N WR FB TIM Castille is a Beast..the Offense is Legit…and our D will be alright 2 bring on the Charger’s…
Looking at the box score...
It looks like the Jets pounded the ball…pounded the ball…pounded the ball until finally they wore down the defense and were able to find some holes in the 4th qtr.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 7, 2010 6:51 PM CDT reply actions
unfortunately
Kaeding is usually pretty darn good in regular season – we won’t get three muffed FG attempts
Chiefs WILL!
Yup. I remember the game and that is exactly what happened.
Pounded SD with the run until their defense submitted and literally gave up. They couldn’t stop it anymore. That’s how we have to play them as well. BTW: I think our run game is far better than the Jets was last year. JC and TJ>>>>> Shonn Greene and TJ.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 7, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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