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Chiefs Will be Better in 2010: Part 3 - The Reality Check

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Last week, I focused heavily on how the Chiefs have gotten visibly better in 2010. Now that I've given you a week to celebrate and rejoice, allow me to give a little bit of a gut check. The Chiefs have improved in many ways, but there are still a number of big pieces that will likely keep them from becoming a .500 team.

More after the jump.

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Quarterback Play:

This is not going to be an unpopular opinion, but the more I watch Matt Cassel, the more I worry that he just isn't the answer. The excuses just aren't there anymore. His receivers are playing better, he has better talent at the slot, he's getting adequate pass protection, he has a good running game to protect him, and he has an offensive coordinator who knows how to call plays and coach up Quarterbacks. The fact that Cassel still hasn't shown visible improvement is concerning.

Maybe Cassel's lackluster play in the preseason is the result of Weis not fully showing his hand. There's a few reasons why I don't believe this is necessarily true. You see, even though Cassel operated in a vanilla offense this preseason, you'd still want to see improvements in a number of areas. For me, I wanted to see him better understand his pocket, throw downfield with better accuracy, and get rid of the ball faster. He didn't do many of those things.

First, he holds on to the ball way too long and he's become visibly antsy when he's not satisfied with what he has. He's become Captain Pump-fake. He seems antsy and nervous out there, and that's not something you want to see out of your field leader. To top things off, he stares down his receivers. He still does not do a good job of seeing the field. On numerous plays this preseason, you'd see an open receiver who didn't get a sniff because he wasn't Cassel's primary read. The result is that the pass protection is asked to do superhuman things. They're asked to pass protect for eternity for a Quarterback who doesn't really know how to escape pressure. When I watch Tom Brady, the guy glides in the pocket. He smells pressure and he'll find a soft spot in the pocket where he can buy a little more time. Cassel's reaction to the pass rush is to either bootleg to the outside or else tuck the ball in and run up the middle. He needs to learn just a few more ways to avoid the pressure than that.

Finally, his downfield accuracy. While Charlie Weis didn't give him a lot of chances to prove his worth, when he was given opportunities he's been off the mark. Cassel's completions have been largely low-risk short screen passes, which is fine given that Weis' offense is dink-and-dunk. But Weis' offense also requires lightning quick recognition when you're not throwing screens and the ability to use the deep pass not as a weapon but as a way of keeping defenses honest. Time is running out for Cassel and if preseason is any indication, sad to say, but he's going to hold an improving team back.

Interior Defense

The biggest surprise this preseason was how well our defense played. Granted, we have to take it with a grain of salt. We didn't exactly play premiere offenses and we didn't always get much face time against #1 starters. Against Tampa and Green Bay, it's hard to get over-excited about improvements when they were squaring up mostly against backup QBs. Still, we saw some really encouraging things. The Defensive Line isn't getting much push but they're playing with consistency, our Safety play is already limiting a lot of big plays from developing simply by sniffing out plays before they bust too far loose, and our LBs are playing with a lot more discipline.

The big play annihilated the Chiefs last season and it was largely because of stupid mistakes and missed assignments. Under Romeo's watch, I've been very impressed with the Chiefs' defensive discipline so far. But there's only so many ways that you can dress up average talent. Ron Edwards continues to be ineffective at... well, almost everything. He's not getting a push, he's not drawing a lot of extra blockers, he's just sort of there. While Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey have improved, they're not driving their blockers; instead, they're absorbing them. That's okay, but you'd hope they can do both at some point. And maybe we should be encouraged by our ILB play, with Demorrio Williams and DJ both having an outstanding preseason, but they still do worry me. I also worry that our ILBs are undersized for a 3-4.

In other words, I see this run defense getting nickeled and dimed quite a bit. 5-yard gain upon 5-yard gain upon 5-yard gain. At least we're eliminating the big 20+ yard sprint to the end zone, but we're probably not near the kind of run defense you'd want and expect from a .500 team. Not just yet.

Quality Depth:

They're getting better, but for the most part, when starters go down, we're going to be starting backups who probably wouldn't be good enough to make most rosters. Their offensive line depth is extremely concerning, their backup QB is a guy who can't stay healthy, the Secondary takes an enormous hit if any of our starters go down, and while our Defensive Line has a lot of specialty depth (Wallace Gilberry is very effective in passing situations), they don't have anybody really that can play 2-gap really well.

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Re: Reality check

GenericBrand, I’m not asking Cassel to win preseason games or to put up 200 yards in 2 quarters. I’m talking about seeing visible signs that he’s improving upon some things he was really bad at to close last season.

I had the same standard for the Defensive Line this preseason. What I saw was more discipline, making smarter reads on gap assignments, etc…. They weren’t great in the trenches by any stretch, but I’m encouraged to see they’re starting to play smarter.

Because I’m judging based on fundamentals and not based on statistics or wins/losses, I think I can absolutely make judgments based on preseason play.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its not a consistent argument.

If you’re going to say “The biggest surprise this preseason was how well our defense played. Granted, we have to take it with a grain of salt.” then you have to say the same thing about Cassel and you aren’t, you’re using absolutes with Cassel. There’s not “taking it with a grain of salt” in your Cassel argument whatsoever.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 7, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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GenericBrand, the defensive line might be outmatched physically in a lot of regular season games. But their improvements in gap control, diagnosing the play, and limiting mistakes likely won’t change. They improved in areas this preseason that will likely lead to improvements in the regular season as well.

Cassel, on the other hand, struggled yet again to operate out of a clean pocket. He struggled again to throw downfield. He once again too often took too long to get rid of the ball. These are mistakes from last year that are carrying over from last year. Whereas our defense showed clear improvement in some areas where they lacked last season, Cassel has not.

So we’re talking about a unit that showed improvement in areas they were lack last year vs. a QB who showed none. That’s not saying Cassel won’t improve. But when you go through a full season and a full preseason and make the same mistakes time and time again, it raises some big red flags.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

With the Defense its a unit you can’t be sure because offenses didn’t throw much at us in the preseason they looked good but how good will they look when teams REALLY game plan for us. Cassel is a different story there isn’t that well it was vanilla backing because he didn’t even look good doing the vanilla. Do you get what we’re saying its not an arguement about the offense and the defense which is where the “gotta go both ways” would come into play its about the defense “a unit” and Cassel “one player”

by Tmac1166 on Sep 7, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

what clean pocket?

I guess I’m blind cause our Qb is still facing pressure, and not having time to make reads, pumping the ball, short passing game is the rewsult

by dubld on Sep 7, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He doesn’t get the kind of clean pocket you see in Indy or in New Orleans. But his pass protection hasn’t been that bad this offseason. On a lot of plays, I saw him fumble or take a sack because he didn’t step up in the pocket. In 2 years, I can’t remember a lot of instances where he slid in the pocket—it seems like his only reaction is to tuck the ball and run or bootleg out.

That’s one of those things that Peyton, Brady, etc… do so effortlessly that you don’t realize how important it is or how difficult it actually is to do. I would like to see more of Cassel moving within the pocket instead of constantly doing everything he can to escape it when he can’t get rid of the ball after his dropback.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

He makes the protection look worse than it is

He doesn’t use the protection the way he is supposed too. Hopefully Charlie can coach him up before Monday.

by bonesjackson on Sep 7, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

What he said....

I am with generic on this. You can’t have it both ways. I do not give credit or take anything for granted with Pre-season. What I did see was that basic skills were improved across the board. I think the coaching staff was emphasizing basic skills such as tackling, blocking and adjusting to adversity. The one thing that stood out for me was how the Chiefs Defense adjusted play when something did not work.
As far as the Offense goes….I am holding judgement till I see a REAL game. The running game of the Chiefs can be the best in the NFL and if that happens it opens up the passing game. We will see next Monday and we as fans can hope for the best.

by popparuss581 on Sep 7, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apparently

You guys aren’t quite understanding. Its not having it both ways the only way that would be a real argument is if it was about the A. Defense and B. Offense but it is not. It is about A. the defense and B. Matt Cassel. As a unit the defense may not have been tested much saying this i also agree that they looked very good especially in terms of last year to this. Cassel is ONE PLAYER who can be evaluated differently than an ENTIRE UNIT. Cassel didn’t do the vanilla things well i’m not ready to dump him yet but i’m just not seeing it and i hope he proves me wrong. Saying you can’t judge Cassel because u say its just preseason for the defense doesn’t make any sense its two completely different templates. Thats like saying Corey Mays looked below average but its just preseason lets just wait and see. NO COREY MAYS WAS AWEFUL the difference is its easy to say about him because it doesn’t really hurt us if he’s bad Cassel on the other hand does. Its pretty obvious especially when Croyle comes in and the offense just looks better it has a rythem to it. I’m not saying start Croyle because he’s like a China doll if only he could stay healthy GAH!

by Tmac1166 on Sep 7, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

What I'd like to see

Is Cassel with an entire regular season spent under Charlie Weis. (Figuratively, not literally. The guy would just come out flattened in the latter scenario).

16 games with real time adjusting and guidance by one of the best QB handlers in football can probably tell us if he’s going to take the next step as our QB or not.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Sep 7, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

and like i said i hope he proves me wrong because if he does i think we arebecoming a pretty darn good team if we pick up maybe a free agent lineman and draft one next year could be good things along with a real force at the nose man the possibilities! lol Also an addition we really need a solid #2 corner in my opinion brandon car just isn’t the answer.

by Tmac1166 on Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen...

The excuses just aren’t there anymore. His receivers are playing better, he has better talent at the slot, he’s getting adequate pass protection, he has a good running game to protect him, and he has an offensive coordinator who knows how to call plays and coach up Quarterbacks. The fact that Cassel still hasn’t shown visible improvement is concerning.

Preach on, brother, preach on!!!!

by Stone Throwers on Sep 7, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I just don't see how the preseason is the best time to judge your starters.

The preseason is for rookies and for other players to try and make the team. Was his play fantastic? Not by any means, but I would like to see a couple of weeks of regular season play. You know those games right? The ones that matter and count towards your stats. If he is still jacked up during that time, then feel free to have your doubts. Cuz hell judging by the preseason lets start Jackie Battle.

by zyker on Sep 7, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

We havent even played a meaningful game and every is already hating on Cassel

this is getting old. Hes a season and a preseason into his Chiefs career. Talk to me in week 8 and then we can decide if has improved.. Hell talk to me in week 3-4.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 7, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

That is exactly right. We will soon

know, one way or the other. I am betting with a run heavy offense, Cassel will be more than adequate for the task during the first part of the season. As the offense gains confidence, Cassel will become much more of a positive factor.

The defense is loaded with first round picks and talented players. Sooner or later these guys are going to be good. A piece may still need to be added here or there, but it is just a matter of time before this defense becomes a dominant force in the AFC West. Instead of taking a “the sky is falling” nervous tizzy approach, I prefer the “watch as this defense develops and grows” approach.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Sep 7, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO...

If the run game can produce like we all hope it can, and Matty Boy can manage the game properly while make a few decent reads and passes, then I along with most others in here will be happy with him. Let us not get too wrapped around wanting to see a Manning / Bradyesque QB out of Cassel, he is not or ever will be that caliber.

Dear Matt,
All we ask is that you can manage our team and show up when needed. You do not need to be Tom Brady. Be yourself and do the best you can.

Respectfully and Hoping,
Cheifs Fans and Arrowhead Pride

by Chiefs Fanatic on Sep 7, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Re: hating on Cassel

Not hating on Cassel. I’m rooting for him to improve.

But he’s a veteran with 2 full pro seasons under his belt. It shouldn’t take him 2 and a half seasons to figure out pocket awareness and downfield throwing accuracy. And you would expect him to make improvements at reading defenses and getting rid of the ball faster. I wanted to see at least some improvement in those areas this preseason, but I just didn’t see it.

It’s come to the point where we can’t settle for Cassel being a “good enough” QB. This team needs a franchise QB. And let’s face it, based on his track record, he has an awful lot to prove. I’m rooting for him to do that, but he has to improve a lot.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel

Cassel with our running game can just be average and look fine. We don’t need Cassel to be the next HoF QB to succeed, although it’d be nice and if he was we’d be a passing team. He just has to be at least average and throw some balls nicely. He has improved in my eyes and has adjusted to having a good run game, Cassel is doing fine, stop being so harsh. He’s only had 1 year with Kansas City, time in new england isn’t of real importance to us with a whole new system, and another whole new system again this year.

Eric Berry for Rookie of the Year

2010 Kansas Chiefs Record Range of 8-8 to 10-6. Yes it's possible, Chiefs just have to perform and execute

by KC Nate on Sep 7, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate it when that happens... Where's my edit button so I can make the line go away?

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Sep 7, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

awesome

bq.are already convinced that he ISN’T the answer

rec’d over and over again TC!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

blockquote fail on my part!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for your points. I am most certainly rooting for Cassel and hope he will develop into the guy. But I need to see some very visible improvements. He’s not only had 2 pro seasons, he’s also had a lot of time to develop on the bench in New England under good coaching. It didn’t take Aaron Rodgers or Philip Rivers long to develop in those same situations. And I hope you don’t see this is backup syndrome, because I definitely agree with that. A lot of fans just have players they love to hate. Tyson Jackson is another. Some people are so convinced they don’t like him that they don’t recognize he looked a lot better this preseason.

As fans, I think it’s important to be even-keeled. Getting too optimistic sets up disappointment when things don’t turn out well. Getting too pessimistic makes you ignore where people have improved. And I also do believe, to some extent, that fans have to send clear messages to the front office if things don’t go well. Because the only outcome that will make everyone happy is a Super Bowl. And if Cassel is anything short of a guy who can lead the team to the Super Bowl, then I do think it’s important for the front office to know. But I do agree that that decision has to be made with a little more patience than our fans often show.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This comment reeks...

Of wisdom and tempered thinking.

I do believe I like it.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Sep 7, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

To heck with it...

you can have it both ways. It’s your post. Besides, how long does it take to learn how to throw a swing pass and lead the reciever? Still, he’s the best qb we have, and I support him, maybe.

by 12t on Sep 7, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd TC

well said and I agree

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

by oldchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point on this quote:

“Why are Chiefs fans so quick to lambaste every guy that steps on the field to play QB? People hated TrINT Green, Elvis Grbac, Rich Gannon, Steve DeBerg, hell… I’ve even saw a couple Joe Montana is ‘washed up’ comments here and there.”
I’m an old guy here. I was in high school back in ‘69-’72 and I can remember Len Dawson getting ripped a lot by the people I knew, for various reasons. More than a few wanted Mike Livingston to take over. Everybody seems to remember Lenny as the greatest, but he had his share of detractors back in the day.

by paulkcc on Sep 7, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Troy Aikman is younger than Matt?

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jon

I still don’t understand why you think we need a “franchise” QB (whatever that means) – actually, maybe the vagueness of that term is adding to the confusion.

When I think “franchise QB”, I think of guys who can take the reins and single-handedly win the close game through physical or mental talent (or a combination of both). Guys like Elway, Montana, Peyton Manning, etc.

There is another category of QB’s who have led their teams to great success without having those rare skillsets of the guys mentioned above. Their success stems from knowing their teammates and opponents and executing the offense properly. Guys like Troy Aikman, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, etc.

The guys in the second group all exhibited strong leadership abilities and that is still something I’m waiting to see from Cassel (I was discouraged by the article a few weeks ago about Cassel not getting mad at mistakes, but hopefully that can change). BUT, I have no doubt that if we are a running/play-action offense with a good defense, we can have success in the post-season without having a Montana or Elway. Would it be nice to have a guy that would fit on the first list? yep, but it’s not a necessity for Super Bowl victories.

The difference between the first and second group is that the QB’s in the first group can win games EVEN when multiple components of the team break down in a given game. Stop the Giants’ running game, or put up a lot of points on their defense, and Eli will have a tough time winning

I don’t think Cassel will ever be in group one, but I think there is a good chance he could be in group two.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Re:

To me, the Quarterback position is far too importnat to settle for just “good enough.” To get to the next level w/an average QB, you better have an outrageously good supporting cast. And I think lumping Brady and Aikman into group 2 is a bit of a disservice to them both, especially Brady. These guys are ultra-smart and were deadeye accurate passers. I think the more appropriate comparison is Eli or Dilfer, but I don’t want to build our franchise against that sort of a guessing game. Great QB play is still, to me, one of the most important predictors of a Super Bowl calibre team.

What concerns me is that even as the pass protection got better and the run game improved last year, you still didn’t see any noticeable strides by Cassel. You don’t necessarily need a HOF Quarterback. What the Chiefs need is a guy who can make his teammates better (offensive line by getting rid of the ball quickly and having pocket awareness, receivers by being accurate and always hitting your spots).

I’m not asking necessarily for a franchise QB. What I want is a QB who can at least break the top 10 or 15. At least. And Cassel has a long way before he belongs in that category and if he doesn’t get there by season’s end, it will be time to move on. At Quarterback, “good enough” is almost never good enough.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Cassel 2008 rankings

Yards 8th
Yds/Game 10th
Comp % 11th
TDs 10th
QB rating 10th
I would say Cassel has what it takes to be a top 10-15 QB in the league, he just needs some help(just like all QBs do) to get there. Or more importantly he just needs the guys around him to stop working against him

by badassz1987 on Sep 7, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

2008

He played with team mates that comprised the best offense in the history of the NFL and had one of the easiest schedules in the history of the NFL and still wasn’t very good. You can’t claim he is good based on 2008 and yet claim he needs more time in 2009 (as only starting 2 years)….Talking about having it both ways..

by bonesjackson on Sep 7, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many quarterback are successful

they’re first season with a new team? How about a new team with no QB coach, no OC, and a brand new head coach. How about a new team with a new scheme, no wide receivers (pre chambers), no run game (pre charles), no offensive line, and no defense to keep in winnable situations.

So in 2008 you see a guys potential then in 2009 you get a reality check of how having nothing and everything else new can be hard to overcome. It drives me crazy when people say that Cassels support in 08 made him great but then try to say it was all him that made him suck in 09. THATS having it both ways.

So which is it? Cassel was awesome in new england because of himself and fell off in KC because of himself? Or might we take a look at the supporting cast around him before hanging him out to dry.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Sep 8, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No noticeable strides?

After the pass protection improved we won more games, and had more games where Cassel put us into a position to win (even with the outrageous number of dropped passes) only to see our defense give up the lead.

I agree that Aikman and Brady were smart, accurate QB’s…but put them in Indy in 1998/1999 and I doubt they turn the Colts’ FRANCHISE around in their second season. THAT is what I consider to be a franchise QB (maybe that definition is too narrow or lofty). Manning IS the Colts…Elway WAS the Donkeys. Does that make any sense? ;)

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 1:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good points about Cassel

However, i will take his 65% completion percentage, which is a big improvement over last year.

I’ll wait until midway through the season to make a judgement. As you pointed out with the defense, it’s preseason, and tough to know exactly what to think.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I Am On Record For 10-6 For the Chiefs

I predicted 6 wins last year so I might be two wins long again, but their schedule is fairly weak.

by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 7, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't see it happening

I’d love 10-6, but just don’t see it yet. We will split in the division (3-3), go 3-1 vs the NFC West, split with Buffalo and Cleveland and go 1-3 against the AFC South. That’s 8-8, and I would consider that a successful season considering where we were two years ago.

Chiefs Fan in St. Louis

by SilexChief on Sep 7, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be exctatic with that season. I'd also love the 3-1 vs the NFC West but I'm not sure...

I agree with the splits within the division (It almost seems like we split every god damned year).

Here’s my list of winnable games that are outside of the AFC West:
Cleveland
San Fran
Jacksonville
Buffalo
Arizona
Seattle
St. Louis

I don’t think we win all of those though… i’m feeling about 4-3. Which would leave us at 7 wins and 9 losses for the season. I wouldn’t hate that as long as most of these games listed are close.

God typed "iddqd" before creating Jason Heyward.

by EyePod on Sep 7, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knowing the craziness in the NFL

I’d say it is almost as likely that we beat the Colts as it is that we lose to the Rams.

How many seasons do we win at least one we “shouldn’t win” and lose one we “should win”?

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe...

if DJ improves his diet?

What's the difference between jelly and jam?

by WestonK on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Captains ...

Have they been named yet? And do we know if the Chiefs will be wearing the “C” patch on their jersey this year? Just wondering if we are going to be like the Patriots and not use the patch, which I personally really like on the jerseys. If anybody knows anything on this, appreciate the info.

Chiefs Fan in St. Louis

by SilexChief on Sep 7, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Re: Undersized

You can be undersized in a 3-4, but you better be able to play big. 3-4 ILBs tend to be bigger because you’re engaging a lot more with blockers and tend to be much more active in the run game. DJ has the size, but we have to see from him that he can play big… consistently. Demorrio and Jovan Belcher are both a lot smaller than traditional ILBs. That’s not saying they can’t do it. But it goes to the obvious point that they have more of an uphill climb.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tell you what though.

After watching the VT and Boise State game last night i REALLY want Kellen Moore, the QB from Boise. That kid is a natural leader and leads with emotion and flat out amazing game. It is always weird for me to watch a lefty throw a football, but damn he does it the best that I have seen.

You guys should really watch him this year. He is going to be really good, and I want that kid on our team

by readANDgold58 on Sep 7, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Re: Kellen Moore

I try not to get too involved with scouting college players, but sometimes the answers can be a little more obvious. I think the kid’s a gritty kid with his head screwed on straight, but I’d be shocked if he’s viewed as a college QB. Plays a lot of snaps out of the shotgun and throws a very weak ball by NFL standards. Maybe I’m wrong on those points, but that’s what I remember seeing from last night.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow

I swear english is my first language

by readANDgold58 on Sep 7, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

His touchdown to interception ratio is unbelievable.

by idahochieffan on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is what I am saying.

The kid is just a winner, leads his team VERY well, and I didnt think that he had a poor passing arm. It looked to me that the kid the incredibly accurate, and has good touch when he needs to.

Also Kirk Herbie said that the kid is just ICE under the 2 minute offence, whcich showed last night, and said he was the best QB in the red zone that he has seen.

I’ll take that any day

by readANDgold58 on Sep 7, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

His arm strength was horrible.

I admit he has good touch.

Run D is the key this year.

by cwebb44 on Sep 7, 2010 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone else notice Albert Haynesworth

Is on the trading block? Seeing the redskins openly admit they’re sick of him. Gets me thinking what our front 7 would look like with that dude in there somewhere. I don’t care what scheme we are or what he plays etc. It’s fun to think about, as we’ve already seen our defensive starters shut some people down. Insert Albert, and what would we look like then? It’s ok to speculate I hope!!!

by KCLonghorn on Sep 7, 2010 9:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Not even "the right 83"

Among other things, he bitched and whined about the Redskins going to the 3-4. Just before he collected his huge reporting bonus, and then couldn’t pass a simple conditioning test.

by Tarkus on Sep 7, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh totally

Can we pick up Pacman Jones, T.O. and Plaxico Burress while we're at it?

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Sep 7, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure! Sounds Great!

Eric Berry for Rookie of the Year

2010 Kansas Chiefs Record Range of 8-8 to 10-6. Yes it's possible, Chiefs just have to perform and execute

by KC Nate on Sep 7, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fat Albert

Doesn’t he hate the 3 -4 Defensive System? Isn’t that why he is being a jackass? Besides just being lazy and fat…

by ChiefsatWar on Sep 7, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, that's not why

He’s just a Jackass.
There is no reason for it, or justification.
He’s just a jackass.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Sep 7, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks & rec'd!

I don’t want him or his big, fat contract.

by Chief_Elmo on Sep 7, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

He intentionally stomped on an opponent's bare head

he shouldn’t be playing in the NFL…period.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 7, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's all about Character

That just happens to be one area where Albert Haynesworth consistently comes up short. I would NEVER want him to wear a Chiefs uniform until he changes his attitude and work ethic.

by Mac's Son on Sep 7, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't disagree

I think Piolli/Haley/Crennel could slap some sense into guys that they want. I’m just coming from a talent acquisition standpoint. We’ve all seen guys be idiots at one place, and upstanding citizens at others. It’s a fun thought in my opinion to acquire legit dline talent that’s all.

by KCLonghorn on Sep 7, 2010 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing that...

… if Rat Face can’t slap sense into a player.. that Haley can.
Albert, throughout his career, has always taken plays off.
He’s always been a guy that tries when he wants to, and doesn’t put much effort at all into off season work or practice time. It was a complaint of his coaches long before the Redskins.

We’re talking about a guy that has a history of playing 100% on only about 30% of the snaps. Think about how good the guy could actually be if he gave it everything he has on every snap that he’s in the game instead of doing just enough to get by.

His work ethic and his ’I’m more important than the team’ attitude are a poison pill that his team must swallow in exchange for his big play ability. Albert has been a locker room nightmare throughout his career. He’s not the kind of player man that any coach wants setting the example for the rest of the team.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Sep 7, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll back up everything TX says here

Living in Nashville, I’ve seen more than I’d like of Haynesworth mailing it in.

Seriously, I would never want this guy on the Chiefs.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Sep 7, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding Cassel

I’m also concerned by his preseason performance, but probably not quite as concerned as Jon. I just think it’s too small of a sample size, along with too many variable to adequately judge him. We will know by the end of this season whether Cassel has the ability to consistently guide this team to a winning record. My hopes are mostly based on the fact that I think he played better in the 2nd half of last season than he has in this preseason, and logically think he’ll improve on that. I’ll be disappointed with anything less than a 2:1 TD:INT ratio & a QB rating of 85. If he can accomplish that I expect this to be a winning team, considering the schedule.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 7, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Jon...another thoughtful post, much appreciated.

And I, for one, don’t disagree with your findings. I’m also concerned that Cassel’s technical issues (checking down too quickly, staring down receivers, erratic bootlegs) will stall our offense. However, I don’t think these are un-fixable or necessarily permanent.

We’ve got to keep Cassel in the proper frame of mind: A QB who’s still developing. I know all of the Cassel apologists (and by that I mean irrational, diehard pro-Cassel folk on this site) fall back on that argument CONSTANTLY…but I think there’s a grain of truth to it.

Remember, Tom Brady didn’t shed his label of “game manager” for about three seasons…that’s when Weis (and Hoodie Bill) took the handcuffs off. Brady also was a college backup who needed to be coached up to where he is now. That took (minimum) three years? In one system?

I’m disappointed that so much of the AP universe is ready to give up on our quarterback. a player who essentially is going into his “third year” of live NFL action. Being irritated with his performance is one thing, but to completely throw the baby out w/ the bath water is another.

Again, good post (and sorry for being long-winded…I think I’m replying to more people than just you here).

"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"

-Marty Schottenheimer

by go_saleaumua on Sep 7, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

On Depth I Was Surprised

That we picked up only one player in the waiver wars, I figured 3-4 new faces particularly in QB, linemen positions. Was it a bad year for talent? Did not seem so for most other teams who were more active than we appeared to be.

by Kscelt on Sep 7, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

EXCELLENT EVALUATION!

When I went to training camp…quaterbacks were practicing to hit targets in corners of endzone. Cassel struggeled…when it came to Palko’s turn Cassel said: “$100 if you are able to hit it!” I think some of the game is just a joke to Cassel. That he does not take it serious enough. I thought to myself buddy you better be worrying about you own play!

by Dan Sample on Sep 7, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

OMG

Cut him now and end it all. Get real Dan!

by popparuss581 on Sep 7, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe its just a false memory

Put I don’t remember too many times where there was a solid pocket created on 1st team play this pre-season

by KeyboardGato on Sep 7, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

You don’t see a lot of cases of Cassel getting hurried or getting sacked on a blown protection. They’ve had some hiccups. But in most cases, there’s a clean enough pocket to get rid of the ball for 3-5 seconds and there is usually a big enough crease for a good enough QB to slide into a spot. If he gets better at pocket awareness, he could buy a lot more time to find receivers.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that

By the time it hits 3 seconds he was usually getting pressured, but yeah some are on him most are on the O-line though. Hard to have awareness like that when the pockets had potential of collapsing any given moment from any given side. You can see it getting better towards the end of preseason now that there are no real revolving doors w the 5 guys up front.

by KCinIL on Sep 7, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t agree. On a good chunk of the plays, he has more than enough time to get rid of the ball. And on others, he moved into the rush instead of away from it. He has to develop a better understanding of creases in the pocket. Watch Brady play sometime. You’d be shocked how many sacks he avoids not by bootlegging out, but by sliding into a hole in the pocket and buying an extra 3 or 4 seconds. There’s a reason why Brady took far less sacks than Cassel behind the same offensive line.

The Quarterback can absolutely make your o-line better with better pocket awareness and better blitz recognition.

by Jon Yoon on Sep 7, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But an O-Line can also destory a QB. Either way these are fixable problems and having 1 of the best offensive coaches in the game is only going to improve Cassel, I’ll take it. We’re not asking him to be Tom Brady or Peyton. But it is a good sign that when crunch time does hit he’s able to take us down there to score or tie the game(only to have the defense give it back of course). Don’t see how a QB we drafted for would be any more the answer than a QB that’s proven he can hang in the NFL.

by KCinIL on Sep 7, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gee another post questioning Cassel's ability as our "answer"

Shocker! …hard for him to understand the pocket when there is none. You can say it’s been better in the past, but that’s not saying a whole lot at all. Let’s give him a couple “real” games before casting him off. We did w Trent, we did w Brodie, even Damon got a couple shots.

by KCinIL on Sep 7, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

If we went 8-8...

and Cassel had the exact same year as last… would you consider that an improvement on his part and that he should stay? Or that other areas improved and he didnt? I feel like if we win games this year and Cassel doesn’t improve people will believe Cassel played better and his stats didn’t show it.

I hope Cassel kills it this year (for the record), but I see why some are pessimistic.

by ITally on Sep 7, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

we'll find out soon enough

last year Cassel didn’t play well but the situation was terrible

this preseason Cassel hasn’t played particularly well but it’s “just the preseason”

the real thing starts in a week and it won’t take long for us to see if Cassel has it or not.

no more excuses

by Home skillet on Sep 7, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Here here!

Team MVPS

Offense: Charlie Weiss
Defense: Romeo Crennel

by KCinIL on Sep 7, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Drinking the Cassel Kool Aid

This guy was lights out playing for New England he’ll be good here. He’s still a little shelled shocked from last yr taking all those beating he did with that horrible o-line it’ll get better. This guy is a competitor fans have to keep in mind this is only his 3rd season as the starter. IF you compare his numbers to other 2 yr starters like Rodgers, Flaco, and Matt Ryan his numbers are very comparable. Rodgers has much higher touchdowns but he has that over Flaco and Ryan too. Cassell I can assure if pass protection stays good will post better numbers in comparison to last yr.

by joed2001 on Sep 7, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

All Matt needs to do is make the plays when we need him too

He has two pro bowl caliber running backs rotating behind him to pound it for first and second down. Its just on those 3rd and 4s, 3rd and 2s, and 3rd and 1s that Thomas and Jamaal have been setting up for him consistently, hes gotta make the throw. I personally would take our receiving core over 3/4ths of the cores in the league including Drew Brees’ receivers, Big Bens receivers, Eli manning’s receivers, Donovan McNabb’s receivers, all great or elite QB’s.

His task isnt that damn hard. Just have some pocket presence, take the hit if you need to complete the pass, and be able to look outside of your first target which is something that half of the BACKUP QB’s IN THE NFL CAN DO

by JC25FoMVP on Sep 7, 2010 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

NOT IMPRESSED WITH COACHING

 For guy who got absolutely raped by defenses and screwed by a piss poor recieving core last year Haley and Weiss didnt do much to build up his confidence in the pre season. On a few occasions they put him in bad sutuations with the play clock. On more than a few occasions they either called the wrong play or didnt give him the correct packages to audible with.
 
Having said that he absolutely needs to settle his feet, thats 90% of his accuracy problem. The constant pump faking does not fool the defense and distracts recievers. I have not seen very many clean pockets to step into but the ones we see he doesnt. And while scrambling on his own has not been productive, a well timed play action bootleg can sometimes open things up and buy him some time to recognize different oppurtunities. (buy time for Bowe down field, give the running backs and tight ends a little more time to seperate from linebackers and set up the sprint draw Haley and Weiss depend on so much.) That may seem elementerary but when that idiot Gailly did it for Thigpen a few years ago it did wonders for him, and New England called a lot of that for Matt the first couple of games after he took over for Brady. Sometimes you got go back to the basics and build your way back up.

by crimson1726 on Sep 8, 2010 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

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