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Chiefs vs. Chargers: Casey Wiegmann Takes Early First Team Duties At Center

The Kansas City Chiefs are opening up Monday's practice with one goal in mind: beating the San Diego Chargers in the first regular season game.

The Chiefs opened practice with Casey Wiegmann taking first team duties, according to the Kansas City Star.

As we talked about earlier Monday morning, Rudy Niswanger has taken the majority of first team duties at center. The Chiefs kept both players during the roster cut down to 53 players.

This training camp I've been trying to figure out: Is Niswanger getting the first team snaps because he's better or because Wiegmann doesn't need as many snaps since he's a 15-year veteran?

Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star reports that it was also Derrick Johnson and Jovan Belcher as the first team inside linebackers in the opening minutes of practice he was able to view.

Tamba Hali is also back after taking off last week and Ryan O'Callaghan is out once again.

Here's Josh Looney of KCChiefs.com's practice report from Monday.

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Bad timing for an injury for OCal

I hope RIchardson plays well enough to take away his job.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 6, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

He has in the fake games

Hopefully he can continue to play as well once they count.

by dablueguy on Sep 6, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

DJ got the nod to start?

i was one of the few people to hope DeMo would win that spot

Player who NEEDS to step up: Matt cassel
Breakout players: Belcher, Gilberry, Moeaki
Early prediction for offensive MVP: Jamaal Charles
Early prediction for defensive MVP: Tamba Hali

by BEEf_CHIEF on Sep 6, 2010 1:42 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

I think DJ/Demorrio will be used in the same way TJ/Charles will be on offense.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 6, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope that we see all kinds of different looks from Demo...

Throw him on the outside with DJ and Belcher on the inside… Tamba on the outside. Put him in as a 5th LBer, etc…

I believe that he is fired up to wreck some havoc this year in Crennel’s defense.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Sep 6, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's certainly starting to look likely

And you know what? I’ve actually become OK with that. Williams will see the field, especially with the way he’s coming around as a pass rusher.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 6, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably to keep everyone from crying

DJ starting keeps DJ and all the fans from crying

also keeps Demorrio pissed off

i imagine Demorrio still plays quite a bit

by Home skillet on Sep 6, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

On this team, "starter" just means you get in on that first snap.

DJ is a logical choice to start against Antonio Gates. Maybe we’ll see him fighting Gates off the line. Free releases can be killers against the SD offense. Instead, take away all the timing stuff from Rivers when we blitz him.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.

by soybon on Sep 6, 2010 6:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I totally agree

I’ve noticed Williams isn’t talking about “I think I’ll be number 1” and all that crap. I think he is a little more mature and knows he’ll see the field no matter what label he gets.

IMO, if we get good production out of them, and they both see about equal snaps (as looks likely), no one’s going to care who is starting.

I’m just thanking the Lord that Belcher is listed as a starter, not Mays.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 6, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just read the practice report and you then posted this.

For the numbers guys: Horne is now #11, Anthony Toribio is #98, Chandler Williams is #8 and Tervaris Johnson will wear #38.

Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

by oldchiefsfan on Sep 6, 2010 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Who cares?

This happens all the time and is more about player preference than anything. Not like we have a plethora of qbs to take the number from him.

by ict_chief on Sep 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Glad to see Belcher got the nod, DJ makes sense if they plan to use Demorrio occasionally in that pass rusher hand in dirt role

Looks like its all working out well, lets hope DJ can play up to his potential this year.

Weigmann should be starting, we need someone to lead that line, the ironman is the guy to do it.

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Sep 6, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

oh I agree...Ive been one of his biggest critics

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Sep 6, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked the way he mugged that GB TE at the line on the Demorrio sack. If there's more of that to come, I can live with it.

And looking at how Vrabel played at WILB, it looks like the role is more about keeping bad things from happening than it is about making plays. Somebody has to keep their feet and keep their eyes open, especially on that weak side. Dorsey’s kind of doing the same thing. They’re not looking for gap-shooting so much as for a player or two to close the deal if the other guys flying around lose contain or whiff on a tackle.

This might be total BS, but you see Dorsey lagging behind on the pass rush, and at first it appears like he’s struggling, and then you realize that if the QB DOES squirt out of the pocket, Dorsey’s squarely in his path. When Vrabel was at that WILB spot behind Dorsey, sort of the same thing was happening with him. Not gettin’ all he’t up to fly to the ball, but staying in position to attack the HB filtering out into the weakside flat for the potential dump-off pass. Vrabel looked late to some of the tackles on that weak side, but he was preventing the big play by staying at home.

I can see DJ starting to learn that, more, and as the d-line and whoever’s blitzing get their act together (and it looks like they ARE), the fewer breakdowns I expect from DJ. It’s not like the last few years where doing something stupid was KC’s best chance of actually making a stop with a fundamentally unsound group of players. Now there’s much more emphasis on just doing your damn job and trusting your teammates to do theirs. I see a LOT more trust this year than I’ve seen in a long time. It’s not like every guy playing out of control, because he thinks he has to do something heroic.

Pardon the pun, but KC had too many Chiefs and not enough indians. Now I think there’s a much more solid team concept, and DJ’s IQ is going to seem quite a bit higher this year, as are numerous others, who were also good players in a crap situation.

At the same time, with everyone focused on doing their damn jobs, the guys who SHOULD be pinning their ears back are actually making plays (or blowing up plays for cooler heads to mop up). I’m likin’ it.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who IS that guy?

INCONCEIVABLE!

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 6, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could look here

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Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...

by oldchiefsfan on Sep 6, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

that is some funny shit

I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.

by soybon on Sep 6, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

MHR thoughts on Wiegmann
Any team with Wiegmann at C is a team that won’t get good interior O-line play. That guy is done.
. Once Harris was down and Hamilton looked like he’s just decided to quit on us, while Wiegmann made too many errors (if you take on a man and it turns out that the defense wanted you to take that man rather than the other gap, but if you keep your contact, most stat systems seem to claim that you played it right, But really, you’ve set up your guards for trouble. There was a good reason that Wiegmann was one of those waived first in the offseason.), the team was tanking quickly. Orton had too little time, the OL was a very bad joke
Clady was protecting the LG position, since both LG Ben Hamilton and C Casey Wiegmann went badly south.
McD began gradually installing his gap-blocking scheme to assist with the running game. In short yardage situations, this type of offensive play-calling turned out to be more of a failure than success. Wiegmann wasn’t even in the pile on many plays, as he was pushed back a couple of yards into the pocket. The RB would be met by defenders behind the line of scrimmage, much like Floyd Little all of his great career.
Wiegmann was an old man. anybody will be an upgrade. Walton > Wiegmann any day


, I think it was Wiegmann that regressed. – both were negatively affected by the loss of RyanH
I don’t think Olsen is likely to be a downgrade from Wiegmann for several reasons:
1. Wiegmann just wasn’t very good last year, so the bar is pretty low.

I think most of the concer in with his inability to power block….which we won’t ask him to do very often. I still think Wiegs could be this years Goff.

Chiefs Might

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 6, 2010 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Goff and Weigmann

Chicks always brings the sunny cheerfulness to our Chiefs

However, in this case, I agree that there may be some risk that Weigs could be this years Goff. There is, or should, always be that concern when bringing in an aged veteran. I think that this point may be the real reason they are keeping both Cs. Just some smart caution. Also, to platoon both of them will keep them in better shape for whole season. I tend to fall to the optimistic side on Weigmann but who knows.

I welcomed Weigmann big time and wanted us to draft a stud C because I thought that Rudy sucked last year. However, with the similar current debate about TRich I am falling on the cautious side of bringing him back at 38. We don’t have any significant problems in the backfield at this time and think we can do fine with the guys we have.

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 6, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, to platon both of them....

I have wondered this all preseason after seeing them use them both extensivly. What would be wrong with using them both in games. Keep them fresh for the big N/T’s that they say they will struggle with. Use them in gameplans with whom ever has the stronger skill set for that game plan. I know the line gelling and the center making the calls comes into play but they have both played with this line pretty well and it would seem like utilizing them instead of just sitting one on the bench might have some merit. Any thoughts?

by birddaug on Sep 6, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Might see a bit of platooning.

This is the same Wiegmann that was in the Pro Bowl not long ago. And the Denver O-Line was one of the best to start last season, but injuries to various players destroyed them. Living close to Denver, that’s what some of the wiser heads are saying. Guys who had minor injuries, but kept on playing, or returned with nicks, only weren’t 100%.

I don’t think Wiegmann was the weak link to start all that, but when they shifted the blocking scheme and tried to go bigger, he became a liability. I wonder if Niswanger comes in on 3rd and long, when KC tries to set up and throw, rather than leaving any doubt on run/pass.

MY big issue is seeing O’Callaghan injured and Richardson the only RT this week, when RT/swing tackle were such big needs this offseason.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

My concern with too much platooning

would be the Center-QB exchange. Different centers snap the ball differently. Not to mention the C is the QB of your line, so you lose some chemistry there.

by Tarkus on Sep 6, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. And Niswanger's history in shotgun snapping is spotty.

At the same time, in the glory days of Grunnie, Shields and Szott, there were games where the o-line itself seemed to fade in the 4th quarter. And nowadays, defenses are platooning their linemen. I think Wiegmann and Niswanger both know the line calls quite well, and being able to swap out guys in the interior because you WANT to, rather than because you HAVE to could mean more success and healthier players over the course of a season.

There might be games, too, where the NT (for instance Mt. Cody) is massive, but a bit slow off the blocks. Niswanger might be better for those situations. Wiegmann might be better against teams that make their living off quickness. Or vice-versa. Maybe Wiegmann’s quickness lets him get into his blocks and keep a Mt. Cody off-balance, and Niswanger can just be a huge load in the path of a smaller, quicker d-tackle.

Personally, I like having massive guards and a C whose quickness puts the finishing touch on the blocking scheme. But Lilja ain’t what I’d call a massive guard. Maybe he’ll benefit from a massive center acting as the pivot/backside blocker when the G is pulling.

Short-term, though, I think KC really wants to go with better feet, period, and to set up a little passing with a lot of pulling and running, and Wiegmann, Lilja and Waters are a nice interior combo for that purpose, it seems to me. Niswanger was also a member of the o-line that “discovered” Jamaal Charles.

Longer-term, I’m kind of hoping Asamoah is the Pro Bowl C of the future, and Niswanger is a G and backup C.

If Asamoah isn’t starting week 1 (and he isn’t, as far as I know), I still wouldn’t be surprised if he is starting (in some capacity in the middle) by midseason.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

did we see him

take snaps in any of the preseason games?

I’m sure they’ve practiced him there but don’t know about the games.

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 6, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably had nothing to do with a scheme change at all right?

And the fact that Weigmann is clearly a ZBS guy and we just happen to run a ZBS.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 6, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I added this...

I think most of the concer in with his inability to power block….which we won’t ask him to do very often. I still think Wiegs could be this years Goff.

But it was blockquoted. I understand they were asking an old dog to learn new tricks. The fact remains, he’s still an old dog. Will he be better this year? Possibly…he acted stoked to be back with the Chiefs, but I think there is an equal chance he reminds us all of Goff. We’ll see.

Chiefs Might

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 6, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

A teams fans...

of a departed player (Weigmann in this case), will seldom have good things to say about said player.

I think Casey will be fine. Great? No. Adequate? Yes.

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Sep 6, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly I see us finding another RT/C/G and releasing Weigeman within a week

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by giftedchiefsfan on Sep 6, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see the RT, especially, but not releasing Wiegmann like that.

The biggest development I’ve seen so far is that Ndukwe clearly isn’t quick enough or doesn’t see enough to be much good in pass protection from the G position. I thought he looked like he had good enough feet, but lacked something upstairs in terms of what to do with them. With all the griping about Cassel, Ndukwe’s man was consistently getting a virtually free run up the field.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The big difference in comparing Goff and Weigman is...

Goff had major knee problems through his career… it had been widely know that he didn’t have much left in the tank. Weigmann on the other hand has had over 9000 consecutive career snaps…

I do agree that aging vets are a concern… but I believe that Weigman has one more year left in the tank… and as long as he doesn’t snap the ball of Cassel’s or Colquitt’s head I think he will do fine.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Sep 6, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If O'Cally is out for any length of time

I think Rudy has to be our OL reserve that might even play RT if necc

by dablueguy on Sep 6, 2010 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously, what is wrong with him?

I know Pioli et al are tight lipped, but don’t they have to actually disclose injuries?

by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

All They Have to Give is the Body part

And if he’s out, doubtful, questionable, or probable.

by dablueguy on Sep 6, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

groin pull, i think

Painful

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 6, 2010 4:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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