NFL Roster Cuts: Chiefs 2009 And 2010 Draft Looking Very Different
by Joel Thorman on Sep 6, 2010 9:52 AM CDT
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs selected eight players in the 2009 NFL draft. Relative to the 2010 draft, things aren't looking too hot.
Entering the 2010 NFL roster cut down day last Saturday, I figured that all of those draft picks outside of Tyson Jackson and Ryan Succop were on the roster bubble.
The Chiefs ended up releasing two 2009 draft picks on Saturday -- Colin Brown and Javarris Williams -- and another one -- Quinten Lawrence -- on Sunday.
That's three of the eight picks that have been released after one season. It's possible they could come back, too.
You can't get too up in arms that a fifth, sixth and seventh round picks didn't work out. In fact, 18 of the NFL's 2009 fifth round picks aren't even on their original team anymore so the Chiefs weren't alone in that area.
Still though it doesn't look like the Chiefs have gotten much from the third, fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh round picks.
I'm intrigued by the vast differences in these two drafts. One was from Scott Pioli's first year with a different scouting situation, new team with new needs and all of that. The other was after he had a year to prepare and early results say he nailed it.
We'll see where we're standing at this time next year and the 2010 draft comes up. Depending on Cameron Sheffield's injury, it's hard to imagine the Chiefs parting ways with any of the '10 picks after a year.
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I remember hearing an interview with him where he admitted
to having little help in preparing for the draft. I can’t remember exactly what he said, but it was network tv, and somebody else surely saw this too.
by liquorstoreclerk on Sep 6, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Gretz
Said on his site a while back that Pioli didn’t use the input of the scouts (holdovers) that were on the staff last year…so you can assume the picks were done pretty much by Pioli and Haley without much, if any input.
Predictions:
This year will be better
This was it.
He didn’t retain any scouts and scrapped his scouting that had been done in New England. I believ his hire date and the date of the draft had something to do with it. i don’t think he had much time to catch up on scouting for a whole new team. We had majorly different needs. the offensive lines of each team being exhibit a….
by liquorstoreclerk on Sep 6, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
On An Unrelated Gretz Note
Saw a really amusing comment about Gretz on another board a couple of weeks ago where they suggested the only reason he attends press conferences is to bail out the head coach from difficult questions. :)
Moderator - Arrowhead Pride
Or from the retarded redundant questions.
Still, it is amusing to see Haley turn from the questioner (cough*nickwright*cough) and pointedly ask Bob for a ‘real’ question.
Strive for greatness, Red and Gold.
Does He Throw Him A Treat Afterwards?
And scratch his belly until his leg kicks? :)
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yeah actually
It’s kind of adorable. He knows speak, sit down, shake, roll over, and stay.
Now if only he would heel…
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Pioli didn't
but apparently one of the scouts who was released after the draft did. I remember Gretz saying it came from one of those folks. Not hard to believe.
Predictions:
This year will be better
good thoughts Joel!
I was thinking about this as well as we’re watching the cut days around the NFL. It’s amazing what it means to be settled into your position and then survey the land, so to speak
What's the knock on Magee?
He hasn’t really shown up this preseason, but has he been playing poorly? I keep hearing about how he’s on the roster bubble & I"m not sure why… I believe he actually had more sacks than T-Jax & Dorsey combined last year, right?
Predictions:
This year will be better
it kind of bugs me actually. I think hes shown more than a lot of other guys that get hyped for one big play
he had some serious pressure last year at times, im still hoping he can pan out as a rotation 3-4 DE. depth. solid depth
Honestly the best DE on this team might be wallace gilberry…this scares me.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Sacks and 3-4 DE's don't go together
Magee is a better pass rusher than T-jax and Dorsey, and he came on the last meaningless game and possibly saved his spot. But Gilberry passed him as a pass rush specialist, and Smith is a better classic 3-4 DE.
Javarris Williams Isn't Coming Back
He didn’t get picked up for practice squad last I saw. And when a practice-squad eligible RB is discarded by his team, it usually means that team has no real interest in him anymore.
Man, 2009 was a horrible draft.
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I wouldnt quite say that... Im just saying...
I cant say why I think he will come back but there is a chance…
Chiefs Will
It was a horrible draft for almost all teams though
Not to make excuses for Pioli, but at this point it doesn’t look like too many stars are going to come out of the 2009 class.
Predictions:
This year will be better
2009 Draft
Was apparently not that great for most of the 32 teams. Over 1/3 of all 2009 draftees have been released this year, so it wasnt just us who allegedley missed the mark on that draft.
"Chiefs Will..."
by RodeoChief on Sep 6, 2010 10:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yes
Generic Brand has been doing some tracking of the 2009 picks for the whole league and it sounds like KC is in the majority, and maybe even a better than some teams.
I remember the 2009 draft class being considered weak even before it started, while this class was considered one of the strongest, outside of QB. I think that is starting to be revealed as a good assessment pretty quickly.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
You can't say the 7th round didn't work out when we got Succop
Getting a guy who looks like the long term solution at K means I don’t care what happened to the other two 7th rounders.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Sep 6, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Better than Denver giving away
a 2nd round pick from ’09 for a ham sandwich… Worse is that pick would have been the #14 overall pick in ’10 had they kept it.
projects vs playmakers
2009 was a draft full of projects, after securing starters in Jackson, Cassel and Succop. I am surprised they gave up on 3 of em already
2010 was about playmakers and team speed… obviously we’ll like this year’s group better
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Sep 6, 2010 11:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah we got 4 starters out of that draft
QB – Cassel
DE – Jackson
OLB – Vrabel
K – Succop
And we got a situational guy in Alex Magee and also Donald Washington, who I think still has some potential. I thought Javarris Williams was looking pretty good in preseason, but he just wasn’t as good on special teams as Jackie Battle.
All in all, 4 starters out of a draft is pretty good. I am not complaining.
I don't know why people seem to like forgetting that we got Cassel and Vrabel out of that draft
Vrabel alone is worth a second. The guy helped our D become smart (which is going to save the Ds butts once in a while).
In addition regarding Jackson, not if there were a lot of other options.
Pioli did the best he could with what he had. Maybe a B. But given how much luck is involved in drafting…this is a great grade.
I think the Cassel/Vrabel trade was a huge win for us
You get two leaders and starters on both sides of the ball in crucial positions. I strongly believe tha TJax will be much improved this season and will continue to open up holes for DW to attack the QB.
I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.
- George Burns
Pioli did the best he could with what he had
and with the (little) time he had. Remember, he didn’t even have a HC on board until, what, March?
Chiefs WILL!
It's the same with politics and work environments
Everyone’s an expert until something serious breaks, then nobody wants the job.
It’s real easy to talk and propose theories, but I strongly believe the vast majority of people who consider themselves “informed” about certain subjects would decline a serious invitation to actually fix what they see as broken. The rest would just fail.
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
we also got UDFA's...they count...Jovan Belcher anyone?
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
great point
And, OConnell seems like he’s gonna be at least a solid blocker
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Sep 6, 2010 1:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good one
If we are counting UDRFAs that give us 5 starters from that Draft now that Belcher is starting.
Pretty damn good if you ask me.
We just re-signed Quinten Lawrence to the PS too so we haven’t quite given up on that project yet.
One thing about the 2010 draft ...
You won’t be able to use this as a gauge, considering just how DEEP it was with talent. Lot’s of underclassmen declared and left school to attempt to cash in before a new CBA, as well as a possible strike year next year. So talent-wise, the 2010 draft was considerably more off the charts than any I’ve ever witnessed. That doesn’t discount all the other factors of scouting, more prep time, etc, but a deeper talent pool is something I think gets overlooked quite a bit. Do you think in 2008 or 2009 McCluster, Sergio Kindle, Jimmy Clausen, Terrance Cody, or Brandon Spikes would have been sitting in the 2nd round? I sure don’t (McCluster maybe…)
I guess my point is, a “bad” draft in 2009 had a lot of factors that played into it, but a large part of having a “good/great” 2010 draft is going to be a result of having a plethora of talent at almost every position that wasn’t NT. That is in part of a strong senior class, but also a record-tying underclassmen declaration of 53 additional players. While it wasn’t as high as projected, that’s almost two entire rounds of draft prospects, so it really shouldn’t be taken too lightly.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
And then again...
that record was from 2008… so I may just be a retart.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
I agree, there was serious talent in this draft...whereas 2009 is looking WEAAAK.
im sure 2011 wont touch 2010 because of all those guys that came out early…there was so much QB talent that guys like snead went undrafted, had he stayed, he gets picked next year in theory
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
You gota look at 2011 draft by position
WR…deep…….A.J. Green….Julio Jones….Michael Floyd
C……deep……..Mike Pouncy….Kris O’dowd….Stefen Wisenwiski
maybe NT
so you gota look at it by position. 2009 just really didnt line up with our needs. Really really wish there was a guy like Marcell Dareus in the 2009 draft….that woulda been perfect.
Oh and 2012 draft……linebacker deep
Team Berry
by MasterBlaster7 on Sep 6, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought both Pouncy's came out this year?
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Good points, but
Even in a talent-rich draft, sometimes you give away the farm to trade up for Tebow…
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I would call those kinds of moves retarded.
And would certainly hope that my favorite organization wouldn’t do such incredibly stupid things for a project QB.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Great article
I’m done arguing against the 09 draft, people can believe what they want,but it shows me Pioli has trouble picking out real talent on his own without a full staff of in house, new england grown scouts. Normal, maybe. Acceptable? not for his (and this teams) payroll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related
That's what I like to see
If you’re going to have irrational hate-on for a guy, absolutely own that irrational hatered. Well done.
This space for rent.
by Druful on Sep 6, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The 09 draft sucked.
and it’s not a good excuse to say “well we had scouts and reports, but we decided to say ‘eff that’ and go in a different direction.”
But that’s what they did. And like I said above, 2010 isn’t going to be the yardstick I use to measure future drafts against. 2009 was a much more normal draft (at least I think).
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Or maybe both drafts were so abnormal
That neither is really an indicator, as both situations (from a Chiefs standpoint) were pretty atypical with one year having a new GM, no HC, a soon-to-be-fired coaching staff, incumbent scouting staff that were headed for the block and a very short timeframe for preparation – followed by a draft that was freakishly deep in talent due to the aforementioned upcoming CBA / uncapped year / potential work stoppage.
So maybe people trying to draw too many conclusions (in either direction) is an exercise in futility at this point.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I'd certainly agree with that
But like I said above, just because there are excuses for 09 doesn’t make them right. If they had made a 1st and 2nd round pick that was worth it…. then sure. But they didn’t. The best pick of the 09 draft was Mr. Irrelevant, and even he’s not looking so hot right now.
I really don’t like being a negative nancy here, and I’ll even concede that there wasn’t a lot of talent to take at #3 in the 09 draft. But Tyson Jackson surprised EVERYONE, it was a pick out of left field, and isn’t looking too promising from all the reports and how often he’s on the sideline.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
LHO You Own the Chiefs in 2008
Who do YOU get for GM and Head Coach? I mean Pioli was the best in the business voted on by his peers. Seriously man who would you have chosen?
Pioli and Haley have been my favorite combo of GM/HC in KC since early Peterson and Marty.
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