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NFL Roster Cuts: Chiefs Make Toribio Signing Official, Release Quinten Lawrence

The Kansas City Chiefs announced via press release that they had signed former Green Bay Packers nose tackle Anthony Toribio on Sunday. They were awarded Toribio when the Packers placed him on waiver wire and the Chiefs placed a claim on him.

The Chiefs also announced that receiver Quinten Lawrence had been released. Lawrence was signed and released a couple of times last year so it seems his roster position is pretty fluid.

Lawrence also makes the third 2009 draft pick that was didn't make the active roster -- 5th round pick Colin Brown and 7th round pick Javarris Williams. He was a sixth round pick.

It's interesting that the Chiefs did release two nose tackles (one signed to practice squad) on Saturday. Perhaps they had a strong indication Toribio would be released. It sounds like some good scouting here.

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Could be a good pickup.

It does not hurt to give him a shot. They must have liked what they saw the other night.

by Rowdy Chief on Sep 5, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

No kidding

They moved quick on this one

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Sep 5, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

What was Lawrence's main role? Special teams?

Was he the guy who caught the deep pass at the beginning of one of the final games last year? Or was that Copper? I honestly don’t know the difference….

by EddieK on Sep 5, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Copper

He had a 50 yard catch in the Denver game last year. Lawrence mainly plays gunner on the special team units. He was pretty ineffective as a returner and didn’t develop into a very good receiver even though he had some speed

by ChiefMizzou09 on Sep 5, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That about sums it up. Another drafted-for-upside that didn't pan out.

I hate to see KC part with speed, but like you say, he didn’t seem to develop the entire WR skillset, and Copper’s a bigger body who does about what Lawrence was doing. Lawrence got one good ST stop the other night.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

A friend of mine whose a packers fan said that GB went to camp with 5 nose tackles.

He didnt know much about this kid but it sounds like they had a lot of people fighting for the same postion and he was the odd man out.

Run D is the key this year.

by cwebb44 on Sep 5, 2010 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I have a lotta respect for Capers' front 7 and coaching.

They played well against KC. And this new kid was being coached by the best, so he ought to know the drill. Too bad about Lokey, though. But he was a longshot to make it in KC’s 3-4.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chiefs need to swoop T-Rich, Blount, Talib

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 5, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he

was mistakenly reported released but was not.

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 5, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just checked the Bucs website

He is listed under the Reserve/Suspended category.

by Scott Phillips on Sep 5, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you serious that Talib was released?

Wasn’t he the Bucs’ first round pick in 2008?

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 5, 2010 8:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep

He has a special place in my heart…he was the first person I ever drafted in an AP Community Mock. I had him going to the Pack.

by craig in calgary on Sep 5, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He Was Suspended, Not Released

And he’s a talented cornerback, but that guy’s been trouble ever since he came in the league. For whatever Mark Mangino’s faults were at Kansas, you’ve got to give him credit for keeping that guy’s head at least marginally screwed on straight for three years.

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by UCrawford on Sep 5, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I recall ...

He was trouble at KU, too. The reason he slid out of the top 10 picks in the Draft, if I remember correctly, was because he tested positive for marijuana at the Combine. Or somesuch.

by JacinB on Sep 5, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, He Had Issues At KU

But somehow Mangino was able to keep him from getting arrested. Million dollar talent, five cent head.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride

by UCrawford on Sep 6, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I cant believe you put those 2 chumps in the same sentence as TRich

Blasphemy…

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2010 8:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

no kiddin'...

at least as far as Blount goes…bleh!

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think talib has had legal problems

doubt he’s our type.

kind of a them amongst former-kU professional athletes

Sandy Eggos goin down.

by Chief TigerGator on Sep 5, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

A Tiger talking about legal issues with players. A little like the pot calling the kettle black I’d say. ;)

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something tells me after yesterday

Jayhawk fans are ready for basketball season. And the Cats had their share of run ins with the law, especially with MoRon Prince at the helm.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

For off...

Thanks for defending fellow Kansans against those dirty inbreds! ;)

Second, yes, after the “football” game (It’s doing the sport an injustice to pretend that was a real football team) us Jayhawks are begging for our fat, faithful leader to return.

That being said, it’s college and it’s football; what team doesn’t have run ins with the law??

by LTownChiefsFan on Sep 6, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Second, yes, after the "football" game (It’s doing the sport an injustice to pretend that was a real football team) us Jayhawks are begging for our fat, faithful leader to return.

I’m not. At least not if you’re referring to Mangino. There’s more to life than winning and losing, and the way it turned out he was running his program was a disgrace. I’m glad he’s gone.

As for Turner Gill – last night’s game was ugly, but give it more than 1 week before declaring him a bust. We lost a lot of talent on offense between this year and last. Reesing, Sharp, Meier, and Briscoe are all gone, and Opurum is now a linebacker (a move I’m still not sold on, but still). We’ve got a lot of inexperienced players adjusting to a totally new scheme. It will get better as the season goes on.

If you’re desperate for Mangino to return, that’s a totally valid opinion, but I wouldn’t speak for all Jayhawk fans. I don’t care if Mangino had been fired as the winning-est coach in history. I don’t care if he had brought 7 national titles to KU. The way he ran the program was not ok. We may not be a national powerhouse, but we’re still better than that.

Rock chalk.

by MtHammer on Sep 6, 2010 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Mangino Had Won Seven National Titles

I wouldn’t care what he said to players. A job of a football coach is to win first, everything else is second.

And frankly, Turner Gill might be the nicest, most upstanding guy on the planet. But if he can’t beat a Division 1AA school, then I don’t want him coaching KU…the same as I didn’t want Terry Allen or Bob Valesente coaching for KU once they’d shown they couldn’t win. Who the hell wants to spend three hours of their day watching their team lose to guys they should be blowing out? Nice guy winners are a perk, but I’ll take a winning jerk over a losing nice guy any day of the week. I don’t know them, I don’t hang out with them, and their happiness doesn’t matter to me…their only interaction with me is their performance on the field, and if they can’t get the job done there then they need to go somewhere else. Somewhere where the fans don’t give a damn.

And I’m not saying that Mangino didn’t deserve to get fired after last year. I think he probably did…especially after he lost his last seven in a row. But if Turner F%#$ing Gill is a better coach than Mark Mangino then he’s done a hell of a job hiding it, both at KU and at Buffalo. The dude went 20-30 and had one winning season in the MAC. The MAC. What in the hell was Lew Perkins smoking when he made that hire?

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by UCrawford on Sep 6, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe he thought

KU has a lot of learning to do from NU.

{ducks}

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 6, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are some lines that are inexcusable to cross, no matter how much you win. And Mangino crossed them.

All I’m saying on Turner Gill is don’t write him off after one game. If it becomes clear over the next year or two that he’ll never field a competitive program at KU (ala Terry Allen) then of course he should be fired.

But many people don’t realize that Mangino was around a .500 coach over his career at KU. People also forget that his first season at KU was a 2-10 affair that included an 0-8 conference record. I’d much rather have a .500 Turner Gill than a .500 Mark Mangino. And even if Turner Gill isn’t the guy, I assure you there are people out there who can build a successful football program and do it the right way. And those are the only types of people I want coaching at KU.

Ideally, I’d like KU to be a program that is both classy and elite, but if I can only have one I’ll take classy and good (which is do-able) over elite but skeezy. And I believe you can run an elite program without being a horrible person. Surely somewhere out there there is a football equivalent of a Roy Williams or Bill Self – guys who aren’t perfect by any means (KU basketball has not been squeaky clean beyond reproach under Self, for example) but both of whom run their programs with a hell of a lot more class and dignity than the way Mark Mangino ran his.

by MtHammer on Sep 6, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope, 09

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2010 8:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yup. I had the same question, myself, Vince D. Went back and looked last night. Another Pioli pick released.

A guy was just saying the other day that Pioli holds on to his picks for dear life. Definitely doesn’t look that way, anymore.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would say

non-first draft, draft picks

Your Mama!

by TDubb on Sep 5, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like all 6 of these guys.

Berry, McCluster, Arenas, Asamoah, Moeaki, Lewis, Sheffield…

We’ll see how much playing time Lewis and Sheffield get this season, but all 6 of these guys look like they can play, to me. I can see Lewis maybe being beaten by a better athlete at some point, but looking like the best safety, other than Berry, so far this year.

Sheffield was looking pretty good to me in preseason. Like it didn’t take him long to figure things out, and has the toolkit to get it done.

Remember, though, at this point LAST year, the worst thing that happened to a draft pick was Brown going to IR.

The one I’m watching most skeptically is Moeaki. If he can’t stay healthy, he needs to go.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm. I don't see it that way.

What I liked most was going d-line right outta the gate. Giving props to the D trenches, and knowing how to use ’em (now that the Crennel piece is in place). I like the fact that the first biggest contract went to a franchise 3-4 DE and that the following biggest contract went to a franchise DB.

I harp ALL the friggin’ time about d-line and d-back (trenches and perimeter) coming first, and that’s just what Pioli did, so I’m definitely liking a lot of the things he’s done. His maddening lack of aggression on the LB front suits me just fine. You’re more likely to develop a great LB with great d-line and d-backs than you are to develop your own dark horse d-back or d-lineman, just by having a great LB. Team concept and smarts can get a LB a long way, but if a DB can’t cover or a DL can’t draw the doubleteam, there ain’t much the LB can do to make everything work, although that’s just what a lot of folks always seem to want.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

a bit frustrating

I was hoping for a few more deals today.

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 5, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

nah, he's getting better

Also thought Brown, Lawrence and Williams were starting to come around… so, who knows?

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2010 8:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It was a tough year to evaluate guys like Williams, Lawrence and O'Connell.

There weren’t many good opportunities for these guys. I think Williams showed himself to be a pretty good runner this preseason, though. I think we saw enough of Lawrence to question whether he’d ever have anything beyond the comeback route. Never seemed to get him the ball in stride, where he could turn it up the field. I don’t see any reason why he can’t take it to the next level and be successful, except for the fact that he didn’t.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

great work generic

Thanks for putting in that work

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. Thanks, GB.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

great research, buddy, thanks!

These guys are late round picks, which makes them being cut more common, too

Still a lot of good from that draft, IMHO… Jackson(he will be good), Cassel (ditto), Vrabel (really helped w the 3-4 switch, and played solid), Succop, O’Connell (he’s coming along), and 2 projects in progress (Magee and Washington)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2010 8:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Still a long way to go

Maybe I’ll make a fan post in the morning. The simple thing it states though is it really isnt uncommon for these late round guys not to work out and like irishking said below I don’t think the scenario for Pioli last offseason was ideal so he didn’t fair as bad as some may want to suggest.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I am hoping that D Wash makes an impact. I think Tjax becomes a solid player this year.

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll chip in for Magee.

I think we’re gonna like watching this defense.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm... so what you are trying to tell me is

that I shouldn’t worry about the 5th, 6th, and 7th round draft picks being cut. Especially since we also scored on a UDFA, and another 7th rounder?

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Sep 5, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes I think so

beyond the 3rd round is all speculation and scoring on UDFA is awesome

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya... I keep seeing players like

Troy Smith, and Pat White being cut, and glad that we haven’t whiffed already on our 1st and 2nd round picks the past couple years.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Sep 5, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree our staff prefers the traditional QB

but I’ve thought about Smith or White solely as a 3rd string QB. With the fear that can be struck into the hearts of Defensive Coordinators with both Charles and McCluster on the field. What happens if you insert a dual threat QB?

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see Pioli or Haley being

anything but conservative NFL management.
Maybe a little wildcat with someone other than a QB is allright.
But the 70’s Steelers were not running a wildcat QB, the Chiefs won’t either.
We traded Thigpen didn’t we.

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think conservative is the right word

If they were conservative, they would have kept Gailey last season, they would have gone after a safe retread for QB, someone like Leftwich and kept Thigpen around, and kowtowed to 2.7 to keep him happy and kept far away from Chambers.

I think Pioli and Haley have an idea of what kind of team they want and what kind of players. They aren’t conservative, they are just sticking to their playbook. That’s a strength, not a weakness.

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx

by Big Chief on Sep 6, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're both kinda sayin' the same thing.

Conservative in the sense that they’re not going to settle for Arrowspread. Using every gimmick in the book to wring some production out of an offense that can’t block, can’t throw, and can’t catch passes is NOT the way these guys are going to go. They’re going to line up and play offense the way they think it ought to be run and focus on getting better.

It IS more conservative to stick with what you know (or think you know), rather than to bend everything out of shape to suit the talent you don’t have. A lot of bad habits set in when you do that. LBs who miss their assignments half the time, because they’re so used to the d-lineman in front of them missing HIS assignment, so the LB error is actually a pretty good player compensating for a poor team or poor team concept.

This outfit wants everybody to know their assignment and play as if everybody else knows theirs. I think that’s part of DJ’s issue: years of playing on a team with a lot of breakdowns up front. When that happens a lot, maybe the best move IS to take a chance and try for the turnover. People in losing situations OFTEN make the rational choice to hasten their demise, simply because that choice is their ONLY chance of salvaging anything. (Die slowly or take that low-percentage shot at survival).

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Haley is conservative

He will be daring and take risks. How many times did he go for it on 4th last year. I think he did it quite often compared to most HCs. Now, there were a few instances where he probably shouldn’t have done so. But, that’s not conservative.

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, Chief Willie, I wouldn't say Cassel is entirely traditional.

He ran a lot of QB draws in New England. Certainly more stand-and-throw in him than Thiggie, but still…

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I've said before

If you’re on your third QB, you need a guy that can run!

by LTownChiefsFan on Sep 6, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me, too.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

from nfldraftscout.com

 Toribo:
The Miami native emerged as one of the top defensive tackles in the country final season at Mossy Creek, helping the Eagles amass 41 sacks. Short, stout tackle. Does not have first step, but works hard to get upfield. Stays low and keeps his arm extended and hand chest of his man to push the pocket

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2010 8:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Heaven Knows we need some pocket push

Toribio should at the very minumum be another Moeaki type that is always misspelled :)

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know pioli says otherwise

But he wasn’t nearly as prepared last year as this year for the draft,pro personnel and scouting wise

by irishking44 on Sep 5, 2010 8:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He wasn't

but how long did the guy have to actually see what the team needed? I stated in a previous thread it might have made more sense to trade all 09 picks for 10 picks, but then the Pioli haters would really be hatin’.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would've been all for that.

2nd and 3rd round talent this year was as good as 1st round talent last year.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 5, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

and the 2011 draft is going to be the exact opposite.
2nd rounders as third round talent and so forth.
Might be a good year to package a bunch of picks to move up for real talent

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Saying We Should Draft One

Going with two QBs on the roster is insane when one of them is named Brodie Croyle. If Matt Cassel goes down, the Chiefs could very easily end up with a punter playing QB if Croyle takes a serious hit.

There is no excuse for the Chiefs going this long with Croyle as Plan B.

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride

by UCrawford on Sep 5, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we should jump...

Get a stud for the future that actually has the opportunity to sit, watch, and learn. I feel sorry for these guys like Stafford and Bradford getting thrown to the wolves as rookies.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we draft somewhere in the middle

an COULD take a QB and not give him 50 mil guaranteed

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

by the way...if you punched me in the face...

would I have to fight off the insatiable urge to thank you? Do sharks have a week dedicated to you?

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Crawford would eat you so thank him for not eating you

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

and YOUR profile pic

I’m still trying to figure out if it symbolizes Denver realizing Josh McDaniels is a POS coach and he’s masked before the firing line or is it just a racist, KKK donkey? lol

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

What does my Sig say?

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOONE pays any attention to Ninja Asses

I can slip into Denver and gain intelligience on our foes.
I am afraid of Oakland, they eat Ass

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

What

Cannibals and supply the liquor too.
You have lost your mind

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

My Pic Is The Dos Equis Guy

He’s my personal god. :)

Moderator - Arrowhead Pride

by UCrawford on Sep 6, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with doing more to develop your own guy in-house.

But QB’s one of those positions that I think are so hard to fill because nobody has the patience to build a team and end up throwing their new savior into the fire (We tend to be hard on our saviors.). A very few, like Tarkenton, Marino, or Smellway, could lift a team on their shoulders, but only Smellway won it all, and only after a mere 120 yards in the air was enough to seal the deal (Great team around him).

I don’t think Tom Brady would have EVER made it in the NFL if he’d been thrown into their situations or into situations like Donovan McNabb’s in Philly or Jason Campbell’s in Washington. The list goes on and on, but you have to be very lucky to hit on a McNabb, and you’ll still fall short 9 times out of 10, when a great QB is no substitute for a great team, and you WILL face a great team in the SB.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smellway needed a running back..

so we’ve already won half the battle. And I’m personally looking forward to great things from Cassel just because of what our running game opens up for him. A great running attack can make an average QB look pretty darn good.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sanchez

didn’t look all that great regardless

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smellway had some pretty good RBs. It was Alex Gibbs and that O-Line that made the difference.

Well, that plus a little restructuring of Smellway’s contract to bring Neil Smith in at LDE.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Willie

How about that Daniel Thomas? Dude is a S.T.U.D

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

was saying lastnight he could be a Heisman darkhorse, but I doubt he’ll grab the media attention. Watched ESPN lastnight for game highlights and the Bruins had more than we did. Kid romps for 234 yards and doesn’t get squat.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

He will break through

If they play Nebraska for the North title he’ll have his chance on the big stage

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did you graduate?

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was spring '06

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

cool

I was a non-traditional student…will be 37 on Thursday.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got ya

My wife is back in manhattan now. she was at the game and had a helluva time

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was able to take a job and get back to Manhattan

back in July. It’ll always be a great town, but it’s never the same as the good ol’ days.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Moved away 2 years ago

Lived there for 4 years of college and two years after. I love this place but it is different after school is over

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what grad school is for.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Sep 6, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

*Shudder* All them folks livin' cheek-by-jowl... Too much city for this country boy.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha!

He’s talking about Manhattan KS, not Manhattan NY!

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Double HA HA!

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was spring '86

Go Cats! EMAW

Chiefs 44 Donkeys 24 Who's Next!!

by ChiefWildcat on Sep 5, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's funny...

folks were talking about Leinart and what Heisman winners have/haven’t done in the NFL. It made me think of Jason White…that poor bastard couldn’t remember his first name after we got done with him. Take a player like Sproles, he gets a token mention for the Heisman, but he’s actually done something in his career. Would have probably been more if he hadn’t been behind Tomlinson.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

That night was the greatest time I had in college

My roommate was buddies with Sims, he said after one of their hits on him he said “Where am I?” Ha.

I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.

- George Burns

by BJ Kissel on Sep 5, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heisman winners are prone to being drafted by crap organizations.

Heisman winners usually play on dominant teams.

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by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

that will be an interesting game

It’s early in the conference schedule…Oct. 7
It will be in Manhattan.
Martinez may be starting for the Huskers by then.
Both teams seem to be run heavy.
Our defense is playing decent…their defense is great.
Could definitely be a grind.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just noticed...

his name is spelled Anthony Torbio on the Mothership. Good to know we know how to spell the names of our players.

by Scott Phillips on Sep 5, 2010 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Anthony Toribio

A Division II nose tackle who played in one game last year. Somehow I’m skeptical that he’s going to turn into much.

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by UCrawford on Sep 5, 2010 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

The actual point is

Toribio > Lawrence

Yes to a 3-4 Defense without a backup NT vs a 5 or 6th WR.

More chance of Toribio making a small difference

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by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

After all the playing time, parting with Lokey @ 53 and adding Toribio says KC did NOT get it done @ the nose.

Lots of fans, here, are pissed about the NT situation.

I hope this Toribio kid pans out. Picking him up after releasing Lokey says they want big more than motor.

I wouldn’t say Toribio > Lawrence, because I think that’s apples and oranges. I think it’s Toribio > Greenwood > Lokey. I don’t think the sequence of personnel moves has the same significance as you.

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by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay leave it to the Math Major :)

yet the roster spot did come down to Lawrence and somene else.
Haley told them they were competing against everybody regardless of Position.
So Toribio > everone that got cut

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by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 5, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pioli's been where others aren't.

’09 Big run on OTs? KC will wait and feed off the waiver wire.

’10 Big run on NTs? KC will wait and feed off the waiver wire.

I doubt if the strategy’s going to reap big dividends right away. All that September maneuvering in ‘09 only netted O’Callaghan. Neither of the guys Pioli burnt a pick on (Ndukwe or Alleman) stuck with the Chiefs. Maybe Pioli’s doing the same thing this year @ NT.

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by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

For all I know, they simply didn't like the values they saw @ NT.

Pioli’s pretty conservative with those high picks, avoiding downside as much as possible, and I had issues with virtually every NT who went in the first couple rounds. Sure, one or more of those guys will have very good or even great careers, but there are too many holes on this Chiefs team to risk taking a backward step in the first couple rounds.

Staying away from NT, it looks like they might’ve hit on 6 guys who will start or see significant playing time (if Sheffield’s gonna be AOK) out of this draft. This new kid they just brought in from GB at least looks like he can hold up at the point and get some push on passing plays. That’s about the minimum that this D really NEEDS from the nose, and that’s why Lokey, for all his activity, is no longer with the Chiefs.

Frankly, though, I think Crennel is going to do just fine with the guys he has. Sure, they want an all-pro NT, but my take on the preseason is they have the guys they need to get it done. I think that running up the gut against the Chiefs this year is going to be a totally different story than last year.

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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

hope so

Kinda hate to see Lokey go

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 5, 2010 9:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

but...

noone can lead block his way into the end zone without ever hitting anyone like Lokey.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

and

that’s why he’s cut!

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 5, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

and nobody can handoff quite like Palko does.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Sep 5, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. You'd've thunk he'd've known how much slower Battle was than he was.

Seriously, did he just hit the hole too early or was the exchange just a little bit slow? Fact is, there was a nice big alley there for the first down and for the TD when Lokey lined up at FB.

They really gave him every possible look. Seeing him at RDE maybe should’ve been taken as a sign that they were giving him one last chance, and he wasn’t working out at the nose. I hope he finds a home as a DT in somebody’s 4-3, playing at about 290.

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by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Surprise Here

As late as Pioli came on last year he had no chance of scouting with his people → ‘09 draft decisions dependent upon Peterson’s scouts → typical crappy Peterson draft (except Succup) → firing of scouting staff the week following the ‘09 draft → correcting the mistakes of the ’09 draft and Peterson’s scouting staff. Now it’s Pioli’s team, thank God!

by Mister Dew on Sep 5, 2010 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it's bullshit to blame CP for last years draft.

I t was Piolis job to get it right NOT Carls. Also, the 2008 draft was STELLAR! I think Herm and Carl did a pretty good job when Carl let Herm do the picking.

I’m not defending Carl Peterson cause I think he sucks as a GM and I would rather have Pioli anyday but, to blame CP for the 09 draft is a very lame sounding argument.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Sep 5, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

noone blamed Carl...just his staff ;)

either way…we weren’t prepared for the ‘09 draft. The low talent level of the team required immediate impact players which we didn’t get. We essentially lost a year of rebuilding when we couldn’t afford a year of rebuilding. But we’re through it and now things are looking up. Enjoy the ride!

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagreed.

‘09 was about laying foundations and setting the tone (creating a culture). It wasn’t about winning in ’09 (although that would be nice), but about getting a system in place that will be successful long-term.

Once you get beyond Alex Magee (who’s under intense scrutiny, now), they were making up-side picks, hoping, but not expecting great things.

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by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Sep 5, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

by Mister Dew: I think it much more likely that Pioli CAME to KC with his big board already roughed-in.

Do you really think the New England scouting department denied Pioli access the entire ‘08 season? I think it MUCH more likely that Pioli used BOTH the KC AND the New England scouting departments to provide him information, and that Pioli didn’t think much of the KC scouting reports.

One thing about the same GM running things for a very long time is institutional inertia. Even if Peterson wasn’t all that bad (perish the thought), there were bound to be a bunch of entrenched cronies, who needed to go. The one thing that Pioli had to do extra was research and hire people. And he’s no genius at that. Pioli’s (and Haley’s) genius seems to lie in the area of brutal self-honesty. It’s not that they don’t make mistakes, but that they don’t kid themselves about their mistakes.

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by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

sure, but a big board for another team's needs

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Sep 5, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep. That's probably the biggest thing, SDChief.

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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Going To Waive The B.S. Flag On Pioli's Culpability For 2009

The biggest reason that Pioli was so poorly prepared for drafting with the Chiefs is that he dragged out the hiring process so long by playing coy about whether or not he’d come here…coy by even Bill Parcells standards. Which falls on him, not on Carl Peterson’s front office. So I blame Pioli entirely for the trainwreck of a draft and don’t accept the “he had Peterson’s people” excuse. He took a month to take the job, he had time to meet the people he’d be working with…if he couldn’t work with them, then maybe he shouldn’t have taken a month to take the job. And if he couldn’t tell he’d have problems working with them, it says a lot more about Scott Pioli’s judgment than the judgment of Carl Peterson’s holdovers.

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by UCrawford on Sep 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he is responsible for the product he puts out

and the draft from 2009 isn’t looking good, but maybe I’m just giving him a break because he looks to be doing much better this year and he’s always willing to take steps to improve the team.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Sep 6, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's reasonable to take some time to think through your career choices

Really, for you, is there anything that Pioli will ever be able to do to be deemed successful in your eyes? It seems not imo.

Chiefs WILL!

by kabrink on Sep 6, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since most of what I've been saying is off topic anyway...

Who is going to be with me in Arrowhead watching us kick the $hit out of the Bolts?

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Sep 5, 2010 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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