How The Kansas City Chiefs Are Challenging The Football Gods
by Matt Conner on Sep 3, 2010 9:21 AM CDT
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PrintYeah, I know he's the Sports Guy -- as in a comedic writer who seeks to entertain first and foremost. Yet (and maybe I will lose any possible credibility here) it's interesting how often Bill Simmons is spot-on. For the uninitiated, well, you should be ashamed. Still, he's easily the most popular columnist on ESPN and he's written two best-selling books, including his latest, The Book of Basketball. Anyway, suffice to say, he's popular, but who knows whether it's right to quote him.
Still, I couldn't ignore this from his latest column:
Anyone can contend in the National Football League with two mediocre runners and a half-decent third-down back, as long as they can throw and play defense. But you can't contend in the National Football League if your QB sucks, or even if he's mediocre. The days of Trent Dilfer winning a Super Bowl are long gone.
He sets up that statement quite well -- that the quarterback was already quite important, and that was before the rule changes of the last few years. Now, it's a vital position where the teams that scramble to "try" different options every couple of years remain on the fringes and the core competitors each year are those teams that found their answer at this key position.
The way we're talking about the Chiefs set-up for the 2010 season, it's almost as if we're daring the modern football gods to a duel to see who's right. Earlier today, Joel posted that the Chiefs are banking on their running game and defense to carry them this season. Kent Babb at the Star basically said the same thing. Only time will tell. After all, if you've been around long enough, you've seen pretty much every possible philosophy of winning supported at one time or another in the NFL. The superstar quarterback who throws for 4,000 yards just happens to be the latest.
Still, it's hard to argue that last year's Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning finale wasn't built on the shoulders of their team's respective signal callers. The Broncos are banking on Tim Tebow. The Raiders are speaking hopefully because of a new acquisition in Jason Campbell. San Diego stays the division favorite each year because Philip Rivers is in the pocket. That's the nature of the NFL.
Given the question marks surrounding Matt Cassel at this point -- at least on the side of analysts and fans -- the Chiefs move forward with the two-headed beast of Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles, a slew of young playmakers and hope that the pendulum is swinging a bit toward a new direction. We'll know a lot more in 16 games.
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He gets credit for his last name
If his name were Eli Parker he’d be lumped in with the ‘average’ QB group…seriously.
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eli "Bob" Smith
All great Quarterbacks had no other talent around them, because football is primarily an individual effort. True story.
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Eli Manning isn't a great QB?
He may not be “elite”, but he’s a damn good QB, and talking semantics doesn’t change the fact that what Bill Simmons or Matt is saying is right. The last 6 QB’s in the superbowl have been Brees, Peyton, Warner, Roethlisburger, Brady and Manning. All Top 10 Type QB’s.
What I don’t like is the fact that AP refuses to believe that Cassel will never be a SB winning QB just because that fact hurts because we are starved for wins. He might have a nice year, and we might even win 8 or 9 games, but he doesn’t have “it”. Those 6 guys I mentioned earlier have “it”
by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
As I state in my post below, none of them were considered to have "it" right from the start
with the possible (very slight exception) of Roethlisburger. He got some mixed credit for being a winner, but his stats weren’t that good as the Steelers were a running team/strong D and he just had to be a “caretaker” QB. That didn’t really go away until his second Super Bowl season. He’s now considered an elite QB despite the fact that his passing stats have never been on the level with other guys on your list. And don’t forget that Brees was cut by San Diego, Warner and Brady got their jobs because the guys in front of them were injured, and Peyton, while considered a top passing QB, had the label of not being able to handle the pressure right up to the point he won his first Super Bowl. Hell, I even heard a comment on TV the other day that Peyton isn’t a true “championship” QB because his one win came against a subpar Bears team that were a fluke team to be there.
I believe there is an “it” factor, but I think it’s really hard to see until a QB is in the right situation and has a chance to prove it.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
Disagree on Big Ben...
…last year’s stats were as follows:
4328 yards, 66.7% completion, 26 TDs 12 INTs, 100.5 rating.
He has the “it” factor and the numbers to back it up. I will give you the fact that prior to last year, his stats were lower. But, I would still disagree that he was a caretaker QB.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
I think you misread my comment about Ben
My point is that NONE of the QBs mentioned now were considered to have the “it” factor with the EXCEPTION of Ben. Despite the fact he played a caretaker role in his rookie season, people thought he had the makings of being a great QB during his rookie season. I don’t think anyone would say he’s been a “caretaker QB” for a few years now, he’s a playmaker.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
You are correct...
…just re-read…my bad!
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
What we are missing about Manning
is the Plaxico factor. When Eli had his big, badass, #1 guy he did great. Since……not so much. So maybe if an average QB (Cassel) could have a great star WR (Bowe) maybe then you can do great things, but both players have to be on the same page.
Except that you are wrong, good point.
He had his best year LAST year with Steve Smith v2.0, Mario Manningham and the other scrubs in blue. Plax was already making deals with The Sisters in jail when Manning was throwing for over 4,000 yards and 30 Tds.
by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on your unit of measurement.
I would call a Super Bowl win a better season than 4000 yards…
Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?
Unit...measurement...
I’m confused – does that make Ron Jeremy a HoF QB?
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes he can't fit in anything he wants.
So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.
Not to mention he F'ed up his ankle too.
So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.
Ron Jeremy F'ed up his ankle?
Good thing he has a built in crutch
Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.
by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Zyker - That Argument Is Like Saying
Montana was only good because of Jerry Rice. Guys like Peyton Manning make average WRs into stars see Clark, Dallas and anyone not named Wayne, Reggie
by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 3, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I can agree with that.... but maybe a few less >>>s.
So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.
That's better.
So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.
Lets compare
Eli’s first two years as a starter 389 out of 754 with 30 TDs and 26 INTs. Sacked a total of 41 times. 65.6 average QB rating.
Cassel’s first two years as a starter 598 out of 1009 with 37 TDs and 27 INTs. Sacked a total of 89 times. 79.65 average QB rating.
Trust me all those greater than signs are not needed. Eli wasn’t good at all in his first two years.
Totally agree here
Eli was definitely not a great quarterback his first two years, and he really gained that status of a great quarterback based on the play of their defense… because how can a Super Bowl winning quarterback not be a “great” quarterback? But Eli didn’t get them there, and he really didn’t win it (I guess he some pretty good final drives…), it was the defense.
So no, I am not going to put this guy up on a pedestal in any way whatsoever. In my opinion:
Eli (wavy equal sign) Cassel
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
I am not sure NY ever crowned him as being a great QB
I just think that they are in the same boat. The difference is that Cassel hasn’t had as much oppertunity as Manning did. From not starting a game since High School to leading ANY team to a 11-5 record speaks volumes and most people that call him horrible forget the path that his career has taken him.
Oh sure they did
They may have taken it back now, but all sorts of people were calling Eli a great qb after they won the super bowl. Great might be a bit strong, but at least really good. A super bowl can do that.
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
Eli's got the ring
’nuff said
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
I would say that Strahan gave that ring to him
After Steve Smith made the most incredible catch in Super Bowl history.
Just sayin
Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.
Don't you mean David Tyree?
But either way, yeah. I am not giving Eli any more credit for that ring than I would give Dilfer. Sure, he’s got it and his legacy will be better than Cassel’s because of it, but we aren’t talking about legacy, we are talking about ability to play football.
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
I'm speaking if the NFL ended tomorrow. Or the world.
That might be preferable, who would want to live in an NFLless world. But yeah, I totally hope Cassel can get a full hands worth of rings. Maybe two.
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
cassel has had two years to play
did eli win his ring in 2 years……i think not
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Get real Bro
It all about the bling in the NFL. If you got the rings, nothing else matters
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
no rookie QB has the ring either
are you suggesting that we only pick QBs that have already won a SB?
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
I'd take Brees
or Peyton Manning right now. Montana sure didn’t hurt the team.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
could get pretty expensive
i guess we do have money to spare though.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Good point, though manning started his first game his rookie season and only started 7 games, and i cant remember who he played behind that season, Kurt Warner I think? Cassel didn’t start till his 4th season. Cassel went through 4 training camps, though I’m sure he didn’t get many quality reps, he spent 3 yrs behind Tom Brady on one of the best football teams during that time, and participated in practise at the NFL level for 4 years before he started. Though I totally agree with you, my point is Cassel had 4 years of NFL experience to prepare (practise, training camps, team meetings, film study), Manning came in fresh from college, I think that would have to be put into consideration when comparing those first 2 seasons.
what i don't like is the fact that cassel
has had only 1 sub par year, and yet everyone refuses to believe that he ever will. i myself don’t know if he’ll ever pan out, but i do know that one mediocre year is not a basis for judgment.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
True, but one medicore year and one mediocre preseason at 63million is worthy of speculation
16-0 here we come!!!!
that's why i said i don't know if he'll pan out
i just think most people that complain about cassel are being overly critical way too soon. i have as many doubts as the next guy, but i think that he has just as much a chance at being great as the next guy and am content with just bashing my head into the wall when he does something bone headed till i forget what he did so i can go on blindly loving the guy. at least until next year that is.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
agree, and I think he has just as much of a chance because of his clutch gene
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
yep and not only that, but I hope people actually read this below
ELI MANNING was getting the SAME treatment as cassel the year before their super bowl run…why? because his WR’s dropped around 45 footballs….that sure can hurt your cause, and evidently it hurt his that year…
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Most teams are being built to pass and defend the pass.
A running attack may be more effective against these smaller, quicker secondaries. Until Cassel steps up his numbers, we really don’t have a choice but to run the ball. If our running game is converting 3rd downs, and Cassel doesn’t have to be a hero, we might have a chance to win a few games.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
Truly great QB's are nice to have. No doubt.
Unfortunately, there’s only about 5 or 6 that fall into that category at any given time. That leaves a whole lot of other teams with what’s left…good, decent, average, a body taking the snaps, and wtf?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Half of the QBs in the league are below average.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
...and those teams will never be in a Superbowl with the way the League is today.
by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong wrong wrong wrong...
I normally agree with most of what you say, but this is just not true. The Giants in 2007 are a prime example of this- Eli Manning that year threw for about 3300 years with 23 tds to 20 ints, with a qb rating of 73.9!!! That made him the 25th best qb in the nation that year. Below the likes of our own Damon Huard, Brian Griese, Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington and several other scrub ass qbs. Defense can still win you championships. Period.
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
Ok, you have me there.
I’d argue that is the “Exception to the rule” rather than “The rule”.
Rex Grossman is another name, but the Bears and Giants teams that were in the SB had special defenses.
by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the real change is that you don't HAVE to have a top defense to win an SB anymore
I think the old truism that “Defense wins championships” is no longer true. Top notch offenses and an average defense is now just as likely to win. That’s why the QB position is looking more important than ever.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
I will agree with that
I didn’t see any defense in the league last year that compared to those teams. And I will definitely agree that the trend is moving towards “aerial attacks win championships” vs. the old “defense wins championships”… but a good d coupled with a solid running attack and a mediocre qb can still win a championship, thats my point.
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
I would also add the cautionary note that almost every QB started off unimpressive
Peyton Manning was being called a bust his rookie year and his ability to “win it all” was questioned right up to the point he won a Super Bowl. Brady wasn’t given a lot of credit until he won his second Super Bowl. Trent Green was dubbed Tr-INT by our beloved Mr. Whitlock and viewed as a failure.
Cassel has to prove he can be a top notch QB, but we aren’t going to know until at least the end of this season. I’ve not seen anything yet that says he won’t be. He’s kept his cool despite being put into an almost impossible situation last year. The running game and an improved line should give him a chance to develop his game. If he’s going to be a guy who can lead us to a championship, we should get start to see some hints of it this year.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
What!?!?!?
The difference between Manning (either one), Tom Brady, and Trent Green is that those guys were big-time quarterbacks for big-time college programs. All of those guys proved they could win, the proved they could hold a locker room together. They proved they had the intangibles to lead a winning program.
Matt Cassel proved he can hold a clipboard, really well, for eight years. His entire career has been based on “potential”. That he has the potential to be a good quarterback, but the fact is he should be a development project. The question you as Chiefs fans have to ask yourselves is are you willing to wait for Matt Cassel to mature while the rest of our team is starting to excel around him.
I personally have made the decision that I am not willing to wait on him. If he shows us he can be a serviceable quarterback, great, but don’t think he can. His reads are slow, his delivery is slow, and his decision making is suspect at best. Brody Croyle may be a china doll, but he is a great quarterback, unfortunately he cannot take a hit. Was bringing in Cassel the wrong idea? No of course not, Croyle is unreliable, but that doesn’t make Cassel the solution. So I am all for cutting our loses and Drafting a young guy, who is a proven collegiate winner and let Wies have his way with him!
So call me a hater but this clown is nothing more than a stop-gap for the Chiefs, time to draft a real quarterback!!
by Stone Throwers on Sep 3, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Steve Young of the 49ers also held a clipboard for 8 years.
But he turned out to be a terrible starting QB, right?
"Speed...(long pause)....Kills." -- Lenny Dawson (on JC)
Don't compare Steve Young to Casshole
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why not?
It makes sense if you’re looking for a guy who didn’t have success early but had success later on with a more talented team.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Stone Throwers hits the nail on the head
Young finished his 3 seasons with 592 pass completions for 7,733 yards and 56 touchdowns, along with 1,048 rushing yards and 18 touchdowns on the ground. He was enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame in 2001.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Young
Young finished his 3 seasons with 592 pass completions for 7,733 yards and 56 touchdowns, along with 1,048 rushing yards and 18 touchdowns on the ground. He was enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame in 2001.
OK now you show me Cassel’s college stats!?! Oh that’s right he doesn’t have any. This is exactly my point. Cassel has never been a high profile starter. He needs to learn how to make quick reads, progessions, things that come with starting and playing in countless games, and the bigger the game the bigger the pressure the better the quarterback. Young’s eight years was learning how to practice at an NFL level and how to prepair, the winning was already there. Cassel is the exact opposite. The kid can work, no one is questioning that, but his winning ablility has not been developed and that is what I don’t want to wait for.
by Stone Throwers on Sep 3, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
And Young was incredible his first year in the NFL
I recall how he led the Tampa Bay Bucs to a Super Bowl his rookie season in the league. Yes, great QBs are great from the start. 3-16 as a starter with 11 TDs and 21 interceptions.
Look, there isn’t some sort of formula for getting a great QB. If there was everyone would have one.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
Look,
I have no issues with developing quarterbacks, infact, I am all for it. Unfortunatly there are some quarterbacks that are not worth developing. Any you need to have someone to help develop those Quarterbacks. We are lucky to have Wies, but it also takes someone showing you how to win, to develop and then you expect to see messured progress.
Look at Cassel, four years in college coached by Pete Carroll (a QB coach), Offense Coordinated by Norm Chow (a QB Coach) Two stellar college QB’s ahead of him to learn from. Get Drafted to the NFL by the Patriots coached by Josh McDaniels (a QB coach) and gets to learn behind Tom Brady. And for all that coaching and mentoring this is what we get?!?! This guy will never develop into the guy people want him to be.
by Stone Throwers on Sep 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep all we got was a guy that went 11-5 in his first season as a starting QB
by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey I hope your right...
I would love to be wrong, but I think that year was more Steve Beuerlein in ’99 than the start of something great. But I would never be happier to be wrong.
by Stone Throwers on Sep 3, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't pay someone 63 Million dollars to develop them
They damn well better be developed
16-0 here we come!!!!
it's funny you say that...
Leaf… or should be start calling you Ryan :)
by Stone Throwers on Sep 3, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
nice someone noticed
i use the symbol for the Hidden Leaf Village, because there aren’t many cool pics of a leaf out there. i actually use the name leaf because it references a book i’ve been trying to write. incase anyone was wondering.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
maybe
but at the time of cassel’s contract, it wasn’t uncomon to gamble big money on a QB. and cassel was less of a gamble than most collage stars, as he proved he could win in the NFL. too many expected great QBs never pan out. true cassel has yet proved he can win constantly, but he’s more likely to pan out than a rookie.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
maybe not
but looking at the first few years of many great QBs shows that he could. anyone that says that he’ll never be good are wrong. anyone that says he’ll be great are wrong as well. the truth is, there is no way of telling at this point in cassels career what he’ll become.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
I think it's too early to make that call
which is the most common mistake people make with young QBs. I think Cassel was put into one of the most difficult positions a QB could be put into last year. He didn’t make a lot of the mistakes that QBs that DON’T make tend to do (point fingers, go into a shell, etc.). He showed a lot of guts and kept fighting every week. While that’s not the same as showing you’re a top QB, it’s a necessary part of what it takes to BECOME a top QB. Only time will tell, but it’s way too early to deem that Cassel isn’t going to become a top QB.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
why is it that you are acting like this season is already over
i think even the cassel supporters would say that he has to show improvement this year. the biggest problem with drafting a QB to replace him, is the fact that the draftee will take another 2-3 years to become great, if at all. most elite QBs don’t come out swinging. cassel needs to show improvement, but his is 2 years ahead of any rookie that we draft; 3 by the end of the season. drafting a rookie will set our QB position back. so the only way it’s really worth not waiting, is if cassel show’s absolutely no improvement this year, or regresses. he’s going to be our QB this year, so you should at least give him this year to prove if he’s got it our not.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Oh, your right...
That is why i refer to Cassel as stop-gap. But I would rather put 2-3 years into developing a 22 year old guy than 2-3 more years into a guy who hits 30 before he’s decent.
by Stone Throwers on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
true he'll be older
but he also will have taken far less abuse than most QBs at 30; and that plays a part in the longevity of any QB. true if he keeps taking sacks the way he dose, his body will catch up very quickly, but for the time being he is ahead of the curve.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
I guess we'll see you next season then.
And I guess we should have Jamarcus Russell then – after all he was a championship college QB. It doesn’t get any better than that. And Warner went to that college football bastion, Northern Iowa. And Favre went to U of South Miss, that Conf USA powerhouse. But being a hater tends to make people irrational.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
If you don't want to wait for a QB to mature
then Carl Peterson was your ideal GM. That was certainly the way he viewed things. But all the guys you touted took time to mature. If you’re not willing to let a QB mature, you’re looking for a miracle, not a QB.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
I hope between Jones, Charles, DexMex, and Battle
We run the ball 50 times a game.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Dexmex, lol...
Can you say that with me y’all? A-doh-bee…
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya well
What do you know about football, you Pac-10 homer.
From what I saw last night, WAC>Pac-10
by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
True SC's gotta cover that spread
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Kind of made a blueprint on how to beat them.
Pass, and pass often.
by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
NOOO WAY
Pac 10 is so much deeper than the Pac 10. With the exception of the division 2 WSU cougars, the Pac 10 goes 8 deep. They are lacking that major National Champion contender but blame Reggie Bush for that. But Oregon, OSU, Stanford, USC, Arizona, Cal, UCLA and WASHINGTON are solid
Pac 10= CONFERNCE OF CHAMPIONS!
Got to think my Ducks are gonna take the crown again this year
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
pac 10 is getting utah now
maybe they’ll be decent next year :p
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
I have to say
I don’t hate that idea.
I’m assuming you’re including short screens and passes to the flat as runs? Because of so, I bet we could get away with Cassel throwing about 8 REAL passes a game (4 to Bowe, 4 to Chambers).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Say what you will about him but I've now watched Jimmy Clausen play in the NFL and he looks like a great pickup for the Panthers.
So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.
No cred lost
I’ve been reading sports guy for about 10 years and he definitely knows his basketball and to a lesser extent football
by xchiefsx on Sep 3, 2010 10:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
No cred lost
I’ve been reading sports guy for about 10 years and he definitely knows his basketball and to a lesser extent football
by xchiefsx on Sep 3, 2010 10:01 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
No cred lost
I’ve been reading sports guy for about 10 years and he definitely knows his basketball and to a lesser extent football
by xchiefsx on Sep 3, 2010 10:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
No cred lost
I’ve been reading sports guy for about 10 years and he definitely knows his basketball and to a lesser extent football
by xchiefsx on Sep 3, 2010 10:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
No cred lost
I’ve been reading sports guy for about 10 years and he definitely knows his basketball and to a lesser extent football
by xchiefsx on Sep 3, 2010 10:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
At least he's consistant.
So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.
No cred lost
I’ve been reading sports guy for about 10 years and he definitely knows his basketball and to a lesser extent football
by xchiefsx on Sep 3, 2010 10:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Stupid blackberry
I do need a new phone
by xchiefsx on Sep 3, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you do, let me know where that toilet is
I need an upgrade for mine
Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.
We can become middle of the road..
without a strong QB, which would be a major improvement from the recent past. But we’ll need a strong QB to move forward from there. Might be Cassel but going with him not being our long term future.
I think Cassel can "hold the reigns" for a few years, at worst
Maybe we’ll draft Andrew Luck & let him figure out the NFL on the bench for a couple seasons, then unleash him on the NFL once the team around him is “complete”.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I think if matt cassel cant have a good year this year, im not sure if he ever will
Dwayne Bowe looks great this offseason, he is a top 15 WR in this league, Chris Chambers is a top 35 WR in this league, and McCluster is in the top 5 slot WR’s in this league. Tony Moeaki should be enough as far as receiving TE with the WR’s we already have.
Note: We have only had one first team WR drop pass that I clearly remember, and that was McCluster on the flat route, so kick that excuse out of the window
The OL isnt the best in the league by any means, but Berger and Rogers have been in the top tier of QB’s with worser OL’s and running games than Cassel. He has one of the best running games in football. If he is not putting solid stats up, idk if he ever can be for this franchise
Hmmm
Dwayne Bowe looks great this offseason, he is a top 15 WR in this league…
Possibly. I certainly wouldn’t be surprised. But after last year, I need to see him do it when it counts before anointing him.
Chris Chambers is a top 35 WR in this league…
That sounds about right.
…and McCluster is in the top 5 slot WR’s in this league.
I don’t know that I’d go that far. He’s certainly got the potential to be, but he hasn’t dazzled me out of the slot in the preseason. He’s definitely made some dynamic plays out of the backfield and on special teams, and I think it’s highly likely that he’s a top 5 slot receiver this year, but I wouldn’t put him there just yet. Until he starts doing it in games, he’s not Wes Welker or Percy Harvin.
by MtHammer on Sep 3, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling everyone will be eating their crows
This is amazing. The Cassel hate is bothersome. Give the man some time. 1 Year in NE, 1 Year in KC. Give the man a break. We’re talking about drafting already.. Sheesh
how ironic?
Chiefs start 4-0. Yes the colts lose to us. BOLD
Its not hate, it's worry
Big difference
What we said about LJ last year, that was hate :)
16-0 here we come!!!!
by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great way to put it!
I think on my list of worries about this year it’s Defense, closely followed by Cassel, then injuries, then everything else is way back there.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
i look at it like this
We are kinda like the jets last year. Just a downgraded version. We have a better running game, better wrs, and a better qb and we are in a weaker division. That said our defense is not nearly as good. We have alotta hope but nothing proven. If our d can step up to top 12 or better we could easily win 10 games, limit turnovers, run the fuckin ball 40 times a game and our schedule is pretty good we should get atleast 2 wins but possibly 4 out of the nfc west add 3 more wins minimum from our division plus a couple here and there and we have chance at 9 and 7. Hopefully the football gods are on our side this year.
by BiiG_C on Sep 3, 2010 10:40 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm definitely encouraged...
We, without a doubt, have THE best running back line up in the league…
Between JC, TJ, DMC and Battle, we can move the ball. Period. We will run the ball down teams throats, and just when they get so tired of it that they stack 8 and 9 guys in the box, they will be burned with play action. You KNOW that’s what’s coming. The Chiefs haven’t shown their entire hand on offense obviously. The NFL and it’s fan base will be stunned at how effective the Chiefs are going to be implementing a strong rushing attack and a West Coast offense. And to carry the offense…
We have the defense. THEY ARE FOR REAL. Strong showing all throughout the preseason. The ATL game: good offense, and we essentially held them to a field goal. The TB game: held a Jones fumble to a FG, Flowers whiffed on a TD pass. Aside from that we looked good. The PHI game: Superb showing from a defense that was on the field for a very long time. They held long enough for the offense to get their shit together. Last year we would have imploded in situations like that and been looking at a 20 point deficit at the half. The GB game: The first team didn’t allow a single first down. Yeah, it was mostly a lot of 2nd team offense… but you kind of expect good defenses to absolutely shut down bad offenses… NOT ONE FIRST DOWN… that’s incredible improvement.
Good running game + Good defense = playoffs. I’m not buying into this “the NFL is a passing league, blah, blah, blah” crap. Rushing + defense is a tried and true approach to being a good team. For over 40 years that has been the formula. it’s not going to just become obsolete all of a sudden.
Now, as for whether or not we are really that good at running and defending remains to be seen, but early returns look very, very promising.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 3, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
I agree with most of what you say buuut...
We have THE MOST talented RB group in the NFL. There is little argument about that but the depth of our O-line, actually the quality of our O-line scares me. They cannot pass block and once the reserves come in I don’t know what we are gonna get.
I am amazed by our D thus far and think that those saying Romeo being the key addition are right. My only concern here is NT and Tyson Jackson… If they step up we are pretty scary.
Lastly, I think the comparisons to Eli are correct. I remember 2-3 years into his career I thought he was a bum. His offense didn’t move when he was on the field, no accuracy and I thought he was a straight up bust. Buuut, QB’s don’t need to be incredible to be affective, and Eli (cue cliche) played within himself and got the job done. Ala Big Ben, Flacco. Once Cassel discovers to play within himself and the team plays solid around him we are gonna be fine. The big disadvantage he has is he only has 2 years playing experience since HS. Let’s let him figure it out, he obviously has some tools
I agree with most of what you said, but....
not the part about the oline. They are a much improved unit this year, and I think that is evidenced by the fact that no one is sitting here posting about question marks on the offensive line, its been all about Cassel. Like all of it.
Cassel had some decent time at several points throughout last nights game… yeah he took a licking or two, and there is obviously room for improvment, but its night and day compared with this time last year. And these guys can get out there and block… they look really good in the run game.
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
Your observation on the OL...
Is why I say we’re going to implement a pretty good West Coast Offense.
Run to set up the pass, and all indications show that the OL is pretty good at run blocking. Then dink and dunk them down the field, and occasionally use a nice play action to set up a deep pass… like here… and here… we’re just built for that style of offense. Our RBs can catch, and we have 2 receivers that can get big YAC from short passes in Bowe and DMC.
I’m ok with the OL. They’re obviously much improved over last year. They’re still not perfect, but a lot of their deficiencies can be masked by good game planning and stunting the defense with play action and short passes.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 3, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
not worried about cassel to the extent others are...look at eli...his wr's dropped over 40 footballs...the next year he goes to the super bowl
if cassel can go 22-12 td/int and manage the game…im happy
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
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