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Focus Turns To Matt Cassel As Chiefs Wrap Up Win Over Packers

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The Kansas City Chiefs finally got their preseason win beating the Green Bay Packers by a score of 17-13. After the game, it appears RB Jackie Battle is a lock to make the roster, the defensive line seems to be getting better and the running backs are, as we thought, pretty freakin' awesome.

And then there's Matt Cassel.

Star-divide

On Friday morning following Thursday night's game, his 4-of-9 for 58 yards performance has generated....no excitement.

"Let’s all acknowledge the insignificance of preseason games, but at the very least Cassel missed a chance to get the fan base excited and the locker room confident," writes Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star. "While Aaron Rodgers didn’t even suit up for Green Bay, the Chiefs gave Cassel three series and saw mostly dinks and dunks and slow reads."

Indeed it was the receivers doing the work. Dwayne Bowe had 30 of those 58 yards and Cassel's throw went about ten feet on a slant across the middle and 19 more from Jamaal Charles in the flat.

Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star writes, "The Chiefs learned what they have, but one question the team didn’t answer was whether it has a quarterback it can believe in — especially as other parts of the offense seem to be improving."

The Chiefs and even Cassel himself have hinted that the full playbook hasn't been available. That would imply that there's more to come. But even with the partial playbook, we haven't seen Cassel open the field up.

That was his biggest problem in 2009. Why wouldn't they work on that in preseason?

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I would guess it might have something to do with spies....

within our division.

"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."
~ last words of Francisco ("Pancho") Villa ~

by TheK-man on Sep 3, 2010 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Or the fact...

That Matt Cassel is an TERRIBLE Quarterback!!!!!!

by Stone Throwers on Sep 3, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

have faith

he just needs to get the job done. doesn’t need to be perfect but get it done when it needs done.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Sep 3, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

let me guess... we should start Palko?

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

there's a new point...

haven’t heard anyone make the case for him :)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 3, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, terrible is Jake Delhomme circa 2009

Cassel doesn’t make great plays, but he doesn’t make terrible mistakes either. He’s a game manager that needs great players around him. Fortunately, he has a few of those.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 3, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd be perfectly happy

with Cassel as an efficient game-manager.

by Aesthetist on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clarified...

“potential” great players.

2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...

by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 3, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is going to end up being the only thing

holding the offense back this season

Those were the good ole days... wait I wasn't alive then

by bww51689 on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that, in itself, would be a huge step forward.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 3, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about Cass

But I do know that INT wasn’t his fault. Bowe clearly ran a short route, resulting in an overthrow.

by Schefdawg on Sep 3, 2010 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

No

He was running a hook and cassel thought he was going inside. That was either both there faults or one of them didn’t know the play then its on the QB to rip his reciever a new one for running the wrong route. Either way it is Cassel’s fault in the end. He has not taken over this team. If a WR did that to Manning he would jump down his throught. Cassel is a wimp and is scared to.

Offical member of the Eric Berry Fan Club

by mysonmylife on Sep 3, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't think there is a huge need to go deep as much as everyone wants him to.

Hopefully in the regular season its play action that opens it up further down field. What’s more important is turnovers. He had the one pick when Bowe slipped and a fumble lost. If he can control that and taking sacks on second down, he should be fine.

Still think the no huddle is when we looked our best through the pre season.

by zyker on Sep 3, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions  

absolutely

They should be opportunistic, but they don’t need to try slinging it all over the field… “do what you do”

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 3, 2010 8:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

plus with our speed and ability at RB we don't need a gunslinger

just someone to lead on the field and manage the game. I would like to see him more vocal on the field though.

by zyker on Sep 3, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, no huddle shotgun formations are where Cassel is at his best

Honestly, other than for play-action passes, what is the need to ever run formations under center anyway? Cassel looks SO much more comfortable out of the shotgun.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 3, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

and it is prolly one of the reasons he was successful the year with NE

Great supporting cast helps, but he did a LOT of shotgun that year.

by zyker on Sep 3, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

I hope they’ll go with that this year too. Accept that you can’t run the play-action and go with the shotgun formations 90% of the time to allow Cassel to gain confidence in himself. THEN if he can establish himself they can slowly work in the other formations. That’s how I’d do it anyway.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 3, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can't have a team predicated on the run use the shotgun 90% of the time

The Shotgun formation is for passing. It severly limits the running game. You are basically limited to running a draw. The Chiefs’ 3 most explosive players are all RB’s. If your QB limits how they can be used, you have a MAJOR problem.

Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Chiefs use the Pistol which led the NCAA in rushing last year in Nevada

Nevada used the Pistol to field 3 1,000 yard rushers last year, the first time in NCAA history. The Pistol is well-equipped for runs.

by Dagda on Sep 3, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Emphasis on NCAA

“The Pistol” should be added to the things that should never be spoken of again along we he who shall not be named.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Chiefs used the Pistol when Gailey was here

When the hell did you see the Pistol run this preseason?

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please include

Urban had two drops on the first drive, So Cassel should’ve been 6-9 for at least 73 yds.

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Sep 3, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I didn't get to see that

were they blatant drops by Urban or somewhat Cassel’s fault?

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

then he should get cut

he hasn’t done anything and had his opportunity.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah I was pissed

we would of had a first down on both of them. Urban had room to run.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

damn internet feeds and tornadoes last night!

I missed both TD’s but finally got to watch the 3rd and 4th Quarters. Was nice to see a win!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was upset too

Because I knew that him catching those passes may have saved us from yet another week of “does Cassel suck?” conversations.

Those throws were fine.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

No way

The first one was overthrown definitely not Urbans fault. The second one was behind him he probably shoulda caught it but it wasn’t a “good” pass by any means. Come on guys its like sometimes we wear a cloak over our face just because we’re scared that that is our starting QB and Urban isn’t that relavent its easy to say cut Urban.

by Tmac1166 on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry man, I just watched the replay of the first throw

5 times. He should have caught that first pass. He was way late getting his hands up, and he batted the ball up with them instead of, you know, catching it. It was maybe a foot (if that) above his head, nowhere near the realm of overthrown. Overthrown is when a receiver can barely get a couple of fingers on it and has no chance, or has to dive.

The 2nd, there is no “probably” about it. It was a very catchable ball, he just dropped it because he saw the defender closing in to hit him.

When the ball hits your hands, it’s your fault you didn’t catch it. That happened in both cases.

Trust me, I’m no Cassel apologist. If he doesn’t improve (and rather significantly) this year, I say get rid of him. And I’ll tell you flat out that he makes some really terrible throws. Those two, however, were on Urban.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a point that I haven't seen made, which I thought people would notice

Urban may have cost himself (hopefully) a roster spot.

Both of those throws should have been caught, and those drops resulted in a 3 and out.

Bowe’s was tougher, but it was a pretty well thrown ball that should’ve been caught.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 3, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the choice is between him & Horne

It’s gotta be Horne who keeps his job. Though if they both can make the roster I’m not opposed to keeping Urban around, he’s big and supposedly pretty fast.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 3, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I definitely wanted Horne over Urban before last night

Horne really hurt himself, with an attempt an a Dante Hallish move that highlighted a real lack of speed. Then to run into the other guy trying to field the kick off. Horne was all over punt coverage last week. And I had visions of him “stretching the field” as a receive based on an early preseason play. But he looked slow and not very smart last night. Coaches will take the entire preseason into account, but last night hurt.

by sunny D on Sep 3, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I hated that.

Wound up losing 12 yards because he turned around and ran the other way. I said, after that play, that he just lost his job. We’ll see if I’m right.

by JacinB on Sep 3, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget.

The reason why Urban is here is because he dropped a ball in the Cards play-off game last year that would’ve given them a shot at a return-trip to the Super Bowl. It’s not like he doesn’t have a “history” of this.

by JacinB on Sep 3, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, no.

We’re discussing Horne and Urban. Keep up with us.

by JacinB on Sep 3, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a joke

For all the people blaming dropped passes on Cassel.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, man.

Long day at work. Should’ve used the sarcasm font. ;)

by JacinB on Sep 3, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

One deep ball...

that Bowe could have caught, hit him in the hands, would have been difficult however the the DB hands obstructing his view.

by BringTheDBack on Sep 3, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought that

ball was on the money

Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!

by XtaC69Chief on Sep 3, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

pretty close

Bowe did have to let up at the last second, so maybe a TINY bit underthrown, but not a bad deep ball.

"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda

Kool Aid Rocks!!!!

by KCporkchop on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

That and the DB was face rapeing Bowe.... yeah, I kinda lost it for a second when I saw that.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

face palm

Can we talk about something else?

How about roster cuts?

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 3, 2010 8:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

sounds good Im game!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks, buddy

I just don’t know what we can say about Cassel that wasn’t said in the 27 Cassel-related posts this week.

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 3, 2010 8:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

haha yeah I know

I can see how people are worried though, he is our starter and should be doing better, but overall Im not going to bash him because honestly not all the problems are directly his fault.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh my, what a slippery slope we have before us

Once again, I saw too many balls thrown behind the receiver. Communication issues? Bad routes? I’m not liking the few trends that actually are consistent this preseason.

I am a realist. At the risk of sounding wishy-washy, I’ll even admit I’m a pessimist. I find myself agreeing with many of the pundits this morning in their assessment of this team’s preseason. It’s clear what we have everywhere else, but the QB position is unknown and uncomfortable for lack of a better word.

At the end of the day, we have to ask ourselves how Cassel’s supporting cast has looked. If there were dropped balls, exactly who was it? If there were miscues, again, who was it on? How have the known starters (studs) performed?

At what point are there no more excuses? Perhaps never. Of course, every circumstance is different.

Ultimately, this is simply another “Will Cassel Work?” post. That said, with the preseason over, and the opener looming, ask yourself – where do you still have doubts about this team? The answer to that will surely be varied, but do you truly feel comfortable about our QB situation?

Despite the homerism, regardless of the kool-aid, this is simply not a position you want to have this level of doubt about. For some, there may be no doubt. For what I perceive to be the majority, this is our biggest question mark.

Too long, didn’t read version: Cassel has to show it now. Attention Jo-Jo Dancer, you’re life is calling…

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

your not you're my lord...

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

honestly Im not worried about the QB position

NT, LB, OL yes, but for some reason not worried about Cassel. We are going to score, he is going to play better sometimes than others but Im not ultimately worried or focused on his performance. Now if it actually loses us a game due to his incompetence then yes I may start paying attention to it some more, but until then I dont think its all his fault.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also do not feel every bad play he involved in is squarely on him

I simply note it’s consistently the same issues: drops, timing and accuracy. If I had to categorize it all into one lump sum it would be: communication.

It just seems to be something is going on. Why do we consistently have the same problems in the passing game, when the one constant is Cassel? All our receivers are truly just that bad? That may very well be the case…

I really try to avoid “doom and gloom” tones (hard in this format to convey tone), but you seriously have to wonder why it’s consistently the same issues – drops and miscues: are these always the receiver’s fault?

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

no your right

they are not always the recievers fault. But the majority of drops yesterday were their fault.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

At the end of the day I love the kid

He’s our guy, and I’ll support him through thick and thin. I put up with 2.7 for HOW long?

There’s some perspective, heh.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

Im going to stick with him until he is the deciding factor in numerous defeats. If it is blatantly clear after a string of defeats that he is the reason, then I will lobby for a new QB. Until then I keep pulling for him. And yes on the 2.7, his jersey still hangs in my closet, albeit banished to the dark depths of the back of the closet, I still sometimes see him spiking the Chiefs flag into the endzone.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow we coud be brothers

BOTH my 2.7 jerseys hang in the dungeon (yep, home and away – I supported him that much once upon a time). It will be hard for me to ever buy a player jersey ever again to be honest.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

I went ahead and bought Cassel home and away’s last year! Now with the NFL shop my wife bought me a custom Berry T-shirt. I still rock the Priest Holmes from time to time, and the DT jersey is hanging there in the closet with the tag still on it. I will never wear it again, wore it once on the day he was inducted into the HOF, and after I move its going into a case with his autographed football card.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same old story

I dont care how much “we stretch the field” as long as we are moving the ball and putting points up. We can have the most boring offense in the NFL for all I care as long as we can put together drives. If it takes dunking the ball and its working keep doing it. Why fix something that isnt broke?

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't mind a boring offense either..

Especially if your Defense plays exciting, tough, fast and strong.

I want a championship team in KC.

I'm a MU fan..And so is the guy in my picture in yellow w/his arms raised high while surrounded by all blue.

by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Sep 3, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind either, BUT

it becomes very tough to move the ball (even in boring manner) if there is no threat of a vertical game. If the safeties can move up in the box, it will be tough to generate any offense at all.

Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?

by BinSC on Sep 3, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does it look like we're having any issue at all running the ball?

We have run all over every team we’ve played this season. Cassel not throwing the deep ball likely isn’t going to change that come regular season. Our backfield is just far too dynamic.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

that should say "preseason" not season.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just like us,

other teams have not game planned. If pre-season means nothing for us, it doesn’t mean anything for other teams either. I’m not saying we can’t run in the regular season, I’m saying it is a lot tougher to do without a threat of passing down field. When that happens, the defense dictates what you do.

It’s funny how when we look really good at something in pre-season, fans think we will be awesome, but if we look bad at something, it’s “just” the pre-season.

Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?

by BinSC on Sep 3, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh, good point

I was going to point out the same thing, about the running game getting tougher in the regular season, but hadn’t thought of your last point. Makes a lot of sense, though I’m a Cassel guy.

I do think they’ll have to stretch the field somewhat, or both the running game and the dinks and dunks will become more difficult. Plus, it’s really difficult to sustain drives in the NFL, three downs at a time. It’s asking a lot of your offense to keep converting 3rd downs.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haley REALLY wants to win this season.

He also has a way of keeping his cards next to his chest (not that he had much in the way of a hole card LAST season). I think he likes throwing down the field as much or more than the next guy, but was in NO hurry to show just what KC could do before the games counted.

The MNF game will tell us quite a bit about what the main plan is. The preseason has told us quite a bit about individual players, but not a whole lot about how the team concept will eventually manifest.

What’s exciting to me is that there are quite a few players I’ve been WAITING to see develop, who actually appear to be developing! But we’ll know more about their real status after season start.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is funny actually...

But there are few things about this team that I am ready to confidently say will be good. The running game may be the only thing, so I will stick up for it here. Our offensive line has looked much improved this preseason (and towards the end of last season as well if you want to get some regular season in the mix), and our stable of backs is fairly rediculous.

I know that nobody is game planning, but that goes both ways- our offense isn’t game planning either, and we are running with a totally vanilla playbook. So while I agree with you that the deep pass definitely will open up the run, I am saying that I don’t think we are going to NEED the deep pass to be an effective running team.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that to compete with mediocre to bad teams

we will run with no problem. If we want to compete with SD, Indy, Pats, etc. we need the long ball. Good teams can take away one dimension easily. And while I think the OL has done a good job of run blocking, I also wonder if the lack of deep passing is because of concerns in being able to protect Cassel for more than 2 seconds. Hard to tell.

I’m not an anti-Cassel guy, just hasn’t proved anything on the field yet with KC and that needs to happen before we can move much farther as a good team.

Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?

by BinSC on Sep 3, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel had some time last night

So I won’t use that as an excuse for him. And I really don’t disagree with you at all, I think that we will need the long ball in order to beat good teams, I really think that there is no getting around it. I just don’t think the success of our running game hinges on it.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think that not going deep in the preseason was partially by design

The chiefs offense kept running a few sets of plays throught each preseason game. The defense only ran a few blitz plays.
  I think this is all by design not to give a whoie lot to san diego. This may just be a personal opinion but I truly believe that we haven’t seen a lot of the offense yet.

Now onto cassel:
  Cassel’s stats shud have been better if a certain reciever didn’t drop the ball like twice in a row.
  His interception wasn’t entirely his fault. Bowe either cut his route short or slipped making his cut. Cassel threw the ball where bowe shud have been on that timing route.
   I’m not trying to make excuses for cassel, however I don’t think that he’s been as bad as a lot of people think.

by chiefs8288 on Sep 3, 2010 8:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Why not comment on something good about the kid for a change maybe get behind him at least going into the season.

If we go into the season and its the same problem then sure bring up questions about him but lets not throw him under the bus before one meaningful game is even played.

Why doesn’t Babb write about something like his excellent red zone efficiency. Yes we need to get to the red zone more often but hard to argue with his abilities inside the 20 and that’s a huge advantage to our team. Just ask Cowboy and Bear fans about that.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 8:12 AM CDT reply actions  

He is a great example to follow as a template for hard work and perseverance

He seems to have a short memory, and doesn’t appear to let negative plays affect him much – if at all.

He plays a difficult game at a level everyone here can only dream about.

He the Kansas City Chiefs starting Quarterback.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's ridiculous. It's his job to make observations about the team.

Just look at what he says about the RB’s. Cassel is a question mark. He would be a bad journalist if he didn’t bring up the questions surrounding the guy.

He didn’t blast Cassel. He simply stated the facts. Matt hasn’t thrown the ball more than 10 yards effectively all pre-season. He was horrible last season. The coach still likes him a lot. Fans have a lot of questions that can turn into doubt.

That’s not being a pessimist, that’s being a journalist.

Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you have to always report the question marks and problems to be a journalist?

It’s constant negativity from the paper. I’m not asking for Koolaid I’m asking for balanced reporting. Trent Green is a perfect example of how it should be done. No he is not a reporter but during games he offers a perfect balance between the good and the bad of the team and I think that appeals to listeners/readers a whole lot more then ragging on the same question marks constantly.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your telling me that the fact that a starting NFL QB hasn't thrown downfield in 4 games is not a story?

And how is it not balance. Is Babb somehow misleading the reader about all of Cassel’s conquests?

He’s just reporting what he sees. The fact that we’ve been talking about this since the 3rd preseason game shows that the fans, at least some of them, have a question mark. God knows I do.

Babb just voiced what I’ve been feeling better than I could. I have doubts about Cassel. Not ready to give up, but I definitely have questions about him.

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im not saying there arent question marks.

I have questions just like everyone else.

Just saying all this has been said over and over and I can’t remember the last good report on Cassel so no there is no balance.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

What has he done to deserve a positive report?

Handed off to Charles? Checked down to his 3rd option?

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well hes had us winning the last 2 games when he left the game

against 2 really good defenses, I would say that is doing something

by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has not gotten in the way the last 2 games, not the same thing

Against vanilla defenses that weren’t watching tape on him/game planning for his underneath throws.

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I stated in my original post.

Go back and look at the guys Red Zone efficiency, even from last season. Also you argue that it was against vanilla defense but he could be playing a vanilla offense and is doing exactly what is asked of him.

Im not hellbent on defending him because i question his ability as much as anyone else but you’re making your arguments based on alot of unknowns and assumptions. Just playing devils advocate. How about we let him play one real game and see.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

He played 15 real games. We have tape

And that’s what’s worrisome, same shite, different season.

He obviously has some skills. And like it or not, here we go. I rooted for Elvis “Douchebag” Grbac and had high hopes. I’ll root for Cassel too. Here’s to hoping you’re right.

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's actually played 31 real games.

Can’t just pick and choose your proof.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone else see who is always around Haley?

Shaun Smith. That guy is always in the camera shot clapping and rooting on his team mates, I like his style.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

He's fun

At camp he was VERY vocal, joking and trying to make bets on the different drills. He was attached to Haley quite a bit when we were there, also watching him warm up stretch and run is funny, boy is pretty dang big.

by sayten on Sep 3, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to see him

make this team and bring some intensity to the squad.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the defense needs

some swagger. We have a lot of first round talent. How much of those classic Baltimore defenses was based on talent and how much of it was attitude?

by Aesthetist on Sep 3, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, here's my thought

Yes, we are going to be a run first team. However, a lot of run first teams line it up and smash it between the tackles. With Charles and McCluster teams won’t be able to just stuff the line of scrimmage because both of those guys can bounce it outside and break a long run. Therefore, it is not as important for Cassel to be throwing the ball 20 yards down the field to open up the line of scrimmage. The safeties and linebackers already have to wait to read where things are going. What Cassel needs to do is spread the ball around to a lot of different targets. Even if none of them are farther down the field then 15 yards. If he can hit guys like Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, and Charles with accuracy (around 65% comp.) they have the ability to stretch those passes into big plays. If he is spreading the ball around accurately then it will keep the linebackers and safeties on their toes and keep them from just stacking the line with 8-10 guys. The key to our offense is Cassel’s completion percentage not his long ball.

"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda

Kool Aid Rocks!!!!

by KCporkchop on Sep 3, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I just hope the miscues we’ve seen get remedied in the next 10 days, whoever they’re on.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

And what if they're lined up on either side of Cassel on one play?

That’s a threat to go anywhere…. or still toss a relatively short pass.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Sep 3, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, Joel

Can you pull up some other QB’s preseason stats for comparison?

by idahochieffan on Sep 3, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, but he has to step it up this year.

And he knows it. The Chiefs won’t continue to pay him elite QB money if he under-performs this season. Neither will any other NFL team. Time for him to earn his keep.

by Pilcrow on Sep 3, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's why they gave him weapons and didn't try to address the front seven.

If he doesn’t do it with extra talent then they will get rid of him.

by zyker on Sep 3, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

A strong running will.....

A strong running game will help the passing game. Cassel is not the answer at our QB but like others have said, he is what we got for this year. Next year mightbe different.

by wolfpack0735 on Sep 3, 2010 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

The posts in this thread are pathetic

Remember what you were saying about him now come the end of the season when cassels shitty play is the reason we don’t make the playoffs. You excuse making apologists need to open your eyes ……i mean, we don’t need a long bal….REALLY??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related

by LHO on Sep 3, 2010 8:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

everyone is entitled to their opinion

and I really doubt Cassel is singlehandidly going to keep us from the playoffs.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

We will see

If Cassel leads us to the playoffs. Are you still going call us pathetic?

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

The general concensus here seems to be pretty consistant

We’d like to see a bit more from him, no one is denying that. But he IS our starting quarterback, and I am going to support him 100% until he gives me major reason not to. Other teams have been successful with game managing quarterbacks (Trent Dilfer), and I still don’t even think that I am ok with relegating him to that category quite yet. He’s still a developing quarterback, and I think we owe him at least one more season before judgment is passed, based on his work ethic alone if nothing else.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

what excuses have been made in this thread, its not an excuse when it is fact. What I would suggest is that you take off your hate blinders for a second and open your eyes. Also did the Patriots need the long ball when they won 3 SBs, no they didnt.

by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give him 6 weeks....

I think the guy (Cassel) needs almost half a season to make a final long term evaluation about him. Things like this need time to coalesce. He has a lot of new guys around him, 2nd season running offense, limited experience….We should see what kind of player is he is about then.

Until then, don’t turn the ball over!

by Sloehandman on Sep 3, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess I'll never understand

why people insist on putting every single play of Matt Cassel under a microscope. Why do people expect the guy to be perfect on every play? And seriously what is people obsession with throwing the ball 50 yards down the field. What difference does it make if Cassel throws it 50 yards in the air or if he throws it 5 yards and the guy runs for the other 45. Cassel is doing exactly what he should be doing, he is managing the game, he is controlling the offense and he is getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers. What I find kinda funny is that he failed to mention that this was yet another game where Cassel had us in the lead when he left the game.

by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Casshole is the most coddled player ever

Enough with the excuses. Dude needs to step up his game. Period.

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

because he isnt throwin bombs?

give me a break. Cassel did fine last night. A lot more accurate than Croyle.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

That INT was horrible

The screen pass to McCluster was at his ankles

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

The INT would have never happened

if Bowe would have been where he was supposed to be, how is that Cassel’s fault

by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

see below

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw your boy Brodie

throw a couple at the ankles as well. That catch O’Connel made was a horrible throw. and multiple passes that where off target

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brodie aint my boy...

that title is reserved for Sanchez and Dixon

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Willie Tuitama?

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see how Sanchez can be your boy and Cassel sucks when

Cassel puts up numbers just as good or better each week.

"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda

Kool Aid Rocks!!!!

by KCporkchop on Sep 3, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sanchez??

Wow…Sanchez looked horrible last year. The only thing that helped him out was T. Jones and that D. He had the best running game in the NFL, and one of, if not the, best D.

All this talk of downfield throwing is stupid…I guess we could get Cutler with “that big arm” and have what 20+ interceptions?

by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Sep 3, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looked horrible in the playoffs with that 92 QB rating, huh?

Looked horrible all the way to an AFC championship game. Remember he was a rookie, 21 years old. While Casshole is still blowing goats at 28.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he had nothing to do with it... lets be fair here.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're really going to say that going forward you would take...

28 year old Casshole over Sanchez?

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha

No one is going to say that, but its a clear issue of upside, and not current ability.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

not any better than Cassel

2 tds 2 interceptions and a fumble

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

upside

Dixon’s got it, Casshole doesn’t

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

With fat boy Leftwich down Dixon's going to get his chance to shine

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we'll see...

I watched Dixon play a little this preseason. Wasn’t too impressive. I mean Dick’son. Calling names is fun!

by kcchief77 on Sep 3, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would call it more of a dull sheen at this point.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's with the juvenile name-calling?

I get that you think Cassel is a bad QB, but he seems like a great guy with a huge work ethic. Calling him childish names doesn’t advance your argument.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Because it stirs the pot.... which I don't really have a problem with frankly.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Okay

If you’re into trolling, so be it.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tarkus, check the post count man. HIV is a long time contributor to AP.

Once you know what to expect when you see his name pop up it isn’t so bad.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im pretty new around here..

Took me a while to get used to the constant negativity from HIV. Now I have fun with it. Its pretty entertaining.

by kcchief77 on Sep 3, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

You won't hear any negativity out of me in regards to our D

Save lazy ass TJax

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The D has looked nice.

Im not giving up up TJax yet…. but I agree he has looked like poo

by kcchief77 on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is no minimum age requirement to post.

Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?

by BinSC on Sep 3, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fact:

Matt Cassel threw 3 TDs this pre-season while playing against better defenses while Croyle and Palko combined for ZERO TDs while playing against scrubs.

"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda

Kool Aid Rocks!!!!

by KCporkchop on Sep 3, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fact:

2 INT’s and a fumble in the preseason. To go along with his 14 fumbles in 2009.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only three of those 14 fumbles were lost by the way.

Your “boys” numbers last year were 20 INTs along with 10 fumbles (3 lost). So he had 4 more turnovers then someone that is “horrible”.

"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda

Kool Aid Rocks!!!!

by KCporkchop on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dont need a bunch of bs stats

to tell me what my own eyes can see. Watch Sanchez. He is poised and savvy. Now watch Casshole. He is not. My eyes dont lie.

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Sanchez looked real poised sitting on the bench watching Kellen Clemons replace him mid-season.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it takes a lot of poise and savvy

to throw 20 picks on a playoff team.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

... as a caretaker QB on a power running team...

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 3, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL

Yeah is poised….he knows that if tosses pick after the D will bail him out and give him another shot. If he misses a pass, hand the ball to the best rushing attack in the NFL and they will get him to third and 2 situation. Oh and the fact that his OLine will protect him giving him long enough to throw a “Deep ball” to the other teams DB. I bet Reevis wishes he could have played against “Sanchize” every snap.

by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s always fun when a QB sucks, but especially when fans are in deep denial and say things like, “If he had time to throw, I think he’d have a chance to be good.” In general, deep denial is fun. My wife watches “Bachelor Pad” every Monday as I read books and magazines and pop my head up anytime someone’s in a bikini. For this week’s immunity game, they had everyone answer mean questions about everyone else in the house, one of which was, “Which one of the girls is destined to be a bridesmaid but never a bride?” Everyone picked the show’s tramp, Natalie, who did everything but roofie the other guys in the house during the first few episodes. Amazingly, Natalie was blindsided by this and ended up breaking down in the bathroom after the game. My wife (who never tweets except when this stupid show is on) tweeted, “Why do women who act like sluts act shocked and hurt when someone points out that they probably won’t get married?” As if we don’t know the answer. Come on. Deep denial. It’s a dangerous drug.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Seriously bro

i dont know what games these people been watching. Its not hard to see Casshole is garbage.

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

FYI

That was written about Trent Edwards in Buffalo, not Cassel. I know you were just applying to this situation because of the similarities, but I wanted people who didn’t read the original to know.

"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda

Kool Aid Rocks!!!!

by KCporkchop on Sep 3, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Insisting Cassel is that ridiculously pathetically bad

Is exactly the same as insisting he is that freaking awesome. Both perspectives are obtuse (to say the least) when it comes to the upcoming season; it remains to be seen who is right.

In fact, I see WAY more “Cassel clearly sucks” than “Cassel is good” posts around here. I’ll go a step further and say there are WAY more definitive “HE SUCKS” posts than anything remotely resembling praises. Perhaps you feel like too many excuses are being made, but that isn’t the same as lavishing praises on him.

In other words, the “logic” behind how bad he sucks is essentially the same as how good he is. The only difference I see around here is the “sucks” stance is being thrown around as gospel, while the majority is simply stating we need to see what he does this season.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

His mom tells him that every night

Before tucking him in to sleep.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody, that was part of my point

I am of the opinion you cannot declare he sucks anymore than you can declare he is great. The difference, that seems lost on a select few here, is nobody is trying to make the case for how great is, but simply to wait and see what happens this season.

In other words, many seem hell bent on persuading us that he is horrible, and talk down to anyone who doesn’t see it that way. Therefore, it becomes pretty ridiculous to declare “HE IS EPIC FAILURE” under the guise that anyone is singing his praises and making excuses for him.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

by HIV 2 Elway: Good points on denial.

But I’m slow to criticize the QB, when I’ve seen far MORE situations where QBs were kicked to the curb while REAL problems were ignored. Like when Warner wasn’t good enough to continue as a Ram, but somehow lead the Cards to the SB after that.

And I always get slammed for defending Dilfer, who is everybody’s favorite whipping boy, but he was tough and survived in the face of CONSTANT blitzing on run-heavy teams with good defenses. Hard to look pretty as a QB when your receivers are mediocre and your O-Line only run-blocks (Sound familiar?).

But when push came to shove in playoff situations, the schmuck DID make money throws. He might’ve earned another ring, if his one deep threat in TB hadn’t been injured against GB in that divisional game, where he was ripping the Packers a new asshole with the deep crossers to Karl Williams, until Williams was taken out of the game by a fierce Packer hit.

Good QBs are probably a lot more common than we give credit for, and average QBs are often elevated by superior supporting casts. Sometimes the lesser QB does better because he’s tough enough to get SOMEthing done, when all else around him is shite. Again, Kurt Warner is a prime case in point. That St.Louis O-Line started deteriorating about a week before Vermeil retired, and all Martz could think about was skill players.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 3, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha Outsiders even think Croyle isnt much... This from Acme Packing Co.
Unlike Chiefs backup QB Bradie Croyle, who seemed to either throw the ball out of bounds or dump it off to his tight end.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Matty's actually in a good place right now -

It seems that Weiss is trying NOT to get him killed.
We’re gunna play to our strengths via the running game until Cassel get his game on.
No need to panic; we’ve got a plan boys.

...sporting my new ERIC BERRY A V A T A R ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

by chiefsfan62 on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Fools are defending a guy who had a sub 70 QB rating last year...

here’s a list of other QB’s, save those who were rookies, that had a sub 70 QB rating in 09:
JaMarcus Russell
Jake Delhomme
Brady Quinn
Ryan Fitzpatrick

That’s a pretty elite group of bums

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

You can add your boy Sanchez in that group of bums too.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excluded rookies.

Rookie QB’s rarely do much so we’ll give them the benefit of the doubt

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmm Sanchez had a 63.0 rating

rookie or not you cant say hes better than Cassel. 12 Tds and 20 interceptions? give me a break

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well that's a convenient argument.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stafford and Freemen would be included there too

Many rookie QB’s don’t even see the field their first year

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok.... but they all DID see the field.

What makes Sanchez’s play better than any other QB that has a sub 70 QB rating?

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I cleared stated that I was holding the rookies back

28 year old vets should be held to a different standard than rookies

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

28 year old vet with what? 2 years of starting experiance? Wow, what a seasoned vet.

Come on HIV…

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not really. he is still a starting Qb in the NFL!

Only 32 guys can say that. He deserves to be judged just as much as Cassel.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more...

I think every NFL fan judges rookies and vets on a different level. Vets should be able to step in and play, rookies you’re looking for promise (something Sanchez clearly showed in the playoffs). Sanchez got better as the year went on while Casshole digressed.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

We usually do.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well compairing apples to apples

I wouldn’t call cassel a complete VET. His first year starting was with the Pats…and was a lot better year then with KC. This was his second year.

His 2008 stats

2008 New England 16 89.4 327 516 63.4 3693 230.8 7.2 21 11

clearly smokes Sanchize

by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Sep 3, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

but they did see the field

twisting it and not including him b/c isnt an excuse. You are making excuses just like you are saying we are. If hes on the field and starting then he is an NFL QB. Cant say just b/c hes a rookie he doesnt judged on his play.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who amongst those bums

had receivers that led the entire NFL in dropped passes?

I wonder what his rating would be if they were even in the middle of the pack in that category…

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Excusses

The drops are partially Casshole’s fault. Put the ball on their hands, not behind them or at their ankles and palyers will catch them

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unless your last name is Urban.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

they don’t call dropped balls except on very catchable passes. If it’s a tough catch at all, they give the receiver the benefit of the doubt. In fact, the Chiefs’ coaching staff counted more drops than what the official stats showed.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel

Last year I flew back for the Chargers game. Had great seats, 1st row, 50 yd line, right behind bench. I saw who the real leaders of the team were, and it wasn’t Cassel. It was guys like Vrabel, Imploring his team to get with it, congratulating them when they did well etc.. All I saw Cassel do after another 3 and out was – hang his head, walk back to the bench and sit down – no one else was near him. he wasn’t talking to his receivers… nothin. That is not what NFL quarterbacks do.

by Cal-Chief on Sep 3, 2010 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Thats one game out of 16

And the Charger games were awfully rough games for him.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aside from that

It has been touched on frequently in the media that Cassel has made major strides in becoming a vocal leader for this team during the offseason.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although, the toughest games are when you need the leadership the most.

It’s easy to be the leader when you are winning…

Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?

by BinSC on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Cassel is not a strong leader. I have not heard or seen anything that shows anything different. Yeah maybe he is being more of a cheerleader during practice but thats not what you need from your starting QB. You need a guy that is going to run over to Urban after the first drop and rip his $#%. And do it again the next time he drops it. Then later in the game if that player makes a good play you tell him. Cassel doesn’t do that and thats what you need in your starting QB.

Offical member of the Eric Berry Fan Club

by mysonmylife on Sep 3, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree. A lot of FANS want to see that.

In my experience, that shit works for SOME receivers, but not all. In fact, most folks, after a fuck-up, don’t need somebody screaming at ’em. They already feel bad enough. Being yelled at on top of that is more about the ego of the guy doing the yelling than about fixing a problem.

Sure, fear of failure is a strong motivator for some. But lust for success is where it’s at, and you can easily get on the wrong side of success by berating the guys you’re counting on. There’s plenty of game tape and plenty of coaches to bring to bear on fuck-ups, and there are different styles of leadership.

As a lead singer, I used to give dirty looks to the guys fucking up. It just made ‘em fuck up more. When I just busted ass and kept a good face on things, they kicked ass for ME, because they didn’t want to let me down. Showing “leadership” by bitching at people can just as easily lead to resentment and poor performance, because a negative atmosphere permeates the group.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 3, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before everybody's already giving up on Cassel

  It is possible that Cassel has been instructed by Weiss to work on…timing…fundmentials…and management…rather than slinging the ball down the field….maybe trying give the defense some rest this year…

by cyberry on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

If "everyone" consists of 2 specific posters on this thread

The world is doomed. Just sayin.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

From this day forward Palko shall now be called Palkhole.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Good call.

He sucks too

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't have the same ring

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I glossed Magee and Morgan

Magasshole and Morgasshole last night. Those didn’t go over well either.

by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok then we can just call him dipshit.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jackhole

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 3, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Flynn (!) clowned on Cassel last night

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Really?

He played the whole game, and most of it against our second and third teams… so no, I would say thats a rediculous argument.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 3, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Flynn looked sharp last night

I was impressed

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

how about you go look at the stats comparing the 2 of them against the 1st team defenses

by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

If your relying on stats, you must not be actually watching the games

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I am watching the games

and Flynn didnt do anything against our 1st team defense, if I remember correctly Im pretty sure he couldnt even get a 1st down until our starters left the game

by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

How come then people compare Cassel and Brodie

When they aren’t playing with their first team offenses?
How would Matt look with 3rd string Oline, throwing to Copper and handing off to Javarris.

Point can be made both ways. Look, I’m not a Brodie guy, and i’m not an anti-Cassel guy. I just think Cassel needs some accountability and they way he’s played in his first 24 or 25 games as a Chief has been poor.

by craig in calgary on Sep 3, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stats are misleading...

Cassel can throw for a bunch of garbage yards and TDs when the Chiefs are already down by like 30, but who cares. Stat dont give you the full story.

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lol, sounds like you're a Cassel guy...
I’m not a Brodie guy, and i’m not an anti-Cassel guy

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

While Cassel was throwing passes over WRs heads

and at their ankles, Flynn was dropping dimes right on the money all night

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Sep 3, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey! You leave the dime dropping to Urban.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about that Demorrio Williams stepping up and locking down that starting job huh?

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Haven't seen the game yet.

Is that sarcastic or did he play well?

Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?

by BinSC on Sep 3, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he has played pretty well to this point. 3 sacks in the last 2 games aint bad.

I definately think he has out played DJ so far,

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I would like to see Williams and Belcher on the field. Not sure why each pairing is locked at the hip and they won’t mix the group.

Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?

by BinSC on Sep 3, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you. It's a head scratcher to me. Belcher seems to have outplayed Mays... why not put both those guys on the field.

So you got the fax. So why didn't you add it to the resume? What do you mean? Of course martial arts training is relevant.

by BigRedChief on Sep 3, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not looking for Cassel to be Peyton Manning, but being Trent Green would be more than acceptable

He simply hasn’t shown that yet.

Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Trent Green was elite.

He falls into the same category as Peyton Manning. Matt Cassel isnt elite as of yet.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green was NOT elite

He was a better than average QB. Elite QB’s are at least considered for the HoF. No sane person has ever even asked themselves if he deserves consideration.

Green was a great person, a really good QB but not elite.

Elite QB’s: Montana, Elway, Marino, Manning, Brady, Starr, Unitas.

You’re honestly going to throw Trent Green’s name on that list? For running a team that lived by the screen pass?

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're listing legends.

Is Matt Shaub not elite? Is Aaron Rodgers not elite? Is Phillip Rivers not elite? Is Drew Brees not elite?

Maybe we just have a different definition of elite but to me being a close 2nd best to Peyton Manning year after year with average at best weapons around you makes you elite in my book.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 3, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aaron Roger and Phillip Rivers are on trajectories for HoF if the keep doing what they are doing. Elite

If they keep it up. Rogers for sure. Rivers is putting himself in the conversation.

Matt Shaub is decent. Not elite. Partly because he can’t stay healthy.

Green was never in Manning’s league. The difference is, you take away Manning’s WR’s and Manning makes due. You take away Priest Holmes,LJ or Gonzalez and Trent Green looks like what he was, average.

I loved Green, but he was not an elite QB. Stats don’t make a player elite.

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, and I hope that Matt pulls a TrINT to Trent transformation

I’ll buy the stand in ovation, buy the jersey and do the Cassel Kool-Aid shooter off my wife’s breasts, but we ain’t there yet.

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Need a change

Cassel has never became the QB that KC needs,Last night Croyle looked like a starting QB,not Cassel.Cassel is a Pocket QB that looks very uncomfortable when he has to run,and when he runs his passes never connect.Croyle is accident prone but a much better QB than cassel is,and last night proved that.Cryle can run and deliver quality passes,and there is no lack of arm strength in him.If KC plans to change there record much from last year they relly need to either look at starting Croyle or sign a QB that can be more mobile than Cassel.

by KC2009 on Sep 3, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Croyle is good, but brittle

Until the o-line shows it can protect the QB, Croyle will never be able to lead a team through the season.

by Dagda on Sep 3, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what...

Put him in there until he gets hurt….if he does, then we still have Cassel

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel is not made of IRON...his ass can get hurt too

in fact, he missed the first game of the season last yr. The only thing that Cassel has ,that is better than Croyle is, he is a little bit faster ….that does not make him a better QB

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel took a beating last year

No way Croyle would have survived all the hits he took.

I’m not saying Cassel can’t get injured, but with Croyle, it’s expected. Even you said put him in there until he gets hurt.

Look, I love Croyle, and would give him the starting job if he was dependable. But he’s not. You can’t be a good team if your starting QB is always inactive on game day.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

then get a fricking O Line that can protect him!!!!

thats my whole point….the guy has skills, but has gotten a bad rap because his O Line let him get smoked….ANYBODY would have gotten hurt behind the lines he played behind 2-3 yrs ago.

Im giving Cassel his shot this yr. I hope that when they really open up the playbook, and with our running game, he will do well and capitalize on his throws….but if he does the same crap as last yr, I want to see Croyle get his shot.

Thats all im saying

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it looks like the same this year, I say give Locker his shot

We’ll be picking in that range again

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

True..

but i want wins this yr….not wait around for the draft….AGAIN.

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

+100000000

What ya gonna do?

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's taken tons of shots as well....:)

sorry, low blow. Croyle is now out for 10 games

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

he hasnt had a shot with THIS O Line

THIS running game, and these kinds of receiving weapons…

Look guys, I really hope Cassel proves me wrong. But from what I saw in the pre season, i dont see a whole lot of improvement from last yr. I know its just pre season.But I see the same tendancies as last yr. Point blank, to me, he always looks like he is scared to pull the trigger, hesitates, then its too late. He locks onto receivers, looks them off, then goes straight to his checkdown….four yrd passes wont get it done.

If we are 1-3 after 4 games, You GOTTA put croyle in…ya just gotta!!

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ya just gotta huh?

slow down there man we havent even played one game that means anything yet.

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have to look at Croyle's history

of injuries all the way back to high school, to understand it’s not just the OL. Cassel played behind the same OL and was healthy for 15 straight games. Croyle has already missed two preseason games because of injury.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

what game did you watch?

Croyle looked horrible. Balls in the dirt ovethrown or out of bounds. He played worse against backups then Cassel did against starters. Croyle proved zip last night..

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Croyle had a 68% completion rating last nite?????

Cassel had 44%…and since you brought up backups…was the players Croyle was playing WITH backups as well…….it goes both ways

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if our receivers could catch the ball

Cassel’s completion % last night would have been like 78%

by badassz1987 on Sep 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly if Urban doesnt drop the two passes hes 6/9

and as a fellow Croyle supporter of yours once said “stats are bs” My eyes dont lie

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

or 7/10 or 7/11 or... Who knows what might've happened if they'd moved the chains?

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 3, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

and ... Cassel has never became the QB that KC needs

hes been the QB for one season give me a break

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 3, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

ive heard conflicting arguments about exactly whos fault that was

Some say they should have been caught,some say the throws were off, or miscommunication

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel is a slow starter...

and gets better as the game goes on. That being said, that means that we are usually playing catch up towards the end of the game..It baffles me how he can suck(with the help of others), then all the sudden in the last 5-6 minutes of the game be hitting everything…We will not contend for the division this yr with 4 yrd passes.

If he struggles this yr with the same issues he had last yr(holding ball,indecision,check down after checkdown,overthrows on big pass plays to WIDE OPEN recievers, locking onto recievers,) then I think it is time for Croyle to get his shot at starting. Say what you want about him being FRAGILE, but he has a better skillset than Cassel and actually played in college. Better accuracy, better zip on the ball, and will take his shots downfield.The guy has a rocket arm.

Let the arguing begin boys…

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

i meant to add..

the O Line should gt a lot of the blame for Croyle get hurt….he has a decent line to stand behind now.

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe he's starting slow because teams are playing closer to the line early in the game?

8 in the box seems to be the best pass defense to run against Cassel.

Teams go into more of a prevent later, opening up the underneath stuff? maybe…

16-0 here we come!!!!

by mushin on Sep 3, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well.......

to be honest, any QB should do better against a defense who is playing 8 in the box. That makes it easier to pass, harder to run. I expect with our running game, we will see a lot of 8 in the box defense this season, so Cassel better figure out his quick reads fast to avoid the blitzes.

by kckid4u on Sep 4, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

true

but, we were in quite a few close games last yr where they were not playing a vanilla prevent at the end of games. I think he just plays better when desperation sets in…

by KCinAZ on Sep 3, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Or he just plays better

in the two minute offense, which has seemed the case this preseason.

Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s the best offense for the Chiefs to play throughout the game, so he (and the rest of the offense) needs to get better in a more conventional set.

by Tarkus on Sep 3, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

checkdown.

CAPTAIN checkdown.

Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..

by be cee on Sep 3, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Preseason Game 3. 23-yard pass play to McCluster called back on a Lilja hold.

I point out this play because the pocket collapsed, Cassel escaped forward and to his right. On the run, he hit McCluster, also on the run, in stride, for a beautiful 1st down.

I bring this up, because I said the other day that I didn’t think Cassel could throw on the run, but it appears that if there’s an open receiver, he CAN. It sure will be nice to have an outlet receiver like McCluster that Cassel can rely upon.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 3, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

All I can say is...

…..I’d like to see a offensive game plan that includes Charles and Jones in the backfield at the same time giving us a power and speed combo for our running game, with McCluster doing reverses and end arounds and playing in the slot. What a tripple threat that would be. Cassel would just have to hand the ball off and stay out of the way.

by kckid4u on Sep 4, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

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