Is The Chiefs Bye Week Perfect Timing Or A Momentum Killer?
by Joel Thorman on Sep 28, 2010 12:26 PM CDT
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I've heard a few Kansas City Chiefs fans use the words "momentum killer" when talking about the upcoming bye week.
As you know, the Chiefs are coming off three straight wins (four dating back to last season) including their most recent 31-10 spanking of the 49ers. So clearly momentum can be considered a big factor here.
So is the bye week perfect timing or a momentum killer?
My take: It's perfect timing. The Chiefs are going up against the Colts and Texans in the upcoming weeks and the way they've game-planned, having two weeks to prepare for Indy could make this a very interesting game. I'm not saying the Chiefs are going to win -- they won't be favored -- but to me it's perfect timing that you have a bye week before the toughest two-week stretch on the schedule.
The Chiefs are a little banged up with guys like Tyson Jackson and Ryan O'Callaghan recovering from injury (as well as Javier Arenas who was nicked up on Sunday).
I really don't know where most folks stand on this so I'm looking forward to the results of this poll.
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great timing
not for the injuries but for the extra week to prepare for one of this season’s toughest opponents, away no less.
Yep
if we were playing the Bills I’d say it’s a momentum killer, but the team needs all the time it can get to have a chance at beating the Colts.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
Absolutely right
Only chance we have of beating the Colts is to have a flawless game plan and game prep (Or of course, pull a Bernard Pollard)…perfect timing.
I'm actually worried about Pollard intentionally pulling a Bernard Pollard in the Houston game
I wouldn’t put it past him to go for a few cheap shots in the game.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
Na, it was a legal hit at the time
But Pollard did accuse the Chiefs of blackballing him after he was released, and I wouldn’t put it past him to try and get even.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
Exactly.. two weeks to prepare for Peyton
And remember Crennel owned Peyton when he was D-coordinator as the colts and pats played each other once (sometimes twice when you add the playoffs) per year for a while so he’ll be able to design something good.
Offensively, I’m not worried about moving the ball on them as they can’t stop the run and that’s KC’s biggest strength.
I think this is what the coaches are here for.
It can be a momentum killer if it gets in there heads.
With indy coming up being able to have cassel and others look at tapes for two weeks and a live game can do nothing but help.
I called it a momentum killer...
I hope there’s not a dropoff in momentum after the best overall game they’ve played in years…
then again, it’ll be nice to get O’Call and TJax back from injury and have 2 weeks to prepare for the toughest 2 games of the year.
I’m expecting 2 losses in the next 2 games, with or without the bye… but, maybe the extra time gives the coaching staff the ability to get them ready to steal one or two of these wins?
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if they split
the bandwagon will be riding low… too many people jumping on.
If they win both, then I’ll have to start predicting an 11-5 or 12-4 year… which would be scary
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IF they win both of these games
I would be thinking 14-2 & #1 overall seed in the playoffs. I don’t (can’t!) see it happening.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
If they beat IND and HOU
Who would you predict to give us those 4 or 5 losses in our remaining 11 games?
IND and HOU are so superior to every opponent we face afterward (besides maybe TEN) that if we beat both of them I’m thinking “holy crap, we’re gonna win 13 or 14 games!”
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea if we go 5-0
Our record should at least be 13-3. Only teams I could see beating us would be SD, Denver at home, and Tennessee. That said I don’t see us going 5-0.
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by Scaryclouds on Sep 28, 2010 1:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We may have an extra week to prepare...
But teams generally come out of the bye week and play rusty, and the Chiefs have a history of starting flat.
We CANNOT afford to come out flat against an offense as dangerous as the Colts.
Momentum killer got my vote.
They won't be flat. They're 3-0, hungry and being well coached.
This is perfect because it gives the team time to really get ready for one of the best QBs of all times.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
Most of the current team has lost a lot lately. They will be focused for the next win.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what the Chiefs' history before Haley/Weis/Crennel has to do with anything.
That said, I’d always prefer the bye week to come as close to the middle of the season as possible. Getting a couple guys healthy doesn’t concern me, because there will be other injuries later. And yeah, it’s great to get an extra week to prepare for the Colts, but that will only count for something if we win.
So there wasn’t really an option for me, but “momentum killer” was closest.
Just saying it's a common trend with the Chiefs to come out flat after the bye.
Heck, it seems to be a pattern around the NFL. If you want my opinion, I think coaching has a lot to do with it. I don’t think this coaching staff will allow their players to slack. I look for them to come out strong. It’s just a rational fear I have based on qualitative data.
by SupremeChief on Sep 28, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
The additional preparation will still count if we keep the game close. The most important thing from these next two weeks is we don’t lose confidence by getting dominated.
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by Scaryclouds on Sep 28, 2010 2:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Great Timing.
An extra week to heal and and prepair for our 2 most difficult games on the schedule…timing doesnt get much better.
Heal?
If you’re worried about healing after three weeks, imagine how you’ll feel after 13 weeks. It’s not like the Chiefs are getting all their injuries out of the way. There will be more to come. That’s the NFL.
Don't worry
We’ll get a bye week in January too, while the mediocre teams are stuck playing in the wild card round for the right to get their asses kicked at Arrowhead the following week ;)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
by Sudden on Sep 28, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Suddenly Rec'd
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 28, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
having a bye week this early is rarely a good thing
It’s almost always better to have it later in the season when there are more nagging injuries built up.
While the extra time to prepare for the Colts is nice, it’s nice against any opponent…, for instance, smack dab in the middle of the season (week 9) would have been nice to prepare for @Denver.
by VermeilLikesToCry on Sep 28, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed.
I’d take that any day over a week 4 bye. And @Denver is more important than @Indy (save for the people who are obsessed with respect).
Thankfully
both are more important then @Seattle
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 28, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect... and on a side note I heard on 810 last night Mitch Holthus with Todd Haley, and Haley said:
During the bye week, Haley would be dressing some of the veterans up in coaching gear and letting them coach, plan and help run meetings this week. He didn’t name names, but said that “veterans” doesn’t JUST mean guys like Vrabel and Weigmann… he said that some guys with just a few years experience would be doing it too.
The objective is to get some of the team leaders to be more vocal and involved with coaching/teaching each other. This was Haley’s idea, and it wasn’t borrowed/stolen from Parcells or anyone else that Haley knows of.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Read this dammit :)
I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere on here today.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys suck
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey!
I can only type so fast!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's awesome!
Our intrepid reported needs to find more on this
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It might be on 810's podcast...
The show was called “Chiefs Kingdom with Mitch Holthus” or something like that. It’s on every Monday at 6 pm.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
gotta imagine Lilja is one of those guys
He knows that offense inside out.
2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting
by 808NaNz808 on Sep 28, 2010 12:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that sounds like an awesome Idea.
Can’t wait to see if it yields results.
A good memory is no substitute for the playbook rookie!
by Franksurroundedbyraiderfans on Sep 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Very innovative.
I wonder how well this will work out for them. Will probably work out the communication chinks.
by SupremeChief on Sep 28, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That's actually what he said right before he said this.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It remains to be seen how well this works...
But it’s great to have a head coach with an innovative mind, instead of just blindly following the blueprints of everyone who came before him.
Lol... did you listen to the show?... you're pretty much reciting it.
Mitch said: “Wow. That sounds like a really good idea, where’d you come up with that?”
Haley said: “Ah, well, you know, it just kind of came to me. Now whether or not it’s a good idea remains to be seen. That’s usually how it goes… when you come up with an idea it might seem great at the time, but you never really know until it gets used.”
I’m paraphrasing of course, but that’s the just of it.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's funny!
No, I haven’t listened to the show, but I hope to. Hopefully, they’ll put it up on the Mothership.
posted this on Joel's injury thread that mentioned Babb's Twitter:
Here’s a list of the honorary coaching staff: WR – Urban, Copper, Chambers. RB – Jones. OL – Waters, Wiegmann, Lilja. TE – Pope.
DB – McGraw, Flowers, Daniels (oddly). DE – Smith, Edwards. LB – Williams, Hali, Vrabel
I love this idea for the bye week. We have a little more scheduling breathing room, so we can do some less conventional techniques.
Honestly, some of the best learning I’ve done is by teaching!
This bye week is great
Weis and Crennel have a wealth of experience going against the Colts. Giving them 2 weeks to watch film, game plan, watch their next game live, could truly benifit us. If they can come up with a solid running scheme, a solid pass defense scehem, then we may have a shot at this game.
Unlike in the past two games, the focus will switch to our pass defense. That young secondary needs this 2 weeks to prep for the best QB in the game.
by Larryemcdaniel on Sep 28, 2010 12:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Perfect timing
Our D Coordinator, who has owned Manning in his career, will have 2 weeks to draw up a blueprint to slow manning down. On O they just can’t stop the run so just some fine tuning needs to be done there. I smell an upset
Perfect timing as for the next two teams
However having a bye week this early is not a good thing, injuries can easily start to build up and or after a loss or two the team could lose itself…
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 28, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions
Care to explain that
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
We
already have too many wins to draft Luck as out next QB.
This space for rent.
Doesn't mean I don't like the kid as a prospect
People can fall in the draft, trades can happen.
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take it
What excites me is the colts may be more talented but they won’t be more prepared.
The most important thing you can do in life is help other people.
And KC has had a different offensive gameplan in every game
So I don’t think they’ll be able to smell out too many tendencies. Where in the first two games was there any indication of running the wildcat & double reverse flee-flickers?
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
Most importantly, where was that in the first half?
It’s like Weis wanted to give SF false hope. Keep the score close then BAM! Pull out the big guns.
by SupremeChief on Sep 28, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The correct play name for the "double reverse";
Wildcat Strong Reverse Pimpout Pass 4 6….
On 2.
KC Chiefs; 10 Wins in 2010!
Win #1: Week One (Home); KC 21 - SD 14 (Monday Night Football)
Win #2: Week Two (Away); KC 16 - CLE 14
Win #3: Week Three (Home); KC 31 - SF 10
by Moebuis_34 on Sep 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Since Jones handed off from his shotgun position...
I’m not sure why some people insist on calling that a double reverse. It wasn’t even really a single reverse. More like an end-around followed by a flea-flicker.
So...
Wildcat Strong End Around Reverse Pimpout Pass 4 6.
And I will defer on the snap count since I couldnt hear it.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi.
Still not sure where the reverse was.
That suggests an opposite change of direction, of which there was none, unless you count Cassel taking a couple steps to his right after receiving the pitch.
Perfect timing. They can get some minor things straightened out, it appears that we
will be about 100% healthy and really get ready for the Colts. I thought that the Chief’s would beat the Chargers and now, I really believe, that they will beat the Colts too. The rookies are not rookies any more. They still have a lot to learn but with the playing time that they’ve been getting, they are way ahead of the average rooks.
Great timing for staff..
1. Give’s Romeo an extra week to prepare for Peyton
2. Give’s Weis time to recover from his surgery and adequately gameplan.
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One less week of film for Manning to look at.
Extra time, not only for the coordinaters to come up with specific plans to exploit matchups, but also for the players to work on the execution of those plans.
Good timing
I’m hoping it gives the team time to heal up and to work/plan to beat the Colts. Given the way our defense has stepped up their game, I think its possible to hold the Colts to under 24ish points. Our offense saw a decent defense in SF. The Colts have a very good defense, but I think they are suspect in the secondary. I think we can score around 21ish points. I really think this could be a tight game. Its either that or it will be a blow out. We dont play well against Indy. Manning even more so. We’ll see. As for now, I’m optomistic.
not a great time.
They can prepare more, get a few guys off the injury list. But any player will tell you after a big win or a big loss they want to get back on the field as soon as they can to keep it rolling, or to rectify it.
I won’t be surprised if the Chiefs have a few quirks that cause the Colts some problems. But this team will have to play their best game yet to beat the Colts. The Chiefs have two rookie safeties and the possibility of starting their 6th defensive back, and it goes without saying Manning can hit a few big plays even if you have great coverage.
Big test in two weeks.
I like the bye week
Only because it’s the Colts. Anyone else on our schedule, except the Texans, could prompt the team to take it easy and let the rust build.
This is a young team wanting to silence the skeptics, they’re looking at the Colts as their chance. I fully expect this team to be practicing balls to the wall and putting in extra time in the class room, weight room, and film room these next two weeks.
I fond some solace in the fact that Peyton never figured out the Pats until Crennel left, and also knowing that our running game could possibly have a field day and keep Peyton off the field.
2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting
by 808NaNz808 on Sep 28, 2010 12:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this...
Lilja is playing for us now. Think we have an advantage with him being a former Colt? He knows the blocking system implemented in Indy.
Anyone have some spare time?
Curious to see if there’s a general trend in the NFL for the 2 weeks following a bye week.
Dexter McCluster's 2010 "Broken Ankle" list:
9/13 vs SD, Mike Tolbert en route to 94-yard Punt Return for TD.
9/27 vs SF, Shawntae Spencer and Travis LaBoy en route to 31-yard TD catch and run.
Didn't really mean for this to be a reply. Fail. Gonna make this an actual post.
Dexter McCluster's 2010 "Broken Ankle" list:
9/13 vs SD, Mike Tolbert en route to 94-yard Punt Return for TD.
9/27 vs SF, Shawntae Spencer and Travis LaBoy en route to 31-yard TD catch and run.
I believe they changed their blocking scheme...
which is why they got rid of Lilja in the first place. He no longer fit their scheme.
Well, that just rained on my parade.
I thought he was cut because they weren’t satisfied with his play.
by SupremeChief on Sep 28, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's my understanding they wanted to do more power blocking.
And his size doesn’t fit that style. The Chiefs, OTOH, like their OL to be athletic.
Regarding his play, again it’s my understanding that Peyton wasn’t happy to see him go.
Anyone have some spare time?
Curious to see if there’s a general trend in the NFL for the 2 weeks following a bye week.
Dexter McCluster's 2010 "Broken Ankle" list:
9/13 vs SD, Mike Tolbert en route to 94-yard Punt Return for TD.
9/27 vs SF, Shawntae Spencer and Travis LaBoy en route to 31-yard TD catch and run.
My biggest fear is un upset in Jacksonville this weekend.
If Indy loses, I don;t think there is any chance we win. As long as they take care of business, I think we can surprise the Colts.
Did you guys watch the Colts / Donkeys game?
The Donks blew to many chances to win the game because their rushing offense sucks. Their secondary is banged up.
Peyton will try to pick on our rookies, however we can run against anyone…
I think we can make Indy look like the 49ers and then the entire NFL will realize WTF they are dealing with…
WE ARE THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ChiefsatWar on Sep 28, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The enthusiasm in this comment deserves a rec.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Great timing
The Chiefs are winning because of preparation of coaches and players. This is perfect for a win-in-Indy-shock-the-world kind of plot.
Plus we can get a few key players off of the injury list.
Perfect Timing...
Gives us extra preparation for the best QB in the league. If they are smart, they won’t even be thinking about the Texans for these next two weeks. All focus should be on stopping Manning. It also not only gets us back our injured, it gives the remainder of the team and coaches down time to implement a healthy dose of the R words;
rejuvenate, recover, reassess, readjust, realign, refocus, and finally, reascend
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
We are a game plan team. so this is perfect timing.
Not to mention Ryan Lilja is gonna have some knowledge on the colts Oline.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Sep 28, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
time off
Do the players get any time off during the bye week. Is it really an extra week of preparation?
I love it when a plan comes together!
I don't like the timing of the bye week at all
I don’t see us beating Indy one way or another, so the slight edge we get by having an extra week to prepare, is not near enough to offset the downside of having such an early bye and making our players go the next 13 weeks without a break.
If anyone is interested, as of 09, teams coming off of byes win 52.7% of the time. I’d certainly take that slight edge if we were going into a game that I thought would be really close, or more winnable…regardless, it is what it is, hopefully we get in some work on the next few games, not just the Colts.
So yeah, I voted for momentum killer. Hopefully I’m proven wrong in Indy.
Perfect Timing
It can’t possibly hurt to have an extra week to prepare for Peyton and I’m willing to bet they will install a few things for Houston while they are at it. While these two games are critical, a split will be adequate and a positive experience for all the younger players to begin to get a feel for playing in bigger games.
I dont like it all
It does the potential to kill the momentum this team is just now starting to generate.. Just bad timing for a team just starting to get HOT!
Not really.
There will be a lot more injuries to come as the season grinds on. The Chiefs are actually quite healthy right now, by NFL standards.
Perfect timing opponant-wise
But sucks coming sooo early in the season.
Momentum is an illusion that people like to throw out...
Its a myth like clutch, or the Loch Ness Monster. None of them actually exist.
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