What To Do With Chiefs DEs Tyson Jackson And Shaun Smith
by Joel Thorman on Sep 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT
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It would appear that Kansas City Chiefs DE Tyson Jackson will be returning from injury on Oct. 10 when the Chiefs head to Indianapolis to play the Colts. His initial injury was reported as a sprained MCL which usually only keeps players out a couple of weeks.
For Jackson, I'm wondering if his job will be there when he gets back.
DE Shaun Smith has been filling in for him and, frankly, been a more disruptive force than Jackson.
3-4 defensive ends are tough to judge because there's not a great way to statistically analyze them. Tackles and sacks are important but they can do their job even without tackles or sacks.
If my eye test matters (it doesn't), then Smith has been a better performer over two games than Jackson has. He's making more plays in the backfield and generally getting noticed more than Jackson.
So when Jackson returns will his starting job come along with it?
This problem is both good and bad. It's good because you have a guy like Shaun Smith who was expected to play a limited role and is now trying to force himself into the starting job. It's bad because, well, Jackson is the third overall pick and we shouldn't be having this conversation.
Maybe the coaches see something I don't and Jackson returns to the starting lineup. Or maybe Smith takes the job. The Chiefs will have a couple of weeks to decide before they hit Indy.
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Keep Smith as starter and rotate Jackson in. Let Jackson earn his starting job back.
by golfbard on Sep 28, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yep.
The worst thing that could have happened to T-jack is his absense being unnoticed. It was.
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 28, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I noticed it in the Browns game.
I think playing at home provides a spark. I think Jackson should be rotated in and out until his limp is gone. But, ultimately, it should be his job. He earned another chance with the way he played against the Chargers.
by SupremeChief on Sep 28, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
HE STARTS
I think TJ was making progress prior to his injury and because of that, he starts. Of course, it also depends on how he practices but I would imagine Romeo would like to have him back in the rotation.
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
Based on your first line you would think Haley posted this ;)
Just kidding.. but yea also no need to rush him right back in.
I'd say start Jackson
And have Smith rotate as the NT and DE. Jackson played well the first week.
Predictions:
This year IS be better.
oh, and...
Todd Haley doesn't give a damn about your fantasy team.
Yeah, Smith has looked good
But no better than TJax did before he went out hurt. Jackson was playing several levels above what he was last year and should only get better.
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agreed with both TRS and jmc
it’s Jackson’s job, and Smith was actually playing better at NT in game one than he did at DE
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Yeah. I see more hay being made with Smith in the swing role.
The subtext, here, imo, is that Magee isn’t yet the designated swing player.
Jackson’s a little more mobile in space, and more likely to create pressure and/or block a pass if the offense throws on 1st/2nd down.
But it’s a tough call. The mental part of Smith’s game is virtually flawless. He REALLY understands the job description, and surprised me with his ability to contain two pretty mobile QBs in back-to-back games. As far as run-stout, I’d put him a notch ABOVE Jackson.
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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
From Kalo's post...
Jackson was tearing it up against SD before he got hurt.
Let me find it…
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Found it
This sounds like a guy I want back in the starting lineup for us.
Smith’s been good, but we know what we have in him. Plus, with him on the bench we can rotate him at DE and NT and keep both fresh.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
From Kalo's post.
As seen in the bullet points up above, Tyson was in rare form this week. Six gaps filled, four double teams, and a quarterback pressure on the positive side, with two free men on the negative side. Before his injury, he was causing all sorts of problems for the right side of San Diego’s offensive line. They couldn’t budge him off the line, and while he let two guys get to the second level, both of those plays he made up for it by stepping into the gap and making the tackle. He’ll be missed against Cleveland, as he looked every part of a stud strongside 3-4 defensive end this week. Keep that fire, Tyson!
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Hey! You stole my thunder
By doing what I did, only much much better!
Now stop it!
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to say the same thinhg.
Jackson was playing out of his mind when he got hurt. Start Jackson, rotate Smith in.
Smith has been a disruptive force
A groin-grabbingly disruptive force.
The plan for their usage shouldn’t change after a couple of games.
by Offense of the 70s on Sep 28, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions
Man
These posts are nuts.
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 28, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
When Cox come onto the field
Smith gives him a big bear hug.
Yeah, I just wrote that.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec
That was fantastic,
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
ballsy reply.
But don’t go off half-cocked.
by Offense of the 70s on Sep 28, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey...
at least Smith was able to grab two sacks…
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by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 28, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter who starts...
unless it matters to TJax or Nutcracker…I think both will benefit from the rotation that we will see…
TJax looked like a real contributor before he went out in the 4th quarter vs. SD…In fact, after game 1 he was the player I was most excited to watch again…It was night and day with his play from last season…
HaHa Nutcracker
TJax was making progress, now just have Smith show him how to grab opposing players junk and he may be unstoppable. Actually, it’s probably better to have TJax start so Smith can play DE and NT, he will still get a lot of snaps doing that where TJax can’t really move inside.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Actually, I bet T-Jax COULD move inside.
And with Smith on the field, swapping spots with Smith could complicate things more for the offense than the defense. Jackson could be a real disruptor up the gut, and the way Smith’s been playing, KC has the luxury of moving him outside.
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What?
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice transition
We can now pull out all of the JC / TJ posts and replace the names with Smith and Jackson. And here I thought the bye week was going to be boring.
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Switch to the 4-3.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Bring back Ryan Sims
Hey, if we are going to bring up disappointing D-lineman might as bring up the worst. Oh god, it makes me sad to think of how many draft picks we have used on them.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
I wouldn't be afraid to run some 4-3, here and there.
And with Hali runnin’ 260, it’s not like their vanilla 4-man rush doesn’t amount to a 4-3. You don’t have to cheat Dorsey very far inside and Smith/Edwards very far to the left to have a 4-3. I can see just going BIG, with Gilberry at ROLB/RDE, with Hali the 5th man upfield from inside or outside.
These guys are getting comfortable enough with their roles to start playing some street ball, pretty soon. Need to see further developments from the rookie safeties before THAT happens, imo. Also, imo, we might just SEE those developments after the bye. They’re not far from being a real shutdown defense. Indy will be a great test.
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i say start smith and ease tjax into the game. no need to rush tjax
after and injury like that.
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Good call, if he's even a little hesitant
Hopefully, with the bye he’ll have had at least a week of full contact practice and be ready to go.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
you have to start Tyson Jackson
For the sole reason that smith can play NT at a disruptive level as well. With Tyson Jackson and Ron Edwards rotating and staying fresh, its almost not fair to opposong llinemen.
That said, in IND you have to go with the hot hand, whoever is performing better needs to be in more, IND’s hurry up offense won’t give us much opportunity to rotate
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by 808NaNz808 on Sep 28, 2010 11:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
It's not as MUCH to Indy's advantage to freeze the substitutions, though.
KC’s better-conditioned and it’s harder to catch them in an inferior personnel grouping.
That being said, might there be a timeout on D at some point, to make a situational substitution on a key 3rd down?
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Start TJax
Bring Smith in in relief. It works like our RB situation. The more fresh impact players you have the better off you’ll be
good problem to have
Jackson is the younger with a higher cieling, but frankly Smith has been the King of the Ball…its really a great problem for Romeo to have, his rotation is getting easier.
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Hey, somebody had to say it!
Seriously, I thought Jackson was noticeable in the first game. I remember thinking how much more of a factor he was in that game then what he had been. I agree with so many comments already, DL play is most effective when you have enough depth to have a quality rotation. They don’t tend to line up the same 3 or 4 guys and play them the whole game, so the question is more about whether or not adding TJax back into the rotation is better than the worst of the current rotation subs? I think that’s an obvious YES, so I only see this as a good thing.
Hey, somebody had to say it!
Seriously, I thought Jackson was noticeable in the first game. I remember thinking how much more of a factor he was in that game then what he had been. I agree with so many comments already, DL play is most effective when you have enough depth to have a quality rotation. They don’t tend to line up the same 3 or 4 guys and play them the whole game, so the question is more about whether or not adding TJax back into the rotation is better than the worst of the current rotation subs? I think that’s an obvious YES, so I only see this as a good thing.
Didn't Haley give Smith hell on sideline after last grab?
I think the Chiefs bench Smith for a game to let him think about his sacking.
by loyal Chief fan on Sep 28, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions
He brought him to the bench after he told Smith to settle down and Smith apparently didnt listen.
He was back out there the next series.
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by GenericBrand on Sep 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The coaches have a big decision to make.
Shaun Smith has turned into an important part of our defense. Whether Jackson starts or not, Smith with see significant playing time. I have no doubt of that.
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Jax better vs Pass and Smith better vs Run
and since we’re playing indy i say Jax, but keep smith in the rotation heavily, He needs i think 40% of the D snaps at either position, I hope he is the primary rotation guy for both Jax and edwards cause he’s more effective than Toribio at nose
but then again Smith is the better bull rusher and Indy always has those kind of undersized finesse linemen
so maybe smith, but i’d feel more comfortable rotating smith in at DE and NT than Toribio and Gilberry (in run situations) or magee
by irishking44 on Sep 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Indy has gone with more of a power blocking line
Which is why we have Lilja in the first place.
They’ve changed things up since last season.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
And early indications are that they're experiencing some growth pains.
Running against San Diego isn’t saying much for your power game. The Bolts may find their stride up front, after McNeil arrives, assuming Vasquez decides to stay healthy. But so far, San Diego has pretty much the same problems up front that they had last year, imo. Rivers can make you overlook that fact, but the Chiefs weren’t afraid the Bolts were gonna ram the ball down their throats at the end of the monsoon game. All SD could do was throw the ball, and it gets REALLY HARD to throw the ball in the red zone.
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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
You have to start Tyson
He is the top pick and he has way more potential then our very own physical dr.
You should not lose your starting gig after two games of injury! He was starting for a reason….he is our guy! Smith can fill in when he is needed.
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by Matt_Grbac on Sep 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I would
But he may not understand a word I say…..wow I should not have said that!
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
Disagree, Matt_Grbac.
You have to earn your way back. That means outplaying the other guy on the practice field and outplaying him in regulation, because if Jackson suits up, he WILL get onto the field.
I think it likely that Jackson DOES win his job back in short order, judging by his effectiveness in Game 1 and the number of snaps they gave Dorsey and him in that game.
That being said, I bet they’re quicker to rotate Smith in at LDE than they were in Game 1, especially coming off the MCL.
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Sounds like Marty balls
Put Grbac back in. I dont care if Gannon is the man. We are paying Grbac all this dough. Could of been a King Carl decision for all I know. Anyway this is much different. Both will see plenty of action if they are healthy. Seems si
ilar to the jones vs Charles debate. Right now it’s a good problem to have. Depth is one of the keys to victory
by paulredfish on Sep 28, 2010 2:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For sure!!
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
Its a good problem
If the defense wasn’t being effective enough now we have a guy who’s been playing pretty good who can rotate into two positions keeping everyone and himself fresh.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
smiths versatility kind of hurts him in that sense
we can’t have him start and relieve Ron and Glenn effectively too
by irishking44 on Sep 28, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Schlong Smith...
should be the one rotating…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
I was impressed with Jackson
before he went out. Especially against the run, his edge stayed sealed. I would start jackson and have smith essentially be the depth DL.
yeah basically what ive been trying to say these last couple posts
Having Glenn, Ron, and TJax start with Smith being the main guy for all of them for relief IMHO more than makes up for the times we would probably get burned having Toribio, Magee and even gilberry (against the run)
by irishking44 on Sep 28, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I think his play just made Magee very expendable.
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by GenericBrand on Sep 28, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
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3rd-rounder with upside and great character… Unless Magee is failing to make progress (or worse, stinkin’ up the joint in practices), you give him another year or two in the system. Even if Magee was a genius pick, he might not really show the world what a genius you were, until late ’10 or even mid ’11. Might be a great complementary player, if a Wilfork falls in your lap, and Dorsey decides he needs to cash in to care for a sick relative more than he needs to be a Chief.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Is this really even a question?
After what Tyson showed the first game, if healthy he should definitely be inserted back into the starting lineup. Smith is a valuable backup who can take snaps at end and nose to keep these guys fresh.
by polodude017 on Sep 28, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Jackson Starts
Smith is more valuable than Jackson because he can rotate with Ron Edwards and Jackson. Keeping Edwards fresh is what separates this defense from last year’s. Edwards is a disruptive force when he’s not worn out by the end of the 3rd quarter.
Yep Edwards just played way too much last year.
And this year with Tiribio rotating in Edwards seems to be playing better as well.
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by GenericBrand on Sep 28, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Edwards got a sack for crying out loud
when was the last time any of us saw him have enough energy to actually even get into the backfield?
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He FLEW in there too
I was impressed.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He was way fast
I could not believe how fast he got to the QB on that sack, It was AWESOME!
I love it when a plan comes together!
Nice points, you guys.
Very nicely set up, it was. Play to hold the line all day long and then just shove your guy aside and shoot the gap. What impresses me the most is the footwork on our d-linemen. Keepin’ their feet, stayin’ in the play, and when the moment is ripe, make the explosive play.
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Doesn't matter who starts
Rotation rotation rotation! =)…this is gonna be 1 boring ass 2 weeks…damn you bye weeks! When did they change it from 2-1 bye?
I'm guessing that...
The Guards and Tackles around the league, and there nuts, are hopping the TJ gets his job back
by Stone Throwers on Sep 28, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions
Start jackson
- he was playing great before the injury, and he should have a higher ceiling than smith.
- smith can effectively spell the entire line, a fresh 4th quarter front 3 could be a big deal vs Peyton.
- its harder for nfl officials to see nut punches in the middle of the line if smith is playing nose tackle than it is if he is playing end, I want the penalties to continue to be on the other guys LOL.
#4, with the video they have, Smith might be suspended a week anyways, who knows.
BTW all this shaun smith talk reminds me of in 07 when Tyrone Brackenridge nut tapped brandon marshall on a KR
anyone have a video of that? lol
Saw this on a browns webpage
Said if Smith would like to protect his nuts and get out of the NFL suggested job for him
If he is healthy, Tyson gets my vote.
If he is back to form, I thought he was doing better than Smith. That’s not to say that Smith was doing a bad job. Smith has been more than holding his own, and has been making good tackles on the runner, but has has not been pushing the pocket like Jackson was. Jackson was pushing the pocket so hard that he was opening huge holes for the LB to make plays. I agree with an earlier poster……this is a great problem to have.
by Enite on Sep 28, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
1) The big IF TJ is healthy. The way Smith is playing, I would rather be over cautious, and make sure TJ is fully healthy, because our early bye, would like a healthy TJ for the long run.
2) The phrase “Smith has been more than holding his own.”
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9/27 vs SF, Shawntae Spencer and Travis LaBoy en route to 31-yard TD catch and run.
T-jax over smith no doubt
Smith has been doing a great job, but Tyson was incredible in his first game. Tyson also has much more upside than Smith. By seasons end if Tyson continues his growth he is going to be a forced to be reckoned with.
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by Scaryclouds on Sep 28, 2010 12:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Jackson playing out of control against SD.
He’s a first round pick that was living up to his potential in game 1, then got hurt. He’ll without a doubt be starting against the Colts.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
I was thinking about this right after both the Cleveland and the Niners game.
Smith is definitely taking over that spot as far as play ability and disruption. But Jackson has shown improvment. I’m not so sure its a bad thing for Jackson to take a backseat and ease into this position. He’s doing better than last year, so he’s getting it.
What would it hurt to limit him a little behind Smith and keep the guy in there that gives us the best chance to win right now?
Jackson has not played like Smth thus far thats for sure. Smith has been lights out.
Didn't you watch the SD game?
Jackson was tearing it up before he got hurt… he put up 6 tackles through 3 quarters.
I’m guessing that by this:
Jackson has not played like Smth thus far thats for sureyou’re referring to the fondling that’s been going on?
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think SD has that great an OL.
But I agree with what was said above: Jackson pushes the pocket more. One of the reasons SD stayed in that monsoon game so long was KC’s failure to get to Rivers before Rivers could do something with the ball. Manning is very similar to Rivers (but more likeable, somehow). Execution in pass rush AND coverage will have to be at their very best to get Manning off the field.
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I really agree. The front three have developed some chemistry over the last two weeks and
I would prefer to start Smith and then work Jackson in slowly, but even in the second series and then the coaches will decide from there based on how the game is progressing. Also, I sure wouldn’t want to see Jackson get injured again so they should take it easy.
Being cautious with the injury is a good reason to ease Jackson in off the bench.
But if he has no ill effects in another week, with trainers, doctors and T-Jax in agreement, go ahead and start him. I think he gives the Chiefs their best chance of causing Manning problems from the get-go.
I DO think Manning’s more vulnerable to pressure than we’re used to seeing.
My big concern is that Indy may be able to stuff the box all day long, without KC having a legit aerial threat to punish them for it.
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I beg to disagree Kray.
I love what Smith has been doing, but again I believe that Tyson was more dominant than Smith has been. Edwards has been playing better than he played in that 1st game also, but even with that, the line that I saw against the Chargers was dominant like I haven’t seen for a while. He was caving the pocket against better competition in my opinion. I do like Smith though.
Jackson plays one position... Smith plays three.
Ergo, Jackson starts, and Smith rotates in where he’s needed.
I don’t think this is a difficult question at all.
Good point. Beyond that, the Chiefs were playing lights-out with Jackson in Game 1.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Everyone's hit the nail on the head.
Tyson was dominant against SD until hurt. The Smith/Edwards combo was dominant against SD until hurt. Toribio does not look like the answer to give Edwards some much needed rest. Smith has played well, but had a few key mistakes against Cleveland. Also, he’s been on the field almost as much as Dorsey.
Tyson should be fresh, let him start and hope that he didn’t lose the fire he had in Week 1. Have Smith rotate with he and Edwards, and have a nice fresh group of players.
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Very true
Smith’s ability to play mutliple positions will help keep the entire line fresh. Regularly rotating in Gilberry, Smith, and Magee should help us get some pressure on Manning. Actually, I think those three would make one heck of a nickel package D-line.
by Chiefs4Life on Sep 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Oddly enough, they chose not to suit up Magee, even after Jackson sustained the MCL.
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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Its gotta be Jackson
He played on a sloppy wet field , so comparing the play of them is kind of unfair to TJ….the rotation is better this with him starting as well. Smiths role of backing up both positions is perfect IMO…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Definitely, definitely, definitely Jackson
Not to shortchange what Shaun Smith did against San Fran and Cleveland, but also recognize that he did it against two below average Tackles whereas Jackson did it against a pretty good one.
Jackson looked like an absolute beast against San Diego. I think he clearly gets the benefit of the doubt.
Teach Jackson how to grab nutz.
well. seriously it can’t be that hard. Jaskson will start. Smith has earned a role on the team as a back up DL for all three spots. And not just a – coes in when someone gets hurt guy- but a regular rotation guy.
What's the old saying?
rotation, rotation, rotation…
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Can T. Jackson...
grab a sac or two to encourage Unsportsmanlike Conduct? If so…Let him have the spot back, but let him understand it is his spot to lose…
I thought Jackson was playing like an absolute BEAST before he got hurt
so I’m not sure how you’re justifying that Smith is playing better unless you’re going back to preseason. If that’s the case, I don’t think it’s a valid comparison. I’m assuming TJack will start and take the job back from Smith. I think Smith’s ability to back up both positions makes him a very valuable (and involved) backup. The bad news is really for Magee. He’s going to have to step up his game or he’s going to be out on the street.
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I'd show more patience with the 3rd-round d-lineman.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Jackson is probably the more skilled of the two
and for that reason if his is fully back he should be starting. I think that Smith’s impact has been much more on the attitude side. He has brought back the nasty attitude that this defense needs. He is the first guy out there trying to get the crowd going and he must be a real nightmare for the other team to listen to talk all game. Both guys are incredibly valuable for the success of this team going forward.
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
Jackson was looking pretty nasty when he was out there as well.
I remember him barking while towering over opposing players after tackling them. I love it.
Lots of jokes about Smith's actions
but we may not have to worry about who starts as I believe Smith will get a 1 game suspension now thta there is video footage of the 2nd allegation. Or will he just get fined? I’d find that hard to believe. I know things happen in the pile but the dick grabbing is odd to me. I was bothered by it during the Clev game. Then to hear it again. Smith’s antics could hinder this squad eventually and that profile does not fit the “right 53” so I’m concerned about his future playing as we need his depth but not his antics.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
Jackson is Lazy!
I would start Smith and rotate Jackson in. That lazy piece of Cattle Dung Jackson needs motivation and I would make him in earn it. Got to motivate him somehow, 60 million has made him lazy!
uh yeah
one of tjack’s best games ever. You obviously dont care for the guy. I think its his demeanor that gets to people. he comes off quiet ans soft. Yet he was great in Sd game. As i see below, others agree
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
That has to be a reply fail.
I was asking BigRatt if he watched, not you. Look again at who the reply is to.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Mr J
As a former Semi Pro player. I can tell you squeezing the old nads on the bottom of the pile screws with the dudes mind. In the back of his mind it does create a little fear, its a great way to get an edge! I love IT!!
may explain why you never went pro
I hate when guys get on this site and tell us they played high school ball or “semi pro”.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
He's right on this point, though
The pile is kind of a no-man’s land.
It’s not 100% anything-goes, but it’s damn close. That’s been the way of football since football came to be.
The trenches are not for the faint of heart.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I don't understand.
I remember people being excited about Jackson’s performance against the Chargers. It wasn’t just the fans either. I even remember the media talking about it. What happened to that?
by KCMizzou on Sep 28, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Whatever people see most recent, they remember
Tyson WAS better in his half than Shaun has been since, but that doesn’t add controversy. This does, so they’re putting it out there.
I think it's more about the fact that the D didn't crack.
They played very well with Jackson sidelined, and Smith did a solid job.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Chargers = Dorsey!
Dorsey was the beast in the Charger game. Jackson played better than normal, but for the most part he just strikes me as the type of guy who does the least amount to get by. He already has his money and the only thing left to motivate him and teach him that he has to bring it every down is to give Smith the starting nod and make Jackson earn his spot. That in my mind is the only to teach him something. Smith in my mind has outplayed Jackson by far.. As Joel said he is definately been more disruptive in the backfield which is something that Jackson just doesn’t do. His MO was stopping the run which at times he gets pushed plum out of play.
You should go back and watch the SD game
I replayed it once just to see the line play and I couldn’t believe how TJax was ALWAYS around the ball. And his blockers were not able to move him at all. He was incredible for that half he played. I think if he plays like that the rest of the year there’s going to be a lot of talk about how Pioli was right in his pick.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
Tyson Played better in his half a game than Shaun has since
Shaun has played great, but Tyson was beastly. And there is so much room to grow. Tyson is on the verge of becoming the best 5 Tech in the NFL. Let him continue to do so. Also, starting Tyson allows Shaun to go back to his best role, filling in at both DE and NT, keeping everybody fresh, without any drop in play, and in some cases(NT) an increase in play.
by dablueguy on Sep 28, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
REMEMBER
Smith can play both ends, and they have experimented with Dorsey at NT. There may be a time where we see all three with Dorsey on the nose.
Different formations different matchup, which is what Crennell is all about. My MVP
by Mark in Ga. on Sep 28, 2010 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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