VIDEO: Chiefs DE Shaun Smith Grabbing Incident
by Joel Thorman on Sep 28, 2010 7:49 AM CDT
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For the second straight week, an opponent accused Kansas City Chiefs DE Shaun Smith of grabbing them below the belt.
In Week 1, it was Cleveland Browns C Alex Mack who said Smith grabbed a part him that would draw a penalty. Smith said to the (other) AP of the alleged incident, "I don't recall doing anything like that."
In Week 2, it was San Francisco 49ers RT Anthony Davis.
I think we can see in the video that Smith looks like he's grabbing what we think he's grabbing and Davis reacts to it.
Is it enough for the league office to issue a fine? We'll see on Friday Fine Day.
(H/T bfett81 for the video)
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Looks pretty clear to me.
Wear a cup next time, rookie.
Chiefs 2010 Prediction: 8-8
A cup?
Nobody wears cups in football.
Amateur comment. ;)
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Personally..
I dont think its really that clear.
You never see Smith’s hand on the guys balls and theres a span of about 1 second where it looks like his hand COULD be grabbing the guy.
Whenever you’re blocking and pushing a guy back, and you begin to fall, of course your hands are going to slip, but you keep pushing until you can’t push no more. Looks to me like he was pushing, and his hand MAY have come into contact with the guys junk for a moment.
To me, it looks like Davis is more pissed off that Smith shoved him back pretty good and Davis couldnt do anything on the play
Blocking
isn’t the right word because obviously Smith isnt a blocker..
But my point is that when you’re pushing a guy and you’re going down, you dont have time to think about where you put your hands, you just put them whereever they land.
I didnt grab anybody’s nutsack but heres an example. In a basketball game, I’m chasing after a guy who stole the ball and was runnin down court for the go-ahead layup. I’m sprinting as fast as I can and catching up to the guy when all of a sudden (for no apparent reason) I lose my balance and begin to fall forward. Naturally, i stick my hands out to catch myself and incidentally, my hands go out and pretty much push this guy. He tumbles and the whistle blows.
Now, in my head, I’m thinking it was clearly an accident, until I realized the ref gave me a technical. After the game, watching it on video, it looks like I intentionally leaned forward to push this kid. Video evidence may show what happened, but does’t always tell the whole truth.
Ouch
Knock it off, Shaun. There was no reason to do that there, other than a cheap shot.
I get that he’s trying to get into a young player’s head, but c’mon…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Really...no reason for this
Smith has been playing pretty well. Why punch a dude in the nuts? Or grab a guy’s balls in the “pile”? Totally not necessary. He’s just making himself, and the team, look bad.
And be careful out there Shaun Smith. What comes around, goes around.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
The reason seems pretty clear...
It drew a penalty. It’s screwing with the other guy’s head… literally. ha.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree
sure its dirty, but its also football, and its also effective… as long as you don’t get caught. all part of the game.
on second thought, are there specific rules that say you can’t grab someones crotch in the rule book?
it's low-class, dirty and needs to stop a week ago
this is NOT the kind of player I want on ANY team or representing my city … I’m disgusted, disappointed not only in Smith, but in Haley and Crennel for allowing it to continue
and more, I’m disappointed in how many APers think it’s all just ha-ha funny and pass it off with a lamea$$ joke … if this was a Bronco or a Raider or anyone from any team OTHER than our own doing this, the entire AP community would be up in arms about …
and now, as reported (below) by RA_ChiefsFan, it’s drawing national attention in a horribly bad way … and yet here we have people b*tching that our poor, poor “Chiefs get no respect” … guess what, this is NOT respectable, it’s wronger than wrong and I’m disgusted … not only should the league fine and suspend him, I’m calling here for the Chiefs to do the RIGHT thing and fine him 2 games worth of his salary for this disgusting BS
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Not saying I necessarily agree with it either Ups...
But this kind of stuff goes on all the time in the NFL. Biting, gouging, nut grabbing… when teams get into these piles like the one on the video above, this stuff happens. Mike Vrabel has been accused of this stuff too. Mike seems like a classy guy, and has brought nothing but good to this organization. When players are on the field, this stuff isn’t uncommon. It’s a man’s game and if the opposition isn’t smart enough to wear their protective gear, then there will be players that will exploit that. It’s just the nature of the game.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
that doesn't make it RIGHT ... nor does it mean we (or anyone else) should APPROVE of it
yet we do by passing it off with jokes, or comments like “it happens all the time” … with that kind of attitude, of course it does, we allow it and encourage it (hey, we can make jokes about it … oh cool, a bit on Leno or Letterman about it, we’re famous now!)
no, it’s wrong, period … cheating is cheating, wrong is wrong, low-class is low-class … it really IS just that simple
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Cheating is a pretty harsh comment.
It’s a penalty and its against the rules. What makes this so dirty from a late hit on a quarterback or someone who is constantly horsecollaring or face masking?
Or taunting? Or anything really…
Oh I know. It’s because people are so homophobic the thought of a football player purposely touching a ball sack makes them up in arms. OMG ITS SO EFFFIN GUHROSSS!!!
Dirty, yes I’ll agree. It should stop for both the chiefs and his own good. Disgusting, degrading, morally wrong, cheating, BLAH blah BLah…..not so much.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Get over yourself
No one is raising the issue about homophobic except you since it is apparently on your mind. The difference between face masking or horsecollar is those are normally not intentional misconduct but more of the result of reaction or the movement of the play. Cheating by intentionally grabbing some guy’s crotch is a lowlife play.
Get over myself?
How about you get over this issue. I don’t condone dirty play and I think Smith deserves any kind of fine the NFL wants to hand him down. I also hope he doesn’t do it again.
But I’m not going to get up in arms about it and suggest that he doesn’t belong on the team like UPs has been doing.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
I’m disgusted, disappointed not only in Smith, but in Haley and Crennel for allowing it to continue
I think you’re wrong here ups. During the game, right after that penalty Haley pulled Smith out of the game and was chewing his ass on the sidelines. It hasn’t gone unnoticed by the coaching staff.
by TheScootness on Sep 28, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Scoot, if that's indeed the case then I'll ease up on criticism of Haley, etc ...
… that said, a public statement would go a long ways to resolving this BS once and for all, and so far I haven’t heard anything from One Arrowhead Drive about it, have you?
nothing last week or this … it COULD have been taken care of a week ago, but instead it’s continued … that says something to me, and it isn’’t good
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Haley said:
I’m unaware of this… but the NFL has some of the best officiating in all of sports. If there was something going on outside of the rules, I’m sure there would be a penalty flag thrown.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a loose quotation.
He talked about it in his press conference yesterday.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
in other words ...
"I'm Todd Haley and I approve of this tactic"
now I’m REALLY disappointed … that’s sad
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I understand if it happens once
maybe you get pissed off and retailiated for some reason…..but for it to happen twice in two weeks….its obvious he is doing it on purpose….and thats fucked up…play the damn game, if you need to use tactics like that to get an advantage its just lame.
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Why do you watch football?
This shit does happen all the time, it’s like driving over the speed limit. Is it illegal? Sure, but i know you have done it so why don’t you step down off the high horse and come hang out with the rest of us.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
let's just say that I don't watch it in order to see guys getting their nuts grabbed, ok?
“high horse?” please …
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Answer the question, you keep avoiding it.
Do you speed or have you ever driven over the speed limit? Do you think N. Smith and D. Carter should have been cut because you dont like dirty players and do you think Marty should have been fired?
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Haley was definietly tearing a strip off Smith.
Drop the f***ing balls, Drop the f***ing balls!
by saskwatch on Sep 28, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha!
That made coffee come out of my nose. Funny stuff!
by MissionJayhawk on Sep 28, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Scoot, if that’s indeed the case then I’ll ease up on criticism of Haley, etc …
… that said, a public statement would go a long ways to resolving this BS once and for all, and so far I haven’t heard anything from One Arrowhead Drive about it, have you?
nothing last week or this … it COULD have been taken care of a week ago, but instead it’s continued … that says something to me, and it isn’’t good
I’m not sure you can say it could have been taken care of a week ago – by the time Mack reacted to the supposed infraction by blasting DJ after the whistle blew, it was several plays later…maybe even a series later. But, during the SF game, the reaction happened immediately, and Haley responded.
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I can understand your not liking it and think it merits a fine
but two weeks pay? C’mon man. That’s ridiculous. Players get fined $5-$15k for helmet to helmet hits that can cause serious brain trauma, and here, we’re talking about a relatively harmless crotch grab meriting a more severe sanction from the NFL than anything other than off the field rape, DUI, or steroid abuse.
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by Sudden on Sep 28, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its football.
Get over it.
Some guys play dirty. Personally, I’m glad we have someone who does. If you can get into a rookie’s head with some extra-curricular shit, DO IT. He has given opposing offenses 30 yards of penalties, that makes it tough for them to move the chains and stay on the field…which makes it tough for them to score…which makes us a better defense.
If you’ve ever played football you know this goes on ALL the time.
I wholeheartedly approve of it. Its a game, do what you can to win.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Sep 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haley needs to put a stop to this now!!!
I was just listening to a Miami radio station online and they just talked about this as part of their sports segment and started talking about how dirty of a player he is. He needs to quit this now before we start getting a bad reputation…
+14
totally agreed, RA … thanks for the heads-up on that Miami talk show bit, that says a lot (and it’s not good)
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They talked about it on
Pardon the Interruption yesterday.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope we get a bad reputation.
As in we are a bunch of crazed individuals that will do anything to win. If that makes the other team think about it for just 5 minutes that takes away from their serious game preparation.
You think those defenses Marty had in the 90’s were choir boys? Or what about the Steel Curtain? Those guys were NUTS, and probably grabbed some too.
If you aren’t willing to get a little “nasty” you shouldn’t be on defense. That’s the way the game is played.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Sep 28, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So used to be shots to the head
That is not about how game is played unless you have to cheat to cover your inability as a player. Players used to claim it was also how the game was played to plant their helmet into the back of the head of a player down on the field. That was also lowlife and finally, the league had to stress how lowlife it was to get chumps to stop. Playing the game is about outplaying your opponent, not about seeing how much the player can get away with cheating. The fact that you think this is okay and want more players to do the same, says alot about you. None of it good.
Hmmm...I'll take a guess that you never played football.
Its not “cheating”, its dirty, but not cheating. Cheating is putting helium in the ball (does that even work?), cheating is taking roids, cheating is paying off the referees.
Throwing a punch at a guy’s balls is just dirty, but it sends a message too. Think that was in Davis’ head the rest of the game? Think that threw him off his game? Hell yes to both. Ball-punching is not the only way to do it, shit-talking, eye-gouging, throat grabbing, and the occasional middle finger (thanks Vrabel) are other iterations. Some guys do it, others don’t.
In my opinion, granted I’m a Defensive Lineman, all those rules to protect QB’s and “defenseless” receivers are bullshit (no helmet-to-helmet contact?? Thats why you wear them, so you can hit somebody!!). I used to get cheap shotted all the time, think the ref’s see every chop block? Hardly.
I think the only thing this says about me is that I actually played the sport (at a competitive level) and I know what goes on in between the lines. The only “cheap-shots” that are frowned upon by players (ALL players) are ones to intentionally injure (Knees, ankles). I’d rather get my balls yanked on than have some guy try to roll up my knee any day of the week.
So get real and don’t judge me cause i have a pair and actually played the sport that you think you can comment intelligently on.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Shaun Smith: "The Nutcracker."
And now we’ve even got it on tape. Boy, he’ll never live this down…
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-Marty Schottenheimer
I understand that Shaun wants to be intimidating
But there has GOT to be a cleaner way to do it than that.
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
Thats it...
how can you tell? looks like he’s falling and he’s grabbing whatever he can to stop, hand slips pass the jersey might hit the guy in the balls but hell wear a cup…quite crying…
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Sep 28, 2010 8:03 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
two weeks in a row though is a bit suspect to just be falling down and trying to grab something
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The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't wear cups in football
EVER
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Right On Mr. Smith, keep them poor o-linemen worried about their jewels,
instead of blocking. I thought this was funny as hell, and it happens in every game, some sort of violation against somebody. Sore losers come to mind after getting their buts kicked.
by dubld on Sep 28, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This happens more than you think....
when your a losing team…everything is an issue…excuses are like @ssholes everyone has one and they all stink….What was clear is that Davis should of been ejected…
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by porkchop_sandwiches on Sep 28, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
no, what's clear is that Smith is the wrong player for this team
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Laughable
He is EXACTLY what we need. He was dominating the 49ers OL in case you didn’t happen to watch the game.
He is also an emotional leader, I’m more worried about what we are going to do when T-Jax returns. Shaun is playing GREAT football right now.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Sep 28, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No hard proof
Looks like he did it by mistake . no hard proof to fine a man but Davis should get a big fine for punching Smith like he did .
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by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Sep 28, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How dumb would you really have to be with 21 other players on the field
with you NOT to protect that area?
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
I had a coach who played in the pro''s
and he said he never saw anyone use a cup. Line play is full of collisions and jockeying for position and shit happens. What to do, man up and play what else.
by dubld on Sep 28, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Play football without a cup? Wow.
Didn’t play in the NFL, personally…but we always had a cup on in school.
Seriously? Never really thought about it (and kinda’ sorry I am now)…but I just assumed every player on the field had protection down below.
I guess we valued our goodies more back then?
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Scoot, I think the "point" here isn't whether (opposing) players do or don't use a cup
… but rather that Smith is playing dirty INTENTIONALLY … that’s just plain wrong, and I’m beginning to suspect it’s encouraged by Crennel and perhaps Haley/Pioli … certainly they’ve been giving it “tacit approval” thus far, and that’s beyond disappointing
one day they talk about “character” but then it turns out the character is actually low … not sure there’s enough vodka in the world to make this kind of thing palatable
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I'm glad we got that bothersome "innocent until proven guilty" crap out of the way
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Currently the evidence is inconclusive
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
*cough*
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That didn't really answer the question. =)
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh c'mon
You’ve gotta respect that kind of answer. I like it!
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
only a lawyer would like that answer
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Ouch
I more like the fact that he’s refusing to be boxed into a corner by stating his opinion before he’s ready.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
This
I don’t know whether Smith is doing it or not.
And I don’t know if it happens all the time, but only gets noticed when the grab-ee throws a fit and receives a 15 yard personal foul penalty.
I do know that based on all of the video clips I have seen thus far, the evidence is inconclusive.
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was a great answer.
or non-answer… =)
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
by NJ Chiefs Fan
The reason he did it ( Is his left leg slipped & then his right leg slipped) . Since he is a K.C. Chiefs member, I forgive #90 ! Bring on the Colts !
by 65tosspowertrap on Sep 28, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude
Lol how are you so angry about this? Nut grabbing and football is like coffee and a donut. Hell nut grabbing is probably the nicest thing they do when in piles. If you have ever played the game you understand. I’m for it (not getting my nuts squeezed hell i’d wear a cup if i was facing him) but if u can get any edge on another players mental state DO IT I’m fine with it and frankly don’t see why you’re so hurt over it. Its like the kid that got socks for christmas insteada stretch armstrong.
by Tmac1166 on Sep 28, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one uses cups
and i mean NO ONE. Never once seen a guy in College with a cup on. It hampers your running and makes everybody think you’re a pussy.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on Sep 28, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I am just blind....
I must be blind cause I didnt really see anything. Hopefully the fine givers are as blind as I am.
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by Pixel_Junkie on Sep 28, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Can't tell much from the angle.
I see a hold by Anthony Davis.
by Pilcrow on Sep 28, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No fine from that camera angle
He’ll eventually be caught if he keeps it up. Probably time to stop while you’re ahead Shaun.
Got this on order...
never posted a photo, so I hope this works out…
by OnlyKCFanNVA on Sep 28, 2010 8:22 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Aaaaaaaaaand....
Hulkified…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 28, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Joel beat me out, as I saw this on CBS and wrote a little post.
Slow down with the coffee already Joel, how are we gonna come up with something if you always beat us to it?
Well, whether he did or he didn't, now opposing players are
going to be looking in Shaun Smith’s direction and thinking about covering their nuts. They may even take pregame precautions such as wearing a cup. But they are going to be thinking about their nether regions rather than concentrating on football.
"The Hammer"
by G.L. on Sep 28, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Chopper... SICK BALLS!
Obligatory Sand Lot reference.
by Pilcrow on Sep 28, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you mean "Stand By Me" reference
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Sep 28, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Taking a page out of Vrabel’s book.
Just a matter of time before Smith gets taken out “accidently” if he keeps it up. 1 Chop block is all it takes.
I actually don't mind that kind of thing
If a player’s gonna play dirty, they need to get straightened out.
I like seeing this kind of stuff resolved without having to bring the league into it. Kind of like I’d rather see more trash talkers get straightened out by a quick elbow than bringing in the cops…
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
If you aint cheatin', you aint tryin'
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
by ArrowDread on Sep 28, 2010 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Personally, i think its a cheap shot
and classless…..call it what it is guys.
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
by KCinAZ on Sep 28, 2010 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
+1,000,000 KCinAZ
thank you!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
and why the f**k..
would you want to be grabbing another mans balls for?
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
A favorable 15 yard penalty?
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Sep 28, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw the move when it happened
and immediately hit rewind and watched it frame-by-frame with the zoom on to show my guests. Watching it that way, it was VERY obvious, by both watching Shaun and Mack that he grabbed him by the dick.
It’s not cheating unless you’re caught. And this was another instance where the second guy got caught.
You couldn't see anything with Mack.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Jayhawk ... cheating is indeed cheating, regardless of being caught or not
you’re dead wrong there, Jayhawk … 100% wrong
sad that youi and so many others think like that, too
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I shouldnt have said anything about cheating. You’re correct, cheating IS cheating but what Smith did was more “dirty” than it was cheating.
Taking steroids, that’s cheating. Riding a bicycle in a leg-race, that’s cheating. Porking some chick while your wife’s at home…well you get the point.
holy nutgrab!
otherwise, congrats to your excellent start… in our league I have picked the Chiefs to win all 3 weeks and after 3 weeks I’m in the lead by one game… so I have KC to thank!
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by Simms-McConkey on Sep 28, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't necessarily condone dirty play...................
but……………….I can remember plays by another Smith (Neil) such as getting up from the pile and stepping on a Denver Bronco’s hand. So, Neil Smith is held in great respect by many Chiefs fans, but let’s not forget that Neil could play a little dirty at times, as well. It happens. It is football, and some players are just that way. Man, if you guys can’t remember some dirty stuff that happened to you when you were playing, then I guess I must have just played against some nasty players because I can sure remember the dirty stuff.
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by G.L. on Sep 28, 2010 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I remember playing against a guy
who weighed way over three hundred pounds and who nearly broke my ankle by rolling over on it as it twisted. To add insult to injury, he bit my damned leg!
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by G.L. on Sep 28, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't really tell from the video. I don't think he'll get fined for it.
I’m not saying he did or didn’t do it. Just saying the evidence is pretty flimsy.
by SupremeChief on Sep 28, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Whatever works!
It ain’t your nuts…so why y’all bitchin? Dirty, classless, who cares? It gets in their head and gets the job done…
by dbowefosho on Sep 28, 2010 8:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
so you'd condone this and other types of dirty play if it was the Raiders doing it to us?
you’;d be “ok” with their fans talking like you’re talking now?
somehow I dobut it …
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Sure i think we would be pissed
and i would fully expect payback from one of our guys.
The Raiders Chiefs game have been dirty hard fought contests since back in the AFL days. So are you telling me that you dont like Neil Smith or Dale Carter? Those guys played pretty dirty but im sure you were dissapointed in Marty then too.
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by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't approve of our players using dirty tactics back then, nor do I approve of it now
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Have you ever drove over the speed limit?
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by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I have
does that mean I can’t be upset when there is a murder?
One doesn’t apply to the other. The same way speeding doesn’t apply to sportsmanship.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol. Nice response.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Im not saying it does
Im saying that you can’t sit here and bitch about cheaters, when you cheat yourself. Speeding is cheating the law.
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by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
there's a bit of a difference between civil disobedience and nut grabbing
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by upamtn on Sep 28, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is is cheating?
And you are right, one is against the law and the other is against the rules in a game. Get over it, and quit crying about it.
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by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so you condone it?
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Did i say that?
Its the way things are, does it make it right that people do it? No, but it happens. That was my point about speeding, it happens and its not going to change, so why spend time getting your panties in a bunch over it.
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by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
why yes, yes I have ...
… but I’ve never grabbed another driver by the balls in order to pass him on the highway
what about you?
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by upamtn on Sep 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I havn't, but i wouldn't be surprised
if you never forget to cup the balls…..
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by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
remind me sometime to change my route
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I wish i could help you out on your search for free thrills
on the highway, my best guess would be to check rest areas, you might be able to cup or be cupped there.
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by paratrooper on Sep 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Protect your balls... Wear a cup.
It’s not like this is breaking news that balls are sensitive. If they don’t wear the proper gear than its their own damn fault for exposing themselves. Come prepared or get squeezed. Btw, I expect the raiders to play dirty… also not breaking news. Well just have Shaun call you when he wants moral advice.
by dbowefosho on Sep 28, 2010 10:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well duh...
When it’s the other team doing it you obviously won’t condone it. How do you think all the Pats fans felt about Rodney Harrison a few years back? Do you think the Cardinals fans hated Conrad Dobler… or do you think they were happy he was on their team? Last year Hines Ward was voted SI’s dirtiest player. Find me a Steelers fan that wouldn’t take Ward over almost any WR in the league. Titans CB Cortland Finnegan said he wants to be the dirtiest player in the NFL. Hines Ward said of him:
"He has a little nastiness, a little dog in him. I like that," Ward said of Finnegan. "Every time I watch him, I kind of smile. We are still competitors. We are going to go out there and compete and at the end of the game shake hands and wish each other good luck and go on about our business.
This isn’t uncommon Ups. This goes on all around the league. Does that make it right?… No. But it is part of the game. It’s a bunch of grown men playing for million dollar contracts and the chance to win the most prestigious trophy in all of sports. They’re going to be cheap shotting each other sometimes. They’re going to try and do and say things that will give them an edge.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Im not shaking anyones hand
For playing dirty and grabbing my balls….I might punch him in the fucking mouth and when he takes a dirt nap Ill say..“good game”
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by KCinAZ on Sep 28, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Play by the rules
Nobody knows Smith’s intention but, do you think the guy punched him for nothin.
The most important thing you can do in life is help other people.
Yes. And apparently that's what the refs thought...
Good enough for me.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Over on the Dan Patrick show
they are running with this. They got all the nicknames and headlines found on the net. Nuts vrs. Colts. Genital Giant. Watch where you point your arrowhead to name a few.
well, there's the "national attention" everyone was whining about ...
y’all happy now?
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You guys did notice Haley telling him to
“Bring it down. Bring it down.”
He had this cool father-knows-best look on his face, moving his arms in the “settle down” motion.
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Probably a good thing, actually. The last thing this team needs
is to start thinking it’s accomplished something.
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Surely you've been a fan long enough...
…to know that we get zero national love.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Sep 28, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Smith's keeping us under the radar.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Smith's making us look like the Oakland Sleazeballs
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Ups
I am assuming you oppose Haynesworth being able to currently play in the NFL, right?
I mean, he did intentionally squish the unprotected melon of another player with his fat cleat.
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haynesworth is a total piece of ...
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Haynesworth is a total piece of …
We’re on the same page then.
If the league finds convincing evidence that Smith is indeed grabbing the jewels, I will support a penalty of some sort.
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you're going a bit far there.
I am assuming you oppose Haynesworth being able to currently play in the NFL, right?
I think Ups would say Haynesworth should be fined/disciplined (and he was). Unless I missed it, Ups didn’t call for Smith to be thrown out of the league for what has occured so far.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
correct, good catch and thank you
I said that Smith is not the kind of player that I want representing my team and my city … already the Chiefs and Kansas City are getting a boatload of negative national attention from this BS
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Seriously?
That fast?
Ridiculous. This is something that happens all the time at all levels of football. Doesn’t make it OK, but what it DOES make it is a little more understandable. He’s been allowed to do it his whole career, other players have done it to him, etc.
Yelled at? Already done during the game. Even the announcers commented that Haley was in his ear hollering at him right afterward.
FIned? Maybe so, I personally would like to see it done, because I want the game (and our team’s rep) clean.
But Kicked off the team? Too much for too little. If it happens again after disciplinary action, fine, do what you have to do.
But if we were to toss every player off our team that’s ever taken a cheap shot in the pile, I absolutely promise you we’d lose every single guy on our team. And we wouldn’t be able to sign a single other player in the NFL (except maybe some guys that have never been in a pile).
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
well, then ... I guess it's "ok" if we turn into the Kansas City "Raiders"
… and their fans …
“yeah, we have a dirty team of cheapshot artists and we’re PROUD of that!”
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Yep, that's what I said
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
and to me, that's kinda sad to think that we'd go there
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Ups, I don't like having what I said twisted into something I didn't say
I REPEATEDLY said that he should be punished.
How is that being proud of cheap shots?
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
MN, I think you and I are basically on the same page here ...
it’s so many OTHER comments that seem to be of that “Raider Mentality” that bother me
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Ahh I see
My bad, didn’t mean to bite your head off.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
no worries, I have plenty of extras
little teeny tiny ones on a shelf down in the lab
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Haha funny
And gross.
And a really vivid picture in my head now….
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
like this?
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Kind of
But with fewer words and more tiny heads…
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
wow, no clue what happened there ...
http://www.monstersagogo.com/blog/uploaded_images/Shrunken-Heads-742534.jpg
check the actual URL link … looked like heads instead of words to me
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Wow
You sir, are a disturbed and very cool man…
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
well thank you! I appreciate your kind words!
and I don’t usually do the “name dropping” thing, but Michael Keaton and I are pretty close, sometimes we hang out …
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Now if Shaun went that far we might have a serious problem...
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ha!
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Ha Rec
That was funny.
And I agree. If he bites a man’s head off, we definitely need to cut him.
Or maybe not, because that would scare the crap out of me…
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
So we'd better
Kick Kendrick Lewis off the team as well. After all, he hit a defenseless receiver and got flagged for us.
A hundred times more dangerous than what Smith did, and just as cheap.
He’s making us look bad! We’re turning into the Raiders! Cut him NOW!
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
you forgot to use the sarcasm font
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Sorry
I thought it was clear enough. :)
All I’m trying to say is that although it’s not good and should be punished, I think cutting him at this point would be excessive.
I’d be willing to bet that after all this publicity Haley has torn him a new one all over again.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope so ...
I’d be willing to bet that after all this publicity Haley has torn him a new one all over again
and that it DOESN’T happen again … if so, then yeah, I think I’d seriously cut the guy
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I wonder...
If Smith’s going to have to actually be “cleaner” than the average guy now.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And yes
If it happens a 3rd time, especially after getting harped on by the coach, then it’s time to seriously consider cutting him.
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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
If this is our biggest problem at this point...
Then, I’d say we’re okay.
Chiefs will. But...will Cassel?
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by Scott B. on Sep 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I prefer to call him Shaun "The Squirrel" Smith.
Nutcracker is kind of… “meh” to me.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Did anyone see the game last night? It looked like Peppers took a shot to the junk...
He was out for a couple of plays kind of bent over on the sideline.
This morning Bob Fescoe got a text from “a former Chiefs player” that said no one wore a cup.
Look… a lot of people might not like how Smith’s playing, but there’s an easy solution. Wear the proper protective gear… especially when you play the Chiefs. Bottom line is that Smith is drawing penalties from these guys for retaliation, he’s getting them stirred up, and it’s resulting in wins.
Not only that… but this kind of stuff goes on in every game, all the time. Maybe not nut punching, but players are doing things to each other to gain a competitive advantage. That’s just the way it is.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is there even a no nut contact rule in the nfl
unless he throws a punch or a kick how is this breaking the rules
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by Bleedzredngold on Sep 28, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Unsportsmanlike Conduct is pretty much a judgement call.
Yes, Shaun will get penalized and/or fined if he keeps this up. “Giving ’em the business” is not tolerated.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 28, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Unsportsmanlike conduct is a non-contact violation
It would just be a personal foul.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
As fouls go
they don’t get any more personal. :)
by MissionJayhawk on Sep 28, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
STAY OFF THE D'S PILE!!!!
EVERYONE knows if they played football…. that the pile is the D’s….. Offensive linemen always take cheap shots at the ribs or the back with a helmet at Defensive player in that pile! So STAY OFF THE PILE!!!
Oh yeah!!!! LOSING TEAMS ALWAY CRY WHEN THERE LOSING….CRY BABYS….
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by AngryKitty on Sep 28, 2010 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This discussion is stupid.
What makes the junk off-limits? Because most of us are caught up on some Freudian Retention Complex? Because it is very sensitive?
Completely asinine. No body part is off limits when making contact and delivering or driving through a block or tackle. We make exceptions for the head and neck because those can kill or paralyze you.
The nuts are not special, if you want them protected, then don gear like you do for your head, shoulders, hips, thighs, knees…
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
gee soybon, maybe you're right ...
maybe it’s ok to spit on players from the other team, too … or try to poke a finger in their eyes when you tackle them … hell, let’s just let ‘em all kick each other in the nuts, yeah!!! that’ll do it, we’ll be able to get the QB on EVERY DAMNED PLAY!!!
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by upamtn on Sep 28, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know over the years that this type of thing happens
especially in fumble piles. Stinky himself (Mark Schlereth) talks about the punching, grabbing, gouging, etc that happens. These platers are not nice. Watch footage of tackles from HOF players and you will see they weren’t playing 2-hand tag.
by Ren on Sep 28, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe it’s ok to spit on players from the other team, too … or try to poke a finger in their eyes when you tackle them …
You are aware this happens on nearly every play, right?
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're aware that it's still wrong ... right?
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Yes
and obviously, the league lets it go…consistently…hundreds of times a season…
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be silly,
There are real dangers in football… junk-grabbing, spitting, and eye-gouging are not among them. A hard hit in the NFL is approximately the force delivered by a bowling ball dropped from 13 stories high.
If another player loses his cool over harmless, but psychologically affronting acts, then that player must work on his mental game.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
Ray Lewis was on the Dan Patrick Show today.
He didn’t seem to be aware of the accusations against Smith, but he was asked if that kind of thing goes on in piles. And he responded pretty matter of factly that oh yeah, that and all kinds of other stuff. He acted like it was no big deal.
by Tarkus on Sep 28, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Interesting
Not sure I agree (that it’s no big deal), but then, I don’t really have the credentials to talk about it like a Hall of Fame MLB…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It is no big deal.
Some players have the mental toughness to not be bothered by these things.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Sep 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow.
I think this stuff is getting a little ridiculous.
I get that it’s dirty, and stupid. But now I see a few people saying he shouldn’t be on the team.
Let’s hold our horses a little bit and see what happens from here, shall we? I mean, a little perspective folks… A cheap shot is definitely NOT cool, but perhaps we should maybe consider not treating this like the worst thing that’s ever been done.
Again, NOT condoning the action. But let’s not overreact to the “OMG they might burn the Koran!” level….
It needs to be dealt with, but from what I’ve found, this has never been an issue in his career. So Perhaps we could settle for, “hey, knock it off Shaun”, and wait and see, rather than calling for his head.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Nice.
But let’s not overreact to the "OMG they might burn the Koran!" level
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
I find it hypocritical that Bibles get burned and Christians are getting killed in other parts of the world (my friend is a missionary in Egypt, and it’s crazy some of the things that they have to do to stay safe) and no one blinks, but one nutcase who just wants publicity threatens to burn the Koran and everyone freaks out.
But that’s just my soapbox for the day. I’m done now
(gets off the soapbox)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Not start an off topic discussion
but one reason for that disparity might be the completely different way each of those religions view their respective holy books.
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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 28, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Joel....
all this talk about nut-grabbing and nobody apparently caught the errors in the body. You claimed that Smith did it in Week 1 against Cleveland and Week 2 against San Fran. It should read Week 2 against Cleveland and Week 3 against San Fran.
Also, they mentioned this on the radio in San Diego this morning. It was quite funny that they said Shaun Smith has now grabbed two sacks, but that they don’t show up on the stat sheet.
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 28, 2010 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I bet it happened during the SD game...
They’re just waiting for payback time.
Come on guys, have you never heard of offensive linemen being taught to 'nutblock'?
My father was a football coach for 30 years and at every oline clinic he went to they always preached nut blocking for OL, They didn’t actually grope anyone but they would always keep their hands lower than normal so if the DL tried get up and batt down a pass, hand might slip and knock him in the nuts, perfectly legal and most OL coaches at every level teach this to keep the DLs hands down
by irishking44 on Sep 28, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Peyton your next!!!!
Joseph Addai your on deck!!!
and, Reggie Wayne your in the hole!!
Go ahead Shaun! The trend is working!!! Get you some!
by ChiefsatWar on Sep 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is football
Nasty shit happens in pile-ups. Fingers and ankles twisted, eyes gauging, biting, clawing, and yes, the occasional nut grab and twist.. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t played much football.
The back-and-forth between Smith and Davis happened all game, and I saw Davis blocking Smith after the whistle multiple times. Both players were going at it the entire game, and Davis’ genitals just happened to be at the wrong place (Smith’s fist) at the wrong time (when the officials weren’t watching).
by Nick Britt on Sep 28, 2010 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Looks like it might have happened
But it’s not at all clear to me that it was intentional. It’s a super slo-mo replay so the arm movement in real time would be pretty quick. It looks like he punched his package, but there’s nothing in this replay that makes it look intentional. I don’t think they can do much with this. I hope Haley talks to him about it, just to make sure he doesn’t get a rep, but I would be surprised if the league took any public action (maybe a word to the Chiefs in private to make sure Smith doesn’t intentionally go after privates).
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. ~ Groucho Marx
by Big Chief on Sep 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Look at how beloved Albert Haynesworth is....
Just a few years after he stomped some poor dudes face in with his cleats! I was at the game and Smith was getting both the defense AND the crowd pumped up. Our D needs someone like this, i’m not advocating what he does but i’m sure it goes on a lot more than you guys think. Watching him the last few games he’s been playing pretty damn good and with an attitude.
by calichief on Sep 28, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I have a hard time understand why this is even a topic
It happens. If the officials see it, they will call it.
It goes on in every NFL/College/Highschool game out there. Like it or not, it happens.
Old guys rule...yeah you might have youth and talent on your side...but I have time and treachery...
by The G on Sep 28, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
It happens all the time
When was the last time you heard about it happening? Either it doesn’t happen all the time, or what happened here was different enough to draw comments from two separate players.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 28, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I coach football
It happens constantly
Old guys rule...yeah you might have youth and talent on your side...but I have time and treachery...
by The G on Sep 28, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All you smith haters out there that thinks hes not right for this team now? all i can say is what the Fuck you smokin? He has been a BIG part of this D and our WINS? Get over your selves! And i never saw upman answer the question about him ever speedin ?
its illegal right but you do it anyway Get over it!
by Brock McManis on Sep 28, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yep.
There are guys in the hall of fame that have done a lot worse than this. Not supporting nut grabbing I guess but, I certainly love the intensity. I said last season they needed a “nasty” D player. I believe Smith is just that. However, I do fear the bullseye on our back from refs.
Is it cheap? Yeah. Is it Dirty? Yeah. Is it effective? Yeah. Did anyone get hurt? No.
My good buddy played pro rugby in England, and in the first scrum of the game, his opposing guy slapped him across the face, and made my friend so mad he played the dumbest, worst game he’d ever played. Afterwards the all the players go out for beer, and the slapper hands him a pint and my friend, who is still fuming, says you made me so mad!
and the guy says, of course I did, that was the point.
Things may get nasty. Football is a bit of a nasty sport, but as long as nobody gets hurt, it’s all fair as far as I am concerned.
by Ben Rogers on Sep 28, 2010 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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