Time To Be Heard, Again...
I haven’t written a FanPost in quite awhile, not that I forgot how, but wanted to sit back relax a little and watch how the site progressed through the season. I also haven’t had much time to dedicate to searching out a topic or opinion I may have had and putting something together worthy of reading for you guys and gals to share with.
As a senior member of AP in both age and time spent here, I wanted to bring to the front a topic that may help us understand why we see the content we have been seeing on AP the last few weeks. Believe it or not young people I actually was young once also and was always quick to get turned around in the wrong direction on a whim if things didn’t go my way. It’s always best and easy to blame someone else or the circumstances if your team doesn’t win every week or your players don’t lead the League in every positive category each week of the season. Why wait for good things to happen when it takes work and time to perfect a program that is still seemingly new to some people?
I mean, hey- they drafted some of the best rookies this year so they should be the best in all three phases of the game each week, right? We have two really good coordinators so each of those teams should be as good as their reputation now instead of later, right? The GM, HC, and OC and DC have upteen Super Bowl appearances between them, so we should get one now, right?
Or, we have a great RB in Charles, so why bring in Jones, right? We have Brodie Croyle, so why bring in Matt Cassel, right?
IS THERE ANYONE OTHER THAN ME THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT THESE PLANS TAKE TIME TO DEVELOP, IMPLEMENT AND PERFECT TO BECOME A WINNING ORGANIZATION IN PROFESSIONAL SPORTS?
Time doesn’t equate to Right Now!
Let me repeat that, in 49 years of life and 47 years of watching and being a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs, Time doesn’t equate to Right Now!
I looked at some stats for Arrowhead Pride today and was amazed to find something interesting.
Charles/Jones = has seen 13 Stories written, 31 Fanposts written, 3 Fanshots and 232 comments when used that way.
Jones/Charles = has seen 9 Stories written, 19 Fanposts written, 3 Fanshots and 147 comments when used that way.
Cassel = has seen 1010 Stories written, 1344 Fanposts written, 701 Fanshots and 22,500 comments when used that way.
And just to say I looked at it, Carl Peterson = has seen 267 Stories written, 215 Fanposts written, 115 Fanshots and 1371 comments when used that way.
Point being, we are seeing way too many things said about Charles and Jones, and Matt Cassel and we are losing stories, posts and comments about the Chiefs overall that need to be seen by every fan. I don’t know of anyone on this site that can change the way Charles and Jones are used, how many carries they will get or who starts. I also don’t know of anyone here that can change Cassel’s contract, have him sit the bench or trade him know matter how the season goes.
I think some of the frustration of these few topics mentioned are age of the author. I believe patience is most often tied directly to age. Its easier for young people to get frustrated with a subject and its easier for older folk to let things take their course.
People, we are 2-0 right now and despite how we got there, a year from now know one will remember or care how bad someone might have played or how many carries someone got. They will know however that after two tough games, we are 2-0.
Success takes time and as fans we have to be patient. If you lived through the late 70’s and early 80’s with this organization you know exactly what I mean.
I know everyone here means well, but we are all here for one common reason and that is we are part of Americas Best Professional Franchise...The Kansas City Chiefs!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Should be a different tone when all three phases are clicking. Maybe rough here for awhile, but I think once Indy and Houston road games are over, I think things will start clicking all around for a strong playoff run!
Nice to hear from you....
But I guess its getting to a point that all the post saying “STOP POSTING ABOUT JC/TJ and MATT CASSELL” are getting a little repetitive….lol
However, I don’t think its necessarily young(in age) authors primarily responsible for this phemenon. I think with the Chiefs unconventially starting the season 2-0 is so surreal, no one really knows how to handle it.
Lets face it a team without and sure-fired identity is 2-0. This means 2 things.
1.) Our luck is eventually going to run out and our record is going to reflect it, or
2.) The last two games bought us enough time to develop some strengths, and will be something to build on, luckily for us the last 2 games have resulted in wins.
In the meantime remember, Kool-aid is only needed when it seems like there isnt light at the end. and the Chiefs have left a lot of room for both optimisms and criticisms… Which are you being?
My advice be a realist
Eric Berry once won a game of Connect Four in 3 moves.
SC: And you probably don't mind all of those Ed Reed comparisons you get?
EB: (Laughs) No, not at all
oh yea REC'D!
Eric Berry once won a game of Connect Four in 3 moves.
SC: And you probably don't mind all of those Ed Reed comparisons you get?
EB: (Laughs) No, not at all
I like where we are right now..
Obviously we should all like being 2-0.. But we are a lot better than I thought we would be at this point. This week should show us the true identity of the Chiefs. We are going up against a very pissed off 49ers team that most are predicting to win their division.
"It's still real to me dammit!"
Listen to this man.
He’s old… he must be wise.
Thanks Lanier.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 24, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions
Al Davis is old too.
But he’s senile, and I dont think Lanier is old enough to be senile yet…
One of the founding members of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fanclub
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
by nateforchiefs on Sep 25, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice Post Lanier
Question?
On Sunday night after the game are the posts going to be?
Negative on someone or everyone for the loss or Playoffs Baby with a Win?
I feel like I’m two again?
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
Lanier63....It is great to hear from you....
Thank you for your contribution…
I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??
by Cowboynchrist on Sep 24, 2010 5:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Rec'd Mr. Lanier
I have also been sitting back just watching. I have been thinking about all the same as you. I have also been sitting back and watching all the arguing and fighting. I figured I’d just keep my mouth closed. I understand that they are going to play whoever they believe will matchup best. That means whichever RB they have out there is the one they believe (By looking at film of previous games and all) will do the best against the opposing D. Everyone needs to have their own opinion and debate is always good around here but all to often it gets outta hand. I know everyone can handle themselves but my point is we are arguing about the same things over and over and over again because the same posts keep coming over and over and over again. Thanks for the post and it was great hearing from you again.
Yesterday is a cancelled check. Today is cash on the line. Tomorrow is a promissory note. - The greatest coach ever - Hank Stram
"Things haven't gone our way. Maybe if we were in the NFC, we'd be right in the thick of it. Actually, I'm just kidding about that." - The Founder - Lamar Hunt
by ArrowHeadUnDead on Sep 24, 2010 5:53 PM CDT reply actions
And that's why i've taken myself out of the debate.
I’m actually part of the problem, not part of the solution. Yes, i’m a homer but, I still like getting along with these guys so from now on……no fighting from me. But i will say GO CHIEFS from time to time and Rec the hell out of things.
Im a homer too lol
No problems bro, like I said, you have an opinion too. I love to debate, I just haven’t found something I feel needs to be debated. I trust the leaders to do whats best for the team.
Yesterday is a cancelled check. Today is cash on the line. Tomorrow is a promissory note. - The greatest coach ever - Hank Stram
"Things haven't gone our way. Maybe if we were in the NFC, we'd be right in the thick of it. Actually, I'm just kidding about that." - The Founder - Lamar Hunt
by ArrowHeadUnDead on Sep 24, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Other than my grammar lol
I haven’t found anything
Yesterday is a cancelled check. Today is cash on the line. Tomorrow is a promissory note. - The greatest coach ever - Hank Stram
"Things haven't gone our way. Maybe if we were in the NFC, we'd be right in the thick of it. Actually, I'm just kidding about that." - The Founder - Lamar Hunt
by ArrowHeadUnDead on Sep 24, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, your grammar can't be worse than mine.
Not too many grammar police around here which is cool. Basically, i’ve found myself recently in a conversation that was getting pretty heated (myself to blame) so I backed away from it. I absolutely love this site but, lately folks have been going after each other the way they do over at the Star. Of course i’m not comparing AP to the Star (ridiculous). I just don’t want to be part of that problem.
Hey Lanier
If I rec this, does that make me an old fart?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
so that no one else has to be,
I’ll be happy to be the only “old Fart” on AP! :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Uhhhh heeemm Really? Thanks Lanier : )
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Sep 25, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
How is this any different than every other season since AP came into existence?
There is always a hot topic of the time that gets people fired up and posting about. Half the group will post one opinion and then the other half post rebuttles, people get fired up and it goes back and forth.
Happens all the time.
I don’t know of anyone on this site that can change the way Charles and Jones are used, how many carries they will get or who starts. I also don’t know of anyone here that can change Cassel’s contract, have him sit the bench or trade him know matter how the season goes.
I don’t know of anyone that can influence whether the team wins or not on Sundays by discussing offensive line production or QB pressures either, but we still talk about those.
Stat of the day:
2009 & 2010 seasons
Avg. offensive points per game in which Charles gets fewer than 15 carries: 14
Avg. offensive points per game in which Charles gets more than 15 carries: 22
I am so glad to hear from you! :)
nice comeback with the stats, I didnt know that.
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
DJ
avg wins would be a good stat too :)
I am having a issue on another post though.
be back soon
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 24, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right
3 of the Chiefs 4 wins last year came in games Charles carried the ball 17 or more times. The exception was a game against Washington we won 14-6 (which we got with 3 FGs and a Safety).
In general, your chances of winning are more likely the more points you score.
I hope Charles gets 20 carries vs SF
is the featured back too, with some flat passes to boot.
We need Charles this week to beat the 49ers
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 24, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest Im getting tired of AP
When we were losing, it was a site of optimism and hope. Now we’re winning (2 freakin’ games!) and the site has turned negative.
People need to sit back and enjoy the game of football.
Don't be
with a couple more games the site will swing either non-readable negative or non-readable optimist :)
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 24, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
there is nothing negative about pointing out areas that we need to improve...
In fact, I feel it is responsible fandom…
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
but wouldnt you argree it begins to be irresponsible fandom
when the same subject is broached over and over and over and over again in the first two weeks? of a winning season?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Lanier
Your stats in the post reminded me of something so I posted a fan shot
The pure joy of the Chiefs fans overwhelmed AP again. It is not the 1st time and if I had to guess AP and the possibilities drive a few if not many improvements system wide.
The new posters have the same questions and in masse ask the same questions and argue the answers too.
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 24, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry I've let you down. As the "Beating a dead horse" picture poster I haven't been active enough.
I will redouble my efforts in the near future.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Sep 25, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
And here we have the third annual Lanier63 "Nobody move, nobody get's hurt" post.
I agree with you Lanier. It ain’t pretty but for God’s sake, we’re 2-0. That’s way beyond my wildest expectations. We have a new offensive coaching brain-trust and it’s obviously going to take some time. The thing I don’t get is why people (AP commenters and Chiefs fans) are at each others throats. Take it easy people. If we go 6-10, 7-9 or 8-8 we have a lot to be happy about because it’ll be a substantially better year compared to where we came from. We’re already up two games in the win column and looking at the schedule, I see some more very winnable games. This team is going to get better and better as the season progresses so please, everyone… step away from the ledge!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
I don't want anyone
Moving out from AP
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
Good post
But for me, i am a fan that see’s the good and the bad. If im pointing out the bad, it only means I want to see improvement. I dont see it as negative. I look at it as something we need to fix or change in order to grow.
I love that we are undefeated. There should be no question that every fan on this site is excited about that…What people are worried about is maintaining a winning record and staying on top of our division. And when you see a GLARING need like more production from the QB, which is the most important position on any football team, I, as a fan, have every right to say it needs fixed..
I think what is happening way too often, is people telling people, they should not think a certain way. They should just be happy the way things are. Stop complaining, stop drinking the kool aid, stop making excuses for bad play….just in general, “If you dont think the way I think then you are totally wrong”…this is a fan site for discussions, rants,praise, …..anything having to do with the Chiefs..good or bad.
I had a guy last yr, after a win, when i pointed out that we won, but there was still a lot of work that needed to be done…tell me that i should wait to say that tomorrow, now is not the time to bash the team, just enjoy the win and shut up….are you kidding me??…Im a grown man and I will say whatever i want in a public forum that was created to discuss my favorite team.
I dont mind debating, expressing my opinion…but dont tell me what i can and cant say, what I can post, how to post it, ect…as long as I am being respectful there should be no problem….if you dont like to hear it, then move on to another post. Let those of us involved in the discussion have our discussion and you go have a discussion that YOU want to be involved in..
Its pretty simple really….
BTW...REC'd
My comment was a little off topic, but i agree that there are too many postings about the same thing. However, I dont know how to change it. People post what is on their minds at the time…Right now the hot topic is Charles and Cassel….next week it may be Glen Dorsey.
But i will say this….if Cassel goes out and lights it up this sunday, and we have 80 post next week about how great he played…nobody will be making post like this, saying we need to stop posting about how great Cassel played…..just saying
Thank you
I love this team.The D has been awsome.I think the games have been fun to watch.I love us building from within.Its been real ruff ride but watching these guys grow has been worth it.The tuffness this team as a hole has displayed in two wins the in the past few years would have been losses.I love the running game and when the passing game catches up we will be a force.these couple of wins are just the break this team needs.
Rec'd and I truly hope people take this sentiment to heart
Like several others have posted here, criticizing your team doesn’t take away from your fandom – I’d call it an expected thing because you want them to be the best they can be. Also, armchair QBing will always be a large part of the appeal to the game.
What makes you a bad fan (I’ll go further and say bad person in general) is when you treat other fans like dirt. The alarming trend I’ve been seeing from far too many on here is to go out of their way to be absolute jerks to people in an attempt to promote some delusional self-importance while offering little else (anything at all?) of substance.
We’re better than that. That said, if you go around asking to be punched in the face…well…
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 25, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions
Great Post, Rec'd
You mentioned SB wins in your story…awhile back I was curious myself, so I wandered over to the mothership and tallied some stats from our Coaching staff (and GM);
Total Years Coaching: 228
Total Years Coaching from those who have SB appearances (both as players and coaches): 215
Total SuperBowl Appearances: 32
Total SuperBowl WINS: 25
Individual Coaching stats (sorted by # of WINNING SB’s):
Name, Yrs NFL Coaching, SB Appearances, SB WINS
Romeo Crennel, 29, 6, 5
Charlie Weis, 32, 5, 4
Emmit Thomas, 30, 3, 3 (1 as Chiefs Player)
Scott Pioli, 19, 4, 3
Steve Hoffman (ST), 20, ?, 3
Maurice Carthon (Ast, HC), 16, 3, 2
Anthony Pleasant (DLine), 1, 2, 2
Bill Muir (OLine), 32, 1, 1
Otis Smith (DQC), 1, 2, 1
Adam Zimmer (LB, Ast), 5, 1, 1
Todd Haley, 13, 1, 0
*Mike Clark (Conditioning) 7, 1, 0
- Mike Clark is also a member of the Strength and Conditioning Hall of Fame
Also note that for those of you with itchy calculator fingers out there, the total years NFL coaching won’t add up against the coaches shown, because there were 6 coaches without SB appearances which I left off for the sake of brevity…
Ok, long story short. I haven’t run these #‘s against any other teams, but it seems to me at least that 25 SB wins to the staff would be pretty much untouched by any other team. That’s a super impressive stat. The tagline would be “Been there. Done that— a BUNCH”.
The most impressive thing for me is not only do just our Coordinators have considerable SB experience (and many wins), but that SB experience goes DEEP into the staff as well. Anytime you’re blessed to be able to put a braintrust like that together, no wonder we’re so dramatically improved this year (to date) over last. I would venture a guess that there isn’t a damn thing that’s ever happened on a Football field they haven’t seen (or been responsible for doing).
My main reason for posting this is, before we aim the keyboard at the team for something, some of you just may want to take a 1/2 second to give some thought that there may be another reason something is or isn’t happening.
Not pointing fingers, just sayin…
"spend all your time on Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes" -- Charlie Weis
by rwalke10 on Sep 25, 2010 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec that is a post anyway
nice work
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 25, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
very well done my friend!
It should be a post. :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
I wasn't trying to steal any of your thunder, so sorry if it gave that impression.
I tallied this back after OTA’s just had it laying around here…
"spend all your time on Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes" -- Charlie Weis
you didnt steal anything
you did a great job of compiling useful information….hence FanPost! :)
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
Ok, fanpost it is...only my 2nd time, so be gentle :)
"spend all your time on Xs and Os and Jimmys and Joes" -- Charlie Weis
good job
He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 25, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions

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