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Charles vs. Carthon - A problem in the locker room

I didn't see this anywhere on AP and was going to make a FanShot but I started getting into it more and decided to make a post. Now I'm not really a big "blogger" and I don't post often. I don't know all the neat formatting tricks and it won't look pretty. But at least I can spell, and put sentences into paragraphs right?

So I was listening to Nick Wright's Podcast yesterday and came across something. Apparently there's ALOT more to this story about Charles saying he is the backup. The podcast is 9/21 - Concerns about Jamaal Charles attitude. 

You can catch it here:

http://www.610sports.com/pages/7606729.php?

It was strange hearing Charles call himself the backup after he and the coaching staff has repeatedly said not to pay attention to who's the starter/backup and that both players know their roles, right? Well it seems that logic is being throw out the window.

Nick Wright says he talked to someone he trusts completely, and a couple of teammates about this. Charles, a couple of times, was put out on the field on 3rd down after riding the bench on 1st and 2nd down. A couple of times that he picked up the first down, he was pulled right back off the field. He was visibly frustrated, but not acting out, not complaining, and doing what he's asked to do. So whats the problem? 

Mo Carthon

Star-divide

So here's the story. Apparently, Charles was coming off the field looking frustrated, and Mo Carthon yelled at him (I'm not going to quote this because I'm not going to listen through the podcast again to find the exact quote) saying something along the lines of 'Don't be so frustrated coming off the field, you're the goddamn backup' and was berating him on the sideline. He embarrassed him in front of the team. After this, Jamaal went "into a tent" sat on the bench, kept to himself, didnt communicate with teammates, coaches, etc.

Now, the problem isn't that he's not getting touches. The teammates that Wright talked to say that hes not mad about that. He's frustrated that hes not getting carries, but again, he knows his role and isn't complaining. As Wright put it, hes being a good soldier about it. But then he comes off the field and gets berated for being frustrated because he thinks he can help the team more? Isn't that a little extreme? I think it is.

Wright continued to explain that the Chiefs organization seems to favor certain players over the others. Matt Cassel is babied by the organization when he's arguably the worst starter on offense, yells back at the coaches with no consequences, while our best offensive player isn't getting the carries, is being a 'good soldier' about it, and is embarrassed in front of his teammates by his coaches. If Charles were to yell at his coaches, it would be all over the news. Any other player other than our QB would get stuck in the doghouse if they yelled back at the coaches the way Cassel has before. Example: The INT was Chris Chambers fault? How about the fact that the ball was underthrown, in TIGHT coverage, when Dwayne Bowe was clearly open on the other side of the field? The safety came forward to cover the Slot, Bowe went deep and had at least a 2-3 step lead on the CB. That INT WAS completely Cassels fault. Should Chambers have fought for it? Of course, but that doesnt take away from the fact that it was a poor throw, and a bad read in the first place. Besides, Bowe is much better in terms of "Jump Ball" type throws and thats pretty much what it was. 

I just don't get it. A guy goes out on the field when hes asked, picks up a first down, gets pulled out of the game, and gets screamed at, berated, and "MF'ed up and down the sideline" as Wright was told. If Charles is able to get us 3rd down conversions, why are we NOT using him on 1st or 2nd down? Think about it. Some people still defend Cassel and say its hard to get in a rhythm when we run on 1st and 2nd and face a 3rd and long situation. Okay, cool. Sometimes, Charles gets a first down out of those situations. If that's the case, why not give Charles the ball more often, not only having a chance of gaining yards but also scoring a TD from anywhere on the field? This could give us more 3rd and short opportunities, where Jones and hopefully Cassel could excel. 

Don't get me wrong, I like Thomas Jones. I think Jones is great for the team. I just think that it hurts the team more than it helps to have Jamaal on the bench. 

The Chiefs are going to piss off Charles, and not because they aren't playing him, but because he is being a man through this whole process and gets disrespected the way he was on Sunday. I don't know if the Chiefs will be able to keep Charles when his contract comes up if this continues to happen

We have a hungry 49ers team coming to Arrowhead, and a locker room issue brewing. I have a feeling we're going to lose this one..

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Nick Wright is a liar and just tries to stir the pot

/typical AP reaction

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Fixed

Nick Wright is a liar and just tries to stir the pot

I offer nothing of substance to this blog.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 23, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lay off

it was already handled :)

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can handle a guy like this to be perfectly frank

But I’ll take your word for it. I don’t want to see this community take over by people like this. I’ve said my peace.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 23, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think all he meant

Is that something had already been posted to rebuke him (see immediately below).

Bad day here, eh?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am simply tired of people being asshats for no reason.

I understand it’s an internet blog which grants anonymity, but seriously. Most of my posts aren’t anything super introspective, but why do people insist on being such jerk offs? Unreal.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 23, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it does at times boggle the mind...

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is not always

that people agree.

Different takes make for learning is all.

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with many on lots of Chiefs issues

But I do learn while I might disagree

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec

I thought and thought about a response, yet yours is right :)

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check 2 or 3 comments down

Joel took care of that :)

I have no problem with anyone.

Cept self promoting Chiefs Blog writing members that Advertise on AP….

Sorry :)

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

amen to that!

I think one of them went away… :)

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 24, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

HE IS TELLING THE TRUTH!!

Carthon may wish he let this sleeping dog lie!!!

by dandychief on Sep 23, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything Negative that comes out about the Chiefs must be true, regardless of whether any proof is presented

typical H2E reaction

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Now don't everyone jump on me

H2E’s a big boy and can take care of himself.

He threw our entire blogosphere under the bus with hyperbole, so I’ll do the same with him

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You censor enough as it is, fascist

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Thanks Joel

H2E’s actually cool with me (I think). He knows I like him (again, I think), and that’s why I occasionally challenge him.

There’s respect there (at least from my end)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can only treat H2E, but there is no cure

years of PSAs hinted that it was true, but it was only confirmed after I spent time here on AP

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Sep 23, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t feel like you need to stick up for the whole blogosphere. We’re big kids. We can take care of ourselves.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Sep 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Touche!

That was a good argument. Hang on, let me think of a rebuttal… Still thinking…

Yeah, I got nothing. That was well done, JComp. Kudos, for real.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought of one!

It bothers me when people present themselves as unbiased and smarter than others, yet are blind to their own biases.

Pretty weak, but better than the nothing I had, right?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

If only there were more people who "get it," like I do.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 23, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a reason that it want posted on AP

If it was a “story” it would be on here. It was a bunch of nothing.

by dwil2009 on Sep 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Was it?

Go back and watch the game again. You can see part of it while its happening on the sideline in the 3rd quarter.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont doubt he got yelled at

I would think there is a good reason he got yelled at, dont you? Was Nick Wright on the sideline? Does he know what happened? Say what you will about his playing time but I dont like how he concluded all this as if it was reality because of a text from one of his boys on the team or whatever.

by dwil2009 on Sep 23, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not...

people in the local media have inside sources that they have to protect. Wright doens’t flat out make shit up. Charles sounded pissed and rightfully so, he’s getting dicked around in a contract year.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok fine.

I have no problem with Jamaal being upset I think he should be. But why does that make it a locker room issue if a guy wants more carries?

by dwil2009 on Sep 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listen to the podcast or atleast part of it.

This issue isnt that hes not getting more carries. Of course he WANTS more carries but hes not complaining about it. He just looked frustrated coming off the field after going in for 1 play to get a first down and getting it. At that point, Mo not only yelled “You’re the goddamn backup” (when ALL season/offseason they’ve been saying to not pay attention to starter vs. backup) but continued to ’berate and MF him up and down the sideline" and “embarass him in front of his team”.

Thats what happened. The PROBLEM is not getting enough carries. The problem is being a team player, and NOT complaining, and then blantantly getting disrespected just because he looked frustrated. Charles didnt run his mouth, didnt complain, he ran off the field. He didnt mosey his way off the field, sulk and cry about not getting carries. He ran off the field, then got a new ass torn into him just because he looked frustrated. Thats piss poor coaching and IF its a “motivational tactic” it was terribly executed.

ALL of this after converting on 3rd down, something the Chiefs have trouble doing.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this is all true.

Then I really feel bad for JC and lost alot of respect for Mo Carthon and really the offensive staff. The head games (if all true) is a bunch of bullshit. How can you create a productive attack, coaching like that? I worked for a guy like that, I quit and started my own business and kicked his fucking ass. I can see JC being pushed enough that he would do the same thing.

by kcchiefdan on Sep 24, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

wake up!!

listen to his podcast,,then make your on opinions…but dont disagree before you hear the whole story…that is something Haley would do…GO CHIEFS!!!

by dandychief on Sep 23, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did he sound pissed?

You’re generally good for local info.

Is there some interview with direct quotes or footage of him that I’m not seeing or hearing about?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't seem geniune when he talked about being the backup

certainly didn’t sound happy about it

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hm....

Well, I hope he’s not “happy” about it.

There’s a big difference between sounding pissed and not seeming genuine.

That said, good to know the info.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if you

saw it or not..I didnt see any comments from you on the post about it though. Kent Babb quoted Jamaal right after the Browns game.. so if you didnt see it:

Quote

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where?

I watched it on NFL replay from the exact play that it supposedly happened.

There’s a TO before and after the play, and they never show the sideline.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a big problem with this one

Example: The INT was Chris Chambers fault? How about the fact that the ball was underthrown, in TIGHT coverage, when Dwayne Bowe was clearly open on the other side of the field?

Umm, Trent Green even said that was Chambers fault, and that he had the same problem with Eddie Kennison early on, where he told Eddie that if wasn’t at least going to keep the defender from catching it, he couldn’t trust him to throw it there. They ironed things out, and things were fine. Trent said that it is a HUGE issue to be able to trust the reciever, and be able to throw a “jump ball” to, say Tony Gonzalez, knowing that if Tony doesn’t come down with it, then nobody is. Wide Recievers are taught to go get the ball, not just let it come to you, that was most definitely on Chris!

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Chambers himself said it was his fault....

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 23, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's been a lot of disbelief from people when players say things lately

I don’t know what to make of it. I understand that players will promote a company line, but to be skeptical of everything the players say and then instantly believe a shock jock?

Consistency people!

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess the fans know what they really should have said...

It’s getting absurd. It’s making it really hard to read the comments and posts here anymore… dare I say it…. but AP is starting to look a lot like the Star message boards.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 23, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh boy...

If I were you I’d keep an eye out the window.

Chris may be sending someone for you…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

and you don’t even want to look at that :)

The interesting thing on the thread I can’t seem to get to the bottom off.
Is Petey :)
He hit almost every hot button this week in one post and he

knew
he did it

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

You gotta respect that kind of firing on all cylinders!

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's some fine button pushing...

I gotta give him props for that.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 23, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's some fine button pushing...

I gotta give him props for that.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 23, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I read that somewhere :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

There certainly is a lot of tension

That’s one reason I’m maintaining CS on our QB issue. It keeps me above the fray and out of the same arguments over and over.

I think with so many people, you end up arguing with the same stuff so many times that people start to take it personally, even though it’s a different person than you were originally arguing with.

What’s crazy is that I was reading AP last year, and I don’t remember things being THIS contentious… Weird what a little (controversial) winning can do, isn’t it?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a lot of what it is... redundancy...

We have fifty gazillion posts on TJ vs. JC… even though there is very little reason to panic over it right now… yet some people are already starting to conspire to send Arrowhead hate mail in the hopes of Haley getting canned…

And now we have folks running around spreading false information like wildfire… “Jamaal was upset, Carthon yelled at him, therefore Jamaal wants out of Kansas City.” Never mind that you can’t see any of that (other than JC being frustrated) and when Jamaal DOES say, on record, that “I’m the backup. … That’s my role. I don’t have no complaints.”, people FORCE their opinions into it, thus coming to the conclusion that Jamaal MUST be lying.

It’s just freaking annoying. Hopefully it blows over… cause it’s making the site unbearable.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 23, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's getting close to that, for sure.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Podna,no ones telling you to believe it…go listen to it..then say that IT IS FALSE….it sounds very possible…..knowing the cronies Haley has….you would think they would treat Jamaal like a king….let him win some games for them….but noooooo…lets work his head a lil bit..GO CHIEFS!!!l…….

by dandychief on Sep 23, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some shock jocks may be right sometimes!!

no ones asking you to listen to it..if you have already made up your mind,let it go!..but I personally believe there is something to the story…As far as cronies,thats people that stick together,play together,do things together…Haley is a jerk whether you admit it or not…obviously all you want is a win…Since its been so long…that you dont want to hear any kind of controversy….All I am saying,is that Haley has said he will play whoever gives them the best chance to win..thats B.S. because “most” know that is Charles….They are screwing JC whether you believe it or not….You can have Jones..see how many games you win with him bro…GO CHIEFS!!!

by dandychief on Sep 24, 2010 5:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So far, with him and JC?

Two.

I guess we’ll see where it goes from there.

We could maybe, you know, wait a few more games before deciding that the sky is falling. We could even wait till we lose a game or two.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 24, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isnt that what we all want?
obviously all you want is a win

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 24, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

But you just did ask me to listen to it.
As far as cronies,thats people that stick together,play together,do things together

You just described the entire team.

Haley is a jerk whether you admit it or not

Haley has been a different coach so far this year. He’s NOT blowing up on the sidelines, and it seems like every time the camera cuts to him now, he’s high fiving players or calmly talking to someone. Whether you admit that or not is up to you.

obviously all you want is a win

So? Isn’t that what it all boils down to?

that you dont want to hear any kind of controversy

No, I don’t want to hear any controversy WHEN THERE ISN’T ONE. I’m STILL waiting on PROOF that there is some kind of an issue. Nick Wright SAYS he has an ANONYMOUS source. The players and coaches said themselves that there’s no issue, and that they don’t have complaints. Hell, people were saying that Jamaal looked frustrated during the game broadcast. Guess what? He NEVER looked frustrated. Feel free to PROVE me wrong by giving me a description of when he was upset, and include the game time, please.

All I am saying,is that Haley has said he will play whoever gives them the best chance to win

Yet here we are, at 2-0, with visible game plans and good coaching wining us games. And if you actually go back and WATCH the Browns game FOR YOURSELF, you can obviously see that Jones was in fact the better back on that day. In the second to last drive of the game, Jamaal ran the ball for 1 yard. The very next play, Jones ran for 7 yards. In the final drive, Jones rushed 4 straight times and won the game for us. Jones was visibly the hotter back in that game, and especially in the second half.

You can have Jones..see how many games you win with him bro

I think you’re confused… this team isn’t called the Kansas City Charleses. This is the Kansas City Chiefs, and it takes the entire team to win games. The Kansas City Charleses were the team we fielded in the last half of 2009, and it resulted in a lot of losses. This isn’t a Jones is better than Charles argument I’m making. But this is a “the entire team is needed to win” argument, and by my count, the ENTIRE team has contributed to 2 victories. Charles, Jones, Flowers, Johnson, Carr, Moeaki, Cassel, Hali and McCluster have ALL made plays needed to get us wins.

I’ll take our 2 wins because the Chiefs are fielding a TEAM effort over this bull shit “Charles needs more carries” argument.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 24, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes,they should be the K.C. CHARLESES

I’m not going to sit here and argue with you,or take 2 hrs and break down everything you say…whats your deal?are you mad when someone dont agree with your post? are you the "den mother " on this site? I feel that Haley is shafting Jamaal ,thats it….whether you agree or disagree with me I could personally careless….now,if u have the time to debate each phrase,or each word I write…knock yourself out!! this is a place a person should be able to post thoughts pro or con,and shouldn’t have to keep explaining over and over….you like Jones,I prefer Charles….it may be next year,on another team,I’ hope not..but the way things are looking….he will be gone..Just because I haven’t been a regular on here,dont blast my post…lets see what tune you are humming if they lose….I can guarantee ya,u’ll want Charles…you wont tell me,because you are committed with Thomas.at the moment….anyway beast,,,tell me whatcha think..GO CHIEFS!!

by dandychief on Sep 24, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

by cpa913: Green said something very similar tonight, comparing Bernard Berrian to Sidney Rice.

Without a guy who will fight for all the jump balls, Favre is not as good a QB. Sidney Rice is HUGE for the Vikes. I said the same thing many times about Favre (HOFer WITH Rice, loose cannon without) and have exactly the same criticism of Chris Chambers as Green was making of Berrian, tonight. With a really good WR, QBs like Manning are BRILLIANT for that underthrown ball that’s either complete, incomplete or interference against the DB, with the right receiver out there. When the receiver doesn’t make it his business to either catch the ball or prevent the INT, the QB simply can’t throw it his way with any confidence.

This may seem to be leaking into defense of Cassel, which I suppose it sort of is, but it’s even more about WRs, and how THEY make or break QBs.

But yeah, it’s definitely stretching credulity when telling Chambers he’s to blame for the INT is somehow giving Cassel carte blanche.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 23, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that makes Cassel a good QB?

Cassel is not good right now. I want the Chiefs to quit making excuses for him and blaming everyone else. Seems to me that the ones that do NO WRONG (in the coaches eyes) is Cassel and T. Jones!

by kcchiefdan on Sep 24, 2010 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where's the box?

I have a big problem with this one

Example: The INT was Chris Chambers fault? How about the fact that the ball was underthrown, in TIGHT coverage, when Dwayne Bowe was clearly open on the other side of the field?

Umm, Trent Green even said that was Chambers fault, and that he had the same problem with Eddie Kennison early on, where he told Eddie that if wasn’t at least going to keep the defender from catching it, he couldn’t trust him to throw it there. They ironed things out, and things were fine. Trent said that it is a HUGE issue to be able to trust the reciever, and be able to throw a "jump ball" to, say Tony Gonzalez, knowing that if Tony doesn’t come down with it, then nobody is. Wide Recievers are taught to go get the ball, not just let it come to you, that was most definitely on Chris!

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

KC QB #7 is responsible for nothing

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not for throwing to one on one coverage, on his 2nd read

Bowe wasn’t one of his first reads, so it doesn’t matter if he was open

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has no second read

He locks on and either tries to force it or takes the sack. if he was capable of multiple reads he would have seen bowe on that play

Terelle Pryor is the future!!

by bflowers24probowl on Sep 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

problem is Bowe was not open on that play

the saftety was just waiting for Cassel to throw it to Bowe

by banshee_01 on Sep 23, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you see

This post?

Screen shots during the play. The safety came up to cover the Slot receiver. Bowe had his man beat, and the safety was out of position to cover over the top of Bowe. Bowe was alot more open than Chambers was no matter how you look at it. Out of 1200+ votes, 72% said “Bowe was clearly open and we probably missed out on a rare TD.”

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you look at the screen shots

the safety didnt come up to cover the slot receiver he stood at the 30 yards line the entire time waiting to see where Cassel was going to throw the ball and if you go back and look at the 4th pic Cassel was already throwing the ball before Bowe even got pass the safety. The linebacker was going back to cover the slot receiver not the safety.

My bad just because 72% of people on here said so then it must be true.

by banshee_01 on Sep 23, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only was the safety watching Cassel the entire time

…if you watch the video of the play, look at Bowe’s route. He doesn’t continue downfield. At the 34 he begins to run inside directly behind the safety at the 30 yard line. All this talk of Bowe being wide open is bunk.

by chieflypessmstc on Sep 24, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Cassel is responsible for making a bad read.

He’s a terrible QB right now. He has put up half the passing yards Matt Schaub and Peyton put up last Sunday

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

by NJChieffan16 on Sep 23, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay.

Let me rephrase:

The INT was both players faults. Yes, Chambers should have fought for it, batted it down, something. I get that. Thats not the point.

The point is that pass SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THROWN. The fact that CASSEL threw that ball says that its Cassels fault for the pick. The ball wasnt tipped. Theres noone else to blame for the ball going into the defenders hands other than Cassel.

Again, Chambers SHOULD have made more of an effort. PART of the blame goes to him. I get that.

But when your QB UNDERTHROWS a ball to a receiver who was TIGHTLY COVERED, when you have a bigger WR in SINGLE COVERAGE who has his man BEHIND him and NO safety help over the top, It’s easy to say its more the QB’s fault. Not only did Cassel fail to read that Bowe was more open than Chambers, Cassel failed to throw the ball well enough for Chambers to have a chance at catching it.

Everyone says the INT was Chambers fault for not knocking it down. But its CASSEL’S fault for NOT throwing a catchable ball. Chambers had no chance to catch the ball, only a chance to knock it down, so WHY is it more Chambers fault than Cassel’s? I dont get the logic behind this. The PASS ITSELF was a terrible pass, therefore, its more Cassel’s fault whether or not Chambers tried to knock it down.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had one on one coverage on a deep pattern

If he had done some kind of check down, everyone would be mad because he can’t/won’t throw deep. I can’t blame Cassel on that one play. The other interception though, come on, you’ve got to throw the ball in open spaces!

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He threw deep to Chambers!

So why not throw deep to the guy in single coverage, no safety help, and has his man beat?!

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wasn't the way the play was designed.

Sure I would have loved to have seen him hit a wide open Bowe, but he locked onto the 1 on 1 coverage on Chambers first.

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which is why

he needs to step his game up. Just because you see 1 on 1 doesnt mean you lock in on it. See the field, if its 1 on 1 now, CHANCES ARE its going to remain 1 on 1 if the free safety is moving close to the middle of the field like he was on that play.

Bowe was 1 on 1, Chambers was 1 on 1…gee I wonder which player I would throw to

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did throw "deep" on single coverage

The safety on Bowe’s side NEVER MOVED UP TO COVER THE TE/SLOT. He starts at the 30 yard line and stays at the 30 yard line. Pre snap he moves from standing on the hash mark to moving 2 yards toward the top of the screen – closer to Bowe. Plus, Bowe does not continue on a go route. He turns inside at the 34 yard line.

by chieflypessmstc on Sep 24, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

This was actually already discussed in detail

Here

There was just never an official thread on the subject. Look a little ways down in the comments and you’ll find quite the debate.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

Unfortunately, I can’t read EVERY comment for every story so I missed that.

I just figured it was something that SOMEONE would have made a thread about. Maybe I’m just making something of nothing, but it seems to me that its a bigger deal than we think. I encourage anybody to go back and watch the game again. Look for it and you’ll see Carthon yelling at Charles, and after that Charles just implodes.

Some would say Charles needs to man up, but in this case, he’s doing all the right things and gets berated for it. Just not a good motivational tactic if you ask me.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, hey, I wasn't criticizing

I just thought you might want to read the thoughts on it.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I didnt mean it that way

It did kinda come across that way though.

I did read that story, just missed the comment. I did go back and read it though.

I guess the whole thing boils down to one thing that bothers me. Charles has been “a soldier” (as Wright put it) after setting an NFL record last year for most yards on <200 carries, and is the secondary option, but was supposedly “berated” and “embarassed in front of his teammates”.

I saw the post about the speculation of when this happened. Only thing I can think of is maybe it wasnt a 3rd down conversion, but just a first down. I’d have to go back and listen to the podcast again. I havent looked at the play-by-play.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maintaining C S??

I don’t know how you do it?

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I slipped a little lower down

Didn’t mention anyone by name, but I engaged a little bit…

And I am ashamed.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get over it

Let’s take advantage of that sloppy 9er team, and kick their booty!

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

awwww....

And Amen!

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

If we want a coach that doesn’t yell at players just bring Herm back

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by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

or hire Wade Phillips when he gets fired

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by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Romo will love Cowher next season

then they can have all these players that “want out” when local radio guys blow stuff out of proportion

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by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Cowher takes over that team

Romo will cry weekly. Maybe even daily.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you Nick Wright?

still no proof that happened. and you made a basis on something you have no idea on the context.

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by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said he was pissed/frustrated during the game

and you said I was making it up like I just said it out of the blue. I am pointing it out that I was not making it up and I was not the only one who didn’t see this

by chiefnation on Sep 23, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is a post about the game tape for that incident

My issue was how do we go from he was pissed, to he wants out of KC. That’s the context in which that comment and conversation happened.

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by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said he wants out of kc.

now your just making up a new arguement. everyone knows that a player can get pissed off enough to where he wants to leave {no brainer} and it could happen to any player.

by chiefnation on Sep 23, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was smiling and happy in the lockeroom after the game

If you re-read that thread you’ll know the context in which all of those things were said. If you hadn’t read the post or any of the comments and just said he wasn’t happy and that’s it, then I apologize. But that was not a convo worth having again.

It’s been 2 games

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by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

like I said I wasn't making it into a big deal

everyone gets pissed or cussed out at their job. and a professional will get over it quickly

by chiefnation on Sep 23, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Backpedal much?

Sad that some people get the platform to cause their own controversies.

Chiefs Will

by old_school on Sep 24, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

never wanted to argue or disagree over something

stupid and petty. So I pointed out that I wasn’t making stuff up out of no where

by chiefnation on Sep 24, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea

We dont deserve to be 2-0 for yelling at our players

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

by NJChieffan16 on Sep 23, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not all players are motivated the same way...

motivations ins’t once size fits all. If Haley was any sort of leader he’d know that.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Correction...KC RB #25

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Sep 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im gonna start referring to players like H2E here...

KC RB #25 is definitely a team player. KC RB #25 was probably the backup for that game due to the gameplan.

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

by NJChieffan16 on Sep 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

No need to mock the guy

Call him on stuff if you disagree (I sure do), but there’s no need to mock over something as small as that.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You meat gazers piss and moan about Casshole

(that one narc actually goes to other teams sites to bitch about it) so I thought I’d clean it up. His play is so piss poor he doesn’t desrve to be called by name.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh???
(that one narc actually goes to other teams sites to bitch about it)

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Sep 24, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Cassel

Matt Cassel let the Patriots to a 11-5 season. The quarterback that stepped in for an injured Tom Brady was Matt Cassel. Was that really Matt Cassel? Yes, it was Matt Cassel. Can you say MATT CASSEL?

Chiefs Will

by old_school on Sep 24, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

the team seems pretty motivated to me

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by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have to agree with that one

A lot more motivated than when Mr. “Let’s be nice people!” was coaching (although I like Herm as a person)

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you see them riding KC QB #7 hard?

Apparently they’re willing ot tailor the motivation for that bum, maybe they should do the same for other players.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, i think he does yell at Cassel too

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by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I wasn't maintaining Cassel Silence...

I’d have the perfect comeback to that… Let me think, how can I say it without mentioning him…

I got it!

The players that have been hammered on and yelled at and demoted and ridiculed (Bowe, DJ, Dorsey, Charles) are playing better football than they were before Haley arrived, or at least more consistent football.

The one who hasn’t (notice no name mentioned) is not. So why would we want our coach to use the method that isn’t working?

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just because you dont name him, doesnt mean you are not talking about him

you have failed in your pledge

i have lost all respect for you

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Sep 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

CRAP

and now I go to commit hara kiri…

It’s times like this that I wish I wasn’t 1/4 Japanese.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you are only a 1/4 Japanese

then you only need to commit 1/4 hara kiri…so chop off an arm or a leg (your choice) and move on

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Sep 23, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well now I've got to go make a decision!

I guess if I chop off an arm it’ll hurt my AP career… But I won’t be able to help with the kids much if I take a leg…

Well, never mind, that was easy. The leg goes.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

or the other appendage

if you have kids already….

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

tell me about it

if only Haley did something to fix that problem.

Wait.. He got rid of Pollard, Page, and 2.7 and has been bringing in nothing but players who operate under that kind of coaching for that very reason?

Wait.. He got rid of Pollard, Page, and 2.7 and has been bringing in nothing but players who operate under that kind of coaching for that very reason?Maybe Haley’s not a complete Jackass after all

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- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting

by 808NaNz808 on Sep 23, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what happened there

ignore the second paragraph

2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting

by 808NaNz808 on Sep 23, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Explain the hnadling of the starting QB

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

again your point is speculative

we don’t know what the hell goes on at practices. Haley could be riding Cassels ass all day. In a game situation, there is only one guy that touches the ball every down.

You piss off a RB, he runs with anger
You piss off a WR, he runs routes with conviction and destroys his man at the point of attack
you piss off a QB, he sputters out and throws a crapload of INT’s.

2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting

by 808NaNz808 on Sep 23, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

we hear how they talk about him in public

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

has Haley or anyone for that matter come out publicly and bashed Charles?

the only time we see anyone ride Charles’ ass is in game and practice situations.

You piss off a RB, he runs with anger
You piss off a WR, he runs routes with conviction and destroys his man at the point of attack
you piss off a QB, he sputters out and throws a crapload of INT’s.

2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting

by 808NaNz808 on Sep 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually Nick Wright also says that Haley wants Croyle to Start

But Pioli won’t let him

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously?

That’s what I get for living outside the KC area. Can’t hear all of the radio stuff.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 23, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

and then we get who is KU going to hire as AD on the other station or some Golf spot or the Royals :(

SO yea Nick is entertaining to listen to.
He was even talking on the weed briefly today.

I don’t take him for gospel, Whitlock had a Radio gig for many years here too.

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Nick gets out there sometimes.

Seems after he let Witless take over the show that day, he’s aspired to be more like him for ratings.

I used to listen to him every day on the way home from work, but anymore, he’s all about stirring sh*t and negativity…gets old after awhile. Seems like everyone has forgotten we’re 2-0. Can’t anyone take a fresh breath and enjoy???

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by rwalke10 on Sep 25, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not just yelling

But if Carthon said what Wright is saying he did I do have a huge problem with it. All year the coaching staff has been preaching winning and playing hard. They are saying it doesn’t matter who starts or is named the starter. Carthon made this personnal yelling at him and telling him his is a back up. That is the exact opposite of what Haley has been preaching to this team. Yell at them when they make a mistake not when they want to play and help the team. Do you really want to discourage a player that wants to play and gets mad about being pulled out of a game.

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by mysonmylife on Sep 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, thats not what happened

It wasnt simply yelling at the player. Charles was put in the game on 3rd down, got a first down and was pulled out and promptly screamed at.

Dont think I ever saw Cower, Ditka, or Parcells scream at their best offensive player after picking up a first down.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they did

and if they did, or if Mo Carth did… it’s not the end of the world.

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by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go to this link

LINK

It’s footage from the locker room after the Browns game. Jamaal has what appears to be a genuine grin on his face. He certainly doesn’t look like someone brooding over how the coaches are treating him.

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by KCporkchop on Sep 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Porkchop

Stop clouding the issue with evidence!

Don’t you know that all we want to do here is speculate based on rumor? That’s way more fun!

Jeeze, some peoples’ kids…

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Preach MN

We dont believe in facts around here.

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

by NJChieffan16 on Sep 23, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, we should leave the rumor based speculation in the courtrooms and government chambers

thats all criminals lawyers are good for anyway

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Sep 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because the two are obviously mutually exclusive

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is that obvious?

If he’s just so “in the tank” and “angry”, wouldn’t you think it would last for, oh, a half an hour or so?

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a pro and acts like a pro...

There are many times when I’m happy with the proposal I’ve submitted but am pissed at the guy I’m working for. Piss me off too many times and I’ll start looking for someone else to work for.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure... and that makes sense, it really does

But see, I’m an evidence guy. I need to see a few facts before I start believing something, know what I mean?

Are we’re going to assume that everything we see is false, and everything we haven’t seen but have only heard speculation about is true?

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always knew that Santa Clause and Unicorns were real

To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.

I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Sep 23, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Only if Nick Wright says so

If Jamaal says so… he’s lying.

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is real evidence...sulking on the sidelines gettin chewed out after a first down

And circumstantial evidence (think thats the appropiate term, I have soul and am not a law talking guy) that the team’s leading rusher would want the rock.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That wouldn't be considered admissible even as circumstantial. It's speculation

And also, there’s a reason circumstantial evidence is inadmissible in court.

Finally, show me the video of him getting chewed out and sulking, please. I’ve got NFL Rewind, and saw nothing in the 5 times I watched it.

C’mon, you’re a sharp guy. Are you seriously someone that believes something just because a person says it on the radio?

And that’s the second time you’ve taken a shot at me being pre-law. Does it bother you when people try to get an education and earn a living to provide for their families?

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I just like talking shit on soulless law talking guys

Petey’s got the lead on the video, he’s got something down below

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a fun, productive way to spend your time

In fact, you know what… I’ve had an epiphany… You’re right.

I need to stop looking for evidence, searching for facts, and base my thoughts on opinions and speculation.

Also, I need to insult everyone who disagrees with me and talk down to people for thinking differently than me.

I need to swear more too. Because then I’ll be a “hustler”.

“Law talking”. Don’t go outside your area of expertise, H2E. The way I talk is nothing like actual courtroom language.

But again, don’t let facts get in your way, it’ll slow you down…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude, I'm quoting Lionel Hutz attorney at law

“Thats why you’re the judge and I’m the law talking guy.”

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point being?

being a jackass is being a jackass, whether you’re quoting someone or not.

And I believe Hutz didn’t add the soulless in there…

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think its soulless MN wearing on me...

Hit up the local record shops while up here, no soul

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha fair enough

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by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

as it stands your point is entirely speculative

while there is abounding evidence that Charles is a team player and accepts his role

2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting

by 808NaNz808 on Sep 23, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is that evidence?

I think the notion that anyone is a “team player” is purely speculative. Thats something thats pretty hard to qunatify if we want to bust out the soulless law talk.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little insecure about your education, H2E?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not so much, can still talk shit on law talking guys

BS in Engineering
MBA in finance

Using both degrees

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, should've guessed

I’m assuming you went that route because of your awesome people skills?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure

I’ve never heard that one before on the internet…

Of course, for all I know you’re telling the truth. And if so, hey, more power to you! I like American success stories.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to say I'm some big wig CEO

but its a very very conservative industry

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good for you man

Glad to hear about successful Chiefs fans. And I mean that.

Well, as much as a soulless guy can…

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got more soul than I do success...

and have the stacks of 45s to back that shit up

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was impressed up until

Nah, I wasn’t really. Sincerely?

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Sep 23, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope....my gut is that your a DOD contractor....

but its pure speculation……you like funk….into beats soul and rhythym over hype and name. Artistic and intelligent that probably reades Keats?

All guesses…and I used my degree assist me with my guesses…but does it make me accurate? I doubt it.

I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??

by Cowboynchrist on Sep 23, 2010 5:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Aside from written document

and filmed video of him suggesting that very notion?

you're right no evidence at all

but let’s not focus on what I’m calling you out on

as it stands your point is entirely speculative

let’s get distracted

2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting

by 808NaNz808 on Sep 23, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Petey presents video that suggests otherwise....

When I heard JC tlak I heard a man who was not happy with his role. You can’t just read the transcript you have to hear the tone i nhis voice and the utter lack of emotion

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

again speculative.

you could draw a hundred different conclusions from someone’s demeanor. Fact is what they’re saying is what’s important.

2010 predictions live by em die by em
- Chiefs do what they did last year and double their win total.. Good for a second place finish in the AFC West
-McCluster is considered for ROY, doesn't win it
- Arenas takes two to the house
- Carr becomes a legitimate corner
-Flowers gets jipped in Pro Bowl voting

by 808NaNz808 on Sep 23, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is getting ridiculous

Who cares?! We’re 2-0 and I hope we’re 3-0. If we go 3-0 with Charles carrying the load… fine. If we go 3-0 and Charles doesn’t touch the ball… fine. I believe we’re all Chiefs fans before Jamaal Charles fans right?

by ChiTownChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Sorry ChiTown

Some people are both. They think that because he exploded last year that he should get 500 touches this season…Then we can run him and his shoulder into the ground…….

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

by NJChieffan16 on Sep 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody

is saying to give him a ton of carries. But as soon as we lose and Charles only has 10 carries vs. Jones sub 4 yard average on 20+carries, its going to create a problem.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

What happens if JC gets 20 carries to TJs 10 and we lose?

That’s just asking to say “see I told you this is why we would lose”

by KCinIL on Sep 23, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats kindof the problem

We’re winning so its all good.

What happens if we lose to SF? We go to a bye week then have IND and HOU on the road. We could drop to 2-3 in a heartbeat and if Charles workload doesnt increase, theres going to be alot of pissed off people.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting angry would be unjustifiable

Who here has truly marked us up as beating IND and HOU this year?

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

by NJChieffan16 on Sep 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then two winnable home games

4-3 is not a bad place to be, just ask Schottenheimer

by cpa913 on Sep 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give the coaches a chance to adjust

instead of complaining before they need to adjust. Is this controversy based on the speculation that if the running game with Jones is getting stuffed, the coaches WOULDN’T start giving Charles the ball more? Everyone needs to step back and think about that.

Chiefs Will

by old_school on Sep 24, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that they are jerkin Charles around a bit

in a contract year. It makes every touch that much more valuable.

It seems to be working, so far we haven’t seen any phantom phumbles, where there isn’t a defender in sight and he just spontaneously falls flat on his face and loses the football.

Of course, we don’t know if he still does that in game preparations.

by jcru on Sep 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

As long as KC RB #25 doesnt fumble in game

It is just fine.

When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.

by NJChieffan16 on Sep 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love to rec posts that deserve it...

Unfortunately this isn’t one. Petey14, I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of the current situation. I do, however, appreciate the spelling, grammer and paragraph breaks. Continue posting, you write well, I just don’t agree with your view this time.

Chiefs Will

by KCFanatic on Sep 23, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Which part?

I don’t expect everyone to agree, however I would like to see the other side of the coin..

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec on what you did get through

Jamaal Charles is going to be called on for a huge game on Sunday.
Needless to say he is fired up for it :) To that same point Matt Cassel is going to do some passing in this game for the Chiefs to win it. Needless to say they both say that the media and fans are not on their minds. BOTH know what is being said in KC.
I expect good things from all the Chiefs players on Sunday if we are to win the game.

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec on what you did get through

Jamaal Charles is going to be called on for a huge game on Sunday.
Needless to say he is fired up for it :) To that same point Matt Cassel is going to do some passing in this game for the Chiefs to win it. Needless to say they both say that the media and fans are not on their minds. BOTH know what is being said in KC.
I expect good things from all the Chiefs players on Sunday if we are to win the game.

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just wanted

to see your side it. I realized you likely wont respond to this, but theres points to be made.

2) Mo embarrassed JC in front of the team and if this keeps up JC won’t have any desire to resign with the Chiefs.

If this is true the entire offense must be chomping at the bit to get out of here, Charlie cusses them all out in front of the entire team constantly.


It’s different to be yelled at when you mess up. But after gaining a first down, he’s told hes a backup after the entire offseason/preseason/regular season, they’ve said to ignore the “starter vs backup” thing, and both players know their roles. Now all of a sudden, in front of everyone, he’s getting screamed at and called a backup?

3) You believed ANYTHING Wright had to say about anything. I don’t think I need to elaborate on this one.

I actually DON’T believe what Wright has to say about alot of things. But I do find it strange that out of nowhere, for the first time all year long, Charles said he was the backup. All year, Charles, Jones, Haley, Weis, anybody who has talked about the offense said that neither guy is reallly “the starter” or “the backup”, that both players know their roles, and whatever. Then, we SUPPOSEDLY have teammate(s) saying that Mo yelled something along the lines of “dont come off the field frustrated, youre the goddamn backup” was “MF’ing him up and down the sideline” “berating him” and “embarrassing him in front of his teammates”. So something tells me there is at least some truth in this, whether its as bad as it sounds or not.

In my opinion the Chiefs coaching staff isn’t "playing favorites" they are playing their game plan. Their game plan called for power running this last week, and TJ was the man for it. Sounds like a good game plan for a couple of reasons, first TJ did well and we won the game, second, JC did very poorly (2.9 YPC other then one long run in junk time against a prevent defense). I believe that there will be games where JC will get the majority of the carries (although we haven’t seen it yet), there will be games that TJ gets the majority of the carries (Cleveland game) and there will be games where it’s a 50/50 split (San Diego). TJ runs between the tackles better than JC, JC, gets to the perimeter better then TJ, they are the Yin to the other’s Yang, and over the course of the season I believe you will see balance. Patience grasshopper.

He only had 11 carries. 2 in the fourth quarter. So thats an average of 3 carries per quarter. How exactly are you supposed to do anything with the ball when you have 3 carries per quarter. I’d be frustrated too. Except I dont think I could contain it and i’d let myself be heard that I want to be on the field more. Jamaal took it in stride, though frustrated, and was chewed out for it. I strongly believe that IF JC takes more carries, our offense will move more. But we saw what Power Running was last year and it got us nowhere. Yeah, we might be 2-0, but our offense has looked horrific the majority of the time, ALOT like it was with LJ.

At the end of the day, teams utilize the players they have. We have Charles who has proven his worth. I’m not saying Charles is going to magically turn our offense into a powerhouse, BUT our offense SEEMS like its better when hes on the field. During preseason, everyone felt it was better with Charles when Haley said he didnt think we were necessarily better with Charles. Most on AP were baffled because we were CLEARLY better at moving the ball when Charles was in.

I’m not saying ride Charles and don’t use Jones. I just think the split should be even, IF not split in Charles favor. “Power Running” caused us alot of short drives, failed conversions, etc much the same way it did last year for half the season. We’re not a power team. We have athletic players, let them play! When Charles in, he’s a threat. Constant threat. The running game is better, especially since we have Jones WHEN we need him. Change of pace, short yardage, goal-line situations. When you have a scoring threat in the backfield, defenses have to stay on their toes. Obviously the run game helps Playaction work better, and Cassel needs all the help he can get. That all JUST might be the difference between a short drive and continuous first downs.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything for me?

I have rec’d many of your posts and your ideas.
This one was layering on of a hard week on the blogs for many here.
Someone already said that the play could not have been in the Quarter Nick suggest.
and Video evidence supports the opposite of what Nick said.
Nick is paid well to generate listeners and he says so too.
He doesn’t talk about the O-Line cause HIS listeners don’t care.
He talks about the QB and the RB’s and the Coaches cause HIS listeners do care.
That is why I listen to him cause he talks about the Chiefs in his limited view (to cause listenership for his program) I want more, not just the Flash (I would like the substance too)

He will lead us from the Wilderness and then fade away when we are in the Promised Land.

by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 23, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Petey, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one...

I certainly respect your opinion, however I don’t see how blindly riding Charles no matter what your game plan dictates gets this team anywhere. I appreciate your opinion, however like I said in my earlier post (or maybe I didn’t as I didn’t get it finished), wait until we are 5-8 games into the season and have actually lost a game before you start shouting from the top of the mountain that JC is being mistreated and misused. Show some patience, and as a Chiefs fan show some confidence that our staff is actually trying to win games. You say:

much the same way it did last year for half the season. We’re not a power team.

However I would submit to you that the game plan was to power run and not only did we do it, but that we averaged 4 YPC doing it, a far cry from the 2.7 we saw last year for half the season. I would submit to you that the Chiefs actually WERE able to power run, something that we couldn’t do last year at all.

Actually I think you may have made my argument for me, thank you =)

Chiefs Will

by KCFanatic on Sep 24, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

And actually Petey, I've lost a bit of respect for you after reviewing the 3rd QTR

And reviewing the play by play on ESPN. I see NO evidence of the events that you describe as transpiring. You say that this happened in the 3rd quarter after running for a first down. You go on to say in subsequent comments:

It’s different to be yelled at when you mess up. But after gaining a first down, he’s told hes a backup after the entire offseason/preseason/regular season, they’ve said to ignore the "starter vs backup" thing, and both players know their roles. Now all of a sudden, in front of everyone, he’s getting screamed at and called a backup?

And:

have teammate(s) saying that Mo yelled something along the lines of "dont come off the field frustrated, youre the goddamn backup" was "MF’ing him up and down the sideline" "berating him" and "embarrassing him in front of his teammates". So something tells me there is at least some truth in this, whether its as bad as it sounds or not.

Petey, I didn’t see anything like what you are describing happening on the sidelines in the third quarter, nor did I see JC get a first down in the 3rd quarter, nor does ESPN’s play by play of the third quarter show that JC made a first down. I stand by my decision not to rec this post, and further I comment “Shannigan’s” on the post in it’s entirety – you really should look through a play by play and review the tape yourself prior to posting something as inflammitory and derogatory (about MO and the Chiefs staff).

Chiefs Will

by KCFanatic on Sep 24, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Nick Wright said it, it must be true

Member of the "done discussing Matt Cassel till week 6 club"

by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Lol

It’s not that Wright said it…its that Wright said it and there is VISIBLE EVIDENCE of it happening on the sideline.

Go watch it for yourself. Happened in the 3rd quarter. Charles came in on 3rd down, got a 1st down, was pulled out, and IMMEDIATELY jumped on by Mo Carthon.

In that situation, you’d expect a coach to say something motivational, not berate the guy for an EXTENDED period of time and embarass him in front of his teammates.

by Petey14 on Sep 23, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except Charles never ran for a 1st down in the 3rd quarter

The only play you could be referencing would be with about 12 min left in the 4th.

I’ve watched that play 5 times now. There’s a TO before and after the run, and there’s nothing to see on the sideline.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me ask you a question, and answer honestly...

Have you REALLY watched the clip? Because the fact that you think it happens in the 3rd quarter (when Charles never ran for a 1st down in the 3rd) would indicate that you have not.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another thing

Even if there was evidence (which is looking fishier and fishier the further we go), what Nick Wright did was take a reaming session and blow it up into a possible cry for help from the players, signifying the beginning of the end. I listened to the show live, and I loved the comedic aspect of it. It was halarious, and I couldn’t find any reason for it to be taken so literally as you have.

Chiefs Will

by old_school on Sep 24, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree and believe that Petey's and HIV's points are right on. IF there is a problem, I hope

it gets resolved. I like Haley and the coaching staff a lot but they have to be fair to the entire team and not have favorites. If they do (and we don’t really know) it will backfire and I sure don’t want that.

by jcox31mc on Sep 23, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Its not a problem if it happens once...

if it becomes a pattern our best offensive player is going to want out.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just like DJ last year

I'm surprised he's not just sitting down on the team after the way he was treated

Chiefs Will

by old_school on Sep 24, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are a scheming gameplanning team

IMO he’s saving JC and Dex and going to break them out in the Indy and Houston games. We might see some of it against the 9ers.

Fellas can we stop bickering about this, we wouldn’t have won more had JC carried the ball 30 times. This is how a big back/small back system works. I hate it but most of the people on here we’re calling for it last year

by RamX21 on Sep 23, 2010 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

And was ok with it when Haley said in in the off-season

Training camp, pre-season, right before the season. Negative nancy’s! =)

by KCinIL on Sep 23, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

In order for it to be a problem

More than a shock jock and the infamous “un-named teammates”. Where’s this video of the shit that happened on the sidelines, this berating of him so bad teammates felt bad for em. If there was a crazy blow-up, CBS would’ve been all over it. I mean come on, he get’s disappointed being taken out 1 play and this is the result of assumptions?

by KCinIL on Sep 23, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

For a lot of this thread I can picture the Haley/Piloi crotch jockers as Officer Barbrady

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 23, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Some people need to watch that INT play with their eyes open

cuz Bowe was NOT open. The safety was just sitting there waiting for Cassel to throw the ball, he didnt step forward until Cassel already starting throwing towards Chambers. I will agree Bowe had a step on the cb but he wasnt running a go route, he ran a hook route pretty much directly behind where the safety was standing. So if Cassel had thrown the ball to the spot where he knew Bowe was supposed to be on that play then it would have been picked by the safety. If Bowe had been running a go route then I would agree that Cassel missed him, but he wasnt.

by badassz1987 on Sep 23, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully Jamaal will mosey on down the highway after this unforgettable year!

Well if what he said was true about JC..I hope he plays the year out,then waves goodbye to all the chief fans that love Jones….and wave a middle finger to Haley…Let the Chiefs have Jones all year and lets see what you can do with him….It wont be long till Haley pulls his mad man routine…ready to whip everyones a—,because they dont play his way…its coming,justa matter of time…They are lucky to be 2-0..face it….and for all you posters that think they are SAVING Jamaal,get real…they dont do that….If you get hurt,they sign the next player..thats the NFL….so much for my ranting..but its true!1GO CHIEFS!!

by dandychief on Sep 23, 2010 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm confused.

You seem to be a Chiefs fan, but yet, you wish them bad.

by Tarkus on Sep 23, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am a Chiefs fan,but I can see whats happening….I am a Jamaal fan,I have followed his career since day 1….he deserves better than this…and if the fans feel Jones should be starting,or they care less who gets carries…I say"Jamaal needs to go"…,I personally dont think Haley is stable,watch him on the sidelines,,,he is a NUT!!…he has been playing "headgames with Charles since he got here…I want the Chiefs to win…but I wont JC to go.,…to me…the sooner the better…lot of teams would love to ahve him….they dont want to jerk him around…they see a winner!!! GO CHIEFS!!

P.S.let me ask you this….if the Chiefs had lost the last 2 games?…would you be asking for Charles or not??

by dandychief on Sep 23, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably.

But they didn’t.

Players come and go; I’ll always be a Chiefs fan above any single player. (Not saying I’m not a Charles fan too.)

by Tarkus on Sep 23, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haley's been a lot better on the sideline this year

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me ask you this

If Charles had 25 carries each game and we lost would you be asking for more TJ?

Member of the "done discussing Matt Cassel till week 6 club"

by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way jose!

Thomas Jones cant carry Jamaals jock strap…..If all you want is 3 yards and a cloud of dust…Thomas is your man…if you want someone to break a long run,a screen pass,or a pass from the backfield…call Charles!! GO CHIEFS!!!

by dandychief on Sep 23, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

both hypotheticals

Member of the "done discussing Matt Cassel till week 6 club"

by BJ Kissel on Sep 23, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, I have a new found respect for Cassel!
Matt Cassel … yells back at the coaches…

Now if he’d start yelling back at the receivers…

by Tarkus on Sep 23, 2010 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

thats what i thought

by dandychief on Sep 23, 2010 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I ain't interested in all the drama/theatrics taking place in this thread; however,

on a 2nd look at Sunday’s film, I saw two things:

The offense WAS busting open some nice holes, and the WRs were doing their part, especially D-Bowe.

Some of the holes were the kind that Charles could’ve done a lot more with than Jones did. Some of those openings were there long enough for Charles to get to the second level on his feet, with room to maneuver, but closed up before Jones could really exploit them. I definitely like having Jones a LOT more than Larry Johnson, but I DO think that Charles gives them a better chance of moving the chains on those first couple series.

So, all drama aside, I’m starting to lean toward the “Give Charles the rock more often” side of these discussions.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 23, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Me too

I do know that the carries JC was getting, for some reason, the holes weren’t there.

Maybe if he’d had more carries things would’ve been different, but for some reason things were going more smoothly when TJ was carrying the ball…

That said, I’d like to see JC get at least 15-18 touches a game. Anything less and it seems like a waste.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Sep 24, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thx, you two. Could be that defenses key more on Charles.

Could be that Charles isn’t as reliable in protections, and Cassel NEEDS help in protections.

Personally, I feel that a really good screen player, like Charles, probably draws more attention as a threat than he would gain for the offense back in protection. If he doesn’t draw two hats in coverage, throw the quick screen. If he does, he’s taken two hats out of the pass rush.

That being said, I’d sure like to see McCluster take a chunk out of the pass rush on HIS way into the pattern from the HB spot.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 24, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amazing thing is, we're 2-0, and still haven't realized the full potential of the OWs we have.

And I think those extra touches for EVERYbody start coming, if the offense is more productive and gets itself more snaps.

But ALL this talk about the running game is kind of ridiculous, with KC clearly among the elite running teams in the league. It’s balancing that out with some more passing that’s needed.

"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Sep 24, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

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