Matt Cassel Contract Chatter Starts
by Joel Thorman on Sep 23, 2010 9:04 AM CDT
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs are 2-0 but it doesn't sound like a lot of folks are thinking they'll stay atop the AFC West with their quarterback, Matt Cassel, playing so poorly.
"Matt Cassel is running out of excuses for his poor play," NFL Network's Jason La Canfora wrote this week. "They can run the ball, and they're playing better on defense. Sure, there isn't an abundance of playmakers, but they didn't give Cassel his big contract to win despite him. I continue to think the Chiefs will strongly consider getting out of this contract in the offseason."
We rarely hear national reporters (or even local ones for that matter) thinking the Chiefs could move away from Cassel.
Prior to this season, the words surrounding Cassel were how hard he works, what a great leader he is and he's the first one in the building every day. With his bad start to the 2010 season, the narrative is quickly turning to how the Chiefs can move away from him.
As you know, Cassel signed a reported six-year, $63 million contract with the Chiefs in July 2009. Back when the story was originally reported, $28 million of it was guaranteed and he would make that in the first two years. He's entering year two of that and it's been reported that in March of 2011, he has approximately a $7 million roster bonus due. That would give the Chiefs an opportunity to get out of the contract, if that's what they wanted to do.
However, there has been no indication that they're even thinking of cutting ties. The Chiefs continually back Cassel publicly and, in the last year, have done nothing to suggest that job is anyone's but his. They are clearly committed to Cassel.
We'll see how Cassel plays moving forward. A few good games would quiet the questions about him and turn the story into how well the Chiefs are doing -- not how well they're doing in spite of Cassel.
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It's been two games.
From Scott Pioli’s standpoint he will wait and see how Cassel goes for the rest of the season before discussing his future with Hunt and Haley. The way he’s getting paid you can’t accept mediocre play from him. IMO, he would need to put up very impressive numbers for every other game of the season for me to consider keeping him
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
Its been 17 games
/just sayin
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
true but
GMs dont care how good you’ve been. It’s what you do right now, And Cassel is regressing it seems. Regression doesn’t go down well with GMs. especially when he’s earning what he is. You don’t pay your richest player to continue with mediocrity and regress. I don’t doubt Cassel’s work ethic, but maybe he reached his potential with New England.
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It's Weiss messing with his mecahnics.
“I’m gonna fix the quarterback” Well to do that means a whole lot of work on mechanics and technique. That is what’s probably going on here.
More excuses. At some point the guy has to show something. The only thing he’s shown is that he’s capable of busting out a mediocre half every so often.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
by JComp11 on Sep 23, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Unfortunately, Weis can't fix what's between Cassel's ears..
Bad decision making, doesn’t trust his instincts (or doesn’t have any instincts), waits too long for routes to develop instead of anticipating, can’t anticipate when the pocket is collapsing
What???
Is “messing with his mechanics” making him not able to see his progressions? The guy can’t read in his back pedal. I think we will be seeing more pistol/shotgun as the season prgresses. For whatever the reason it is when he has to back pedal that he can’t find the recievers that will about to become open. Someone on here suggested he may have a depth problem, and it actually makes sense if you think about how he over/underthrows when he has to account for his back pedal and recivers moving up field. When he starts in the back field he can make far better reads thats for sure.
Jason La Canfora
How he calls himself a sports writer is beyond me. I have read his articles and have decided that it is a waste of time. As for Matt Cassel, I support him and the Chiefs. I don’t pretend to know what the game plan is. The more games they play, the better they will get. I hope they peak at the right time. GOOO CHIEFS!!!!!
I would also say Joel
That when you watch the video of Cassel in press conferences, Cassel has no visible lack of confidence that he is running the team. Right now there are no cracks in that armor. If and when you begin to see him faltering in that regard, you can believe that something has changed. Until then, he is the man.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
The guy is a stammering idiot in press conferences
That gives canned answers that make zero sense when placed in context with their question. Haley exudes confidence, Cassel has an air of idiocy imo. Dont let the pretty boy smile fool you..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related
by LHO on Sep 23, 2010 1:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I could not disagree more with your comments
Cassel handles himself very well infront of the press. He is engaging and seems very dialed in.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
The dilemma...
…$7 Million roster bonus in March. This is before the draft and that could become a concern. If he doesn’t play “at a level of a $63M player” (which is the 3rd top QB salary), do you pay the $7M and hope for a trade or do you release him?
-I think you release him. I don’t see anyone taking on that type of salary for a trade.
Let’s hope he has stellar numbers for the rest of the year.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to add
draft Tim Tebow
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
I hate to say it
but Tebow is looking more confident than Cassel already.
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
based on what?
Tebow hasn’t attempted or completed an NFL pass yet, and he has 2 yds rushing?
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Really?!
Read my comment again………..Tebow is “looking” more confident than Cassel.
This is simply an observation and requires no fact whatsoever……..an observation.
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
OK
Tebow will always show confidence. That is what the kid is all about. Confidence is only good if it leads to production on the field. So this means NADDA
Well
a lack of confidence < NADDA because that will never translate to production on the field.
Hopefully Cassel can find it, he’s had it before…
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He did play in
the preseason, and he did appear to me to carry himself with a lot of confidence on the field.
(An observation from one who is NOT a fan of Tebow. But I had to keep it real with that comment)
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
With the bonus due pre-draft
It’s a delicate situation for the Chiefs. They would be forced to cut him without a replacement in house, unless they bring in a FA. A free agent QB would likely cost them too much anyway.(reference Charlie Whitehurst). If there’s no FA, this would tip the whole league off that they’re drafting a QB. They would have to feel pretty good about Brodie Croyle to cut Cassel, and take their chances drafting a rookie with their entire hand laying face up on the card table.
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
Or another way out of the situation
Is to make a deal for Kolb, early in the offseason. He’s already got a big contract, but possibly more upside than Cassel. If Vick can bring the Eagles to the playoffs, this may be feasible. Will cost us some high draft picks, though.
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
by Randy5225 on Sep 23, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO KOLB
He had one good game against us last year, considering we were one of the worst defenses last season i wouldnt say it was that big of an achievement
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
From the games I've seen
Kolb looks much more poised in the pocket than Cassel.
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
by Randy5225 on Sep 23, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
More Poised in the Pocket
He’s got to have a pocket. If Matt had a pocket to pass in then I bet he’d look a little more poised! Either way, he’s not the future of a consistently winning franchise! IMO
He's had pockets this season
and not done well with them.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 23, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you!!!
The pass blockin this year is light years ahead of last years pass blockin! But Matt continues to play the exact same way as he did last year!
by LookListenLearn on Sep 23, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say the same thing I said
About Croyle. Let’s say every day you turn the corner at 3rd street you got punched in the face by a vagrant. Then 2 or 3 days in a row you turn the corner and nothing happens. If you think there is no longer any threat and go back to whistling showtunes and skip around the corner, you are an idiot, plain and simple. The same can be said of Cassel. Yes the pass blocking is better, but he spent a lot of time on his back getting dominated by opposing defenses, and now after only 2 games you expect him to assume it is all peaches and cream?
The Kansas City Chiefs, ruining playoff hopes since 2010
i expext him to be at least a lil better
he showed no improvement in the pre season either. wit all these weapons the chiefs have added this year for him, i would have expected him to show improvement. i dont care how many games it is.
by LookListenLearn on Sep 24, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Not the oline
Do we really need to keep blaming an Oline that has allowed only four sacks over the past five regular season games?
by buglerchris on Sep 23, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Mallett?
I would rather have Andrew Luck. Maybe even Kellen Moore (Brees 2.0/lefty).
Marcus Allen stuck it to the blAcK HoLe.
by COChiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think that Luck is great. Moore is good too. Still a lot of football left…big game from mallett this week. But I think (hope) that we will have too many wins to get to the top 5-8 picks. I think that mallett is going to be great in the NFL and likely available at the position we will be drafting.
Take a knee and face out, Sapper
I told my friend the exact same thing
Either draft someone or trade for a stud QB that wants to move on. None of this backup with upside garbage.
The way I see it
This is why I think it’s likely we might see Croyle start before the end of this season if Cassel’s decline continues. If he steps up his game, and I think there is at least some hope he will, this is all moot. If he doesn’t, we’ll get to see what Croyle can do behind a line that might actually be able to protect him this time around. If Croyle can play, we’ll likely release Cassel and pick up a QB in the draft, but a 1st round choice won’t be necessary.
Everybody knows Pioli
likes to find late QB gems. I don’t see them spending a #1 on a QB.
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
i dont like that "finding late round QB gems"
He found Brady. how many other late round QBs have gone on to lead a strong team. Brady is the exception not the rule
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
good point
Cassel can’t be considered a gem at this point. Guess I should have said TRY to find late round gems.
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
This isn't true at all
Pioli has never needed to find a late round QB gem. They had Bledsoe when he was good and drafted Brady as a backup. Since then, having Brady outperform to anybody’s expectations, they never needed to draft a late round “gem”.
Chiefs Will
Yeah, you're Right
…because the Pat’s current QB, the one sitting behind Brady should he go down, WASN’T EVEN DRAFTED.
They picked him up the day after last year’s draft. So he wasn’t a round 6 gem, he wasn’t a round 7 gem, yet he’s number two on the depth chart and made the cut over a former 3rd rounder, O’Connell.
Rd 3
Personally I think round 3 is the right time to find a future QB. I’m not interested in the super star 1st rounder who isn’t ready to work on his game. I think round 2 or 3 is where you find the guy with a chip on his shoulder who will be ready to play after a season on the bench.
You can't be detracted by busts like Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn etc
The risk is the same as players at any other position. Personally i’d take my chances at picking up the next Rivers, Rodgers or Jay Cutler
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to admit that I'd do backflips if we found the next Aaron Rodgers.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
might alreay have him :)
sorry, just have to play Devil’s advocate
but, yes… I would consider drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds next year, regardless of Cassel’s play this season…
IF the rest of the defense keeps playing well, and there aren’t a bunch of other immediate needs… the first 3 rounds could be NT, OT, QB in any order
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There are a LOT of QB FA's next year.
….I saw the list here somewhere and if I recall there was like a dozen or so (yes, we can disregard trying to sign Peyton).
I think there’ll probably be a Gannon type of QB either in that group or go with the draft. I’m tired of not TRYING to draft a 1st round QB since Blackledge. I say, if there’s a QB on the board in the 1st round that we can develop, go for it.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Here's the QB FA list
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?y=2011
Obviously hasn’t been updated since Warner is still listed, but that’s a pretty nice list.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
at least 2 of those guys have re-signed
I know that Brady and Kolb both have new deals.
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
THATS IT
BRING BACK THIGGY
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
You'd have to outbid the Bills
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
Gailey will have his QB of the future
Then again Gailey may not be given another year cause right now i see the Bills as winning a MAX of 2 games
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
off that list hope we can land....
Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpin!
We’re getting the band back together!
by What a Mclusterf*ck on Sep 23, 2010 9:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
just need a drummer
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
Screw it...
get Grbac, Gutier, and Painter
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Go after Trent Edwards
He’s a FA next season isn’t he? he would be good as a back up. i mean he’s putting up near as good numbers as Cassel and he has NO O-LINE, NO WR, AND THE RBs DON’T LOOK AS GOOD AS EVERYONE THOUGHT. He’d be a good back up at the least. Draft a QB in the 1st or second round at least and have edwards as an insurance policy
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
And he's named Trent
maybe he can wear #10
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
nothing about Trent Edwards would be an upgrade over Cassel
this is a clear case of “the grass is greener”
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Yeah, that's a pretty good assessment.
One of my closest friends is a Bills fan (originally from Buffalo, he’s pretty die hard).
Keeping tabs on his weekly assessments of Edwards, we’d be as well off with Leinart as with him. Not a serious option, imo.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Trent Edwards!?
He just got benched on the worst team in the league after 2 games.
Ryan Fitzpatrick will not be any better.
As i said. NO O-Line, NO WR, Average RBs. We’ve got, what looks to be an ok O-line, one of the best running games, and some alright recieving options. I’m not saying make Trent Edwards the starter, but as a backup he would be good
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Whitehurst wasn't a FA, Sea traded for him. I think there will be plenty of FA QBs available
could be signed for 1-2 years and draft a qb to develop. Hassleback, even Bulger would be an upgrade over Cassel next year
MAN THERE MUST NOT BE ANYTHING ELSE TO WRITE ABOUT...sigh
LAME…..
"Oh I'm Sorry I Thought This Was AMERICA"
by porkchop_sandwiches on Sep 23, 2010 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
It is a major question...
and it is getting attention because the rest of the team has shown improvement over last season.
I am hoping that the kid steps up his game, he has atleast 14 more games to show us what he is worth…and analyzing his play after each game should be encouraged not frowned upon…
I for one am pulling for the guy, but I am not going to act like there is not a problem with how he has been playing thus far…
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
2 Games!
"Oh I'm Sorry I Thought This Was AMERICA"
by porkchop_sandwiches on Sep 23, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
So what...
Why wouldn’t you analyze a guy after each game? he has been our starter through 17 games…and is off to a poor start this season…
That being said, I am not writing him off, all I am saying is that it is concerning and is definitly a topic for discussion.
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
My GAWWWWD...
Matt, You NEED to get in the ass of your receivers, and your own head. You can lead a team to a big winning record in New England. You can do it here! I am tired of defending you. The broken record keeps spinning, and the impatient ones are now being heard across the country, not just here. Shut them up, or GTFO! Really!
It all starts this Sunday vs. the 49ers
Cassel has to perform this Sunday in Arrowhead or we will lose this game. San Fran is too good a run defense to win the game with not even a threat of a passing game. I may be one of only a few but I believe Matt can and will quiet his critics this weekend.
50/50
I’m 50/50 on this weekend’s game. I think there is an equal chance of Cassel playing well and laying another egg. I’m not ready to throw him under the bus yet, but I’m getting close. I will say that if he plays like he did against Cleveland, I don’t see any hope for improvement when we play Indy and Houston. By then many folks will be calling for his head. Sunday may truly be a make or break day for Cassel. Not that he needs any additional pressure…
If Cassel doesn't have a good game we will lose to the 49ers.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
by CPT.Caveman on Sep 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
I would have said the same thing about the Chargers. The 49ers might revert back to their week 1 form too. Anything is possible. I don’t think a Chiefs victory with a poor Cassel performance will help his cause any though.
To be fair to Cassel though (as if he is reading this) I really am pulling for the guy.
I'm pulling for him too.
But i knew we would beat the Chargers whether Cassel played well or not, but it would have been the icing on the cake if he’d thrown for 250 yards and 3 TD’s.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
by CPT.Caveman on Sep 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
KC WILL NEVER GET LOVE....
We could go 13-0 and the media will still nitpick us to death…Oh wait they did…
"Oh I'm Sorry I Thought This Was AMERICA"
by porkchop_sandwiches on Sep 23, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah cuz you know starting 2-0
is just a horrible way for a QB to start the season, we cant have that we better cut him now
fixed
2-0 is just a horrible way for a QB team to start the season
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Sep 23, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
The windows to win Championship are too small...
To start over with a rookie QB…if Cassel does not step up this yr and prove he is “the guy”, they will not start over with a rookie next yr.Its the most important position on the field…Yes they may draft a QB high, but I think you have to bring in a FA to lead the team and groom the rookie..or dare I say….give Croyle the reins next yr
Agree
Honestly I think still think Croyle is as good an option as any FA out there. I think we can actually protect him now, although no QB gets away with no hits. It’s a risk, but it’s not like it’s a bigger risk than bringing in a cast away FA to run the show.
And he goes out for the year the first time he gets sacked and we’re right back to where we started.
seems to me he took a sack or two a year ago in the opener at the Ravens, and came out just fine ...
… not to mention 2 years now of conditioning by the gym known as Body By Haley ©
oh yeah, and he (Croyle) looks better in the pocket, more comfortable and in control, has a far better arm and better “touch” on the ball, knows how to look off receivers, seems to know who’s going to be where more and better than Cassel, seems to be able to read defenses better and faster …
... but nah, we wouldn't want a QB like THAT, would we? nah ...
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
and Croyle can complete a ball once he is out of the pocket.
I have yet to see Cassel do that this year. (includes pre season).
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
by ChiefsChance on Sep 23, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
He would have won that one time
but then he got injured.
Chiefs Will
Back up
I would say if croyle started this year we would have a pretty good and expensive back up. Maybe Cassel just needs to come off the bench to reach his Pats potential.
Offical member of the Eric Berry Fan Club
I used o argue that if Croyle beefed up, he would become more resilient.
However, I no longer believe this to be the case. This is because he has demonstrated no increase in resiliency after body by Haley. If I’m no mistaken, Brodie suffered two separate injuries in the preseason alone.
I will agree that Brodie is a better passer. However, he can’t stay on the field and should therefore never be considered to be the starter. I also think he still lacks the maturity to be a competent leader.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Sep 23, 2010 2:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Croyle in preseason?
Did you watch Preseason? Croyle didn’t look any better than Cassel.. Just saying.
Lets go chiefs! 2-0 after sunday afternoon!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 23, 2010 6:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
6 Months
Absolutely nothing will happen for 6 months. Sit back, watch, this discussion at this point is moot.
Given the Chiefs history on drafting QBs...
I can’t say I would have a lot of confidence. I know we have a different GM now, but still. Who is the best QB ever drafted by KC?
Chiefs Will
How many times have we tried a first round QB
ONCE. Todd Blackledge. Look at San Diego, they drafted arguably the biggest 1st round QB bust ever in Ryan Leaf. Look what other QB they drafted in the first round. You know that Rivers guy
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
After this years draft I don't think I'm too worried about our GM and coaches picking a QB in the draft.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
The Raiders continue to be the proverbial pile of shit from the sphincter of the football gods.
by CPT.Caveman on Sep 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
facepalm
this is brutal.
- I think it’s clear that the Chiefs are committed to Cassel.
- I think it’s clear that Cassel has the intangibles they are looking for.
- there isn’t another QB option available that would be ANY better at this point
- Cassel’s stats haven’t been great, but he HAS done enough to get the team to 2-0 (YES, the D and ST lead the way, but Cassel did throw a TD pass and lead the team to enough points to win, so you can’t say he hurt them)
- it is GAME FRIGGIN THREE of a 16 game season, and panic or giving up on Cassel is very premature (and don’t say “he had all of last year” because Cassel DID play well at times last season, but overall 2009 was a throw away/rebuilding year)
- Let’s table this discussion until a) Cassel’s play costs the Chiefs a win b) the season is over c) another viable option at QB presents itself or d) the NFL draft
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by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
I don't think anyone is panicing...
we are having a discusion on the play of our QB…
Hey...How'd everyone get in my room?
I think a lot of people are panicking
and I don’t see a lot of balanced discussion about his play…
just a lot of “he sucks” get rid of him.
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Well, disregard those comments
I haven’t written him off and think he still is a viable option. I just always look at the “what if’s” in case we’re betweena rock and a hard place.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
fair enough
IF he plays better and/or the Chiefs keep winning with him… I say keep him, but draft a developmental QB anyway
IF he plays horribly and/or the Chiefs start losing because of him…. then, you gotta look for a high draft pick or another viable option IF one can be located
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by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly my point, we're on the same page
…it’s still way too early to make a decision, but March isn’t that far off.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
balanced discussion?
What is there positive to say? we are 2-0? He didnt win games for us look at his numbers!!!!!! He has turned the ball over and took sacks in those games!
Ok one positive note—-he gets fired up about scrambling to get down to the 1 yd line! If thats the only positive lets bring in Pat White or Troy Smith!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
there are positives, if you're willing to see them
he took far fewer sacks than prior years, has done a better job of throwing the ball away and making smarter decisions
he hasn’t fumbled yet, and his 2 picks weren’t terrible plays
he has had several good passes, a TD on a great play fake, set up by Cassel’s run for a 1st down
he led the offense on FG scoring drives that put enough points on the board to win at CLE and ran time off the clock to win the game
the overall stats arent great, and there are some negatives… but so say there are no positives is simply not true
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sorry not seeing it
of course he has fewer sacks its only two games! I wouild hope he hasnt been sacked 40 times yet…..
picks arre always terrible plays, he underthrew Chambers on that INT!
listen to yourself-(several good passes and a first down run) in two games is not a $63mil QB worthy performance! and the TD pass—-he almost overthrew a WIDE OPEN Moeaki on that play!
my favorite one( he lead the offense on FG scoring drives) AGAINST CLEVELAND!
TDs not FGs are what we should be striving for…….
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
listen to yourself
a TD is a TD… you can’t say he “almost” overthrew a player
it’s fewer sacks PER GAME, and through 2 games
but, I don’t pretend that I’m going to convince those of you who think everything Cassel has ever done has been bad…. you’re entitled to your one-sided opinion…. even if it is incorrect.
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all I'm saying is there has been SOME good, SOME bad in his games
and it HAS been good enough to win SO FAR
YES, I hope he plays better, and I hope Berry plays better vs the pass, and I hope Richardson blocks better, and I hope McCluster gets a chance to do something, and I hope Bowe gets more catches and doesn’t drop any…
There is PLENTY of room for improvement on the whole team, not just Cassel
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Berry and McCluster are rookies and Richardson is a back up. I’m not sure you’re comparing apples to apples here.
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I'm not comparing them
just saying that there is some good, some bad in every player on the team, and singling Cassel out as worthless is incorrect
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Come on Stag. You’re acting like there is no middle ground between “support the qb” and “the qb is worthless” when a good number of people fall in the middle category. I want the guy to succeed as much as anybody but he’s had a season and two games, there are no more excuses. I don’t even need to see a great game or huge numbers, just SOMETHING besides holding the ball.
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I'm in that middle ground
he needs to play better, but he hasn’t been as horrible as most of you are trying to say
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Most of the people aren’t saying he is horrible. Most of the people are in that middle ground. That’s the general feeling I’ve gotten recently. Has he played well? Absolutely not. He’s had one decent half of football this season. He showed last year that he could do the same. We need him to come out and put together a FULL GAME of decent play.
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If Cassel is so great how did we get him....
and Vrabel for a second round pick? NE got what they could for him while they could! There were plenty other teams that needed a QB and they were not going to give that much, and there is NO way he would have gotten that contract anywhere else!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I know it's hard to believe now
but Cassel was a hot commodity at the time
and Pioli’s relationship with NE certainly had a lot to do with it.
they were probably going to let Vrabel go to save cap space, so throwing him in with Cassel wasn’t a huge deal
I still think the Chiefs got a nice bargain with that trade
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Because Apparently McDaniels thought he would be better.
He wanted Cassel as his QB when he had Cutler as his QB. He coached Cassel and apparently though he had some talent. Granted McDaniels appears to be a personnel retart, but he must have thought Cassel had a chance.
I am not sold on Cassel, but he is the QB right now, so I hope he figures it out. If he doesn’t I will be ready to move on after this season.
by saskwatch on Sep 23, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good points
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I agree the team needs to improve
However if not for the Def and special teams big plays we would have LOST both games! Cassel has not won those and has done more to lose them if anything!
122 yards per game, 1 TD, 2 INT, 2 sacks, and a long pass of 27yards is crap! A backup QB would have a hard time keeping his job with those numbers!
Now remember we are paying this guy $63 Million……………………
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
if, if, if
if not for the Def and special teams big plays we would have LOST both games
if not for Cassel’s TD pass, or the FG drives he led… they would have lost too.
it’s a TEAM game, and everyone COULD have played better… but they all did ENOUGH TO WIN.
yes, Cassel CAN and SHOULD play better, but you can’t say he hurt the team… because they won with him
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Question
You seem pretty fired up on Cassel’s bandwagon so let me ask you this. Since last season, Pioli and Haley have said they will play the best players available and go into the market to find better players available at all positions. Do you think they have followed thru with that pledge? Was Cassel truly the best QB option available from Feb 2009 and now in the market? Has he clearly outperformed Brodie and Palko?
by buglerchris on Sep 23, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, I think Cassel gives the team a better chance to win games than Palko or Croyle
Was there a better QB option available? well… at the time… i dont’ think so, can you think of one?
more recently, of course, McNabb would have been a pretty good pickup, but other than that, I can’t think of anyone that’s blowing the doors off.
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Stop with the freaking $63 million argument!
Whitlock really got you with that one, didn’t he? Find the specifics of that contract and tell me how much of that money was guaranteed. After that, tell me you know without a doubt that Pioli plans on holding Cassel to that contract no matter how he performs.
It’s almost like saying that Haley is stupid for having Clancy Pendergast, as if we were handcuffed to that guy for the long haul. You knew they were going to upgrade at both coordinator positions, yet people still complained that Pioli and Haley were crazy for thinking Haley as O coordinator and Pendergast at D coordinator were with us for the long haul.
Complain about the $63 million when Cassel receives it.
Chiefs Will
by old_school on Sep 23, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention that contract is not outrageous.
It is a similar deal to Garrard, Delhomme and Bulger. You can argue that it is too much, but that is the going rate. The contract is not cost prohibitive, and if he fails to prove himself this year it is structured so that they can get out from the contract and can move on.
by saskwatch on Sep 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely
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Sacks
Is it Cassel or the O-line that is the reason for less sacks? And the less fumbles is that Cassel or the O-line? Great play fake – that would also have to fall not just on Cassel but the RB and the TE sneaking through the defense. Ok I will give one positive he has shown heart when running the ball. But a lot of his success this year and there hasn’t been many I think we can contribute not to Cassel but the improvement of players around him.
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arent you the guy that said stats dont matter stag?
so if i give an example of his pssing yrd, Qb rating, completion percentage, you are going to say that doesnt matter either.
not a very FAIR stance to take IMO.
This post is about “If he does NOT improve”
I always say stats don't really matter
and I believe that… I would be perfectly happy if Cassel plays at his current statistical level and the Chiefs go 10-6 and make the playoffs this year.
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by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
honestly? no
but, I honestly DO think Cassel’s stats will be significantly better as the season goes on, and that the numbers for the first 2 games are irrelevant
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fair enough..
for me, i just was not that impressed with him last yr, and this yr, though i know the first 2 games have not been pretty, i see the same tendencies he had last yr…..holding the ball, not running when he has a lane, inaccurate, happy feet, ect.ect ect….
I hope he vastly improves. I think we are too close to being a legit playoff team that can do some damage…id hate to have to start over with a new QB. With free agency the way it is today, teams have very small windows to win championships…what is a strength for your team this season, might not be next season if 1-2 key players leave
yeah, I'm not blown away by his performances, of course
I think he has a lot of room for improvement, and the ability to actually improve.
I also agree that starting over would set the team backwards… especially with some other mediocre QB like Kolb, Edwards, Troy Smith or some of the other guys people on here are asking for…
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It has to get better
There is no where else for his stats to go but up at this point.
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Our stats are so out of context it isn't even funny
Getting that big lead on the Chargers, and playing “bend but don’t break prevent D”, and “just don’t lose us the game O” did that.
exactly
the announcers in both games were talking about how the Chiefs shut down the offense and weren’t giving Cassel any opportunities.
Dilfer was repeating over and over in the SD game that they shouldn’t get that conservative, and it’s a difficult position they put Cassel in having to only pass on 3rd and long because the playcalling was ultra conservative.
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+1000
They offensive play calling needs work. The OC needs to give confidence to Cassel early in the game. Bubble screens and any other short passes to get him started should go along way. Let him throw. And like Dilfer said, not only on third down. You can’t go run, run, pass, punt. Throw on first down for a change. Use the pass game to open up the run game, then use a lot of play action.
Marcus Allen stuck it to the blAcK HoLe.
by COChiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO!
only team to do something like that was the Ravens with Trent Dilfer! We are not that good of a defense and Id still take Dilfer over Cassel!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Chicago in 2006 also.
Grossman was terrible.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Sep 23, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Look at Roethlisberger
The last time they went to the superbowl, his QB rating was unbelievably low that year.
by ChiefsDude on Sep 23, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, partially....
….but is he playing to the level of a $63M (3rd highest QB) in the NFL? -I don’t think so.
That’s the lingering question. There’s no panic, why not discuss it? That’s the whole point of blogging about the “what if’s”. If he pans out…GREAT, mute point. If not, then you need to consider alternatives….and if he doesn’t renegotitate his contract based on performance, then we have a dilemma.
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Nicely said Stags
Also, I’d submit that we’ve only seen about 12% of the playbook so far this year. When Weis starts opening up more of the playbook, then and only then will we be able to legitimately assess Cassel’s performance…
Personally, I’m of the mind that we need to see more of Matt before we throw him under the bus. I really don’t think Brodie is the answer…
Where did you get the 12%?
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statistical analysis :)
I do agree that they have really handcuffed Cassel so far with the playcalling
and that it’ll get better
but Brodie won’t get better
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what does Cassel do thats better than Croyle???
Keep from getting injured?..Croyle got hurt behind shitty O Lines….and if you remember correctly Cassel was hurt before the season ever started last yr and wore a brace for 4 games afterwards.
The line has improved..
again, I say
Cassel WINS.
it’s not pretty
he will hopefully play better
but, he finds ways to win, and Cassel IS at his best late in games when the Chiefs need to score or move the ball
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I wont just keep brow beating you with this...
ive had this same debate several times this week…some didnt end too good…lol
Ill just say..“i sure hope you are right and he improves”….
Good debate Stag…you didnt even resort to calling me a bad name. Thats the way it should be…haha
you bet
I’m tired of the same conversations, too
but, I do like discussing things with reasonable people
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Backup
QB’s are always the most popular player on the team. He’s a bcakup for a reason. Bring him in, and watch him play, and you will be beggin’ for the next QB in line no matter who it is.
Marcus Allen stuck it to the blAcK HoLe.
by COChiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
2 out 16 games complete
Its just a guestimate. We’ve only completed 1/8th of our games, so that’s 12%…
this is, of course, assuming that Weis is not showing all of his playbook in the first 2 games. I think that’s a safe assumption…
12%, HUH?
Just because we have played 12.5% of the games does not in anyway suggest we have seen only 12% of the playbook.
by buglerchris on Sep 23, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
I’ve explained my assumption, which I think is a fair explanation. I think its fair to assume that Weis will be rolling out a new part of the playbook for every game this year. He’s a fairly savvy coach…
Rather than telling me that I’m just wrong, perhaps you can explain why you think I’m wrong, then we’ll discuss it intelligently, like adults…
Bottom line is that neither of us know what the hell is going on with those coaches, but I enjoy hypothesizing…
Not a logical extension
Under your rationale, the Chiefs will not be rolling out their full game plan until the final game of the season. Since many teams are struggling to make the playoffs well before that point, they would not wait for game 15 or game 16 to use their full playbook. I would imagine their goal is to have the bulk of their game plan in use by week six or seven so they will know what works and what does not work with the current personnel sets. That will give them time to tweak and adjust the plays thereafter.
I fully agree that any new offense will be rolled out in parts. What I said was that you cannot infer that it will be rolled out in equal parts over the course of the season. For example, I would have to presume that we have seen more than 12% of the ways the Chiefs will line up and run the ball. I think it reasonable to assume they have shown, excluding wildcat, at least half of the configurations the running game they will use during the season. There are just not that many variations of running and pulling plays to believe we have only seen 12% by now.
We will be talking about it next week then, because if Cassel doesn't have a good game we will lose to the 49ers.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but what if he DOES have a great game?
will everyone then be saying “well, it was just a fluke, he still stinks” ?
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I'll be the first to give him props
after I change my underpants.
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I don't go into every week hoping Cassel will fail.
If Cassel has a great game, good for us and great for the team. While i do think we’ve seen flashes of what our offense could look like, it needs to be maintained throughout a game, not just 1 or 2 quarters.
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 23, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
While i do think we’ve seen flashes of what our offense could look like, it needs to be maintained throughout a game, not just 1 or 2 quarters.
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Well conceived and well stated.
I think it would take a 4-game slide where Cassel’s play was a deciding factor. Even though that may be the beginning of the end for MC, I think Haley would have him finish out the rest of the season. A qb swap midseason is too detrimental to team unity.
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by soybon on Sep 23, 2010 2:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We may have a 4 game slide coming, look at who we play.
If we lose to the 49ers, and then the Colts, and then the Texans, and then, well you get the picture It could get ugly real fast around here. We can’t wait until week 8 for signs of life, we need it now.
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Hmmmm let me go back and read my statement above.
Lets see nope i don’t see where i said that at all, just said we could lose the 4 games coming up. But we an argue about something else if you like.
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Call me crazy, but I don't boo my own team
I’ll be there Sunday and if Cassel plays poorly I definitely won’t be cheering, but booing the Chiefs just feels wrong.
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Maybe, just maybe Cassel will have a decent game..
I hate when I hear booing at Arrowhead. Just doesn’t seem right.
Cassel needs to show us somthing this week.....
I am a Cassel supporter (no homo:) but I am really starting to get worried. He has looked horrible so far. I know, I know we’re 2-0, thanks to great defence and special teams. We won’t be able to run all over San Fran this week so Matty is going to have to throw the ball. I’m really hoping for a good game this week. Get’um Matt!!
Every time I try to cheer for Cassel
I end up yelling at the TV like a teenage son.
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Haha!
Me also… I scare the crap out of my dogs screaming at the top of my lungs " Throw the damn ball !!!!!" My wife and kids are used to me screaming at the TV so they just ignore me.
lol
Im waiting to hear Haley screaming “Throw the damn ball Matt”!!!!!!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how Haley doesn't loose it......
Watching Cassel stare downfield for what seems like an eternity only to get sacked or run out of bounds. I nearly pull my hair out.
The jeopardy song plays in my head everytime he drops back to pass!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
for me it's the looney tunes theme song
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Somebody (I don't remember if it was Mitch, Len or who)...
was saying the other day that the Chiefs are trying to get Cassel to lock MORE onto his receivers. They said he’s too quick to look them off, and the Chiefs are trying to correct that.
Wow
I guess i need to look at the tapes closer. Cause I swear Cassel locks on to recievers and doesn’t look around that much.
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That is not my concern.
I do not think he locks on the primary receiver. My concern is he drops back looks towards the primary, and then if not immediately open starts moving around. I am probably as much of a Cassel supporter as anyone, but I worry about his ability to move through his progressions properly.
I was just about to say the same thing.
It might have something to do with Haley harping on not turning the ball over also. I think Haley would rather win ugly than take any chances that cause a turn over or penalty’s, hell he said it in his last interview.
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It was during the Browns game.
I listened to both radio and TV, so I’m not sure, but I believe it was either Mitch or Len who said it.
I heard that too.
Locking on to a WR is bad in my book, but he does seem to give up on a guy fast, so maybe their right.
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I'll watch the game again tonight and get back with ya tomorrow.
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Since when do we listen to Jason La Canfora?
The dude is so full of shit it’s coming out of his ears.
We have until March to get rid of Cassel if we need to, and there’s noone out there that is going to be a significant upgrade.
That said, yes, Cassel needs to improve and I damn well want to see it this week. I’ll have my fingers crossed.
by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Sep 23, 2010 9:50 AM CDT reply actions
isn't he the guy at the draft with less than a minute to go with Chiefs pick
that said something like “I’m hearing they are definitely going with a LT.” ??
22.
Cassel is playing like crap!!!!!!!!!!!
2 games or 17 games however you like to put it, Cassel is does not look anywhere near an NFL starter!
- he holds the ball too long, making slow reads(he was third in times sacked last season and lead the league in times sacked in NE—-there is a trend there!)
- he STARES down his recievers everybody on the Def knows where is trying to go with the ball…its not a coincident he gets so many passes batted down by DL-lets face it he does not have the arm strength to throw the ball deep to WR(he likes throwing underneath to TEs and RBs
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I invite you all to go back and focus on him when watching the game!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions
arm strength?
he has the arm strength, he just doesnt have the accuracy or touch to make the completion. he can’t even throw the short underneath throws properly. he over threw Moekei on his TD pass. Poor guy had to jump 5 ft in the air when there was no one around him.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
while watching QB drills in camp
Cassel was clearly the most accurate passer they had.
I think you could just as easily blame Wiess and our receivers. Our receivers don’t seem capable of beating any of the DBs they face, so let’s do a better job of creating mismatches and confusion. The only thing that’s been partially successful is the hurry up offense. But that only gets us so far.
I agree
Our recievers need to get blamed to. Chambers has looked very slow, McCluster is a rookie but he needs to find space and look for the ball. Bowe has looked ok but he is not getting a lot of seperation. Cassel will improve if his recievers can get open faster. That being said I still don’ t think that Cassels ceiling is high enough to be our franchise QB.
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I will say this in support of Bowe
Does anyone in here think he’s a speed WR? Hell no we don’t, he’s a jump ball guy who would rather fight for the ball than run crisp route’s. We have to get Cassel to let it go in his direction more, even if the coverage is good.
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Get your torches ready and the flames burning... but
With the situation in Philly, I would take either Vick or Kolb, They both would be a MAJOR upgrade at the position, and if we got Vick, atleast he could be a fill in while our next years drafted QB could sit and learn
Vick is definitely part of the "right 53"
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by Randy5225 on Sep 23, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He would be a nice stop-gap
And he has been playing lightyears ahead of Cassel!
Like him or not, he is still talented, and I also said I would be open to having Kolb as well.
by readANDgold58 on Sep 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I really like Vick
But I don’t think Pioli and the Hunt family would take the chance.
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Vick
Since being in Philly he as been a model citizen. He took his role well and when asked to play he played hard. He has not been a distraction to Philly except for what he did years a go. He would do very well here in KC
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I hate Vick
Are we watching college ball or the NFL, IMO QB’S like Vick have brought down the quality of QB’s in the NFL. That type of QB gets picked now because they can run, and the teams hope they have the brains to learn a NFL level play book or even be very good at throwing the ball. I guess I’m to old fashion but i hate the fact that teams take out their starting QB and put some punk that was labeled a QB in to run some gimmick play. It ruin the flow of the game and it’s lame to boot. I like Exciting football but a QB that’s good at just running with the ball isn’t in that category.
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It would be smart to re-structure his contract if he hasn't proven himself by the end of the season.
Then we could set our sights on drafting a quarterback to give Cassel better competition. I think that’s the problem…he hasn’t had to fight for the job. There’s no motivation there.
His agents won't sign on that
They would force the Chiefs hand with the 7 million bonus due in March. Cut him or pay him.
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I wonder what the cap hit would be if we just cut him.
by SupremeChief on Sep 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe fairly minimal.
They structured his contract to allow them to get out after 2 yaers if it didn’t work out.
i'm sure Croyle is enough competition
coaches and Pioli doesnt want to admit the 62million dollar mistake so they put Cassel as the starter regardless if Croyle out performed him.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
Croyle never overcame his mistakes. He made poor decisions.
Trusted his arm and accuracy a little too much and is VERY injury prone.
by SupremeChief on Sep 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
But he's got a hot wife
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
by Randy5225 on Sep 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen to that one.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
more so then Cassel?
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
On those points, absolutely.
Croyle tries to force things that aren’t open. He makes quick decisions, but in a very Favre-esque sort of way – very bad quick decisions.
He’s often in the gunslinger mode, without that extra ‘something’ that someone like Favre has.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Croyle never had the talent around him that Cassel does!
At least he has Arm strength and accuracy to trust……. I think Brodie has developed more than people realize he looks off coverage now and makes quick decisions to get the ball out quick!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
he gets the ball out quick
so that he doesn’t get smashed to pieces.
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
I have to disagree.
Croyle stares down the gun barrel and lets it fly even when there is a 300 lb lineman about to crush him. This is half the reason he can’t stay healthy. I think Croyle has all the tools, the problem is you can’t trust him to be your starter. I do believe that he is one of the better backups in the league.
Don't get me wrong...
I love me some Brodie. Wish to high heaven he could stay on the field. He just can’t.
Maybe we can sign Randy Moss
Ok, let's settle the NFL labor dispute with Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith in a one on one Oklahoma drill. First one to get a concussion loses.
yeah, it's clear that he HAS the ability
they just have to get the entire passing game clicking
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
your not suggesting we trade for Billy Volek are you
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Joe Montana
He’s in good Shape thanks to his new Sketchers Shape ups. He can make a come back.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
by nfamous209 on Sep 23, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Aikmen has been hanging out with Hulk Hogan
Maybe he’s “saying his prayers, and eating his vitamins”?
LMAO!
Damn I feel bad for him every time I see that commercial.
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Feel Bad for who?
Montana? why? feel worse for Aikman hanging out w/ Hogan.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
huh?
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
Whitlock has been begging the Chiefs to bring in Jeff George
since Joe Montana was our QB, especially during Trent Green’s 1st year!
oh i c.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
No (ex)football player
should have to rock those damn shoes on TV…….I hate to see it man
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude have u tried on a set?
I own some, and let me tell you they might be goofy looking, but they are hella comfortable. Most Comfortable pair of shoes i’ve ever owned. and I love Kswiss cuz theyre comfortable but these are by far are more comfortable.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
You got me!
I admit I’ve never tried on a pair, and it will be quite some time before I do. But I believe you about them being comfortable.
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i'm picky too
I have flat feet so comfy shoes are a must. cant do nike’s or rebock so these i had to try, I bought the dressy looking ones. my best friends wife bought a pair too and she loves em. n e ways sorry for thread high jack lol.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
Birkenstock and never look back.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Sep 23, 2010 5:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I see three possible scenarios
1. Cassel starts to come around and is an average NFL QB who can manage a game, not turn the ball over, sustain drives. We finish .500 or better and give SD a run for the AFC west. In this scenario our QB situation would probably be the exact same next year, with a possible late round pick spent on a project QB.
2. Cassel repeats his performance from last year. He’s not good, but he’s not Jamarcus Russell bad. We finish below .500 and the passing game is clearly holding us back. In this scenario I still think we pay the 7mil roster bonus since our team salary is so low, we can afford it, but we either bring in a solid FA QB or draft a QB high and they openly compete in camp to start next year.
3. Cassel continues to regress (and is possibly benched at some point). We finish with only 5-6 wins despite an improved D and easy schedule. In this scenario Cassel is either released or his contract is restructured so he can stay on the team as a back up. We sign a FA and draft a QB in the first three rounds.
"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda
you're probably right
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
Very accurate
I hope for our season’s sake that he comes around…….I really want the team to have a good year, and I’d hate to see this great start crumble.
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 23, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah i can C this happening.
We need to draft Eric Berry, no if's / and's or buts about it!!!!
I think we see Brodie get a chance at some point against SF this week!
Might be after halftime if Cassel comes out like he has so far……
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions
Brodie had a few chances
he is NOT any better
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
Brodie can't stay on the field....
So Cassel is better only by default… Brodies got the arm, just not the body.
Cassel wins.
that’s the difference, IMO
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
Good point.
I’m not completly ginving up on Cassel (yet), but Brodie really had no chance with what he was working with. Cassel has some weapons, he has to get them the ball.
I think we haven't seen the tip of the iceberg on the weapons yet
which is why I’m pretty confident that we’ll see better offense going forward…
we’ve seen very little from the expanded group of weapons on this team… they seem to me to be building from a conservative base offense, and not doing any more than they have to do to win….
So, hopefully, we’ll see more of Cassel, Bowe, Chambers, Dex, Charles, Moeaki and a little less of Jones when the offense starts clicking and the playbook opens up
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
I hope so...
We will need those weapons armed and ready for the game this Sunday. We need to win this game going into the bye. After the buy it get really tough for a couple weeks. The 9ers are going to bring the nasty this week. Cassel has to play better.
agreed
this is a big week, and will be a tough game
the whole team needs to build on the first two games and get better, most obviously the whole offense
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
I really just keep waiting...
For Cassel to start playing better. He has it in him, just needs to find it agian. Hopefully this week. Getting tired of saying that.
that's a fantastic point
I’ve been saying that all week
there’s nothing better that can be said
KC is 2-0 and there is plenty of upside still
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This is the Worst Retort Ever
I’m sick of “just wins” BS. Brodie had to try and start during the Herm Edwards debacle. I would love to see him with these weapons and running game get a shot.
“Just wins” pfffft it’s a team game remember stag? You said so yourself but now it’s the QB that just wins…like Vince Young? How’d that “just wins” QB look last week?
by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 23, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I did say it's a team game
so maybe I should have said… The Chiefs win with Cassel ?
VY is a good example, he, along with about 12 other QBs were terrible last week
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
2-0
Time to switch QB. LOL. Only way Brodie gets on the field this week, is if Cassel gets hurt.
Marcus Allen stuck it to the blAcK HoLe.
by COChiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Brodie played better against Baltimore last year than Cassel did against anyone!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
Can we please have more comments about how Brodie is better than Cassel
while ignoring the blatant fact that Brodie can not stay on the field. He may be as talented as Peyton (he’s not), but you can’t rely on him finishing a game, let alone a season. Again, I remind everyone of the time Brodie through a pick six and was injured while unsuccessfully trying to tackle the defender. He missed two games because he tried to tackle someone! And you guys want to let him take us to the superbowl. Rediculous
by Fourstrike89 on Sep 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
seriously?
Completing a game is a pretty significant achievement?. That comment alone should speak to how fragile Brody Croyle is. He made it through all the way through a single game. Awesome
by Fourstrike89 on Sep 23, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why does it matter
if Brodie can stay on the field. We will have a 63 mil back up ready to come in if he gets hurt this year. I would say that QB did pretty good when he can in for Brady years ago : )
Offical member of the Eric Berry Fan Club
Start Jamaal Charles & get the ball 2 Dexter McCluster
The coaches know what they need 2 do 2 help Cassel out, that’s by startin Jamaal Charles, feed him the rock, by doin this it will greatly improve the passing game, they also need 2 get the ball 2 Dexter McCluster as well, both of these men are playmakers, they can pretty much score from anywhere on the feild, they have weapons, so y not use them, i’m sure there r alot of teams that would love 2 have Charles in their backfield, so they need 2 stop playin with Charles be4 they end up losin him 4ever! I think we would all love 2 know y Charles is not gettin the ball, if u know, please let me know, cuz it’s pissin me off that they r not using their best playmaker, play the man, Go Chiefs!
The past is the past, so believe now
by Kciechiefsfan31984 on Sep 23, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
it's not "pissin me off"
but, I agree
Help Cassel out by getting JC and Dex the ball in space for some YAC this week.
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
Holy crap....
It’s pissin me off. I hate seeing us go three and out with Charles sitting on the sidelines. Granted………. 2-0. So i’m way less pissed off when the games over with a W.
You have convinced me of one thing....
You must have a mancrush on Cassel to ignore his poor performances so much!
My point is he needs to earn his paycheck or the season is going to go downhill!
I would love for him to prove wrong everything I have said because if he does we are a playoff team!
Until then Im going to continue to say he is crap as a starter and is nothing moree than the highest paid backup in history!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no mancrushes
I just don’t get all worked up and ONLY see the negatives… I keep it on the positive side and look forward to improvements.
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
Cassel is in his 6th season!
We should not have to LOOK for positives at this point.
He should get it by now and not have to “develope” into a starting QB!
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
it's his 2nd as a starter
and his first where the team wasn’t a clusterf$%ck
I’m not reaching for positives… there is one positive that means more than anything… and I know people don’t want to hear it, but it’s the ONLY thing that matters
KC is 2-0, and there is plenty of room to get better as a team.
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
by stagdsp on Sep 23, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is in his 3rd season as a starter
Started 2008, 2009, 2010
technicalities
he didn’t start the 08 season as a starter
but he did play very well all year.
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
lol, more playful technicalities
He started the past 33 games he played, thus, in his 3rd year as a starter (smile)
There was an injury one game
Is that correct, when Brodie started?
Yes, the first game last season.
So 15 starts in ’08 and ’09, and 2 starts this season.
Though I give him credit for the win against the Chiefs in ‘08, because Brady wasn’t doing much before he got injured. Not saying he wouldn’t have gotten hot, but it looked like a very winnable game for the Chiefs at the time of his injury.
So maybe 32.5 starts. ;)
um, didn't brady get hurt on the first play?
and Cassel’s first play was a 50+ bomb to Randy moss thrown perfectly out of his own endzone
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
My recollection...
is that Brady got hurt in the 2nd quarter, or at least late in the 1st quarter, but alcohol may have burned those particular brain cells. ;)
Brady was 7-for-11 for 76 yards, completing a 28-yard pass to Randy Moss on the play in which he was injured. Moss fumbled the ball away when he was tackled; the Patriots forced Kansas City to punt, then Cassel came in for New England.
ok, my fault
Arrowhead Pride: a place to intelligently discuss pros and cons of things that aren’t likely to actually happen, and things of which we have zero control or input
No man crush
it’s a simple fact if u get the ball 2 your best playermakers the opponents D will then focus on stopping them, which will allow Cassel 2 get the ball 2 other players such as Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, & Moeaki, it will open things up 4 the offense, with Charles big play ability, the Chiefs offense should be able 2 do alot of play action passes, cuz teams will be focus on stoppin Charles, hell i don’t care if they dink & drunk passin down the field as long as they r gettin they ball 2 Charles, by dinkin & drunkin passes, it gives them chances 2 go big down the field as well, I’m very happy the Chiefs r 2-0, but they need 2 find a better way 2 use their playmakers instead of havin them sit on the bench, Go Chiefs!
The past is the past, so believe now
by Kciechiefsfan31984 on Sep 23, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I do have one legit question.
How long will Haley and Pioli “wait and see” with Cassel before they stick to their word and make him earn his job?
If Cassel continues to perform as he has then at some point you have to sit him on the bench!
DBowe and DJ were put through hell to earn Haley’s confidence!
The starting job was handed to Cassel with his big contract…..
by hotrodchevy1980 on Sep 23, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
we dont need Cassel
as long as JC gets 25 carries a game we'll win
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Sep 23, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If Cassel doesn't cut it
we need to do whatever we need to do to get Ryan Mallett
Take a knee and face out, Sapper
eeeh
not very high on mallett. much rather have Luck. pretty much the only 1st round qb id take. I like Foles in the 2nd-3rd as well.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Sep 23, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Luck will be gone
Hopefully we aren’t drafting to high. I think mallett will be great in the pros and should be available.
Take a knee and face out, Sapper
Ive been on the Cassel band wagon a long time
Not jumping off yet…but that Browns game gave me pause. He has all season to prove his worth…if he really really stinks it up…therz always Croyle.
I really like this Luck feller…if we were to go after him….we might consider a trade with the patriots…we are looking like an 8-8 team…however the patriots have Oaklands 1st pick…If Oakland does its usual thing they might finish in the bottom 5…this might be our last opportunity to snag a top tier QB before we get even better…just talkin here.
Team Berry
by MasterBlaster7 on Sep 23, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Piooli Will Pay The Roster Bonus
Every one knows that Cassel is not the long term solution, but Pioli, Haley & Hunt are patient men who reward team oriented veterans for their loyalty & work ethic. Unless Pioli can trade for a disgruntled QB from a NFC team, they will pay the bonus & then try to trade up to draft a QB next year. Assuming the Chiefs finish 8&8, I think they would trade their middle first round pick plus RB Jaamal Charles for rookie QB Luck or Locker & then cut Cassel a year laer before the 2012 season. Can’t miss franchise QBs are only available every couple of years.
by Chief Fan in DFW on Sep 23, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
Please do no pass around what you’re smoking.
by Bra on Sep 23, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What r u talkin about man?
Trade Jamaal Charles? That’s insane!!
The past is the past, so believe now
by Kciechiefsfan31984 on Sep 23, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Trade?
Just take Kellen Moore. People will shy away from him like they did Drew Brees, because he is vertically challenged. But, he’s a lefty, and the most accurate QB in college. Drew Brees 2.0. No reason to trade up. Take him even if Cassel is on the roster.
Marcus Allen stuck it to the blAcK HoLe.
Questions ?
Cassell’s best game as a Chief?
Don’t you just get the Grbac or Steve Bono vibe off of this guy?
He’ll manage the offense, he’ll make a few plays – but put the offense on his shoulders and sling it till we win it? no..
the Chiefs had a few good years with Trent Green – but it’s hilarious how many quarterbacks they have gone though without hitting on a winner. All the way back to Len Dawson, man.
he proved last year that you can put the offense on his shoulders
go back and look how many games he led the offense down the field to the game tying or go ahead score, just so the defense could give up the game winning drive right after that.
not many options out there
so i wouldnt be quick to unload him. i wasnt to see him succeed and think he still can. not the best situation coming in last year with no o-line, tony gonzales gone, etc. give it time….
that being said, if he stinks all year and they do decide to go in another direction….i would love to have mallett.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I dont get how some people complain that we are paying Cassel too much but
you are wanting us to draft a qb in the 1st round this year. Well then we would be paying an unproven rookie qb that hasnt proven yet that he can win NFl games more then what Cassel is making, and that to me makes absolutely no sense, atleast Cassel has proven he can win NFL games. And if we are going to draft a late round qb then I highly doubt he will be starting next season, so cutting Cassel would not be an option. Alot of us believe that this will be a good team next year capable of making a good playoff run, you arent going to start a project late round qb in that situation unless you have to. If we were going to cut Cassel after this season just to keep from paying him the roster bonus then I think we would have drafted our project qb last year and give him this year to develop, just my opinion.
I dont know about the rest of you
but I really hope we arent drafting high enough to beable to get one of the 1st round qbs this draft cause that would mean that we sucked this year again. And I dont see Pioli giving up late round draft picks to move up high enough to draft any of them.
i give cassel a lot of flack...
but ultimately, i want to see him get better. i would love to see him succeed with the chiefs but so far, i haven’t seen improvement. i’ve seen him regress. that said, he needs to improve and improve quickly. all it will take for the hate chatter from fans to go away is a few good games. that’s what i want to see. if we don’t see that soon, it will be time to find someone who can step in. i know it’s early but i feel like i could step in there and put up some of the numbers he is putting up. heck, i’d do it for half of what cassel is making. maybe what we need to do is hire McD when he is fired from denver at the end of the season to be cassel’s qb coach. it seems like he was the only one who was really able to get anything out of him so far.
Live Adventure!
by MountainManMike on Sep 23, 2010 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
Matt Cassel
I support him and the Chiefs. I don’t pretend to know what the game plan is. As the team plays more games they will get better. I hope they peak at the right time GOOOO CHIEFS!!!!
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Jason from NFL network don’t know squat. Pioli isn’t going to give up this easy on screwing his reputation by getting out of Cassel contract at least until he tries to improves the players around Cassel in the passing game. Farve is making 18 million this yr he’s struggling because of lack of playmakers you want see Vikings saying we’re going to send you back to Hattiesburg since you don’t have any weapons. Cassel struggles have come from the lack of ability of Bowe, Chambers, and Mcluster not being able to get open. Mcluster has done well returning kicks and running the ball but he falls down alot on his routes. Chambers isn’t getting any separation and Bowe just isn’t consistent enough in getting open though I do feel Charlie Weis needs to be more creative in getting him more involved in the offense. Moeaki right now is the only player getting open so its no coincidence he’s the leading receiver on the team and we can’t depend on a rookie tight end to carry this passing game. So until the rest of these guys pick it up Cassel is gonig to struggle.
But Farve is perfect example of no matter how good QB is you still need playmakers in order to be productive. Problem with Cassel is we gave him a huge contract last season but no weapons or o-line to help him be productive. This season the o-line is better but receving core is the same from last yr less drops but getting no separation from the def backs is just as bad as not catching the ball.
REal Prediction
Here’s what I predict. The same situation happen to the Texans they payed backup QB Matt Schaub alot of money before he proved anything on the field his first two seasons he clearly didn’t live up to the contract in his 3rd season they added more weapons like Andre Johnson and Owen Daniels he turned into a pro bowl QB. WE fix the o-line this season next season we’ll sign some young playmakers at receiver and you’ll see better production out of Cassel. Until then we can only hope Bowe will emerge and have that break out season to help this struggling passing game.
We are only two games in, but I do have concerns.
I have been on the Matt Cassell bandwagon since day one. I do see other star QB’s struggling early in the season, i.e: Brett Favre, Joe Flacco, and , to a point Tony Romo. He is moving the team fairly well, but can’t get into the redzone. Hell, I picked up Flacco, as a reserve, on a fantasy league, as somebody already dumped him. So, Cassell isn’t alone, but I just don’t see the self-confidence to get rid of the ball quickly, be decisive, and his accuracy isn’t there. He has proven that he can be a quality Qb in this league, if he has the support and the weapons. based on his performance in New England. Well, I feel the O-line has improved, not perfect, but good enough to limit the pressure and sacks. With the running game we have, there should also be some opportunities to hit some passes downfield. There are still too many dropped balls, so it isn’t all Matt, but some are due to poor throws also. We don’t have the best WR corps in the league, but good enough, I feel, to give us a consistent passing attack, especially with some new weapons like Moeaki and Dex.
We should continue to get better field position, due to improved punt and kick returns, and a more physical and aggressive defense also contributing to better field position and less pressure to score a td on every possession. Cassell does not have to pass for 4000 yards and 30 TD’s in this offense. He just needs to be respected by opposing defenses, to avoid them focusing almost entirely on the rushing game, and daring us to pass, and move the chains with some consistency. I hope he can display improvement this weekend, and, if anything, gain confidence in himself, as I feel that is a major barrier. Its not common to have concerns when starting 2-0, but we all know that the NFL is a QB driven league, and Cassell must improve. I really am hopeful he will, and this will become a non-issue going forward.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
The only thing allaying my concerns--
and I share all of yours—is that, as far as I can see (and all I’ve read), Matt Cassel has spent his career confounding his detractors.
I remember that Pat’s fans were calling for him to be replaced by Kevin O’Connell as the backup in NE in the preseason before he replaced Brady. Where is O’Connell now? Serious question—I don’t know. Think he was released by the Jets.
I would like to jump to defend Cassel and his dismal two games, but he doesn’t need my defense. The guy will sink or swim without me—and something tells me he will do just fine.
Hey Racy
I too share your concerns about Cassel, but we have to give him a few more games to be sure. BTW, be on the lookout for posts from TEXAN_CHIEF. He goes by the name Savage on another website that we are familiar with. Just a heads up dude. How’s life in Idaho?
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Vision Problem
Maybe all Matt Cassel needs is a pair of glasses. I think one reader mentioned somethiong that makes alot of sense about him over throwing and under throwing his recievers from time to time. Look, get the guy a good vision test with a specialist and give hime some contacts and let’s go! Go Chiefs!!!
Haley has done a horrible job developing Matt Cassel. Don’t believe me? I quote Charlie Weiss "Its like he (Cassel) wasn’t being coached" (referring to 2009) . At halftime in the Browns game clearly Weiss did somehting for Cassel and he played much better the 2nd half (8-12 116 yards) but we need someone on the sideline to coach him ASAP as the game is progressing, halftime adjustments are not goign to always cut it.
Keep in mind Rich Gannon through the same point in his career (pre age 30) had a qb rating of 72.2 and was hardly a stand out. He came to KC and had a young qb coach named Mike McCarthy, remember him? Post 95 qb rating 89.3.
Gannon himself has also made referencces to how poorly Cassel has been coached and has all but offered to coach Cassel (hello Pioli, time to have an intervention with Haley regarding his staffing choices, you don’t wan’t that $63 mil and more importantly the #34 pick to go to waste after 2 years?).
Vinny Testaverde would be my 1st choice as qb coach if he would take it. Both Casssel and Tony Romo swear they would not be in the league if not for Vinny. Chris Palmer is coaching in the UFL and also has a history with Parcells and Haley.
Some other names are of course Trent Green, Steve DeBerg (although their ties to KC are from another regime). One more is Steve Kragthorpe was canned as HC of Louisville and is currently out of coachign due to his wifes health issues. He helped another ex patriot qb who had a history of holding the ball too long to a career season in their only year together, Drew Bledsoe (2002 Bills).
2 games into the season is too early to write of what Weiss can do to undo the damage Cassel endured in 2009, hopefully the Cassel we saw in the 2nd half of the Browns game is a sign of things to come.
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