Jamaal Charles' Role Makes Less Sense After 11 Carry Day Against Browns

Jones does not put it on the ground!

I don’t know why he isn’t starting the game? what benifit is there to starting Jones? I don’t want to hear to wear down the defense. If you can prove to me that a running back can wear down a defense with 5 carries then I will listen. But no NFL Defense will get tired after 5 carries. Charles normally comes in on the 3rd or 4th series so Jones does not get more than 5 or 6 carries before he comes in.

convince you of that?

Would you have said his first 2 games he would have had 11 carries? Especially in games where they have the lead?

I am fine with them splitting carries as needed… both guys are healthy and productive, and the Chiefs are winning… that’s good

What I didn’t think was as good is the playcalling in general… sounds like they were beating the draws to death… I would like to see them mix it up a bit more

Better second half but need to keep it coming all game.

and Jamaal with 11 carries??? you can’t justify it…Image how different this blog would of been after a lost

Miles to go before we sleep. We really need to see what’s working with the offense and build around it, instead of just calling short-yardage passes or drawplays and hoping we execute.

Think long term.

This is just ridiculous to me the way Haley and staffs playing less carries for JC than TJ. I will take 5.0ypc RB anyday compare to 3.3ypc

It is freaking broken!

This offense has not shown the consistancy that it can win games with out big plays from the defense or speical teams. Yes those plays are huge and I’m not discounting them, but you can’t count on them happening every week. Shit, there is a good chance they will never happen again this year.

Just because we are 2-0, doesn’t mean the offense isn’t broken.

I can see Charles gettin’ stood up on a lot of those skull-crunching runs by Jones. I still like the idea of stretching the field earlier with Charles, but I like the current plan that uses the reliable and indestructible Jones to probe the defense (and for the O-Line to get a sense of the seams they can pry open against the new opponent) and take those tough hits (and bust off a few good runs,too!).

Mix in some Jamaal, but play to set him up with a good hole for the home run. Until you have decent expectations of opening holes, though, he’s higher-risk on a lot of those tough runs Jones is making early.

It won’t take very many errors by Jones to be unseated. There is a VERY capable back behind him. But Jones’s play has been pretty flawless, to my eye. But if he drops a screen pass, blows a protection, or is noticeably slow to an obvious hole, I’ll be first in line with axe in hand.

Chiefs are just a couple more pass completions from being a balanced offense that is good enough to take what’s given and take one or two that aren’t. Getting closer and closer to putting Cassel under a microscope, with improving protections and better hands than he’s ever seen as KC QB.

No fantasy numbers, just wins. Crazy talk sir. You hath been banned

they are way different runners. There were a few carries where Jones ran into the pack and didn’t bounce out, rather he tried to push the pile. I love the fact that he’s a hammer man, but Charles can make something out of nothing. Different styles is all I’m saying. Regardless of how the coaching staff chooses to utilze them moving forward, my thought process is if they’re going to split carries, then split them evenly. 13 more carries for lesser yards? Come on…

and I like Thomas Jones, but:

1. Perhaps those drives wouldn’t have sputtered in the first place if Jamaal were carrying more.
2. It sucks barely scraping out these two wins when I believe with Jamaal running more the games would have been put away earlier.
3. Two wins still kicks ass.

i still think that the HUGE difference is TJ in pass protection… he is a reliable pass protector, if not a great pass protector… until JC stops wiffing and shying away from pass protection, you will see TJ take the majority of snaps…

…sometimes, like in the fourth quarter of this game, you give him the ball and say “end it”, which is precisely what he did. Positive yards, patient running, no turnovers, converting on 3rd and 4th down. Its not pretty or flashy, its just football. And it is EXACTLY why we got Thomas Jones.

For those of you who thought we should have given Charles all of Jones’ carries, what exactly do you see as TJ’s role? If not to possess the ball, move the chains, and win games, what are we paying him for?

I would like Charles to run for 24 yards on every hand-off as well. However, that doesn’t mean he will. And although 24 is a big number, sometimes the difference between positive 3 yards (a pretty safe bet on a hand-off to TJ) and negative 2 (JC hitting the pile and not moving it forward) is more important. If changes the play calling on 2nd and 3rd down. And it minimizes the risk of a turnover. Had they have handed it off to JC with TJ on the bench on that 4th quarter drive with a 2 point lead more than they did, I would have been confused. Fumble = nearly automatic loss when they only made a field goal. This was a well played and called offensive game in the second half. Nothing is broken. Its working exactly according to the blue print of our RB committee.

I think it’s all about the play fake, which is really starting to work. That fake pitch was awesome. Now Cassel and his receivers have to capitalize when they actually GET some time. I think it’ll come, because they’re getting some awesome misdirection, and the next rung on the ladder is the double move, which KC receivers have VERY little experience with!

Not that I’m thrilled about it, but legit points both.

just feel strongly that our chances are greater and our offense more effective with Charles running the ball. He’s a threat anytime he touches the ball and is typically put into the game when the defense is EXPECTING him to get the ball. He needs to be an element of surprise, not a “Hey defense, we’re going to run JC now” type back…

Charles will be offered a decent contract and will want an opportunity to prove that he can carry a team on his back (a la Chris Johnson). And though I am impatient with Cassel, I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that this is a developing team—not a successful bunch of veterans—so a conservative approach is justified—as long as we keep winning.

He wont be going anywhere(just my opinion of course!)

will also offer Charles the big pay day, besides us. And yes I’m sure Pioli will make him a nice offer, but again, why would he want to stay here rather than go to a franchise that shows that they believe in him. Show him by giving him the rock. All players have ego’s and a level of confidence in their abilities. Charles … though he’s saying the right things as of now … wants to be as good as he can be. If Haley/Pioli/Weiss tell him (through their actions of player acquisition and play calling) that he’s nothing more than a second fiddle on this team, why would he want to remain a Chief? He has bigger goals and dreams.

JC just has a history of putting the ball on the ground occasionally. Why risk it when eating up the clock? Jones got several carries on the last couple of drives just for that reason. Good call.

My only disagreement was JC not getting a touch until the 2nd quarter.

We are going to let him walk and keep and old veteran. I have more faith in Pioli than that!

Because losing pretty, with the RB YOU think should be playing, “better” playcallingd the QB not “sucking” while we’re losing, would surely be preferable. I can’t wait until we start losing, so you can get to see the better things you want.

which means we would have the choice.

Don’t repeat stuff just because Whitlock said it.

Albert, Flowers, Carr, McGraw, Bowe, Edwards, Dorsey, and DJ were all brought in here by Herm too, weren’t they?

The Browns played pretty well. Their special teams clobbered us. Their defense was tough and consistent. And their offense may have been good enough if not for the interception. On the other hand, we made a much better second half adjustment—just couldn’t get the ball into the end zone. Anyway, the Browns are not a sorry team in the class of Rams or Raiders. They are a lot like the Chiefs, a team trying to put things together. Let’s wait to see how we do against the supposedly good defense of San Francisco before we rush to too many negative judgments.

Charles needs to see some action early in the game, and more often on 1st and 2nd down.

I’d like to see him get the ball a little more, but even more than that I want him to get the ball in better situations. And up the gut? Really?

Watching the game, our offense looked good in the 2nd half, we just never punched it in. Jones looked good as well, and I understand him getting the carries to grind out the win.

I just want to see JC in the game sooner than 3 minutes to go in the 1st.

I think the offense would’ve been a little tougher to stop if he’d targeted the HBs a little more often.

… suggests that Jones is the reason the offense has been sputtering.

In fact, I’m starting to see a few good things happening for the offense. And the better they get, the more touches ALL of those guys are going to get.

There is still a bunch to fix on this Chiefs team to be sure. But I think they are moving in the right direction.