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2010 Chiefs vs 2001 Pats

I posted this a long time ago but want to go over it again. 

Sitting at the game (well standing most of the game) I was just so impressed with our defense improvement.  Coaching is light years ahead (Romeo adjusts so much better on the fly) and I think Pleasant has done wonders with the D Line.  The talent on our D does not wow anyone BUT neither did the 2001 Pats D.  This team plays like that Pats team on defense right now.  Smart, hard nosed football, with a bend dont break attitude. 

Now I want to make it clear I still think we are a year away from really making a push and clearly the Chargers are the most talented team (if they get smart and get McNeil and Jackson on the field) but that Pats team beat much more talented teams along the way....so if you want to see the comparison here it is.

 

Offensive Starters Complete Team Stats
QB Tom Brady* 24 1 14 264 for 413, 2,843 yards, 18 td, 12 int, & 36 rushes for 43 yards and 0 td

New England Patriots / 6th / 199th pick / 2000

RB Antowain Smith 29 4 15 287 rushes for 1,157 yards, 12 td, & 19 catches for 192 yards and 1 td

Buffalo Bills / 1st / 23rd pick / 1997

FB Marc Edwards 27 4 13 51 rushes for 141 yards, 1 td, & 25 catches for 166 yards and 2 td

San Francisco 49ers / 2nd / 55th pick / 1997

WR Troy Brown* 30 8 13 101 catches for 1,199 yards, 5 td, & 11 rushes for 91 yards and 0 td

New England Patriots / 8th / 198th pick / 1993

WR David Patten 27 4 14 51 catches for 749 yards, 4 td, & 5 rushes for 67 yards and 1 td
TE Rod Rutledge 26 3 14 5 catches for 35 yards, 0 td

New England Patriots / 2nd / 54th pick / 1998

TE Jermaine Wiggins 26 1 6 14 catches for 133 yards, 4 td
LT Matt Light 23 Rook 12

New England Patriots / 2nd / 48th pick / 2001

LG Mike Compton 31 8 16

Detroit Lions / 3rd / 68th pick / 1993

C Damien Woody 24 2 15 1 fumble recovered

New England Patriots / 1st / 17th pick / 1999

RG Joe Andruzzi 26 3 16 1 fumble recovered
RT Greg Randall 23 1 16

New England Patriots / 4th / 127th pick / 2000

  Defensive Starters
LDE Bobby Hamilton 30 5 15 7.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered
LDT Brandon Mitchell 26 4 11 1.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered

New England Patriots / 2nd / 59th pick / 1997

RDT Anthony Pleasant 33 11 16 6.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered

Cleveland Browns / 3rd / 73rd pick / 1990

RDE Richard Seymour 22 Rook 10 3.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered

New England Patriots / 1st / 6th pick / 2001

RDE Willie McGinest 30 7 5 6.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered

New England Patriots / 1st / 4th pick / 1994

LLB Mike Vrabel 26 4 12 3.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered

Pittsburgh Steelers / 3rd / 91st pick / 1997

LLB Bryan Cox 33 10 7 0.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered

Miami Dolphins / 5th / 113th pick / 1991

MLB Tedy Bruschi 28 5 9 2.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered

New England Patriots / 3rd / 86th pick / 1996

MLB Ted Johnson 29 6 5 0.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered

New England Patriots / 2nd / 57th pick / 1995

RLB Roman Phifer 33 10 16 2.0 sacks, 1 interception, 2 fumbles recovered

Los Angeles Rams / 2nd / 31st pick / 1991

LCB Ty Law* 27 6 16 1.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered

New England Patriots / 1st / 23rd pick / 1995

RCB Otis Smith 36 10 15 2.0 sacks, 5 interceptions, 2 fumbles recovered
SS Lawyer Milloy* 28 5 16 3.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered

New England Patriots / 2nd / 36th pick / 1996

FS Tebucky Jones 27 3 12 1.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered

New England Patriots / 1st / 22nd pick / 1998

  Special Teams Starters
K Adam Vinatieri 29 5 0 24 of 30 field goals & 41 of 42 extra points
P Ken Walter 29 4 0 49 punts for a 40.1 average, 0 blocked
PR Troy Brown* 30 8 13 29 punt returns for a 14.2 average and 2 td

New England Patriots / 8th / 198th pick / 1993

KR Kevin Faulk 25 2 1 33 kick returns for a 20.1 average and 0 td

New England Patriots / 2nd / 46th pick / 1999

Position comparison:

Offense:

QB - not as much of an advantage for the Pats as you might think (I know after one week Cassel is a goat but I know he will and can play better) because Brady was a starting his first season.  He was asked to manage games but did come on in the playoffs and his legacy began.  Again, Brady is a gamer and stud but was not amazing during THAT regular season.

RB- no comparison chiefs are much better.  Smith was solid and really underrated but if we actually give Charles his 20 carries and sprinkle in jones with 10 we should be one of the best rushing teams in the NFL  (which after running the pistol 2 years ago Haley deserves a lot of credit for that its not just charles) Kevin Faulk was very solid for the Pats but still the talent gap is there.

WR - I give the nod to the Pats.  The Chiefs have more talent (Glenn was hurt that year) but until Bowe steps up the Pats were just much more consistent and we dont have a Troy brown 100 catch do it all player.  Again not a huge difference in talent if you factor if DMC and Moeki keeps improving.

OL - Again, nod goes to the Pats right now but if you look at the talent its not amazing.  They just played well together and were very well coached (recurring theme).  I would say the biggest upgrade is in the middle i am still very very dissapointed in our middle pass blocking.  Imagine adding one of the top 2 centers (O'Dowd or Wisnewski) would do for our line next year with a developing Asamoah and this could be a strength.

Defense:

D Line - I think the major difference is experience.  McGinest was still a force and Pleasant and Hamilton were very solid.  Seymour was coming along and they just had more depth (which we should feel some pain from that this weekend with injuries) I think our D Line made huge strides so far but we still have to continue and Tyson Jackson needs to keep improving.  Dorsey is a stud and a force for a long long time. 

LB - Until DJ played like a Pro Bowler I would say this is a huge gap.  Right now I like our LBers a lot.  If you factor in Studabaker I think we are closer to finding a solid 4 LBers that I thought.  I like Demario in the 3 point stance and Vrabel is still so tough and smart (anyone else see the timeout he called on 4th down right in Rivers face? that was classic) The pats played much better together than we do but it is only week 2 and again I cant say enough about Romeo's impact.

DBs - Very close actually.  Flowers reminds me of Ty Law and Otis smith had a good year that year but Carr seems to be improved this year.  Arenas made a great play on the goal line stand and that was nice to see a play by our Nickel CB.  Milloy and Berry are also similar players with Berry being more talented but not as experienced.  i was really impressed with our d backs and as young as they are they are an ascending group so this nod probably goes to the pats on experience but its close.

Special Teams - Cheifs get the nod but I think it is close since Vinateiri was so money so  many times.  But it is hard to ignore Colquit, DMC, and Arenas.

 

I found it pretty interesting to compare since we are being built by the same man.  I do not think we are on the path to the super bowl this year BUT there is a lot of things to be excited about and I can see the vision coming together.  Another successful offseason we should be ready to take over the AFC West for awhile.  The only wild card is Matt Cassel because if he does not progress we will almost have to take a qb round 1.

Thoughts?




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A good comparison

But you’re looking at the patriots from a now looking back perspective. If you look at it from the perspective of then the similarities are greater. Nobody could name a starter besides Law and Milloy on the D at that time. On O they had no perceived playmakers. They were just a consistent, steady as you go team. They just schemed their way to victories

by RamX21 on Sep 17, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I like this post.

Thanks for the time you put into it.

See how many sacks their D line had? I think we’ll lag behind in that regard.

by Lucasjr5 on Sep 18, 2010 2:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Well they ran a 4-3 in the early years over there

So it’s a given that their d-lineman will be more “productive” so to speak

by RamX21 on Sep 18, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

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