Matt Leinart Doesn't Make Sense For The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Sep 1, 2010 8:39 PM CDT
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PrintOK, I wasn't going to address the trade rumors surrounding Matt Leinart (here's info on that) but I've now received four separate emails on the topic all asking the same question: Would the Chiefs be interested in trading for Matt Leinart?
The connection, and where the question stems from, is that Chiefs head coach Todd Haley was with Leinart in Arizona. Other than that there's no real reason why this question would be coming up.
in order to avoid answering four separate emails for a question others may have, here's my answer: No, they would not be interested in Leinart.
First, let's start with salary. Leinart is entering the final two years of a six-year, $50 million deal. He's due nearly $13 million in salary and bonuses next year. That would make him among the highest paid players on the team.
Second, the Chiefs wouldn't give up compensation for a quarterback who will play second fiddle.
Third, Leinart has said he doesn't want to play second fiddle to anyone so a trade wouldn't change his unhappy situation and the Chiefs don't like unhappy players.
Fourth, Leinart's just not very good. He's clearly shown he's far from being a complete quarterback and the Chiefs have a guy whose farther along than he is.
Fifth, and probably most important, the Chiefs can't and won't disrupt Matt Cassel's confidence as the unquestioned leader of the team. Quarterbacks are unlike any other position in that coaches are willing to coddle them because so much of it is mental.
And with that, you won't be seeing Matt Leinart's name popping up around here very often, if ever again.
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nice
And with that, you won’t be seeing Matt Leinart’s name popping up around here very often, if ever again.
quick and painless, excellent.
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Send him to the Donkeys!…they seem to like collecting flash-in-the-pan QB’s
Team Berry
by MasterBlaster7 on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Does Leinart...
…even qualify has flash-in-the-pan?
He was a great college QB, but hasn’t flashed anything in the NFL.
I would be GREATLY disappointed if we went and got leinart...in fact, I would be pretty angry.
ever since I heard him give ZERO credit to Texas(and well before then) I knew he was without class
I would be happy to hear he ends up in oakland
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I will say this with confidence...
Matt Leinart was a better college player than Matt Cassel.
Matt Cassel is the better player at the NFL Level.
Sometimes, things just don’t translate to the next level.
Sorry Leinart….go home.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
That's like saying Croyle hasn't been given chances...
Leinart has been given quite a few…I mean look at tape on him, he just don’t have it at this level. imo
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Not really IMO
11 starts his rookie year and six starts the last two years. His rookie year numbers were Cassel-like.
but if he produced...
he would be the starter. 11 starts rookie year is pretty good.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Cassel vs. Croyle right now?
Yeah I agree there’s not a huge difference…..if they’re both healthy. Can’t guarantee that with Croyle so the argument can’t even start in the first place.
Yet the commentary was regarding the Cassel home front?
If a player is forced to fight on two fronts.
Happens all the time in families
Ninja Ass
Tiger has sucked at Golf recently
Cause Momma was Pissed, Not the same issue but if Momma want’s to live in New England vs KC that is an issue
Ninja Ass
if Leinart and Whisenhunt don't get along
then i personally believe that’s all on Leinart. all Whisenhunt has done is, despite having to work with the worst owner in modern day professional sports, has won their first NFC crown, gone to their first SB, and was an Urban fumble away from advancing in last year’s playoffs.
if Leinart can’t get on board there, with an elite receiving corp, he won’t succeed anywhere. The Cards should have made a run at McNabb. That team would have been ill.
Leinart was the starter in Arizona and Warner (who was literally on the scrap heap at that point) simply outplayed him.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Matt Leinart was a better college player than Matt Cassel.
HUH? Sorry bro, but that is one of the dumbest things that anyone has ever said on AP. Leinart had one of the greatest college careers ever. he’s won a Heisman, twice won NCAA QB of the year and holds almost every SC passing record. He hasn’t been much in the pros, but don’t discount what he did in college
by craig in calgary on Sep 1, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha I'm a retart
I thought you said Cassel was a better college player than Leinart.
I’ll go away now
by craig in calgary on Sep 1, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Leinart sucks
the only bench he should be sitting on is next to Jamarcus Russel and Ryan Leaf
by chiefnation on Sep 1, 2010 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Leinart did beat out Cassel at USC
but i’ll admit it….Cassel>Leinart.
To all Casshole sympathizers, that as complimentary as I can get
I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave
Incorrect...
Going into spring practices Casshole was the #1 until Leinart beat him out.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
I don't know much, but I know the Pac 10
For the first time since the spring of 2003, when Matt Leinart beat out Matt Cassel to replace the Heisman Trophy winner Carson Palmer, there is a true quarterback competition at U.S.C.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Biggest Problem
Leinarts biggest problem is the exact same as Cassel’s he can’t throw an effective deep ball to save his life. At USC he relied on check downs and short passes to get by. He would complete short passes and his playmakers were good enough to raise up his completion avg.
Really... he can't throw effective at anything this preseason...
He has completed 83 percent of his passes so far… which last time I checked was better than Cassel (not to mention against more talented teams)
Leinart also has a QB rating of 103 compared to Cassels 83.5.
I would wait and see if Leinart gets dumped and grab him up off of waivers. I think that a change of scenery will do him well… in a place that wants him.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Again look at the yardage
He has a horrendously low yard per completion stat. All Leinart has completed all preseason are little checkdowns. Hes been fine at doing that but thats pretty much it. He’s an okay backup but he will never have the arm to be a starter
by realdealhill27 on Sep 1, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Exact same thing could be said about Casshole
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
The big exception here is
he does it better than Cassel currently does…
Go Chiefs!!!!
Maybe by the numbers
But I personally think Matt looks like a much better QB than Leinart. He scares me….just looks like Tebow back there (not good)
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
Personally...
I would want to bring him in as a #2… which right off the bat says he won’t be coming. Then again I would also love to have Brian Brohm in Kansas City, but I regress… Matt Cassell would have his time to prove his worth during this season. If he doesn’t cut the mustard… then we have Leinart to lean upon next year. This means we won’t have to draft a QB in the 1st round (which I’m definitely not opposed) which would free us up to address other positions in a weak draft class.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I can see your point
I would just rather take my chances drafting a QB and developing him rather than trying Leinart if Cassel doesn’t work out.
I think Cassel proves his worth this season, maybe not mind blowing stats….but he will lead us to some wins.
I think we are all a little to greedy when it comes to a QB, I’ll take a winner before I beg for a “franchise” QB
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
I'm just use to Kansas City settling I suppose...
I also guess that no matter the situation next year… there is always the chance that we could draft a QB in the first round.
I wasn’t big on bringing Cassel in… yet have supported it. Hopefully he just hasn’t shown all of his newly collected tools, and plays much better than he has… yet I’m not holding my breathe. I do believe we will get a couple extra wins with the new weapons we have handed him. So only time will tell.
Go Chiefs!!!!
if cassel doesnt work I wouldn't want
Leinart either. if they wanted someone to lean on they shoulda drarted clausen.
JC ypc is twice as much as Leinart's yards per compleation
yea i forgot i did see his stats today that were good completion rate, but I just rememberd the highlights of his horrible throws. He has a good completion rate which was not many throws at all, and there for something like 4 yrds per completion….you can give or take a yrd….but either way he’s a BUM.
they were talking mad shhh on Leinart today on nfl live
saying he will always be a backup and a checkdown qb
But he won the Heisman Trophy...
He’s keeping his too…
Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium and when rivals think they are going to be fine on an island of Flowers, they will get hit by what feels like a Carr. Ultimately, they will never be able to eat a Berry ever again.
It would be kind of funny
to have Leinart as Cassel’s backup. Bet he wouldn’t have expected that back in college!
You know ...
Bring him in for some competition to see if Cassel can step his game up. After all, Leinart and Tom Brady and that one kid in high school are the only guys who ever beat Matt Cassel out of a starting QB spot.
by JacinB on Sep 2, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Page for Leinart straight up
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Joel, I was about to ask "what MORON would email you with an IDIOTIC question like that?"
… and I realized that SOME of them just might be APers and that wouldn’t look very good for us at all
no Leinart please, and thank you
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Thank you Joel
This was about as perfectly played as it could be. Nice one.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
And Sixth....
We already have a Matt Leinart.
"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something."
~ last words of Francisco ("Pancho") Villa ~
by TheK-man on Sep 1, 2010 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Leinart needs to go ball with his boy Pete in the Emerald City
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
That actually would be a good fit
I’m pretty sure Charlie Whitehurst isn’t the answer.
by craig in calgary on Sep 1, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 on Whitehurst
He looked not unlike poop the other night… of course the 2nd team Vikes D was shredding Seattle’s O-line. Minnesoter has some good depth on their D-line.
If Leinart were willing to back up Hasselhoffbeck for a year, that would seem to be a decent fit. Maybe Pete can help him find his mojo.
by Ochophosphate on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
really?
I don’t know. I always thought he looked more like James Caviezel in The Passion of The Christ:
But hey, my vision’s been getting worse these days.
the Chiefs can't and won't disrupt Matt Cassel's confidence
x1billion
the chiefs have shown that they would rather carry just 1 QB on the roster than do anything to even remotely threaten Cassel starting job.
Croyle is perfect … no matter what he does, he’s made of glass so it doesn’t count.
after that they have been doing nothing but running scrubs in and out of the 3rd/4th QB slots
is it Pioli/Haley or is Cassel’s confidence that fragile?
Ya Know
If Cassel can dig out from under the crap that has been thrown in his direction this last year and a half. He will be a better man for it. Whether that pans out as a NFL QB is a question to be determined. The skin on a NFL QB has to be blast-furnace worthy IMO.
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Sep 1, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
those who can temper it come out strong as steel
there was once a QB who posted these numbers:
a 2-9 record when he started, a 57.6% cmp, 2108 yards, 11 tds and 15 interceptions. now, this was his third year in the league, second year he began the season as the starting qb. he was benched for a few games and his piss poor play caused his team to draft a new QB in the first round.
today, Drew Brees is considered to be one of the top three elite QBs in the NFL, but his third year, people were ready to run him out of San Diego, many said he couldn’t get it done at all, he was too small, blah, blah, blah.
just a little perspective.
by bansky on Sep 1, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen
Matt Leinart is the next guy on the list of highly regard College quarterbacks that have been personally worked with and evaluated by the Chiefs coaching staff. The Chiefs have already passed on the first two and I won’t be surprised if they pass again.
at this point even as a QB, taking away off the field/leadership/maturity issues, I think Leinart is worse than Kevin Oconnell is at this point.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Trade Palko for Leinert straight up.
Haley can get on the horn and pull some strings with his old team, right?
We really could use an upgrade at the #3 QB spot.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 2, 2010 8:29 AM CDT reply actions
I don't want to pay $13 million for a 3rd string QB
can you imagine how much people would bitch if we paid him that!! Most can’t stand what we pay Cassel, let alone a slow delivery, left handed, whiny bitch, third string QB!
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
It was mostly a joke...
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 2, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I kinda figured that
but wanted to make sure…..
You and I usually have the same feelings toward this team (stagsdp, and Tomahawk as well)!
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
So...
…just to be clear and so I understand where people are coming from…
The Chiefs shouldn’t consider Leinart because:
1) It would affect the confidence of a QB that was part of a 4 win team last year.
2) Folks feel better with having Cassell-Croyle-Palko instead of Cassell-Croyle-Leinart
3) It’s a $$$ issue as well even though the Chiefs still have plenty of $$$ to use and it’s not coming out of our pockets.
4) We still don’t want Leinart in our system even though Haley has seen/worked with Leinart and if he decides it’s in the best interest of the team, some are still against the acquisition.
BTW, here are his stats during the preseason (obviously, they are better than regular seasons of the past, so attribute it to what you’d like…either development or it just being pre-season and not meaning much)
Matt Leinart 19/23 161 yds 1 TD 0 Ints QB Rating: 110.3;
Just making the points….not sayin’ either way
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
But can you say that you would really want hime on our team?
I have never thought the guy looked like a legit QB. I thought he had a wierd throwing motion in college (ala Tebow) and he seems slow to me in the NFL. I have never seen the guy play and said “I wish he was my QB.”
Plus I don’t think his public statements as of late fit what the “the right 53” would be saying to reporters.
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
It doesn't matter what I think
….Haley’s worked with him. If he & Pioli want him I’m not going to complain.
I thought N.E. was nuts to get Randy Moss after his Minn. & Oakland fiasco’s. How did that work out? His numbers in N.E. as well as his attitude changed. Just sayin’.
I’m not going to be against any acquisitions about players that the staff is familiar with.
Example: We could’ve drafted Clausen. Weis was his coach in N.D. and we passed him up. Tells me Weis really didn’t push hard for him.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Very good points
I agree on all accounts. I personally don’t want him, but I agree that if they staff is familiar and decides to make a move, they know better than I do.
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
It's just been a weird offseason and preseason so far
…it’s so hard to really evauate the acquisitions and play & I keep thinking about the 4 wins last year and trying to determine how much we’ve improved.
It’s easier IMHO when you have 9+ wins the previous year since I think there are more tweaks to try to get a few more wins. Winning only 4 games it seems like an overhaul….lol.
We’ll see. I hate to make everything depend on 1 game, but the MNF game AT HOME against SD will be a good precursor. I jsut want it to be close. If it’s close than anything can happen this year. If it’s a blow out by SD (with their holdouts this year)…I’ll be worried.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
Agreed
I will be there screaming my head off and trying to stand up on crutches.
I can’t wait for MNF and I hope Arrowhead will be back to its old loud & crazy self!
"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel
This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!
I mostly agree
that if Haley wants him, then the Chiefs should consider it.
BUT, I find it interesting that with Haley’s experience with Leinart, so far the Chiefs have shown NO interest in acquiring him. I think this speaks to what Haley thinks about Leinart.
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