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Kansas City Chiefs QB Matt Cassel Has To Start Going Deep

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In 2009, Kansas City Chiefs QB Matt Cassel completed 55% of his passes. It was a major drop from his 2008 season with the New England Patriots when he completed 63.4% of his passes. Chiefs coach Todd Haley said at one point this offseason that anytime you're hitting over 65% of your passes, you're probably doing something right.

Well, Cassel has started completing more of his passes in the 2010 preseason. He's completed 75%, 73.7% and 60.9% of his passes in limited action thus far in the preseason. Those are very good numbers.

The problem? He hasn't gone deep.

Star-divide

Here are his passing numbers with the yards per attempt in parentheses.

  • 6/8 - 25 yards (3.1)
  • 14/19 - 125 yards (6.6)
  • 14/23 - 85 yards (3.7)

"I think in every offense you want to have the ability to make big plays," Cassel said Tuesday afternoon. "Also, when you get those big chunk plays it makes it a lot easier to not go for second and third down each and every time. You want to have the ability to (make big plays) and there have been a few times where we have kind of missed opportunities throughout the preseason to have that happen."

It seems as if the Chiefs haven't even tried to go deep. I would say that's by design (since its preseason) but that was the case last year as well. Most of their top passing plays this preseason have been on run and catches.

"I think when you look at the preseason itself we haven’t really gone into a game in which we game planned and broken down all the film and gone into it," Cassel said, perhaps giving a reason the Chiefs haven't opened up the offense.

I don't think this is a game planning thing. It seems that it's similar to last year when the Chiefs were unable to stretch the field the majority of the time.

We'll see if things change in 2010 because that's something the Chiefs will have to do if the offense will become any sort of a threat.

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I think it will come

whether Cassel can hit the man is still up for debate, but with our offense setup the way it is now, its only going to be a matter of time before we start beating some teams who are cheating in the get to JC,TJ, and Dex. We are going to set up the deep ball so hopefully someone fast like Horne is out there to stretch the defenders on plays when JC or TJ are running, then when they cheat in Horne, Bowe or Chambers are already down the field.
Yes Horne is someone I fully expect to make this team and I hope he can give us similar results to Copper last year, who opened the game against Denver with a big reception.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I am guessing th opportunity to go deep will present

itself often this year. Bowe, McCluster, Chambers and perhaps even Jamaal Charles could be used to run a deep route to keep the defense off guard.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Sep 1, 2010 7:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Chambers is really the only guy on that list

Who I can see doing that consistently. You can’t realistically depend on your running backs to go deep frequently.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 1, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

if Horne makes the roster

he could potentially be a deep threat.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

In 2011....

Don’t see him getting all that involved this year. If he covers some kicks and learns to run routes I’ll be happy.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

same here

but he could maybe make a play or two. It will be interesting to see if Weis can work him in a package or two.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mmmm idk

A race between him and Dex would be pretty interesting……

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Sep 1, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dex might get him off of the line, but Charles will outrun pretty much anyone after about 20yds

remember, Charles was a 100m sprinter…

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bowe is faster than Dex.

I hope GenericBrand isn’t here to argue with me.

by craig in calgary on Sep 1, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see you...

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Sep 1, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

GL, I have no doubt the OPPORTUNITIES will be there, but I question Cassel's ability to effectively deliver the ball in those situations

going to the left and going deep seem to be his main throwing issues … recognizing 3rd and 4th checkdowns, and options on “broken plays” is his other obstacle

the good news is he’s touch as nails … maybe we should call him Timex

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by upamtn on Sep 1, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had a Timex watch when I was teenager

which rattled when you shook it, but still ran. Sooooooo………let’s don’t call him Timex.

"The Hammer"

by G.L. on Sep 1, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, this offense is boring and frustrating when they dont even attempt to throw the ball deep, they need to open the offense up a little more this season and take some chances down field, though they dont have a speedy wide out or tony g down the middle

by SouthC44 on Sep 1, 2010 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Matt will go deep when...

he gains a little more confidence in his OLine. I think the coaching staff needs to see that the OLine can protect him for 4 plus seconds so receivers can get into a deep route as well. I think the OLine will prove themselves and we will start to see some passes down the field.

by OnlyKCFanNVA on Sep 1, 2010 7:44 AM CDT reply actions  

good point

he has to have longer than the traditional .7 seconds he is getting in the pocket to throw it deep. What sucks about that though is ive noticed Cassel, the second any pressure appears he starts to scramble, and let me tell you, he shouldn’t be scrambling.

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by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

A little pocket happy...

I have noticed the same thing about Matt but I think it still goes back to gaining complete confidence in the people protecting him. He was hit a lot last year and until the guys upfront can prove that he doesn’t have to be nervous in the pocket, I believe we will see him get rid of the ball quickly thus short routes. I believe this also has to do with another “knock” on Cassel. It is often said that he only reads half the field when he drops back. I have noticed this as well and it’s because he doesn’t believe he has the time in the pocket to go through all of his progressions. Again, I believe this line will be much improved in pass protection this year and we will see all these things slowly fix themselves.

by OnlyKCFanNVA on Sep 1, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

and

like someone on here mentioned before what if the line doesn’t really like Cassel? I mean everytime he is hit no one is there helping him up. I doubt they are trying to sabotage him, but maybe they just dont like the guy personally. Whatever the problem is, I would hope Weis gets it figured out and Cassel will have some more time in the pocket this year.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

if that's the case

Cassel needs to slap them around…he’s the leader so even if they don’t like him they must respect him and listen to him

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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 1, 2010 8:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

agreed

if not Weis needs to run a few of them over in his scooter!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Charlie "Rascal" Weis.......

I like the sound of it.

"What we need is......more cowbell." - C. Walken

by ChiefMedic on Sep 1, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pocket happy or over coached?

I’m sure Matt has been given a directive—- dump the ball short or throw an incomplete pass if you feel pressure as a sack costs yards and frequent fumbles.

by dubld on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

great point...

Amazing what over-coaching can do. It’s all about fear.

by 12t on Sep 1, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

.7 seconds, huh?

that flea flicker they ran last week was blocked for way more time than that, but idiot cassel still managed to screw it up.

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by chief Stevie_k on Sep 1, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

How did he screw it up?

He wanted to go deep to Chambers but he was triple covered, so he tried to go to Bowe and the defender jumped up and knocked it down

by badassz1987 on Sep 1, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

and, according to Bewsaf

the defender was able to get there, because Albert tried and failed to cut him down

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

that about sums it all up

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

I’m pretty sure my people are responsible for the last one.
Unfortunately, that might be the worst one on the list.

by craig in calgary on Sep 1, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blame Canada!

...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.

by Sudden on Sep 1, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what she said?

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by dklogue1 on Sep 1, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I smiled despite myself.

:(

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

That flea flicker made me sick...

All you have to do is get the ball up and over the lines head and he throws it right into a linebacker. Bushleague bullshit.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 8:08 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

"Bush League"

I think that may be a little out of context, LOL!

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Sep 1, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Don't Think That Word Means What You Think It Means

Inconceivable! I believe you are looking for Rec league or perhaps Sandlot bullshit?

by Ryan in Nixa on Sep 1, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bush League

Its actually referring to the minor leagues. I believe HIV’s meaning of bush league is dead on.

by Chiefphish on Sep 1, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

Bush League typically means “unprofessional,” but usually used to describe something borderline cheating. Not bad play.

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Justin's Definition Is Correct

“Bush league” is meant to describe unprofessional/borderline cheating play…like Alex Rodriguez yelling at a player to get him to drop the ball, or slapping the ball from a first baseman’s glove.

A blown flea flicker is simply bad execution or a badly drawn play.

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by UCrawford on Sep 1, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Disagree

Bush league = amateur hour

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well if that's what you think it means

then your comment is fine.

Wasn’t trying to be a dick, just wanted to make sure I understood your comment.

I think Bush league means what is described above….but to each his own.

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Sep 1, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh

Bush League is an old baseball term meaning as H2H said Amateur Hour

Chiefs Might

by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 1, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've never used it in that sense

I may have to google it. I’ve always used it as a tearm meanining cheating/etc.

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Sep 1, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A slang term used to describe play that is of minor league or unprofessional quality. The “bushes” or the “sticks” are small towns where minor league teams may operate, the latter term also used in the acting profession, famously in the Variety headline of July 17, 1935, “Sticks nix hix pix”, meaning small towns reject motion pictures about small towns.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Sep 1, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats fine and dandy

just never used it in that way. I’ve always used it as cheating/shitty sportsmanship.

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Sep 1, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

bad execution= cassel @ qb

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by chief Stevie_k on Sep 1, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

come on man

he’s not a total failure

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Sep 1, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

uh huh....
Also see Bushleague. Adj. 1) Below good standards, not good or incorrect. Pitiful, poor, terrible, awful, bad, sucky,

by bonesjackson on Sep 1, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its funny that I have never used it that way

I’ve always used it more in reference to cheating or playin’ like a bitch.

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Sep 2, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

until they score us a touchdown!

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by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guaranteed touchdown if you get the pass off

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

In general?

Or on that specific Chiefs play against the Eagles?

I really hope your not saying on that specific play, b/c then your Cassel hating is just becoming almost desperate.

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by FalconMF27 on Sep 1, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

As much as this regime

seems to value secrecy, I feel like the playbook we’ve seen so far only scratches the surface of what Weis has up his sleeve. I get the feeling sometimes that the coaches want everyone to believe the deep ball isn’t a big part of our playbook.

I bet we see some play-action passes deep STARTING with the Monday Night game and afterwards.

I don’t necessarily think it’s Cassel’s strength, but it is important to call the long pass every now and then to spread the defense a little while we work em underneath. I’m confident Weis knows this, but chooses not to play that card for now…

I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!

by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 1, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Give him more than 2 sec. in the pocket

So he can take a proper drop, and yes, throw a deep ball. Until our blocking gets better, it’s simply a big gamble that could lead to an interception or sack.

"Speed...(long pause)....Kills." -- Lenny Dawson (on JC)

by jk86 on Sep 1, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Sarcasm font?

I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!

by Hail2DaChiefs on Sep 1, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

for the first sentence, yeah

Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium and when rivals think they are going to be fine on an island of Flowers, they will get hit by what feels like a Carr. Ultimately, they will never be able to eat a Berry ever again.

by worc on Sep 1, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

False Dilemma fallacy right there HIV...it's not the fault of either Cassel or everyone else

It’s a combination of Cassel struggling, the line not giving him adequate time, the WR’s dropping balls, and a inconsistent rushing attack.

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by PVChiefsfan on Sep 1, 2010 8:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Only the most fantastic of the homers are claiming that.

I’m supportive of Cassel, but at the same time I’m fair in my criticism of him. He had issues against PHI, I won’t argue that.

He’s here for this year. Be fair and give him this one year to prove/redeem himself. If he can’t do it, he should and probably will be replaced.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

For what it's worth

Philly’s D is pretty stout. Most here were singing Cassel’s praises after the previous game.

I think he’ll have a significantly better year than he did last season, maybe 3500 yards & a 2:1 TD to INT ratio. As long as he shows some improvement this team should look a lot better overall, considering the schedule.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 1, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Replaced by who, though?

Brodie? Palko? Another teams back-up, again?

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Sep 1, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Draft pick?

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by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

And we're kind of jumping the gun...

We’ll cross that bridge IF and when we come to it.

No need to worry about it just yet.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

The good thing about it.....

is if Cassel isn’t the future, if we do decide to draft a QB, hopefully the team goes after a top-tier QB in the 1st round. With our last potentially successful draft, Branden Albert, Andy Studebaker, and Brandon Flowers’ continued development, and maintaining the coaching staff, a QB may be the only player that would make sense for a high draft pick. We will probably need to target a NT and ILB, possibly a WR and a RT, but those are positions that we can find in the later rounds.

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by FalconMF27 on Sep 1, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

A Pats fan could have made that agrument in 2008
That team of ours was stacked top to bottom last season. Inexcusable to win less than 14 games with the 2009 roster, imo

That team of ours was stacked top to bottom last season. Inexcusable to win less than 14 games with the 2008 roster, and one of the easiest schedules in the history of football imo

by bonesjackson on Sep 1, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

there you go H2E

your starting to come around!

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by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have actually read someone on this site

Claim that Manning (older one) couldn’t have done any better last year than #7.

by bonesjackson on Sep 1, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

MNF, first play of the Chiefs' possession...

40+ yard pass.

SD will be thinking: “Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit… Charles, Jones AND McCluster in the back field”… and they bring 9 guys into the box and Bowe streaks down the sideline in single man coverage.

Now, whether or not Cassel actually gets the ball to him remains to be seen… but you have to know it’s coming.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't remember exactly how deep it was...

…but the very first play of the Chiefs possession in that final game @ Denver last year – Cassel to Copper; took them from their own 10 or 20 to somewhere around mid-field – was nice. Very next play was another fairly deep pass to Leonard Pope, IIRC.

Like to see more stuff like that.

by jbj8609 on Sep 1, 2010 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

It was a 50 yard pass play

I actually think Cassel did a decent job with the deep throws last year. From what I remember most of his longer passes were on the money, though he had a tendency to hang the ball up for too long.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 1, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It think it has more to do with our WR's being use to practicing against our CB's who play off the ball.

IMO our WR’s are so use to coming off the ball free at practice that when they get bumped it throws the whole route off.

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

50 yards

Cassel long on the year was 51 I think to Chambers

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by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

He didn’t throw the deep ball much but that one at least shows he’s capable of it. I don’t understand the “noodle arm” comments. If you watch the replay, that pass went 40 yards in the air.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Sep 1, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe to please everyone

Pioli should just snag up JaMarcus so everyone can see the deep ball…..

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by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

No shit

The deep ball is not the main concern here. There are tons of jackasses that can throw a football pretty far. Hell, I bet some of us here can throw it pretty far. Does that make any of us a good QB? Hell no.

If people really want to critisize him maybe we should talk about throwing speed, pocket prescence, and holding on to the ball too long.

There are tons of other factors like leadership, decision making, accuracy, ball protection, calm under pressure, scrambling, resistance to injury, etc. that make up a good QB. I can’t understand all the emphasis on the deep ball.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Sep 1, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only a deep ball

but an accurate deep ball opens up a lot of doors for an offense, from both an ability and a threat standpoint.

Not all, but MOST greats had/have big arms. Marino, Favre, Brady, Elway, Manning..

Cassel’s is.. meh.

But you’re right, his pocket presence, decision making, etc. are much bigger problems.

by bamachief5558 on Sep 1, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defenses in the pre-season are playing pass prevent against Cassel with 8 in the box

There are no excuses. If Brodie could stay on the field for more than 5 minutes without something falling off, it might be time to start talking about putting him out there.

I love Cassel’s attitude, but it takes more than attitude to play QB. It takes the ability to throw a 15 yard out. I don’t think I’ve seen one of those since he got here. The only long throws we’ve seen from Matt are on busted plays, and he’s overthrown/underthrown more of those WR’s than he’s hit.

Cassel better Mizzou up and show something, or we’ll be talking about Jake Locker or one of his peers come draft day next year.

Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.

by mushin on Sep 1, 2010 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mizzou

starting RB in jail for reported rape incident.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

“Snatchin yo people up”. Ive seen the original but no that

Squirtle. 'Nuff said.

by SuperTurtle on Sep 1, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Team Captain none the less. Must have been kickin it with Bad Touch Ben

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Easy haters

It doesn’t become you to throw such unsubstantiated conjecture around

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by FalconMF27 on Sep 1, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

unsubstantiated conjecture is the hallmark of the internet

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 1, 2010 9:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

unsubstantiated conjecture is the hallmark of the internet

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 1, 2010 9:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

True

But we should let TMZ do that. I would hope that my fellow Chiefs fans weren’t that scumbaggish, but we’ll see

If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott

by FalconMF27 on Sep 1, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah because the true scumbag is the one who calls out the rapist...

not the dude pinning a chick down. Typical lowbrow Mizzou

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Case in point

“pinning a chick down” is definitely NOT the charge against the Mizzou player, but hey, make up whatever you want, if you spread enough false statements, maybe the Enquirier will give you a job as a reporter

If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott

by FalconMF27 on Sep 1, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Innocent until proven guilty in this country

And no, I’m not a Mizzou fan. Not saying it’s a false accusation, but it wouldn’t be the first time.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Sep 1, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not in the court of public opinion...

Ask OJ

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the whole scheme of things there's only handful of "bad guys" in the world.

Some of them are criminals, and some of them work in public service.

I’m no Mizzou fan – let alone interested in college sports outside of the NFL Draft – but in this case, as in ANY case, the criminal could be the defendant, OR the criminal could be an overzealous Prosecuting Attorney hellbent on racking up numbers.

Penn & Teller did a Bullshit! episode (NSFW) just this season on criminal justice. It’s worth watching.

Like I said, most people in the world a decent people, but malice comes from both sides.

by jbj8609 on Sep 1, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

When we say "Show Me" we mean it.

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

no one called you a scumbag

Let’s withdraw the straw army

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 1, 2010 9:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Echo

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope it wouldn't

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Rock Chalk, Baby!

I'm Your Huckleberry.

by Carl C on Sep 1, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

he CAN throw the deep ball

In 08 the first play he’s in the game vs KC… 51yds to Moss in stride.

Last year he hit charles, chambers and even copper deep.

It’s just a matter of opening the playbook and executing it. We’ll see it iin the regular season, I think

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2010 9:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Despite the common thoughts...

of Cassel not being able to throw the deep ball, it is still going to come down to if we have a receiver that can get deep and get open. When Chris Chambers is your most proven deep threat, it wouldn’t give me much confidence as a QB to throw a ball deep either.

If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott

by FalconMF27 on Sep 1, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

rec'd

do you know if these were under center or out of the shotgun?

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Sep 1, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

OMG

Their all open, WTF is his malfunction?

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

It probably had more to do with what the coaches were telling him to do rather than what he wanted to do...

I don’t think they were looking to eat up a bunch of yardage against PHI…

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

and I’d like to add that a lot of those guys aren’t as open as you’d think.

by bamachief5558 on Sep 1, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Are you kidding me? In the top picture he’s throwing the ball when the picture in taken, so he could have passed it to anyone there. In the bottom picture which he’s throwing it again when the picture is taken, your right about not know who’s open because guys are just off the picture, and my bet is it a called play to throw to the RB.

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 3, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

True...

but in the bottom pic, it looks like the line was doing a pretty good job containing those fat bastidges..

2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...

by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 1, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

In those pictures he's at least had the ball for 3 seconds, and the o-line is still intact.

You can’t blame pressure for him throwing it to the backs in those pic’s.

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 3, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're not all open

in the first pic, the three guys on the other side of the 20 are covered by 4 defenders

In the second pic, you can only see 7 Eagles players, but I think I can see the shadows of the other 4 at the right edge of the image…

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 1, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah negatory

First pic at least 3 are open since he is in the process of throwing the ball, and really he could have hit anyone in the first pic, but you’re right about the second one, it’s to hard to tell where their at, plus IMO it’s a called play to the back.

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 3, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Chiefs haven't attempted a single deep pass. Why?

It’s not that they don’t have WRs that can get open, and it’s not that Cassel can’t throw the ball to them. He’s a freaking NFL QB… he can make the throws.

Maybe it had more to do with seeing what McCluster could do? Maybe it had more to do with trying to develop a clock control offense? Maybe they don’t want SD to see how we’re going to attempt the deep pass, and want to limit showing off DMC’s ability to shake single man coverage?

P R E S E A S O N… I wouldn’t read too much into trying to evaluate Cassel’s ability/inability to get the ball out deep.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm starting too think a trip to the eye doctor is in need :P

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why's that?

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

designed play

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Sep 1, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you know that wasn't the play called?

If the play calls for a swing pass to the RB, the QB doesn’t have time to look down field first to see if something better is available. That’s a bang-bang timing play.

by Tarkus on Sep 1, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actuallly it was a joke, damn.

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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, ok...

Wasn’t sure what you’re getting at… haha.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Sep 1, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Looking at the 2nd pic, he has zero pressure on him, and I can almost GUARANTEE you that the coaches have been working hard on him getting the ball out of his hands quicker, so he throws to McCluster on a quick flair out with no coverage within 5 yards of him. It is a good decision when getting the ball out of his hands the fastest.

If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott

by FalconMF27 on Sep 1, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has had zero pressure most of the preseason

He makes the line look worse when all he has to do is step up and throw the football and takes off running like Micheal fricking Vick except he isn’t a very good runner and ends up on his a$$

by bonesjackson on Sep 1, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our o-line is rarely going to give much time so he needs to work on his awareness in the pocket and learn to step up inside the pocket when necessary to stay upright and complete a pass downfield.

by ace328 on Sep 1, 2010 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

REC

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 1, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup...

perfect, tight spiral and right on the money…

2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...

by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 1, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

REC!

Thank you for posting this!!!

Cassel can throw deep…he’s just not extremely good at it.

We will be fine!

"I’d go to battle with him every day of the week." Todd Haley on Matt Cassel

This statement is why I am on the Cassel train, drinkin the Kool-Aid!

by KC4Life on Sep 1, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

REC Again

Jesus, can we put the noodle arm thing to rest? He’s not terribly accurate deep, but he can work on that. And in the first half of the season he barely had any pass protection or support from the running game.

Having the opportunity to be able to throw the deep ball is just as important has having the ability.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Sep 1, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

RECtum...

Well said, Scoot, well said…

Having the opportunity to be able to throw the deep ball is just as important has having the ability

2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...

by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 1, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec

I see now what all the Cassel haters are saying is true damn he cant throw a deep ball can he. All the haters act like every other qb in the league throws the deep ball like 40 times a game, when most throws are short and the recievers create yards after the catch and they usually only throw deep a few times a game

by banshee_01 on Sep 1, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It appears that we are setting up the deep ball with our run and dump offense

Much like the West Coast. By emphasizing the short game, suckering the safeties and ZAP goes the deep ball for a TD. With the skill set now operating in this offense it’s what I’d do until they play it different then attack them different.

by dubld on Sep 1, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

KC would love to be able to take shots down field--

…the problem is the O-line isn’t good enough. They can’t even send the TE out on a pattern 75 % of the time on three step drop passes.

by FrankPitts on Sep 1, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Are the coaches even asking for the deep ball?

Aaron Rogers and Rivers constantly throw the deep ball, everyone else, even Peyton, Brees and Brady dink and dunk most of the time. Deep ball is “dead” nowadays. This ain’t Madden. If the defenses didn’t think Cassel could complete deep balls why haven’t most of the defenses just lined up 8-9 in the box everytime? He threw the deep ball a good amount of time in NE(Randy moss obviously), maybe they’re not asking for that here or don’t have that deep “threat” to try it alot.

by KCinIL on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

It is the preseason

I have 2 school of thoughts here…

A. They know he can throw the deep ball and are 100% confident and have an offensive package that supports deep routes etc. With no teams seeing this in the preseason they cannot game plan for it and it will be unleashed week 1.

or….

B. Cassell can’t throw the ball pass 5 yards and they don’t want people to know…

I don’t think its fair to make major judgments in the preseason because the coaching staff is working on different packages. Notice we have not seen McCluster and Charles in the wildcat either… Just a thought, first play on Monday night against the Chargers, 80 fade to Bowe!!

by dayner14 on Sep 1, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Cassell can’t throw the ball pass 5 yards and they don’t want people to know…

Please see RNGB’s post above.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Sep 1, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

YAC

it has nothing to do with yards after the catch, receivers are not running deep patterns ie fly’s and posts. I cannot say from watching all 3 preseason games I have seen a 25 yard + completion. The chiefs are going to rock with Yards after the Catch but that isn’t stretching the field.

by dayner14 on Sep 1, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said above

He’s absolutely capable of it. 40 yard pass in the air on the first play from the Denver game last year. I agree that we haven’t seen it in the preseason, but I think it’s mainly them trying to keep the playbook under wraps.

But yes, I think this team will thrive on YAC rather than the deep pass, which is perfectly doable considering the abilities of Bowe, Charles, McCluster and others.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Sep 1, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we're saying Cassel doesn't have a good arm and doesn't throw deep...

Who is your prime example of a team that throws it all over the place?

I would almost guarantee you they’re going to have an OL that at least allows the QB room to step into the throw.

If we can provide Cassel with enough time to make some reads and step into a throw, then we may see him go for some bigger chunks of yardage.

I know, I don’t like making excuses for a guy any more than you do, but I’m good with 1 more year to see if he can pan out.

The guy’s been sacked 93 times in the past 2 years!!!…..that’s not even counting the other abuse he had to take on times he wasn’t sacked….. are you telling me that you, or just about any other QB wouldn’t be a little gun-shy after that!!!! get real!

I'm Your Huckleberry.

by Carl C on Sep 1, 2010 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

A Rodgers...

worse line yet he balls out of control

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rodgers is an elite QB

Nobody is suggesting that Cassel is an elite QB, only that he can succeed with help around him.

by Tarkus on Sep 1, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you even read the shit I was replying to?
Who is your prime example of a team that throws it all over the place?

I would almost guarantee you they’re going to have an OL that at least allows the QB room to step into the throw.

Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.

by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 1, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is pretty damn good.

98.5 passer rating over the past 2 years while getting sacked 84 times is pretty impressive.

I’m not so sure their line is worse than ours…or at least ours the past 2 years for sure.

It also helps having better receivers and a decent defense backing you up though.

I’m still going to reserve judgement until the course of this season has run. I haven’t seen enough from him when he actually had time in the pocket and moderately decent receivers running around him to be able to pass judgement. I went to the Cle game last year and he was putting the ball on his receivers pretty damn well but they couldn’t hold onto anything, that last play hail mary catastrophe was the only thing that really had me questioning him….

is it the 13th yet!?!?

I'm Your Huckleberry.

by Carl C on Sep 1, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rodgers is an elite QB

Nobody is suggesting that Cassel is an elite QB, only that he can succeed with help around him.

by Tarkus on Sep 1, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

You dont come here often then

Nobody is suggesting that Cassel is an elite QB, only that he can succeed with help around him.

by bonesjackson on Sep 1, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You won't complete 100% of the passes you don't throw

I think the original phrase is “you won’t make 100% of the shots you don’t take,” but you get the idea. I don’t think that he has failed enough at throwing the deep ball for us to label him as being incapable of doing it. Now whether it is him making the decision to check down, or a lack of plays calling for the deep pass we may never know. But I don’t want to be the guy sitting there saying he can’t throw the deep ball just because he hasn’t done it much up to this point.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Sep 1, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Cassell

I dont think Cassell has the ability to go deep with any regularity. His deep ball accuracy just sucks.. Lots of his medium balls have been behind recievers..

by BigRatt on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

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