Chiefs Training Camp: Defense Dominates First Scrimmage
It was good to see the Kansas City Chiefs in uniform but it wasn't much of a scrimmage. There wasn't any real hitting going on and you had variations of the depth chart lining up against each other -- First team offense against second team defense, first team defense against second team offense, etc.
As Chris mentioned, there was a new attendance record set for Spratt Stadium: 10,721. For the Wednesday night scrimmage, there were around 8,000 fans there.
It was once again hot but with a slight breeze that made it bearable.
The Chiefs had some warmup drills as well as the scrimmage. If we were awarding winners, the defense won today.
Injuries
Tony Moeaki left the game and hit the bench. Trainers were tending to his leg.
Punting drill
Dexter McCluster was taking a lot of the returns. He dropped two high, wobbly Dustin Colquitt punts in a row. On one play, Colquitt dropped it inside the five and Quinten Lawrence dove into the end zone to tap it back into play and it was caught inside the two by Maurice Leggett.
Kicking
Ryan Succop is money. He hit a 38-yarder and followed it up with a 53-yarder....easy.
I know it's just practice in good conditions but Succop is money.
Offensive line
Here's your first team: LT Branden Albert, LG Ikechuku Ndukwe, C Rudy Niswanger, RG Ryan Lilja, RT Ryan O'Callaghan.
Ndukwe is in there because Brian Waters and Darryl Harris are not participating with injuries.
Colin Brown saw some time at right tackle. It looks like (still very, very early) that's where he's going to stick.
Jon Asamoah continues on at right guard even though the Chiefs are down to their third guard on the left hand side.
Barry Richardson played both left and right tackle. Looks like he'll be the swing guy if he makes the team.
Scrimmage notes
The first play of the scrimmage Matt Cassel had Chris Chambers near the sidelines. It wasn't a perfectly thrown ball but Javier Arenas was in there on coverage to knock it away.
Derrick Johnson blew up two screens. The first one came on the second play of the game on a screen to Thomas Jones. He whipped right through the blockers to make contact (no tackling) behind the line of scrimmage. The second came when he sniffed out a screen pass to Kestahn Moore.
Cassel hit a covered Dwayne Bowe in the middle of the field for a 17-yard gain.
Brodie Croyle looked at Moeaki on three straight plays. The first came on the right hand side of the field under ten yards. Moeaki made the catch falling down. The second came with Moeaki wide open across the middle of the field. The third came on a screen pass. Tyson Jackson sniffed out the screen early.
The second team offense ran the ball on the defense pretty well. In goal line stuff, a trio of Demorrio Williams, Glenn Dorsey, Ron Edwards and Tyson Jackson created some pressure to stuff a Kestahn Moore run (after he had a 10-yard run on them).
With the ball on the two, the Chiefs gave the ball to Jackie Battle and he got in right up the gut for six points.
Cameron Sheffield is getting noticed. He had several impressive pass rushes at times throughout the day. He was kind of an afterthought for me but he's making me notice.
Tyler Palko had several near sacks while he was at quarterback. It's hard to tell what is and is not a real sack since there was no tackling but Justin Cole definitely had him on one play. The outside linebackers did a good job of creating pressure this afternoon.
Battling for a roster spot, Quinten Lawrence made a nice catch on the sidelines on a Palko pass....but he was out of bounds.
Cassel found Chambers 15 yards down field but the play was disrupted by Kendrick Lewis and the ball fell to the ground.
Bowe had another solid sideline catch. Cassel threw the ball on an out pattern near the sideline and Bowe had to go full stretch, keeping his feet on the edge of the sidelines, to make the play. I've seen several plays like that this camp.
Brandon Carr's name has been in the news recently but I caught a pair of nice plays by him including a pass breakup on a Cassel throw to Chambers.
The biggest cheer of the night came when Eric Berry picked off Croyle. It was just a bad pass, Berry made the pick and ran 15-20 yards down field before going down. This was the biggest cheer from the crowd all day.
I called Jake O'Connnell one of the bigger long shots to make the team....literally a minute later he caught a diving, 18-yard touchdown pass from Croyle.
What to take away from this
The offense didn't have a great day. Last Wednesday they were burning the defensive backs in drills but on Saturday they couldn't get much of anything going. It's like there was no rhythm because...
....The front seven was able to get pressure on the quarterbacks all day. McCluster wasn't much of a factor during the scrimmage, which was a little surprising. I figured he'd be a nice outlet for days like this when the quarterbacks didn't have much time.
The first team offense didn't score a touchdown. The second and third team did.
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Josh Looney tweeted that Succop was good from 38, 43, and 53 yards. 3 for 3. Use your good eye next time, Joel :-P
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Bob Gretz reported on CBS Rapid Reports...
That McCluster’s touches during the scrimmage may have been limited. Curious — How many snaps did he line up for?
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
He was with most of the first team stuff (about 1/3 or so I'd guess)
But he definitely wasn’t the focal point like he had been in other camp stuff.
Let me put it this way
I haven’t been to a practice yet where at least one McCluster play doesn’t stick out in my mind…except for today.
Hope that was by design
As he had just had his camp ‘breakout’ under the Wednesday night lights.
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Yup
Just making sure he wasn’t out there struggling or making mental mistakes.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
...or not getting open
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
I just heard teicher
on kctv5 and he thought the coaches were trying to limit his role in this practice….he said they didnt want to show mccluster too much…..but it hasnt seemed that way before but who knows
HEY........quit playing with your dingy
I think it's partly that
Also I think they didn’t want the hype to get out of control. He’s a rookie after all.
I totally agree
In fact, Haley got on to McCluster on the sideline saying something like “where are you today? You didn’t even show up!”
McCluster got open a few times but the QBs ignored him. I’d almost say they were instructed to keep the football out of his hands. If Haley is supposed to be big on mind games with players, then that is a perfect example. He didn’t want the scrimmage to be the Dexter McCluster show.
Joel, on Cassel...
How did you feel about his throws? Did he look comfortable? did he hold on to the ball too long? Anything of note, good or bad?
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
Really, just some more detailed info on Cassel would be greatly appreciated.
Glad you could be out there when idiots like me are stuck at work on a hot saturday.
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
Maybe I shouldn't say "Glad you could be out there"
I should say “Jealous that you could be out there…” :-)
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
He's the best of the three
Not just today but all of camp. Croyle definitely has a nice arm so I can see how people come out of camp thinking he might be better but Croyle’s too inconsistent.
Cassel looked OK. He was the best of the three. He didn’t connect on any deep balls (overthrew Chambers by about 5 yards on one deep ball).
But without McCluster going full speed it’s hard to tell how he’s really going to perform.
Argh!
The dreaded “inaccurate on deep balls” rears it’s head again. I can only hope Cassel doesn’t continue to carry that moniker through the season. We will have a couple of decent mid-to-deep targets with Chambers, Bowe, and Pope/Moeaki, Cassel has got to hit them accurately. Don’t make it harder for them to catch the ball, thus limiting drops.
I like that Cassel seems to be the most consistent, I just have to see improvement in the areas that he struggled with last season: not going through progressions, holding on to the ball too long, bad throw decisions, inaccurate past 15 yds, etc.
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
I think Cassel will be very accurate in short and medium throws...but over 40 yards, I don't think much will improve...
maybe on a few of those timing fly patterns but…really I think hes going to get the game manager label
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Seems like his long ball has been on point, for the most part. He’s hooked up on more than a few occasions with both Chambers and McCluster so far.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
hmm, good, Im a big cassel supporter...I just am not so sure he will ever really get the deep ball on point...if he does he could be great...not just good
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I was there today (fantastic!)
And I had the feeling that Cassel was still holding onto the ball too long on some plays…grr
by ahut86 on Aug 7, 2010 6:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
His deep ball doesn't need to be perfect...
As long as the WRs have an opportunity to get it. Throwing a 50 yard pass to a WR in perfect stride is a luxury that none too many NFL QBs can boast. You simply need to have WRs who can get to it and make a play. We have some guys who can do that in Bowe and McCluster. It’s much more important to be able to throw the short/intermediate stuff accurately to allow the playmakers to get the extra yardage after the catch.
Cassel seems smart and makes good plays in the clutch, he knows the offense and is a great on the field leader for the team. I’ll take those traits over being great at throwing the ball deep.
Cassel is going to be fine. QB is the least of my concerns right now.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 7, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t recall Montana ever being known as a deep threat.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Aug 8, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
You know who else was a "game manager"
I know we’re getting tired of the comparison… but Trent Green. Give Cassel a good running game to help him out and I’ll be happy with a buy that can hit receivers accurately up to 40 yards. The cool thing is that JC (and probably DMC) can turn a 10 yard reception into a 60+ yard TD
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 8, 2010 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm fine with the whole game manager label...
As long as they manage the game in the first 3 quarters and then make the big plays in the clutch at the end when it really counts. Cassel seems to have that gene.
That’s what good quality QBs do isn’t it?
That’s what good teams do isn’t it?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 8, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
He definitely showed flashes of that "it" factor.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 8, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
not exactly
He overthrew Chambers on that one pass because Carr had great coverage and just started slowing down…Chambers couldn’t get around him
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Aug 7, 2010 7:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep....
Also, a qb missing the long ball long doesn’t bother me nearly as much as missing short. The ball was thrown with mimimal risk as you pointed out . That was a……worst case scenario, incomplete pass situation. I’ll take smart decisions any day. Cassel is in it.
Was there today as well.
Cassell did look comfortable. He did hold the ball too long on one occasion before throwing it into the sidelines. The pass Bowe caught on the sideline was very nice with Bowe looking like Stretch Armstrong (everything but his toes were out of bounds), but….he had separation. Had Cassell given him room to stay in bounds the 17 yards they got would have been at least 25 and possibly a long score. On the overthrow to Chambers, I was standing on the sidelines where Chambers was on the field when the ball went over his head. I believe that ball was more accurate than it looked. Brandon Carr made a veteran play on that one. He had Chambers by half a step and was blocking his progress with his left shoulder while looking back for the ball. Carr slowed Chambers down enough he had no chance at the catch. Chambers looked to the official and “pulled the flag” out of his pocket but there was no interference. That particular play was one of the highlights of the afternoon for me as I have been hoping Carr would improve his play with his back to the ball. I guess my point on that is it was not an inaccurate pass but rather a subtly superb defense effort by Carr.
by whoadog on Aug 7, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
As if to say, if Chambers were able to keep stride, he’d have been able to run under it. Good to know. And great to hear Carr getting his damn head around.
If you caught it, how’d his technique look off the line?
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On that particular play, very good.
He got a good jam on Chambers and had him all the way.
Now that I think about it,
Cassell should have looked somewhere else.
Sounds like the D is ahead of the O at this point.
Which is a nice thing to say considering last years play.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
I ber
its going to be up and down the real test will com next week against the Falcons but even then those are really just test games anyway. i just hope both sides are prepared for Monday Night.
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 7, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I Bet
its going to be up and down all camp I should say.
by ChiefWarPaint on Aug 7, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a theory.
I wonder if the coaches don’t want Cassel to grow too dependent on Dex. From what I’ve read, he has been kind of the main offensive weapon, to this point. He’s kind of like Tony G. He was always there, if you needed to get rid of the ball. Maybe they want Cassel to focus more on his other options. Just a thought.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
Good point
I was thinking the same thing myself. Gonzo was a crutch for us. I don’t think Thigpen especially would have looked nearly as good without him. While they definitely need to utilize McCluster to the max, Cassel needs to develop a good rapport with his other targets in case Dex is covered or out for some reason.
Just added a quick note I forgot to add
Tony Moeaki left the game and the trainers appeared to be looking at his leg. Not sure what’s up.
they told mccluster to tone it down for now because
They don’t want to replace more shoes!
by chiefs8288 on Aug 7, 2010 5:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I love that movie
“Look at little Wayne’s legs, they’re shaking”
"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda
Succop is a rock star.
Got his autograph today. He was eating up the attention. Some kickers stand on the sidelines and hope the offense scores a TD so they don’t have run on and try a game winner (He Who Shall Not Be Named). Some of them hope they get their chance to be the Hero. Succop is the latter from what I saw. Our kickers are SOLID!
How we doing on mental mistakes
Were there a lot of flags thrown? QBs and WRs on the same page? Rookies lining up properly?
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Blown coverage assignments?
What about Arenas? Haven’t heard his name much. How’s he gelling with the defense?
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he made a play today
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by Da Chiefs Guy on Aug 7, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes Maybe Yes
There was A LOT of “mixing it up” today compared to what I’ve been reading but I did notice quite a few flags today (some might have been to setup a scenario tho). In my eyes I thought the rookies were spot on with their assignments and “lining up”..im no expert tho. We should really be proud of who we picked up this year. On a side note I got Berrys autograph and once again he stayed until every person, mother and child had one. On top of that he was the only athlete that stayed after practice. Very impressive to see that in person.
by ahut86 on Aug 7, 2010 6:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I heard there was an older woman collapsed during the autograph session right in front of him.
I was impressed by Berry’s focus as well. He was able to put that out of his mind and make a couple of plays during practice. The was a youngster calling his name right behind him during practice but he was focused on what was happening on the field and not behind him. The kid was obviously bothersome though because another player finally turned around and told him Berry couldn’t talk right then! Kinda funny.
This tells me two things...
That either the front 7 is legit… Or the Offensive line is back to sucking
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
no Brian Waters= a weaker line.
when Ike is playing LG, it isn’t a good thing. I’m hoping/guessing that is a lot of it. I’d like to see how good the D line does against Albert, Waters, Weigmann, Lilja and O’ Callahan.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 7, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the front seven was entirely too soft up the middle early on.
At the beginning, the second team ran the ball pretty well on them. The did stiffen up as the practice went on though.
Not much..
I got the feeling that they were worried about getting our star players injured today or “showing too much”. Not much action from big names especially in the last half of the scrimmage.
by ahut86 on Aug 7, 2010 6:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of which..
Moeaki had his leg looked at by trainers. Was he limping at all?
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Seems like
every training camp we hear the defense is better than the offense. Then when the season kicks off, its not the case.
Another player I am not hearing much about?
I was kind of optimistic that Urban may give us some needed depth at WR, but I have hardly heard his name mentioned throughout camp. I hope he isn’t another Lance Long, another Haley connection that I had pegged as the next Wes Welker. That hasn’t quite worked out yet.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
When I was at camp
I was very impressed with Urban’s ability to run routes. He didn’t miss any drops ont he drills that I seen. He seems faster than I thought he was too.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
I hope you didnt have urban pegged as anything like welker
he’s 6’3", and not even as close as fast or agile as welker. He’s more of a big target that can work for the ball with his size.
He is white though, so he’s similar in that regard.
GBR!!
Snap the fucking ball Brodie!
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 7, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I meant I had Lance Long as the next Wes Welker.
I, along with others, were making Lance Long our Wes Walker last season. I was just making the comparison, as he ended up being a disapointment, which I am hoping Urban isn’t , and the Haley connection. I guess I should have worded it better.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
no, its cool.
I hope Urban works out as that 3rd/4th option.
GBR!!
Snap the fucking ball Brodie!
by jakethesnake27 on Aug 8, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
While the defense did dominate often
the 2nd team offense (led by Croyle) put together a nice series of plays and scored a TD on the first team defense.
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yeah. How does the first team offense not score on the second team defense?!
I hope Charlie is all over them for that next week.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 7, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Good to hear that the defense won
I just hope our team don’t give cassel a hair cut like the donkeys gave teabag .
CHIEFS fan 4 life
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Aug 7, 2010 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
Joel, excellent notes/coverage, thank you
… and as always …
Go Brodie!!!
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Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Oh no, is AP turning into the Twilight fanclub?
Team Brodie!
Team Cassel!
Team ... Palko!
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
While playing hurt?
Posted Agust 5: Wallace Gilberry joined Waters in the rehab zone with his right leg wrapped
Gilberry must have been intimidated into those sacks.
Thanks for the insight, tomahawk
He was doggin it at the end though.
In the final “concentration” drill. Haley called him out for not getting all the way down into a three point stance. Gilberry pulled his helmet and shoulder pads off and walked over to some people standing close to me after practice. He doesn’t look like your typical pass rush specialist. He looks neither sleek and fast nor exceptionally large and powerful. His legs are really long and really big though and he was getting pressure (back to back sacks once). Still he doesn’t really look the part.
by whoadog on Aug 7, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah he walked over and signed an auto for me
I told him he had a hell of a practice and he told me yeah but I got to bring that back to KC
Personally, I thought the middle of the 1's was way too soft against...
the number two offense, especially early. There were several 5-7 yard runs right up the middle.
Anyone else nervous about an OL that let the 2nd team D rush them all day?
That’s my biggest concern. I know Waters was out… but still. Either Gilberry and Scheffield are a couple of under the radar pass rushers… or the OL is in trouble. Here’s to hoping Waters stays healthy this year… cause it;ll be a long season if he;s out.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 8, 2010 3:35 AM CDT reply actions
Gilberry and Sheffield are solid.
They’re not pro-bowlers yet, but I think those two are definitely better than most second string NFL pass rushers. They’ll overmatch most second string blockers. Gilberry from what he’s shown on the field in limited action, plus he’s working hard in camp, and Sheffield just from what I’ve seen in the few practices I’ve been to. I wouldn’t be surprised if either of those guys turn into very legit starting OLBs in the next couple of seasons. I’m hopeful, anyway.
The path to Victory is made of losers.
Oh, yeah...
And a 2nd team offense that ran well on our 1st team front 7… not sounding good.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 8, 2010 3:36 AM CDT reply actions
I like what they're doing with Asamoah.
Let the rookie learn one position first. After he gets that down, then start adding more to his toolbox. Training camp boo-boos are no reason to mess up a promising rookie’s learning curve.
I’m also optimistic about Brown. I like that he’s working at RT this year. I think he’ll be more comfortable there than at guard after working in the spread in college. Also, just to look at him physically, he looks like he has more upside than O’Callaghan. The guy’s huge! And he’s got a solid build, not like a lot of big guys who have one thing or another out of proportion. In other words, he doesn’t have O’Call’s t-rex liability.
The path to Victory is made of losers.
Sheffield Is Just What We Need !!
I’m not comparing Sheffield to our Hall of Fame DT, but I seen DT in Sheffield in the Senior Bowl. Sheffield will give us the passer the Chiefs lack since DT. Romeo Crennel has this defensive ready to attack, something that has been lacking the Chiefs since the late 90’s. I think this defensive of staff could be the best in the Chiefs history. We need to get back to being the loudest stadium in the league. With the Sheffield speed and the improved D-line, and the crowd noise, they could restore Arrowhead Stadium as offensive linemen worst Nightmare.
We Drafted the Wrong TE.
I believe that Colin Peek is a better TE than Moeaki. Peek was a good blocker, pass receiver and, a safety outlet for Alabama Tide. I think he could have been Matt Cassel outlet receiver, just like Dallas Clark is for Peyton Manning.
After watching practice....
I would predict that if Moeaki does not get injured, the sting of Tony G. leaving for Atlanta will ease a little by game 4 or 5. Moeaki appears to me (dare I say it?) to have better hands than Gonzales did as a rookie. Physically he is a carbon copy of Gonzales and I think he runs just as well as Tony G. did when he was new to the NFL. While he was on the field I was very, very impressed with him. He had a sliding catch on a low ball that was just outstanding for a man of his size.

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