More From Agent: Chiefs Coach Tried To 'Intimidate' Jarrad Page Into Playing Through Injury
by Joel Thorman on Aug 6, 2010 4:33 PM CDT
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PrintAs you know by now, the reps for Jarrad Page released a statement again requesting a trade from the Chiefs but this time with a little more punch.
His agent (and brother), John Page, appeared on Nick Wright's show on 610 Sports Friday afternoon to give a little more background to their side of the story.
John Page says this whole mess started last year the week of the Seattle Seahawks preseason game (Aug. 27).
"That was after the 3rd preseason game last year, the Seattle Seahawks," John Page began. "He was injured and wasn't able to play. Before the game, the coach basically approached the player in an intimidating manner, in language not fit for a sailor, and tried to humiliate the player in front of others to force him to play.
"He was in no condition to be playing. The player didn't return any argument and didn't say anything to the coach and just left the room when the coach asked him to because he wasn't able to play in that game. He actually put on his pads and tried to go out but wasn't able to do it.
"That experience was so disheartening, was so offensive and so outlandish, that he said this is not the place for me anymore."
I don't know if this is the case -- we don't have the Chiefs side of the story -- but intimidating someone into playing is flat-out wrong. Again, I'm not saying the Chiefs did because we only have one side of the story so it's not fair to assume that they did. NFL coaches are on a slippery slope when it comes to injuries. I interviewed NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith several months ago and he told me, "The health, safety and welfare of our players is non-negotiable," so we know how the players feel about injuries.
John Page also took issue with Todd Haley telling the media that week in August 2009 that Page was a healthy scratch.
"That was not true," he said. "The player was injured, known to be injured. Once again, he was not fit to play in a game. It was rather odd for the player to find out after the game that the media had been told he was scratched for other reasons, that he was a healthy scratch and that he was able to play, because he was not healthy enough to play. All you had to do was ask the player and there was no question all week that he was not healthy enough to play in that game."
For the record, Jarrad Page was asked why he didn't dress for the Seattle game and he said that Haley would have to answer that.
"Like I said," John Page continued, "it wasn't just one incident. It was something that began in the preseason and continued all year culminating in the player ending the season on IR. He was put out there to practice at times when he should have been resting. The proof is in the pudding when the guy ends up on IR it shows that he was pushed past his limits. Brandon Flowers, rightfully so, got a lot of credit last year for playing with an injured shoulder -- I think it was a torn labrum. Jarrad is a player who's shown he's a player who can play through injury. He also had two years ago had that same injury and played that entire season with that injury.
"He's shown he's able to play through things. It's not a matter of his toughness or him being a football player and being able to go out and push himself. But when a player knows when he's at his limit, it's not about pushing yourself past that limit and injuring yourself to the point you end up on IR, you want to take care of it correctly and handle it that way so that you can get the most out of your guy."
Wright asked John Page if they tried to smooth things over in the offseason. Remember, in late April, Jarrad Page wrote on his Twitter page that he was excited to play with Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Eric Berry and others in the Chiefs secondary so, at one point this offseason, there was clearly a thought that something could be worked out.
"What you want to do is try to give an opportunity for things to be smoothed out if they can be so that's what we did. We gave it time to talk and we tried to talk things out to come to an agreement and an understanding but we weren't able to do that."
The next question, after all of this, is whether the Chiefs will trade Jarrad Page, as his reps have (publicly) requested. John Page wants to know why the Chiefs aren't trading him.
"That's not clear," he said. "I think they should be asked that. They should be asked to give a full explanation because at this point we attempted to work it out. We weren't able to do that. We notified them with more than enough time [before training camp] to make that happen. For them to drag it out this far, I don't really see a good explanation for it at this point. That's basically where it stands. Why continue to drag it out when the situation is known from last year? "
I suspect we won't be hearing from the Chiefs regarding the Page situation.
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Jarrad Page looks bad by not signing his tender. His agent is doing what he can to push that bad image to the Chiefs. It’s all a part of business and really not something to get worked up about.
HOWEVER, if it does come out that the Chiefs were unreasonably pushing players to play through injury there might be a little more to this. Other than that it’s just a PR move by Page’s agent, and a good one at that. There will be plenty of casual fans that see the statement about Haley intimidating Page and will take the player’s side.
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by JComp11 on Aug 6, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
VERY DOUBTFUL that many Chief fans will be taking Page’s side here.
by dablueguy on Aug 6, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am inclined to.
Will most, no, probably not. It’s still fun to talk about the Don Pioli stuff.
And fans love that Haley sh8ts on his players. I get it.
Could this situation have been handled better by the Chiefs? How could anyone not think that?
The only reason we know that Page is ‘trying’ to get traded is because it has come to this. If the Chiefs would’ve traded him, before he was publically asking to get traded, and his value was higher, they could’ve gotten more for him, and you, me and the rest of the NFL wouldn’t have known he was traded partially because he asked to be traded.
Now the Chiefs are in pretty much a no-win situation. You’re screwed if you trade him, because then the player asked out of town, you’re screwed if you don’t, because then we get nothing out of him. Enjoy. It sucks for everyone, the team and the player.
The argument that he should just shut up sign his tender and come to practice…well that didn’t work last year for him, did it?
Cue me being unpopular. Three, two, one…
Yep.
Two years in a row, a saftey makes the Chiefs front office look like they don’t know how to play well with others. They’re trying to teach lessons to pleople who don’t care and loosing value in the process.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true. Pollard did nothing wrong. Page, OTOH has mishandled this whole thing, and is 100% to blame here.
What has he done wrong?
Quietly ask to be traded during last season?
Playing so hard with a injury to please his coach and be a good team member that he ended up on IR and risked future earnings?
Not signing a tender he is not required to sign?
Again quietly asking to be traded?
Politely requesting a trade in public?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
NJ, you're assuming that what his brother is saying is the exact truth
I don’t know if that can really be ascertained at this point.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Is there any reason not to believe him?
Looking at the history of Page (never missed a game in his career) and Haley why would you not belive there’s at least some element of truth in the above story.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You could say the same for Haley, though, right?
Has he ever been accused of trying to intimidate a player into playing?
It’s not whether there’s any reason to believe him, it’s whether there’s any evidence to support him, know what I mean?
And Waters and Vrabel sticking around seems to be pretty good evidence that we don’t have a psycho in the locker room.
I’m not saying there isn’t ANY truth. There likely is. I’m just saying that the odds of Page being a poor little victim (like his brother is trying to make him out to be) don’t seem all that great. Anytime someone tries to set themselves up as the ultimate victim and in the total right my “cynical alarm” goes off.
Also, if he was that upset last year and wanted this trade the WHOLE time, why was he tweeting about being excited to play in the Chiefs new secondary?
Something’s not adding up here, that’s all I’m saying.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 6, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahhh but what is really going to get you thinking....is....
once we have heard Scott and Todd’s version…
is there any reason not to believe THEM????
The problem is, there is no reason not to believe anybody.
It’s a he said he said, and my guess is that there was some resentment, some miscommunication, some mis-interpretations, followed by more resentments, more miscommunication and mis-interpretations, followed by acts of dual stubbornness, and in the end, most will assume that the whole truth and nothing but the truth…….
is somewhere in the middle.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
throw in a couple of document shredders, some white-out
and there you have it….no injury.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
It just seems a little hairy to me.
I mean there is one side of me that believes the Chiefs did nothing. The agent is threatening to pursue this angle which will lead to an investigation of Haley if pushed hard enough… Which would take time energy and focus from the team.
On the other end I can see Page being honest. Is it just me or this year has Haley really stressed “our player’s health is #1”, " It was hot out and they’ve worked hard but thats my job to manage the players and determine when they’ve had enough" approach. Could he be laying the foundation in the event this goes that far? Strange stuff from both sides. But completely unneeded.
Overall I think if this were true and were concerned it would be leaked they would’ve just appeased Page and traded him no harm no foul. The fact they kept him tells me they probably weren’t guilty in the extremes that the agent is speaking. A good lie always has a little truth in it. So it probably exaggerated info. The Chiefs would be wise to address this in a timely manner.
Because ...
A) Page suited up for the game, clearly intending to play.
B) He didn’t play and, when asked why, said that we’d need to ask Haley.
C) Haley said he was a “healthy scratch.”
That’s what happened at the time. There’s a pretty clear picture there that Page thought he was going to play and Haley pulled him.
Now, a year removed from the event, we’re revising history.
Now, we’re supposed to believe — because Page’s agent told us to — that Page was injured back then and didn’t really want to play and Haley tried to force him to play anyway.
How does that fit with anything that was said at the time by Page or Haley? It doesn’t.
I don’t buy it.
The Page family has completely f*cked this up. Royally.
They overplayed their hand and are just now realizing that they’ve likely screwed up Page’s entire career and are doing whatever they can to try to save his reputation in hopes that some team somewhere will take a chance on a guy who has turned himself from a promising young Safety into an incooperative, obstinate locker room cancer all because his friend got cut and he listened to too much crap advice from his brother on how to handle his contract negotiations.
by JacinB on Aug 6, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can a team trade a player....
that is not under contract? How can KC trade him if he won’t sign his tender?
They cannot. They work out the trade first, present it to the player...the player signs,
and is traded….simultaneously.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Not so fast my fried
At the beginning of this whole thing I was more in the Page camp. However, having read the comments of his agent, I’m beginning to switch.
First of all we have to take the agents comments with a grain of salt. They are going to be slanted in the favor of his client. I do marriage counseling and have learned you can NEVER draw conclusions off of one side of the story.
Do I believe Page was asked, encouraged, and pushed to play through an injury? Yes. but you can’t stop there. You have to ask why? Was he cleared by the medical staff to be able to play without causing further damage? Prior to that point, was Page viewed as dogging it in practice thus giving the perception he just didn’t want to dress for a preseason game? If he were able to play through the same injury 2 seasons ago (as the agent said, why not now?
Do I believe there have been trade offers for Page? Yes. But you can’t stop there. You have to ask what the offers were? Was it a 7th round pick? 6th round? Conditional 7th? If yes, why would the Chiefs jump on those offers? Holding on to Page right now does not hurt the Chiefs. He’s not counted against the roster, he’s not in the lockerroom being a cancer and he does not have a salary that has to be paid. If they don’t get a legitimate offer that will improve the team in the future, they can simply put him on the did not report list and make him sit for the year. Page has very little leverage.
That being said here is the leverage he has. SIGN THE TENDER!!! That will cause the Chiefs to HAVE to do something with him. They’d have to cut somebody else to keep him. Best case is they cut him 5 minutes after he signs. Worst case is they make him pass the conditioning test, work him like a dog through camp running with the 3rd and 4th team and then cut at the last cut. He doesn’t have another option. Signing the tender now does give him a deadline though.
by Alphacroon on Aug 7, 2010 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed and Rec'd
Something just doesn’t add up here in his agent (brother’s) story. If what Page is putting forth is true, why the hell hasn’t he filed a grievance with the player’s union? I would think this would be something that could be proved rather easily. Just go thru the medical records, question the doctor whether or not he was cleared to play. I sincerely doubt they would shred medical evidence, these guys have shown to have too much class for that (IMHO). Tough, yes. Hardnosed oldschool football people, yes. Shredding evidence and outright lying, doesn’t add up.
Also, Vrabel is an experienced union rep. I don’t see Pioli, Haley, and co. being able to do anything that would intimidate that guy from sticking up for the player if there was indeed something wrong.
Finally, as you also pointed out, his brother says he already had this injury before, and played through it.
i know im not
coach has a job to do – whether its putting a littel fire under there ass to force them to gout and play or not thats one thing, but deliberately singling out a player is not something a good coach does. sure, guys in the locker rooms have done it to teammates, but jarrad page isnt a household name, and doesnt deserve the pre-madonna perception he wants. in my opinion, just trade him if he wants out, and now that hes even pullin this other card that tthis happened? cmon, does hte fact his brother is his agent have anything to do with this? does this guy have any experience with being a real agent and dealing with other players? or as we all kind of know, is he just blowing one small thing out or proportion to gain soem muscle in this? cmon. we all know.
Pretty sure he means other teams fans
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by NJChieffan16 on Aug 6, 2010 4:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean you think some folks believe that this guy was pushing players unreasonably, and using language unfit for a sailor?
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 6, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Needs to teach Tamba that look
Rivers wouldn’t even get on the field
by KeyboardGato on Aug 6, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the Ted Bundy look.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
I'll bet anything that this face is the result of a nick wright question.
by Chiefs_40 on Aug 6, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The most disturbing thing about all of this to me is...
that our management team appears to be acting in bad faith and contrary to the nature of the Good Citizens fans and mgmt alike have come to demand of our team on and off the field. If, in fact, Haley has been treating Page in this manner, and if Pioli has been in the loop and allowed it to go on, then SHAME ON THEM!!
Our team will NEVER be filled with high character, good citizens if our management team is unable to muster the same qualities. Scott Pioli has said on several occasions that EVERY employee of the ball club – not just the players – are being held to the same high standard of conduct. If that is really true, it’s time for our GM to be totally transparent on this particular issue, and hold everyone’s feet to the fire. If Pioli fails to do make this transparent, then it will impossible to believe them the next time there’s a situation similar to this. Right now I have the teams back, but I’ve got Jarad’s too. The player has earned our loyalty on the field of play.
It sounds to me like Jarad has been the good soldier through all of this, has kept everything internal to the team, and done his best not to put the actions of mgmt on display for the fans to judge except now as a last resort to get some kind of movement from the team.
Either trade him or cut him loose. Right now I having visions of the last GM not to be named again.
way to buy right in before knowing the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.
somebody has been watching too much mainstream media.
Ever think that a desperate man is saying things out of desperation?
Our team will never be filled with high character players if low-character players like Page are soft and show they can cry their ways out of town.
Kudos to Pioli to not being bullied into a situation he doesn’t have to be in.
If he gets a trade offer he likes, take it. If he doesn’t, don’t do anything. The easiest thing for Page to do is just sign his tender, sit on the bench for a year, and move on.
Right now there are three possibilities:
Page signs and plays (rides bench).
Page signs and gets traded.
Page doesn’t sign and goes broke.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 6, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he should go talk to pioli and haley
try to make amends..find some common ground, and then sign his tender and work his ass off to prove himself. Sitting out won’t help his situation in any way possible. He’s just going to lose a year of his career that he can never get back. He needs to make the best out of a bad situation.
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by justinmayhugh on Aug 6, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
at this point he wouuld be 2nd on the depth chart
not exactly the ideal position for someone in their contract year.
He doesn’t want to do that. That’s why he won’t sign until they have a trade agreement in place.
But he keeps talking, so Pioli has to wait it out to get any value for him. Otherwise all the talk comes back about cutting Pollard.
Personally, I hope he doesn’t sign it either. Hope he got a real degree from UCLA
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 6, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
way to buy right in before knowing the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth.
somebody has been watching too much mainstream media.
Ever think that a desperate man is saying things out of desperation?
Our team will never be filled with high character players if low-character players like Page are soft and show they can cry their ways out of town.
Kudos to Pioli to not being bullied into a situation he doesn’t have to be in.
If he gets a trade offer he likes, take it. If he doesn’t, don’t do anything. The easiest thing for Page to do is just sign his tender, sit on the bench for a year, and move on.
Right now there are three possibilities:
Page signs and plays (rides bench).
Page signs and gets traded.
Page doesn’t sign and goes broke.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 6, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
HOWEVER
Injuries are part of the game, and so is playing hurt. I feel if you cant tough it out you need to be playing. You need your best players on the field and if your wearing a thong get off the field if you catch my drift. Basically what I am saying is Page needs to stop acting like a little girl because Chiefs are not the only team thats asks you play through minor injuries. If it was serious enough I think they would have let him sit. I think half of Page’s problem is that he didnt wanna play on a loosing team.
right, so we should either just sit on em and let him not play, or trade him to detroit...win win
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
However
The Chiefs are not the only team to ask thier players to play through injuries. This is a man’s game. I say Man up! Lots of players play injured. Your team needs you and your coach your leader is depending on you and he wussed out end of story.
He wussed out? You have no idea what the injury is. That’s a ridiculous statement.
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by JComp11 on Aug 6, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
JComp11
You have no Idea who I am or what kind of injuries I have endured, what I have played through, or anything. So unless your opinion is related to this article, shut up.
Wow
Really? JComp has a good point. This has nothing to do with your injuries or what you have played through. All JComp is saying is that you can’t say the guy wussed out when you have no idea what the injury is. There’s no need for telling someone to shut up.
RE: Wow
Oh dude I’m sorry I didn’t see the whole sentence. I thought he said I didn’t know what an injury was. Not that I didn’t know what the injury was. Once again my apologies. But I do not take back the statement made about page. I didn’t see any casts, hear of any off-season surgery. I mean they didn’t even list it on the injury on the injury report. The NFL has rules to prevent teams from making players play through injuries and the medical staff has the call on that not the Coach.
I'm not gonna lie
I personally think he wussed out too. I’ll bet Haley called him a girl or something, and he’s been butt hurt ever since.
LJ Type Players
I just hate the pre-madonna players that always cry about how bad they have it. Really they have it bad they could play in the CFL or better yet arena league. No these players have it damn good and if you cant play through a sprainged ankle, or something else minor go to the CFL.
To add to that.
You cant deny it was minor bcuz we didn’t even hear about it till now. At least I dont remember seeing anything on it, till now that is.
Yeah...
At least Page never spit on women, threatened their boyfriends, and got in twit fights with fans.
Jarad Page should definitely not be compared to LJ. We need to reserve that class for people like Hitler, Bin Laden and John Elway.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 7, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brian Waters and Mike Vrabel
are both reps for the NFLPA. If these kind of things transpired in front of the team, I think they would’ve heard about it from someone.
wait, when I said that Vrabal and Waters should show up for off-season voluntary workouts all I kept hearing was that they were Union Reps and were purposely going to exercise their right to not go to "voluntary" work outs.
My point? If that is true (they actually showed up this year), then I HIGHLY doubt Page and his brother are telling the truth. You going to tell me that HIGH character Union reps (two of them) would watch this “injury situation” with Page and not speak up? Not report something to Smith? Yeah frickin’ right.
I’m calling it right now. BS!
B frickin’ S. The man is a coward and a liar.
Maybe, just maybe he actually thought he was too hurt to play. Maybe. But that falls on the Medical Staff’s evaluation, not Haley.
here’s what really went down:
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 6, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
try that again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sx73s3ZBY8
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 6, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You going to tell me that HIGH character Union reps (two of them) would watch this "injury situation" with Page and not speak up? Not report something to Smith? Yeah frickin’ right.
Did you even read my comment before you replied? My whole comment was about how it’s just a PR move.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
If the Chiefs...
…treated other players poorly or pushed them too far, wouldn’t we be hearing more from other players? I mean, seems to me Haley would not have had the attendance during the OTAs like he did if there was a perception within the locker room that Haley and the rest of the coaching staff were pushing players beyond reasonable expectations to play through injuries, more importantly, being “hurt.”
Just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys.
after reading the line: "He also had two years ago had that same injury and played that entire season with that injury"...
…it seems to me as though Page could have played through the injury, but because he wasn’t a 7th round guy on the fringe of the roster, he didnt feel the need. To me, this is more of a mental problem with Page where he feels that the slight injury, adding to the fact that he dislikes Todd Haley, prevented him from wanting to fight through the injury
by trulyamoose on Aug 6, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
The Problem with not addressing these issues in the media...
When one side IS addressing them, is that you have a hard time controlling the public debate.
Is there are ‘Chiefs’ side to forcing Page to play through an injury? Did it even happen? We have one story with which to base our decision.
Am I inclined to believe that Haley is a bully? Yeah. Would I like to hear his explanation so I can make a more fair decision? Yeah.
Yep
That’s why I included that line in there about not knowing the Chiefs side so we need to keep an open mind. Maybe Haley’s explanation makes him look like the guilty party, maybe it makes Page look bad, who knows?
I'm keeping an open mind, but I find it hard to believe that Haley would knowingly
intimidate an injured play to risk making an existing injury worse by fielding and practicing the player.
The ONLY thing that I can possibly think of that could lead coaches to do this, is if they had evidence to suggest that the player was a malingerer.
To my knowledge, there had been no prior instances with Page that would suggest this.
That being said, if Page’s side of the story proves viable, it would be a sad day for Todd Haley.
But I just can’t buy in at this juncture.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Or moreover, if they had evidence that indicated that he was in fact, engaged
in the actual act of malingering.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
I don't remember what his injury was, and what the doctors reports read,
but there are injuries, that are not really detectable with modern equipment, and are yet diagnosed by doctors, based upon the verbal description of the symptom by the patient, and are treated for durations of time based on the patients word alone. So, what was Page’s injury again?
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Also, those types of "injuries" are perfect cover for the malingering party, since
it’s impossible to disprove the injury.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Seeking truth is fruitless.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Or....
….. They bring Vrabel and Waters to vouch for Haley calling Page for his BS. How sweet would that be?
I don't know if this is true...
But we’ve heard many times how big of an asshole Todd Haley is. It wouldn’t suprise me, but I’m sure 95% of this blog will just blow it off and defend Haley no matter what.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 6, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Haley IS an asshole. That’s why he’s gonna be a GREAT Head Coach. He comes from a long line of Asshole, SUCCESSFUL Head Coaches.
Being an asshole...
Does NOT make you a great head coach.
You CAN be a great head coach and an asshole, but there is NO correlation between the two.
There are very few great head coaches who’s players actually hate them.
Great Head coaches win
Players like to win
Hence as long as you are winning you can be an butt.
If you start losing, you lose the ability to be a butt and players hate you
Eric Berry once won a game of Connect Four in 3 moves.
SC: And you probably don't mind all of those Ed Reed comparisons you get?
EB: (Laughs) No, not at all
I don't believe Jay implied that he had
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That's not true
he won two games last year….the other two 22 guys off the street could have won so they don’t count.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 6, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
But there are two groups of successful head coaches......
I would prefer that my successful head coach was without wax.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
That's my plan.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
From what I understand
When he’s not on the field he’s actually a pretty nice guy. At least Kurt Warner seems to think so…
I don’t know what to believe here. It’s hard to believe if Haley was openly (as John Page implied) trying to intimidate players into playing that Vrabel would’ve resigned here and Waters would’ve stuck around…
They’re not the type to take a bunch of crap or let it happen, seeing as they’re union reps.
Not saying it’s not true, just saying it’s hard to believe…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Everyone who ever met Ted Bundy thought he was a really nice guy.
The point is, it’s hard to know what is in a players mind, and his personality doesn’t have to match his motives.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Sure, but that only brings up half of my point
My main point is that Waters and Vrabel were in that locker room that John Page is saying this stuff went down.
Do you see them as the type of guys to sit idly by while out of line stuff went down? They didn’t need the team, and they’re both union reps.
Yet Waters didn’t retire and Vrabel resigned, and both have talked about a “positive atmosphere” around the team.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Ted Bundy = Not cool. Al Bundy = Cool.
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by nateforchiefs on Aug 6, 2010 6:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, Haley's such an a-hole
That Bowe, who he’s probably been harder on than anyone, seems to love him. That Waters, who had a pretty public issue with him last year, seems to be just fine with him now.
Is he a hard ass? Seems that way and there’s nothing wrong with that. If he actually did what Page’s agent claims then yes, he was wrong to do so. You’ll have to forgive me if I’m not inclined to believe it just because someone who wants out says so though.
by bh13 on Aug 6, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is what I'm leaning towards...
Also key to think of is the fact that Waters (a big time participant and rep in the NFLPA) hasn’t made any mention of this. If Haley was endangering players I think Waters would have gotten the Players Association involved by now.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 6, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
Don’t forget about Charles and DJ
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Not to mention
Warner and his family visit with him. And he took the time to speak to the players during ota’s. Yeah sounds like his players hate him.
Sackoff (McIntosh,Goff) like Brangelina.
I disagree
We’ve heard reporters (I’m looking at you Twitlock) make unsupported CLAIMS of Pioli and Haley being assholes. The facts are that Waters (supposedly) had a run in but is here and totally bought in. The entire team minus one d-bag (Page) is bought in big time. I think the team loves this guy.
Stay thirsty, my friends - for Kool-Aid !!!!!!
I've got plenty of crows in my yard
that I’d love to help jam down twitlock’s throat.
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I remember that game!!!
The one where Haley pulled Page out on the field in leg irons and forced him to play.
That was nuts.
by JaySoy on Aug 6, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Right, and he was wearing that iron mask.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
thought they had those clasps on his nips and was recieving a charge
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I'm sorry I thought these men are football players....
not pansies….play through the pain!
Just teasing
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 6, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I think Bill Mass hit the nail on the head (someone with more tech skills than me post the interview)
Both Egoli and Page are trying to see who has the bigger dick. Only problem is no one wins in the game of chicken. Pioli’s now screwed the pooch more than once. He needs to stop listening to his ego and start doing what best for his team. If his plan goes as well as we all think then we don’t need to worry about the example set by caving to Page’s needs because we’re building a culture that players will want to play for. Cut the bs and trade the man.
I agree, most ignorant nickname ever
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by Aperture on Aug 6, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If Page's story turns out to be true
and Page leaves the team without compensation it will be the most accurate nickname ever.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
To be frank, it really hacked me off to see one of our own, use that term to describe him.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
by TheK-man on Aug 6, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree,
the only one screwed is Page. He gave his job away without a fight to Kendrick Lewis by being absent in camp. KC (read that Pioli if you want) just may be better off without him. Page may wind up costing himself 1.7 million dollars if Pioli decides to take it that far.
There are jobs waiting.
Guaranteed to start: Detroit, St Louis, Oakland, San Diego
Chance to start: Houston, Cleveland, Seattle, Arizona
Good situation as backup: Pittsburgh, Baltimore
He’s got some options if he becomes a free agent. His competition would top out at Mike Brown, Jermaine Phillips, and Manquard Manuel. All of them are 10+ years in the league so he has the youth card on them.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
No one who sits out all of camp is guaranteed anything, anywhere.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
A chace yes...but if he wants a guarantee, he'd better get it in his contract.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Why should he be a free agent? That’s not up to him, based on the CBA this year. If he had signed his tender, come to OTA’s and camp, busted his butt, and showed some value, he’s have some leverage. Now he has zero, and after today, less than zero. He is a fool, and Pioli and Haley don’t suffer fools gladly.
You mean the only one who SHOULD BE SCREWED is Page. Right?
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Wow, you really do think poorly of Scott Pioli don't you.
I think he’s done a tremendous job and I don’t see any evidence whatsoever of egomania within Scott Pioli. I find him to be quite a humble man.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
by TheK-man on Aug 6, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He thinks poorly of everyone, lol.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 6, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, stop it....we already got a K-man around here.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
If this story is true
then Pioli knew Page wanted out before last season ended. Pioli then assigned a 2nd round tender to Page (which many here thought was an indication that Page was valued). It now appears Pioli assigned a tender knowing full well it wouldn’t be matched. Why? To get a lower pick at a later date? Why not assign a lower tender?
What’s the motivation? It’s either poor managing or punishment for something. Either is bad.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Page had a third round tender.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Cut the bs and trade the man.
Yeah, I don’t think that’s likely to happen now… I doubt anyone is going to trade for him.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 6, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I predict a third round pick in the 2012 draft from the Detroit Lions.
Mr. Pioli, will defer receipt of the pick for a year in order to get it bumped from a 4th or 5th to a third, because he cares about the long-term picture.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Supposing the offer is on the table still.
Why not just wait for the Chiefs to cut him like they did Pollard?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Because Scott has already told them, they won't cut him, they'll make him sit
out the whole season. That’s how you negotiate.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
And if he signs his tender after the trade deadline?
Then Pioli has to cut someone.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Naaa. This isn't baseball. Trades don't happen much any more....except for draft picks.
I can’t really remember the last player for player trade.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
I mean I'm sure they happen, but I don't recall any for a while now.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Call me crazy
but aside from how this is playing out, I’d say Pioli is trying to do what’s best for the team. It could be handled better, yes, but it’s in the best interest of the team to get the best possible deal they can for Page. If that means holding onto him longer than some like, so be it.
Jarrade Page's first agent
created a contract with a clause in it, to get us where we are today. If that was his brother, it’s his own fault for his negotiating skills. The Cheifs OWN the rights of Jarad Page and should not be INTIMIDATED themselves, into getting rid of him for anything less then what they want. Make that little pussy sit out the entire year and next year we’ll see if he gets an offer anywhere CLOSE to what his tender was this year… I think Jarad Page is a fool and his brother too. Seeing the characteristic in both makes me believe the parents are also fools. I hope Jarad Page ends up never playing another down in the NFL!!
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should release his ass jus cuz od the picture he cant even tackle darren mcfadden!!
by Dakota23 on Aug 6, 2010 4:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Right, and Darren McGavin should be pretty easy to tackle, since he's just an actor and all.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Interesting that Page's Camp is saying he was injured...
I can’t find anything that says he was injured during this time.
http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2009/08/page/2/
Also no mention at all on the first game of the season
Chiefs at Ravens CHIEFS: LIMITED: RB Jackie Battle (illness), QB Matt Cassel (knee), CB Brandon Flowers (shoulder).
Seems to me that if Battle, and Flowers can both stand up and say that something was bothering them that Jarrad Page shouldn’t have had a problem saying that his knee was bothering him. So much BS
Go Chiefs!!!!
NFL injury reports
Can’t be trusted. Especially by the Pioli/Belichek camp.
The chiefs probably took a fake injury report from Page and then tossed it in the round file.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
very possible
there is some truth to this. remember how the new regime came in with the attitude that they came in with? Haley rubbed waters the wrong way too, and others…
still, its done. moving on…..
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
waters
Haley and Pioli rubbed Waters the wrong way because they treated him like any other player instead of giving him any privileges, and he wasn’t used to or expecting that. I think he’s on board now.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Aug 6, 2010 5:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you're both right
im just saying that they DID come in awfully arrogant, as if nobody knew anything about football but them and it alienated some folks.
but i have to say….they had to because if you wanna change a losing culture to a winning one, you gotta be a dick. in the beginning..
nobody will care about any of this 2 years from now. hell, a year from now.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I disagree
They didn’t come in Arrogant, they came in and took charge. Also something the players were not used too. This team spent way too much time in a participative leadership style under Herm where everyone got a trophy and we were all winners. That lack of leadership stunted the professional growth of DJ, Tamba and most likely Pollard and Page as well.
It’s about time somebody took charge on and off the field. I say it’s about time.
I'm not a smart man
true, that they took charge
and true it needed to be done so players could be their best, and not get complacent.
also true that there WAS arrogance. nobodys perfect, and haley has made mistakes but the general idea seems to be working.
example of the arrogance? for one, telling an all pro 22 guys off the street could win 2 games. There has been some arrogance, no question.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Allegedly:
example of the arrogance? for one, telling an all pro 22 guys off the street could win 2 games.
Remember that Jason Whitlock said Brian Waters said that. And right now Whitlock is MIA… his journalistic integrity has come into question. Or his columnist integrity… or whatever.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 7, 2010 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions
true
maybe not the best example, but when you hear/read about several things similar to this….you KNOW they did some things which would be considered arrogant and pissed some people off. but, as i said, oh well. i think the page has been turned and most seem to be on board now. They will continue to be if we go from 4 wins to 7 or 8 this year…
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Page Lost whatever Leverage he had today
The Chiefs best scenario was getting a 6th rounder. Now they can get nothing, so it does them no good to release him, and give him what he wants. So because of this idiocy by him and his agent/brothedr/lackey, he’ll just sit and rot until HE comes crawling back to the Chiefs.
All he has to do is sign his tender just as the trade deadline passes.
The Chiefs then have to cut someone. If it’s him, he’s free. If it’s not him, he gets paid and ensures the Chiefs won’t retain his rights at the season’s end.
Chiefs just lost their best shot at getting some kind of value for Page.
And let’s not think many GMs are going to look at Haley’s record with benching players that shouldn’t be and hold that against Page (especially if they need a safety).
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Page now gets what he wants and can screw KC over in the process. If the Chiefs knew that he had no intentions of coming back then they should have traded him a while ago.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Unless they keep him and make him inactive for the whole season.
not likely but, you never know. How much money would he make next year after sitting all of this one>
Doesn't that still chew up a roster spot?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
yes, it would.
But it doesn’t mean it won’t happen
I really don't want one of the "Right 53" being some guy who doesn't even suit up or want to play for the team.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
... or they can let him sign and throw him on the pup or IR if they really wanted to be dicks.
IYKWIMAITYD
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I'm pretty sure Jesse Jackson could turn this racial.
Like with the running back in Varsity Blues. Not that I want this to happen in any way, shape, or form.
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Doesn't this happen on EVERY team?
Coaches pressure players to ‘be’ hurt instead of injured on almost every NFL team. I think he and his brother should have pooled some money and hired a real agent instead of complaining about a common practice in the NFL.
Whoa
Just because it happens elsewhere doesn’t mean right. If the Chiefs did this — and we’ve only got one side here — it’s completely, 100% wrong. But, again, we don’t have the Chiefs side so take it for what it’s worth.
the chiefs side
would you expect some sort of announcement from the chiefs? i know its not really their m.o to talk about these sort of things, but at this point, anything is better than silence
by 'its_our_year_kid' on Aug 6, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough and point taken
I remember last year when the Texans had a scandal about a player suffering an injury during OTA’s and making some film public of full-contact, NO PAD drills where a guy got injured. That frustrated me at the time, and I remember being proud to be a Chiefs fan where that type of thing doesn’t happen. So I think my comment was probably a little too dismissive of Page’s concerns.
by hornetchiefsfan on Aug 6, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I've got a grain of salt here for you
if you need it.
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If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck,
and walks like a duck , it’s a duck. If it looks, smells like and is the consistency of bullsh*t, it is bullsh*t. Pag has no credibility at all.
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Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
It's A Simple Case of an Amateur Hour Brother for Agent
1. Bad move in hiring a sibling rather than a pro to run your career.
2. When it’s not working, worse move in allowing yourself to be painted further into a corner with few if any viable options, short of professional suicide.
3. Worst move, allow your brother to not only alienate your team forever, but also make a reputation as a take it public disaster type player that devalues your worth to any other team.
It’s not about injuries or coaches, it’s about a player and agent who have no idea how conduct themselves in a business for grownups. Sad situation, but the Chiefs just need to take the high road, as they are now, making no comments that feed into the nonsense. Let him sit forever unless they bring a firm trade deal management thinks is good for the team.
Anything else sets a bad precedent.
by Kscelt on Aug 6, 2010 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why?
At the end of the day, Page will get what he wants. A new team. It’s already well known that Detroit wants him. Now the Lions just have to wait for the Chiefs to release him. This works just fine for Page. He already knows there’s at least one job waiting for him. He really doesn’t lose out at all.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I disagree with that. Chiefs don't have to release him unless he signs his tender since he doesn't count against the roster
and his brother said he won’t sign unless there is a trade in place so the Page camp has no leverage whatsoever until he signs the tender and makes him and his brother look like the amateur negotiators they are. His brother should have atleast bought the “How to be an NFL Agent for Dummies” on tape
by Chiefs_KC on Aug 6, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But it's his option to sign the tender whenever he wants.
So he does hold leverage there. He’s already been tendered so what if he waits until after the trade deadline? Then either he gets cut, or someone else does.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
The problem with your argument is that you think the Lions will wait until week 11 to hope that page becomes available. And even if he signs his tender, and they cut him, he doesn’t automatically become an unrestricted free agent, he’d have to pass through waivers first, where damn near any team could claim him. And since this is an uncapped year, they probably won’t think twice about paying him a prorated second round tender for 6 games, and he’d more than likely end up o. O e of the worst teams in the league (which very well could be the lions I guess)
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by aasukisuki on Aug 7, 2010 12:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, if this is the case, then I say it's been poorly handled by the Chiefs.
If it was clear that Page didn’t want to be back on the team, then they should have traded him a while ago. Because now what happens? No team is going to trade actual value for him. They’re going to wait until KC has no choice but to release him (Pollard anyone?). I think we just lost out again.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Pollard was under contract and counted towards the 53 roster, Page since he hasn't signed doesn't count until he signs the tender
Totally different situation until Page signs, and his bro said he won’t so the Page brothers look like total idiots. I hope they don’t read these posts or they’ll sign that tender tomorrow then the Chiefs really would have to do something
His brother can say that all day, but it doesn't matter.
If they wait and sign the tender later then what?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
So then Page gets what he wants.
Either way he ends up on a new team. All that remains to be seen is if the Chiefs can get any value for him. Fat chance of that right now.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Definition of "intimidating"
Haley himself has said it before, so everybody, including Page, the team, the media, and us fans could hear: “If you are out of the field, doing what you are supposed to be doing, then you will play. If you’re not, you won’t”. If Page found this statement and action “intimidating”, then so be it. Whether it’s an injury, a personal problem, or just being a plain d-bag, and you’re not practicing or playing up to expectations, you’re not going to play, bottom line.
If Page felt “intimidated” b/c the coaches told him “If you don’t play through the injury, then you may lose your starting spot on down the road”, then let him be intimidated by that. The coaches can play who they feel give them the best chance to win, and if that was a hobbled Page at the time, and they tried to relate to him that they want him out there at practice, at gametime, at full speed, and if he felt he couldn’t do it, then clearly they had to moved in a different direction.
How else could coaches “intimidate” him?
Coaches to Page: “Buddy, if you don’t play, I’m going to shoot you in the face!”
Page to Media: “Nobody puts Baby in a corner”
Coaches to Pioli: “It’s true. This man has no dick”
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
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MAN
please trade this man… page dose not belong here anymore Im tired of hearing bout him..turn the page on em.. let play fo the lions… and then he will turn the page on them 2…
Asking again,
can a team even trade a player who is not under contract?
no
If they found a trade partner, then Page would sign his tender, be traded to the other team, and probably sign a new long-term contract
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
No
but team can set up the trade and have player sign tender.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So maybe KC isn't finding a real trade partner.
Detroit is “interested” but that doesn’t mean they are serious.
True... but if if no team is offering more than a 7th rd pick right now, there's absolutely no rush on the Chiefs part
His value can only go up from there. Doesn’t count against the roster since Jarrad ‘s brother/agent said he won’t sign the tender unless a trade is in place. Thanks for showing your hand genius…
Unless there is no offer.
Then the Chiefs either have to retain a player who won’t see the field for the whole year or release him.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
They're still playing nice.
Jarrad ‘s brother/agent said he won’t sign the tender unless a trade is in place.
They can always change their mind and sign later. It would hurt the Chiefs if he signs after the trade deadline and Page would be no worse off than he is now. In fact he’d be getting paid.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade deadline is about 2.5 months away, Chiefs will have traded him for a 7th and a conditional or better or have released him by then
If he signs after the trade deadline and no trade in place they can cut him and only be out a couple 100K (whatever the guaranteed money is in the tender contract). Page is coming across to the rest of the league as a diva and he has only shown to be a league-average safety at this point in his career who was a 7th rd draft pick so other teams are going to wonder if he’s worth the headache if he eventually gets released. Page& Page are handling the whole situation as poorly as possible up to this point.
So he becomes a free agent midway through the season.
Right when teams know what weaknesses they need to address before making a playoff run. Page controls his fate with the RFA tender. The final approval of any trade belongs to him. When he signs his tender is his decision. Why wouldn’t he wait and become a free agent mid way through the season? Get picked up on a one year deal to help a team make a playoff run. He’s in a much stronger position than I think you realize.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I guess I was wrong.
I thought he was restricted unless he signs. I thought if he didn’t sign this season, he is in the same boat next year?
If he doesn't sign then yes he is.
But he has the tender in hand and can sign it whenever he wants. When he does that, he becomes a part of the roster. If he does it after the trade deadline, then the Chiefs either have to cut him or someone else.
If he signs it now, the Chiefs can try and trade him, but there probably won’t be any takers. So, again, they have to cut him or someone else.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I don't see your problem?
If Page had signed his tender2 months ago then there would still only be 53 roster spots and he would be on one. You have to assume that the 53 man roster is still Page + 52 men and one man at the end of the list playing special teams or back up saftey that can be sent back to the practice sqad when Page signs.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
Who's going to sign a player that hasn't played a game in 1.5 years at that point and held out?
He isn’t going to play for the Chiefs again anyway, and if no one’s offering more than a 7th for him, what loss is it to the Chiefs if they end up releasing him midway through the season? Same as people crying about Pollard being released. They fail to remember that no team offered anything for him and he went unsigned for days or maybe even weeks (I can’t remember the exact amount of time) before Hou signed him. Sure, he ended up having a good season with the Texans but if the Texans knew he’d play that well, they would have offered Chiefs a 4th or 3rd for him.
Any team that needs safety depth.
Or a team like the Lions that are looking to rebuild over the next couple of seasons. He will have plenty of options.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
if it gets to that point, the Lions can sign him if he gets released
If the Lions want to deal with him and his brother I guess that would explain why they’re the Lions.
People say the same thing about signing guys like TO.
Yet he has a job, Haynesworth has a job, PacMan has a job, Cutler has a job, Scheffler has a job (in Detroit mind you). Attitudes really don’t matter that much when it comes down to it.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
page must not have been to badly injured at the time
Or else the medical staff would have had to step in and say he can’t play. Haley can’t play somebody without medical clearance.
by chiefs8288 on Aug 6, 2010 5:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
if the aforementioned interaction between Haley and Page is true
then i just lost a lot of respect for todd haley. only successful coaches are allowed to be dicks. haley is a serious asshole and the sad thing is – it will take a few years for pioli to fire him
Eric Berry + Brandon Flowers = a pissed off Phillip Rivers
So Haley can only be a dick if he wins?
Thus far, his approach is working in terms of they are actually conducting themselves as a team now. The Page is the only drama this season so far. I don’t think that’s coincidence.
Who gives a shit! This is now a no nonsense ran team and the inmates will not run the asylum anymore. Page has 2 choices….sign the contract and do what hes told, or ROT! Haley will be a great head coach and is not hated by players that realize hes trying to help them. T.O. hates him, page hates him. But many other players that are MUCH better because of him love him….Fitzgerald, Warner, Bowe, Crayton. Arrowhead will be burned down if Haley is fired because of some 7th round bum that would rather rot than sign his tender
by Swilk15 on Aug 6, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
what good is it doing Page
to air this out in the media?
Winning begins with Attitude - Haley and Pioli will be winners in KC!
I'll forever be a Chiefs fan! Only God himself could take that away from me, but when I get to my great reward, I'll rejoin two bigger fans, my Mom and Dad.
by Lanier63 on Aug 6, 2010 5:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It puts the Chiefs in a bad spot.
His trade value just went down while his player worth stayed the same. It’ll be hard for the Chiefs to trade him now. A lot of teams are just going to sit back and wait for him to be released.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Another question
Is Jarrad Page’s camp insinuating there are actually offers from other teams and the Chiefs are standing in the way? Listening to the interview again I’m getting that impression that he’s trying to paint the situation in that way.
Which is BS most likely.
How would they know if there were offers? Why don't the Page's announce them if they know there are offers?
Teams can’t talk to a player or discuss a player with an agent who’s rights are retained by a team, it’s called tampering. Unless, the team gives the player and agent the OK to actively seek out teams that are interested in making a deal for him.
The Page’s total lack of knowledge makes me question the validity of any statement they make.
My opinion... and I've been pondering this for a few minutes now:
It’s BS. The Pages didn’t have any leverage to demand a trade, so they’re pulling some bizarre “forced to play injured” story out of their asses. Haley might challenge you to play through some pain, but if you’ve got a legitimate injury, I can’t see him forcing someone to play. There’s a good chance that the team doctors looked at Page and there wasn’t an injury worthy of pulling him from the game. I mean come on. Brian Waters is right there in the locker room (Players Association rep). I don’t think Haley was out of line, or Waters would have had the NFL on this already.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 6, 2010 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd, double Rec'd and TRIPLE Rec'd (if I could do it, I would)
Don’t forget Vrabel was there too.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
That's kind of where i'm at with this
Sounds like bullshit.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Not only Brian Waters
But Mike Vrabel who is on the Executive Committee. I’m not buying any of this crap. And here is a quote from Haley’s presser yesterday:
the weather’s been pretty extreme but at the same time I feel like our players and the team has worked extremely hard – we’ve not been perfect and there are mistakes being made. The real positive is when you’re working in difficult conditions and going through the grind of training camp and when you’ve got a group of 80 guys who are busting their butts and working hard all the way through, even to the point of having a little scuffle at the end of practice on a day when it’s 100 degrees. In my mind, I felt like they’ve worked hard but at the same time, as the head coach, it’s my job to take care of these guys in all areas, and their physical condition is one of those.And I have heard him talk about taking care of players before. The difference between “hurt” and “injured” and the need to play through “hurt”. If it won’t do permanent damage you better be out there and ready to go.
I think Page comes under the heading of, as Scot Pioli has said a number of times, “you have to find players that respond to the coaches’ coaching style.” Page doesn’t and never will. Now he is involved in a pissing match and is just going to be left holding his….
Get these guys signed and in camp! I want to see some hitting.....
by Zodeman on Aug 6, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention Page at the time inferred that Haley kept him out of that game when asked why he didn't dress.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
From Haley's latest presser...
Q: How often do you remind the players that they have to keep pushing themselves to take the next step but at the same time they have to listen to their body and if things are going bad, maybe they do have to stop?
HALEY: "Full-time job. Any time of the day, either myself, trainers, doctors, assistant coaches, it’s something that we talk about in every meeting and we’re making sure that it’s getting passed along – every opportunity that I speak to the team and really when anybody has any access to them, which is all day long really. Even at night when we’re doing bed check we have a coach who checks the curfew and there’s always a trainer or two with them that’s carrying Gatorade, water, ice, all those things. We’re forcing the issue up until the last minute and when they wake up."
Doesn’t sound like a guy that would attempt intimidate a player into playing injured. The shit just don’t add up.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 6, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think it's pretty telling
That not once do they mention what this supposed injury was. I’m guessing this probably did happen, but what was the injury? Was is a papercut? A skinned knee? Why not just say what it was?
I’m betting it was something minor and he deserved to be called out in front of everyone for being a pansy and it hurt his feelings so much he became bitter about it.
crybabyitus
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
he had an acute case of vaginitis
Haley gave him som Vagisil and told him to get back out there and it made poor Page cry.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
he had an acute case of vaginitis
Haley gave him som Vagisil and told him to get back out there and it made poor Page cry.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
go haley
It probably wasn’t the fact that page was injured it was how he handled the situation. Page was destined to be a problem child after pollard was let go I always thought, those guys were pretty tight . Dont you guys think the Chiefs should trade him? Or just let him squirm until the new CBA is adopted.?
Screw him.
I don’t really care for this drama anymore. I think it’s only gonna get worse with this situation. Most likely started feeling bad when Lewis was drafted on day 2 or three(anybody know when he tweeted being happy about playing with Berry?) Was it same day Berry was drafted?
You nailed it with the Drama part.
This is just going to be he said she said blah blah blah. Lets play football.
Page
I guess this is why Gretz charges for his site. Covering substance over B.S.
Discussion for a day...
So how about this Kendrick Lewis guy, huh? Between Lewis and Berry, the safety position is looking pretty exciting, isn’t it? McGraw is a solid back-up.
I dont understand what Page
is trying to accomplish by not signing his tender. Isnt it true that if he doesnt sign the tender by a certain date or sits out all year then he just becomes a restricted FA again next year cuz he wont have enough years of service in the league to become a FA
Yes, but that is after the trade deadline.
So if he signs between those dates, he eats up a roster spot and the Chiefs will have to release him.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
They can't put him on IR without his consent.
At that point the NFLPA will absolutely get involved in the issue and the Chiefs will not win that one.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Not if he doesn't pass a physical...
lol… just kidding… sort of
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 6, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I could've chosen to sit out during my trip to Kuwait..
I had a broke bone in my wrist. But I chose not to let my fellow Marines down. I couldn’t. Too much loyalty to my friends and team. I couldn’t set back and let them have all the fun. For those of you that’s had a broke bone in your wrist, you know too much pressure and your hand will let go of whatever your holding. I played threw the pain. Not to be a tough guy, but to be the backing I signed up to be. I couldn’t let (me) down. Nor my brother’s.
3rd or 4th pre-season game?
Kind of hard to determine if he was allegedly pressured to play in the third or fourth game based on the comments. However, I find it hard to believe that Haley would “intimidate” a starter to play in a damn pre-season game if he was really injured.
by sapper12b on Aug 6, 2010 6:32 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
There's a bitch in every crowd
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Page is a Herm guy...
He was loving life under Herm’s term as HC. Coach Haley rubbed him the wrong way, traded his buddy to Houston and the rest is history. He and his agent brother are making this personal which is sad. I say let him sit until the 11th hour and then unload him somewhere. By the way….long time reader first time blogger. This site rocks!!
by Steepler1224 on Aug 6, 2010 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This site does rock.
I think that’s what happens when your brother is your agent. His bro is probably enabling him. Instead telling him what is actually better for him on a pro basis.
i got the perfect ideal!
Lets make an Online Petition!!! whose with me on this one!
Since when did chiefs fans turn into Yankees fans?
Get back to practice LJ.
You’re still fighting for 2nd string.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 6, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe how many people instantly have sided with Page.
Not saying it’s right or wrong just saying it’s very surprising. Fact is we will get no distinct answers on this because we will never get the Chiefs side of it. Someone will get desperate enough for a safety and make the trade. People expecting a Bernard Pollard cut again this year its not going to happen because Page is not taking up any roster space, he’s sitting there on an imaginary shelf and will stay there until the right deal comes along so the “no one will trade for him because they know he’ll get cut” theory isn’t legit.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 6, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree....
Like I mentioned in my other post….Page and Pollard loved Herm and were pissed when he got the ax. As was DJ, Waters, TG. However, Waters and DJ got on board. the others got put out one way or another. we are in a position to unload Page if he wants to be a distraction to the team and the goal of winning the AFC WEST
Great points.
IT’s impossible for me to take Pages side when every, every player is on board and loving where they are. Vrabel signed his same day of receiving his tender.
the goal isn't to win the afc west.....
ITS TO DESTROY IT……….. another donkey went down today…… we should celebrate that
Since when did chiefs fans turn into Yankees fans?
by LeaveLJalone419 on Aug 6, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be fine with the total domination of the WEST
Trying to be a realist so I don’t put my foot through the tv when/if they start to lose. It seems like my beloved Chiefs will win the tough ones and then lay a fat egg on the teams would should destroy.
Main thing with Pollard was he was under contract and was eating up a roster spot.
When it became known that we wanted to unload him that makes it hard for Pioli to negotiate and what happened was someone waited for him to be cut. With Page we don’t have to cut him, he takes up no space so you can wait around for him to be cut all you want but Pioli has no incentive or reason to cut him.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
If Page no longer has a residence in Kansas or
Missouri it probably became apparent to him he was not likely to beat out Kendrick Lewis for that position on the Chiefs roster. Rather than face it like a man and take on all comers for the position he is doing the chicken sh*t back stab and feigning an injury…..all the while hoping Gunther can save his pathetic ass from oblivion. Like Glanville said NFL stands for “not for long”. It is a what have you done for me lately league and Page is killing his own career. Who knows if he can even still play after this much time has elapsed?
"The Hammer"
If what he were saying was true....
…then it would be a legal matter. Or at the very least a union matter.
Our DBs will be fine....
With Page out it forces us to play the young guys more which is going to put them that much more ahead in year 2 and 3.
I think Haley had to act that way....
since he was the new sheriff in town. Now that his system has been established he will still be passionate but more under control. The thing with Herm he was such a pussy when it came to decisions on the field. I think word would have leaked last year…maybe through Pollard after the trade that this incident occurred with Page.
Much ado...
This kind of stuff goes on all the time in sports. It is quite possible that Haley was told by a trainer or team doc that Page’s injury was not serious, and they could have been wrong. But Haley had a new team and was trying to instill a new attitude. It is also quite possible that Page was sick of losing, saw no light at the end of the tunnel, and did not want to play any more for the Chiefs. But he had a long contract and was using all of this to get to another team. Players pull this kind of thing, and the new regime wanted to make it clear that they would not be pressured out of a contract. Whatever happened, the truth is that Page is never again going to play for the Chiefs, and both sides know this. KC brass want to get the most trade value by waiting for some other team to end up with a training camp injury at safety. That is merely smart. For Page, not getting to spend most of camp with a new team is harming his long term future, so he is getting panicky and trying to force this trade right now.
As for me, I believe that the long term best interests of the franchise require them to resist petulant demands by players under contract and not let the players abrogate their contracts by worming out of their contracts early. It makes no sense to think that the Chiefs would harm themselves by knowingly forcing a good player to play through injury, when it could LOWER their roster strength and jeopardize a player’s value to the team. Why would they knowingly do that? There is your answer. They wouldn’t. They want to be a good team, because management’s jobs depend on it. Page and his brother can kiss my a**.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
- Groucho Marx
by Bilyous on Aug 6, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes,
And too bad for Page that the wheels on the bus go round and round. It’s like the guy never existed in Chiefsville. He has screwed himself royaly with his bro’s assistance. Idiots.
Yeah, that's what I am thinkin', too.
Two idiot brothers have nearly killed a promising career.
"The Hammer"
Well, my opinion prob shouldn't count but...
IMO, if you trade for a starter in the NFL. That guy should be worth at least a 5th. Doesn’t matter if he’s not a pro bowler. If he’s good enough to start, he’s worth a 5th. However, I bet he doesn’t bring more than a 6th unless (hopefully) desperation kicks in.
What injury?
After reading all through this. I am really suprised that no one has asked the hard Question.
WHAT WAS THE INJURY PAGE HAD, OR supposed to have had???
A couple of you alluded to that, but no one has asked Page just what IJURY he had.
I don’t think a FRACTURED EGO qualifies as a injury to be held out of a game, or needs to be reported on the NFL’S injury report>
WHAT IS THE INJURY PAGE?????
Come on, be honest. Let us in on the big secret.
by honk on Aug 6, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Whatever made up injury it was
seemed to have been bad enough to put him on IR. Could be the same injury Waters has, or Gilberry has, or Harris has because we haven’t heard about those either.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 6, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
VAGINITIS
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
Hemorrhoids
He needs to talk to George Brett.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
- Groucho Marx
The chemistry on this team appears to be excellent. They are doing things right and I
can’t imagine Page coming back under any conditions now. We don’t want him, he would be a cancer to the team. Hold out for a forth round pick. The Chief’s are in the drivers seat now where last year with Pollard they were not. Someone will come begging, just wait.
Agreed...Page is the idiot here.
People want to blame Haley for yelling at his players for doing a poor job or in football talk “failing to execute”. And then they want to blame Haley because he should have had the player “prepared” so that they “did not fail to execute”. What is it?
These players are paid millions to execute. During the 1990’s if the Chiefs player executed during playoff games we would have won 4 Super Bowls. Maybe Marty Schottenhemier should have done more yelling during the regular season in the 90’s.
Bill Cowher wasn’t always a sweet guy on game day camera as well but people think he walks on water. You have the right for your opinion but IMO I am glad we got someone that will react and show some emotion..
by NFL season ticket holder on Aug 6, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
The coach’s job is to get the team prepared and to win games… not to be friends with everyone. Sometimes getting the players out of their comfort zone sharpens their game. Then again… sometimes it brings the beotch out in them. Win some, lose some. I’m hoping they sit his ass all year and when there’s a lockout next year, he’ll have three years out and his career will be at an end. Page is a dumbass for not making the most out of an opportunity of a lifetime by capitalizing on the best years of his life and his God given talent and playing in the NFL.
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the only thing proven is
that page’s brother/agent is an idoit. Page has poor choice in people.
Your Mama!
Jarrad Page...
is a coward and a bum. I will be glad when he is gone and takes his soft-ass poisonous “Herm mentality” with him….
Honor Your Contract ..We won in the early 00's without YOU and we will win again in the 10's without YOU. Get the picture!..
by NFL season ticket holder on Aug 6, 2010 10:30 PM CDT reply actions
Well, he did honor his contract
He’s not under contract…in fact he would have been a free agent if it weren’t for the screwy nature of the CBA this year.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I guess your right but then again he needs to follow the rule of the current CBA and sign a tender.
Who is jarad Page to go out and start demanding a trade? I don’t recall him being a superstar. I would say he was lucky that Herm handed him a job.
by NFL season ticket holder on Aug 7, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The rule is not to sign the tender. The rule is to give both sides the option of basically renewing the contract. If Page doesn’t want to sign his tender there is nothing in any CBA rule that says he has to sign.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I’m guessing that most, if not all of the few Page supporters here were also Herm supporters, and don’t like how a real Head Coach tries to hold people accountable.
well played
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Why does he keep refering to Jarrad as "the player"
Does he think it sounds more formal and professional that way? It sounds more like a dumb person trying to sound smart.
Predictions:
This year will be better
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