Chiefs Training Camp: Night Practice Has A 'Game-Like Atmosphere'
Greetings from Kansas City. I've just returned from St. Joe, the site of the Kansas City Chiefs first training camp evening practice.
There were in the neighborhood of 8,000 folks that attended, I was told, and Spratt Stadium was packed. There were fans lining the end zones as well as each set of bleachers filled.
According to several players we talked to, this was A.) the closest thing to a game and B.) very much needed at this point. The Chiefs are nearly a week into training camp and the grind is starting to hit so a few of them said the fans and playing under the lights were a major bonus at this point.
We'll be back tomorrow with what the players had to say but for now here are a few updates from the evening. For those of you in attendance, chime in with your thoughts and observations.
Missing in action: Brian Waters and Thomas Jones.
Waters has been out the entire camp with some sort of ankle injury. Jones, however, hasn't missed a practice yet. He had no noticeable injury and spent practice riding the bikes in the "rehab zone" with Waters.
Returning to action: Pierre Walters
Walters had missed several practices in a row for an unknown reason. The Chiefs signed an outside linebacker in his absence but he was back in action tonight. This is pure speculation but I wonder if that outside linebacker being signed was some sort of motivation for Walters.
Dexter McCluster show continues
There's no doubt who the 8,000 fans in attendance liked the most: Offensive weapon Dexter McCluster.
He started things off on a poor note dropping a screen pass but from there he lit it up.
The Chiefs did one-on-one drills between the receiver and defensive backs with all three quarterbacks rotating. Most of the routes were deep and perhaps the catch of the night was an over-the-shoulder grab from McCluster. Brodie Croyle floated a beautiful pass from the 50 yard line that landed in McCluster's outstretched arms inside the ten. Just a great, great play from both sides.
In the same drill, McCluster lined up against Brandon Flowers. He juked to the right as if he was going long then cut back inside on a slant route and caught the ball in stride. Flowers barely caught a hand on him tripping him up.
That wasn't it though. Towards the end of practice, Matt Cassel hit McCluster running full speed -- I happened to be walking by the fence about 15 yards away and I can't even describe what "full speed" is to McCluster -- right in the arms. Perfect pass. Perfect catch. Six points.
That's the sorta thing that gets you excited about his ability to be a receiver.
But that wasn't all. He also lined up as a running back at one point. On one handoff to the left hand side, he made one cut up field and....poof! In a real game, he would have been in the secondary and, well, the defense is probably in trouble at that point.
Most entertaining drill of the night
Generally at these camps, the team portion of practice at the end is the most exciting.
Not tonight.
The one-on-one drills between the receivers and defensive backs were great because they kept going deep. Who doesn't like the deep ball?
Here are a few highlights from that drill:
- Cassel hit Chris Chambers in stride down the left sideline for six points. Brandon Carr was in coverage.
- Terrence Copper, who has surprisingly come up with a few nice catches the first week in camp, caught a McCluster-esque over the shoulder catch near the sidelines.
- Carr got hit hard at times during coverage. He seemed to have an off night.
Kendrick Lewis looks good
I've said consistently that I think Jon McGraw will ultimately win the safety job opposite Eric Berry but Lewis is starting to turn some heads. He turned in a solid night with several pass breakups including a near-interception.
He seemed to be all over the field in some of the red zone work.
One media member next to me noted after one diving pass breakup, "That's a play McGraw simply can't make." We'll see how this thing shakes out.
Situational drills
The Chiefs did some stuff with the field goal unit practicing their late-game set-up.
So the offense would take the field and throw a ten-yard pass to a player in the middle of the field. The player would have to make the catch, get down, and then run off the field to get the field goal unit on to make the kick as quick as possible.
Todd Haley was detailed in this exercise. At one point, Pope made the catch and just set the ball on the ground. Haley pointed out to Pope and everyone else that he should be handing it to the referee to gain that extra second. Interesting stuff.
Ryan Succop, by the way, killed it in this drill. One media member next to me said, "Look at that. That's 45 yards and he makes it look like nothing."
Other notes
Leonard Pope -- all 6'8" of him -- jumped for a high Croyle pass. His height can come in handy at times.
Corey Mays batted a Cassel pass down early in practice.
Jamaal Charles showed nice hands on a catch near the sideline. He had to look back for the ball then position his feet to stay in bounds.
Dexter McCluster and Javier Arenas took most of the kick and punt returns with Maurice Leggett rotating in there.
Dwayne Bowe had an excellent catch in the end zone. With Carr in his face, Bowe turned around, caught the ball that went inches over Carr's shoulder and held on. Nice concentration on the play.
During red zone work, one of the linebackers tipped a Brodie Croyle pass and it was picked off by Donald Washington.
If quarterbacks could be hit, Cassel would have been sacked by Tamba Hali on one play. Instead, Cassel got the play off and went deep to Chambers but he dropped it.
After practice, Tervaris Johnson was carted up the big hill with an ice pack on his leg. No word on what that is. Nothing noticeable happened during practice.
Several rookies were seen carrying veterans pads. Mike Vrabel had an easier walk with no pads to carry.
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I think he'll be OK
I mean, I don’t think he’s ever going to be Flowers but for a second corner? I think he’ll do. My two cents.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has gotten torched by somebody everyday though
and Yeah I was right there in that endzone to watch that catch by DMC! it was AMAZING
by readANDgold58 on Aug 5, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Either that...
or Arenas takes his job…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 5, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he's been pretty solid
for a young corner. Really here recently is the only bad reports, or not so hot reports i’ve heard about him. Maybe it’s the offense playing so well.
I'm hopeful
Just seem to keep hearing about him getting beat. Maybe I need to let go of the Denver game against Jabar Gaffney.
Oh the Denver game.
I have watched that game about a million times now. hmmm yeah, it leaves a bitter taste.
I think he will be just fine...see a lot of rotation with he and arenas in the future
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Me too
It sounds like to me he still isn’t getting his head around. If you guys don’t think every team we face isn’t going to go after him your crazy. Denver proved he can be torched, and it will happen more now than it did. I was really hoping someone like D.Washington would step up and take his spot this year. Man i hope he gets it together, before the season starts.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
Carr will be fine..
As I stated in a previous post… He will be fine in game type situations. He will have help in most defensive sets, and his teammates will be talking to him. His problem is he is not getting his head turned at the right time. It’s just a timing issue, it will be corrected.
He is almost always in great position to defend the ball. Right in the receivers hip pocket.
What a boost
Family Fun Night in River Falls would be a little like this, but with the heat and intensity, this evening practice was so smart on many levels. Opening MNF game being at the top of the list, of course.
According to several players we talked to, this was A.) the closest thing to a game and B.) very much needed at this point.
Great to hear Kendrick Lewis looks good. And Joel… Do you need to just get a room? Logging some miles, huh?
Well
It’s close enough to drive but just far enough away to make it annoying.
I’m going on weekends and the afternoon practices on two-a-days so every other day during the week and all the weekends. Just for a couple more weeks.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel better
I drive 55 miles one way to work everyday :) and I am not the guy that drives the farthest….
I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 5, 2010 6:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
damn
but in this economy if it is a damn good job I would be doing the same thing!
This is our year.
Military....
I refuse to live in a big town…
My definition of a big town..If its got a wal-mart its a big town.
:) Its a good life though.
I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 5, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I once saw a tiny Walmart in a town that couldn't have had three hundred people in it.
I think it was a literal one-stoplight/sign town. The type you might miss if you’re not paying attention. Had it not been for the big blue building, I probably would have.
There are people that drive close to 150 miles back and forth...
Just to work at Ford here… The money is great, but I would just move. Not to mention where they are driving from there is a Toyota plant close by.
Go Chiefs!!!!
hmmm...
…after one diving pass breakup, “That’s a play McGraw simply can’t make.”
makes one wonder if McGraw should stay on special teams and let the rookies run the backfield…
I think Lewis will get the spot if he keeps it up.
But maybe not till after the bye. Or at least MNF. 2 rookie safeties I would think is a pretty tall order.
Yes I think there is some
But, frankly, it’s hard to tell when the defense can’t touch the quarterback. For example, Tamba Hali would’ve smashed Cassel’s blindside (looking at you Branden Albert) but he couldn’t touch him so he had to let up.
We’ll have a better idea of where they’re at after a preseason game or two.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the updates! How did Berry look?
I haven’t really heard much of anything about him in camp so far…makes me wonder.
Predictions:
This year will be better
There's been some really good stuff about Berry
He picked off a pass in 7 on 7s the other day, he’s made a few swats. I’ve noticed him quite a few times in Joels posts lately actually. The crowd is always cheering for him. He immediately jumped in with the starting defense.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
From watching game footage on YouTube....
I get the impression that Berry is the type of guy that would have trouble with “half speed” kind of play.
If Berry was playing like game-day, we’d probably have a few more players with ice packs leaving the field.
Nah Berry's doing fine
Search Eric Berry on AP and you’ll see a couple of mentions of him.
My favorite that comes to me off the top of my head is him knocking down a Cassel pass earlier this week. It was a situational drill and it was 4th down at the time.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
This is Berry after he made the stop on the play I'm talking about
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice pic
He didn’t get in trouble for that did he? =P
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Carr doesn't sound too well
But for a number two corner I think he’s just gonna be just fine. Arenas won’t be taking Carr’s starting spot because I think he’s a better inside corner, rather than outside. I can’t wait for our preseason games to see how our pass rush looks, I really want to see Hali.
While I know McGraw has all the instincts and knowledge of the game, I’m hoping Lewis impresses enough to grab that starting position. If he and Berry team up and become a great tandem I’ll be happy.
Though I’d much rather have Page in camp….have you heard anything about him at all Joel??
I'm writing about Page tomorrow
Basically, no, I haven’t heard anything. It’s like he never existed. No one talks about him.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Page who?
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
by NJChieffan16 on Aug 5, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I figured
It seems like they’re moving on without him completely. So what happens if he doesn’t sign his tender and we start the season? After a while does he become a FA? Or does he just sit there?
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Chiefs own him.
He is restricted unil next season but, if he doesn’t sign this year then they own him next year as well. Chiefs hold all the cards.
It's pretty funny
Last year we were all bent out of shape about Pollard being cut, and now we’re without either of our starting safeties from last season. I really wish Page would’ve worked out, but I guess whatever is best for the team….He’s just hurting himself now.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
And a chance to play on what could be a great team.
by Chiefs_40 on Aug 5, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what we were offering
Or weren’t offering. I mean he was a seventh round pick, and I think he definitely outplayed the value of that contract.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Gunther wants him up in Detroit but, they must not be offering enough. I imagine Pioli will want a 4th or 5th. IMO
I meant contract wise
But yeah draft picks too. I wouldn’t be suprised to see him shipped to Detroit, especially after they just waived one of their safeties today.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the point is
The Chiefs weren’t offering anything other than the RFA tender, which is their right.
That’s in the CBA, which was negotiated by the NFL and the NFLPA. Page is a member of the NFLPA.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't the Chiefs offer anything else?
Is it because he was injured and they weren’t sure what he was capable of now, or just because they didn’t particularly value him?
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
They didn't have to
They were fully within their rights to offer a take-it-or-leave contract that was negotiated by the league and the folks that represent Page.
Why give a guy a long-term contract when you can give him less money and make him prove it again? Besides, I don’t think the Chiefs think Page is part of the future. I don’t think they do now and I don’t think they have since training camp in 2009.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah gotcha
Pity. I really like Page. Liked anyways, I’ve never been one to favor a player over a team. I just wish it would’ve worked out with him.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I agree with you
Page was a good player and I wish he were in better graces with the club. That would’ve meant likely no Kendrick Lewis in the draft but another position would’ve been hit.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
If Lewis comes in and plays like Page did his rookie season
I have a feeling we aren’t going to miss him at all. Is he considered more of a ballhawk or a hitter? I haven’t really seen any of his videos.
It’s gonna be great with him and Berry back there picking passes off :)
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
When he was coming out of college
everyone considered him more of a ball-hawk. He converted from WR to Safety in college.
Only thing is they can't trade Page unless he signs right?
Which means if he doesn’t want to go to Detroit he doesn’t neccessarily have to =/
I wonder how he got along with Gunther. Page and Delmas would be a pretty nice combo out there. I like what Detroit is building, just sucks that they’re stuck with Gunth.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
My hunch
Tells me Page will go anywhere to get out of Kansas City.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
amazing...so many players are loving KC right now, guys chose to stay(chambers)...I wonder when the rift started
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I moved on and it seems they have too but still...what the heck! strange to hear nothing at all
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I'm happy about Bowe's progress
Let’s hope it translates on Sunday’s. Carr will do just fine.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Careful
We were all saying that about 2008 too remember…Everyone was raving about our draft that year and now look at who we kept.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
i hear you
But this is Pioli with a whole season under his belt, and not Carl in a last ditch effort to keep his job.
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
Who we kept?
Branden Albert: Starting LT
Glenn Dorsey: Starting DE
Brandon Flowers: Starting CB
Jamaal Charles: Starting RB
Brandon Carr: Starting CB
….Doesn’t seem so bad to me. Teams would like a class like that.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 5, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy with it
I guess I should’ve thought before I spoke about it, I’m still just disappointed that Cottam, Morgan, and Franklin haven’t really worked out, and most of the other guys are out of the league.
I love the guys you mentioned though, I’ve got all of their jerseys (apart from Carr who I’m pretty sure doesn’t even have one for sale).
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Looking back
Our 07 draft was absolutely terrible. I forget how bad that overall draft is until I start looking at it.
by SoCalChief17 on Aug 5, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
as chicks love chiefs would put it
Albert and Dorsey are busts. Charles hasn’t proven anything. Carr is the worst cornerback in the NFL and Flowers isn’t that great. Am I getting it all correct?
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Most people that don't follow us would say that
You hear experts all the time saying that Dorsey is out of position, or Albert is on the wrong side, or Flowers is too slow to be a number 1 corner. It’s terrible.
shoot, we needed a class like that during the vermeil era...
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
by Joel
Does Morgan get an honorable mention ?
by 65tosspowertrap on Aug 5, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
umm
on Lewis over shadowing Berry… umm know… BERRY has a starting position.. on lock…Lewis on the other hand has to compete at will… so I see why he’s giving his all so he can team up with Berry…witch he will…lol
I think I'm ready for some football now.
CHIEEEEFS
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
"Mr. Pioli is a man who insists on hearing bad news immediately."
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Aug 5, 2010 12:37 AM CDT reply actions
was just thinking how from now on when I meet a chief fan or see one, ill say "arrowhead pride", maybe Ill run into someone with a socal moniker :)
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Im in SD frequently
Have friends that went to SDSU and stayed after.
Sackoff (McIntosh,Goff) like Brangelina.
I was there last night...
And for sure Run DMC and JC were the eye catchers. Its almost like everyone else is wearing ankle weights. We will be here through Saturday.
I know it's not good for you
But I would wear ankle weights before my races and before games, and I’d always do good. Whenver I didn’t wear ankle weights I did terrible.
>_> Just something I was thinking about at 1 AM.
yeah its crazy to think how far we've come from 2.7 and Bobby Wade
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Aug 5, 2010 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, Back to Page for a second....
What would this guy’s trade value be? Does anyone have a gauge for that? I understand he would need to sign his tender. But, if that were to happen, I’m curious what kind of a player we could get in exchange or picks etc.
I think I’d prefer to see us get him in camp somehow. It’s not like we have 3-4 great players yet at that position…More Depth is always good, and heck maybe he could click with Berry and rest of secondary if he’s motivated to do so…. Never too late in my mind for things to work out IMO.
Go Chiefs!!
I would guess a 4th (by KC) or a 5th (by other teams)
If the Don can somehow squeeze a 4th then thats a great trade-off. A 5th is okay but I think Page is worth more than a 5th because he is a starter.
Carr having a not so good camp. What is it?
Our recievers getting better or Brandon Carr not playing good?
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
Not so much fretting.
just curious to know what the people that have gone to training camp think. From what i’m hearing he seems to always be the one in coverage when one of our recievers make a good play. IMO opinion he has the ability to be a great number 2 CB on this team.
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on Aug 5, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
IMO, the advantage
goes to receivers in 1-on-1 coverage drills. It’s tought for a d-back to cover in those situations.
I think we should fret over Carr. The guy has to get his head around. That isnt an easy fix. As a corner you have to anticipate where the ball is.
Carr is a guy thats going to see alot of attention (if you know what I mean). I noticed the D shifting over to help him last night, and I know if I see it, there will be Offensive Cord. that will see it.
Point is, you dont want to have to shade one side of the field.
It’ll be interesting to see how/if the D responds to Carr getting the treatment.
Eric Berry once won a game of Connect Four in 3 moves.
SC: And you probably don't mind all of those Ed Reed comparisons you get?
EB: (Laughs) No, not at all
Joel, I saw what happened to Tervaris Johnson.
Johnson took a pass from Croyle up the sidelines during 11on11 redzone work and was full out tackled by Pierre Walters (who was eventually ripped apart for it verbally). Looked like Johnson’s leg got awkwardly twisted during the fall. I’m not sure if you’ve gotten any word on it today yet, but last night I saw him being helped down the sideline without putting any weight on his right leg.
Can I Just Say...
I’m popping up right now!! News like this gets me so damn excited that I can’t see straight. I cannot wait to see these boys in action against other teams. Hell, for the first time in my life, I’m looking forward to pre-season games…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...

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