Chiefs Training Camp: State Of The Nose Tackles
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2010 11:22 AM CDT
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PrintWe're closing in on one week into Kansas City Chiefs training camp so I figured we'd take at the one position most people are worried about: Nose tackle.
There hasn't been a whole lot of change since last season.
Running with the first team, for the vast majority of the time, is Ron Edwards. I don't think most feel he's the future at nose tackle because of a combination of his age and ability. I think he's an acceptable stopgap but, as some have said, the Chiefs nose tackle is increasingly important with so much money invested in the two men playing on either side of him.
Derek Lokey is a name we haven't heard a whole lot but he's definitely in the nose tackle mix.
"I think probably the best lifter [on the defensive line] is Derek Lokey," head coach Todd Haley said. "
Haley likes hard workers and if it comes down a backup position and all things being equal, I could see him going with the harder worker.
That leaves Shaun Smith, who has received on-again-and-off-again praise from the coaching staff. Of course we hold out hope for him around here because he put up a solid season with Romeo Crennel in Cleveland. For the most part, he's been on the second and third team splitting with Lokey.
Over the next couple of weeks I'll be keeping an Crennel. He's been keeping a watchful eye on that line and I would imagine that his thoughts on the nose tackles will weigh heavily on the depth chart to open the season.
For now, it appears it's Edwards' job to lose while Lokey and Smith battle for the backup job. But, we're still over a month away from the Chiefs having to make that roster decision.
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I really want to read all of this.
But the text isn’t wrapping and the lines just run off the edge of the field and disappear into the void.
Has something changed recently?
I’m using Chrome with default settings.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
The problem cannot be with a browser, but with the autowrap margins being
set too wide in conjunction with the font size setting for this post to fit in the allocated space on AP. A minor adjustment by the Editor followed by pressing the “update” key should repair the issure. But Joel is the only one who can fix it because it’s his post.
I think.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Haven't experienced that
But letting out support team know about it now.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Use FireFox
Problem solved.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
On a military base. I'm authorized to use IE or Chrome.
Though I do have admin rights in this training lab, installing browsers that aren’t allowed to be on these machines is opening a can of worms I don’t care to mess with.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Interesting that they authorize
IE or Chrome, but not Mozilla
by groundedchevy on Aug 4, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a training facility.
And they have some propriety internal training sites / pages.
Truthfully there was probably a hole / security risk in a version of FF from 3 years ago that’s long since fixed – but they won’t put the resources to testing it, or just don’t care enough to.
Since Chrome came out well after FF, they probably tested it, saw it worked and authorized that but never re-visited FF for it.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
It seems to depend on the IT section at each command.
Most of the ones I’ve been to do use Firefox, though it’s less prevalent than IE.
IT Nerd Fire Fox
As an IT nerd Firefox is a lot more secure that IE, maybe not as much as chrome. I would think the govt would really try and stay as far away from MS as possible…
You think that's bad
The version I’m required to run in the lab is … IE 6.
Apparently a couple of pages / sites used for training here were designed ages ago and won’t (or didn’t when they tested it) run on newer versions of IE6.
I’m sure it probably runs fine and is secure on every browser that’s out now. But chain of command, priorities, and all that.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Funny
Since I’m on a military base using firefox every day.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Yup. Nature of the training labs.
Not sure if you’re army or not, if you are you know what RCAS is.
This lab doesn’t even have access to it at all. It’s a separate network for training classes. It’s odd on a lot of levels.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
FireFox portable
Load it on a cd, drag the folder to your desktop. It doesn’t install anything anywhere :)
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Is it still a memory whore like regular FF?
If not, I may try that on my backup laptop at home tonight.
New gadgets always spark my interest. =)
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
It's happened a couple of times in the last couple of days
We are building a fighting force of extwaordinary magnitude.
try compatability view
I had the same problem 2 days ago and switched to compatability view. That fixed it. Click on Tools in you menu bar and scroll down. then click on compatability view.
by ChiefMedicineMan on Aug 4, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
same for me...I'm assuming in the instance where it cuts off for me at least.....
Haley said “nobody likes to lift like Lokey” but that’s just a guess.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Its hosed in Chrome, also. Here’s most of it. Not sure what happened with the last line…
We’re closing in on one week into Kansas City Chiefs training camp so I figured we’d
take at the one position most people are worried about: Nose tackle.
There hasn’t been a whole lot of change since last season.
Running with the first team, for the vast majority of the time, is Ron Edwards. I don’t
think most feel he’s the future at nose tackle because of a combination of his age and
ability. I think he’s an acceptable stopgap but, as some have said, the Chiefs nose
tackle is increasingly important with so much money invested in the two men playing on
either side of him.
Derek Lokey is a name we haven’t heard a whole lot but he’s definitely in the nose
tackle mix.
“I think probably the best lifter [on the defensive line] is Derek Lokey,” head coach
Todd Haley said. “Nobody likes the weight room more than Derek.” Haley likes hard
workers and if it comes down a backup position and all things being equal, I could see
him going with the harder worker.
That leaves Shaun Smith, who has received on-again-and-off-again praise from the
coaching staff. Of course we hold out hope for him around here because he put up a solid
season with Romeo Crennel in Cleveland. For the most part, he’s been on the second and
third team splitting with Lokey.
Over the next couple of weeks I’ll be keeping an Crennel. He’s been keeping a watchful
eye on that line and I would imagine that his thoughts on the nose tackles will weigh
heavily on the depth chart to open the season.
For now, it appears it’s Edwards’ job to lose while Lokey and Smith battle for the
backup job. But, we’re still over a m
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
—onth away from the Chiefs having to make that roster decision.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Much appreciated, Spread
NT info is one of those things I’ve really been wanting to see.
And thanks Joel for the write-up. These kind of updates make AP the place I hit more times in a day than any other (and some day, more than everything else combined).
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
it's working fine for me here at work on IE
at home I always use Chrome and the site works fine
15 line signature goes here.
Not sure what's up with that
But I’m passing the concerns along.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they would
No inside info just my hunch…I think they’d keep two primary nose tackles and another backup that could play in a pinch.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 4, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this...
We only had Ron Edwards last season and traded away ‘The Tank’. This year I expect us to keep 2 at the start of the year like last season.
Then if we keep one for the Practice Squad I imagine Garret Brown makes his way to the team.
Go Chiefs!!!!
wasn't there a breakdown
that showed Wilfork took like 400 snaps last year splitting time
and Edwards took something like 700?
Hopefully we keep another on the roster that is reliable, and can spell each other.
This is our year.
The only 3-4 NT with more....
…is Jay Ratliff with 769. Below that, its SF’s Aubrayu Franklin with 626 and Pittsburg’s Casey Hampton’s with 592. Wilfork took 448 snaps.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
how many did Edwards have?
I could have sworn I saw somewhere where he took almost two times as many snaps as Wilfork did. Maybe I was wrong, but either way I would like to see someone step up like Smith or Lokey that can get in there and provide some push when Edwards needs a breather.
This is our year.
profootballfocus.com..
Edwards took 701.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
thanks again ArrowSpread
so I wasn’t dreaming and hopefully someone can step it up and solidify the backup spot behind Edwards or just take it from him outright!
This is our year.
Hopefully
Don’t hold your breath, though. Wouldn’t want to lose a fellow Knick fan :-)
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
haha
never really liked basketball much but my wife is from NYC and she would watch the Knicks a little so I started watching with her, but living in Oklahoma we have started turning on the Thunder alot and Kevin Durant and Russell Westbook are pretty good.
This is our year.
Great point...
I knew that he was in on the field more often than not, but didn’t know that he was in there that often. If we can put in a big boy during at least 150 of these snaps Ron Edwards will be significantly better.
Go Chiefs!!!!
It couldn't hurt, but of course...
it all depends on what other posistions need as well. I am open to the idea though. We really need a strong push up the middle, that goes without saying.
Seems possible
I just see them trying to hold on to some of their young secondary (Morgan, Leggit, Washington, Langford). Which might cause them to cut Edwards or Smith…I have a feeling Edwards is the odd man out if Lokey is a workout warrior
by groundedchevy on Aug 4, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm still worried about the hub in the defensive wheel.
We need someone to step up & take control of the NT position. Edwards is solid, but age is catching up to him. Smith is an average NT, with no motor. Lokey lacks technique & experience. I ‘m not familiar with how Brown is doing.
We need Lokey to take the bull by the horns & outright be 1st team. He’s young, has the right size & has a good motor. I hope he has a mean streak in him too.
As you recall last year, Haley was complaining about Tank not being mean & nasty like he was in college.
I see Lokey & Edwards as keepers.
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
by ChiefsChance on Aug 4, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Havin the same problems on my iPod touch it spreads it out real bad so I have to scroll back and forth to read it
by kcchiefs19 on Aug 4, 2010 11:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
NT situation = suck.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
At the very least...
Some improvement at the ends should make the NT job a lil easier.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
What?
Over the next couple of weeks I’ll be keeping an Crennel
Let me know where I can get one of those.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 4, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
Lokey
Would like to see lokey get some extended reps at the NT spot. Whenever i saw him in there it was for a couple plays at a time. Hope he gets a chance to show the motor he had at Texas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQD36m_AWAA
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If ya’ll are having issues with how the site is rendering can you let me know what version of IE and what version on Windows you are running?
Thanks
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Chrome on Windows XP SP3 here.
Getting the no-text-wrap issues.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
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by Chris Haines on Aug 4, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm using Google Chrome.
And having no trouble. But this is definately something that I’ve been thinking hard about. Let’s be clear here, Ron Edwards is not a good nose tackle. As far as I’m concerned, he’s definately the weakest link on the line. I’m really hoping that Shawn Smith or Derek Lokey push him and take the starting job.
by BetterRedThanDead on Aug 4, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
ron edwards
also had no one to take his place if he needed to come out for a breather. that, i believe, was most of the problem with him. he did well early in the game.
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Probably stronger
Dorsey looks sloppy. Just kind of soft’ish…not a real specimen.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
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