Chiefs vs. Packers Preseason: How Long Will Matt Cassel And The Starters Play?
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2010 7:31 PM CDT
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Kansas City Chiefs head coach Todd Haley said that he and his staff would convene on Tuesday afternoon to determine playing time for Thursday's matchup with the Green Bay Packers.
It's the fourth preseason game when teams usually pull back on the reins a little bit. Packers head coach Mike McCarthy said on Tuesday they are playing Aaron Rodgers and the first team offense for one series on Thursday. For just one series, I'd ask: Why? The risk far outweighs the reward.
The fourth preseason game generally sees the starters play less than a quarter, if at all, anyway.
Last year, the Chiefs started Brodie Croyle and he played the entire first half. But that's also because Matt Cassel had gone down with an injury the week before and Croyle needed the playing time to prepare for the opener.
This time around Croyle has been out with an injury the last two preseason games and again could use the playing time.
Haley said on Tuesday afternoon, "I think it’s a fair statement that he’s missed a considerable amount of time that adds up pretty quick for a quarterback. I think snaps that he can get will be positive, that’s for sure."
This is my guess on the rotation: Matt Cassel and the starters play 2-3 series and Croyle plays into the fourth quarter with Palko closing things out.
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I want to see cassel for at least 3 series.
Just to get him some more confidence. God knows he needs it after last week.
Run D is the key this year.
by cwebb44 on Aug 31, 2010 7:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe we'll see that much
I could see most of the first quarter.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing about it Joel.
The way Greenbay scores, we could have 7 or 8 possessions in the first quarter:P
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I wouldn't be mad at that.
Run D is the key this year.
by cwebb44 on Sep 1, 2010 12:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Like they couldn't use the work or what?
I say play them for the first half…injuries be damned.
Chiefs Might
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions
Depends on how it goes.
If they look okay on the first drive, I say their night is done. If it’s awful, they come back to get it right. No more than two series though.
Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?
haley has said many times
they are going to do the preseason different, b/c they need all the time they can get. Cassel could play AT LEAST the 1st quarter imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related
with all due respect to the kool-aid drinkers
i imagine that GB is gonna be kicking the crap outa us so i don’t think Cassel plays long.
better to have guys who are going to get cut get their confidence shatter than to have it happen to the starters.
Man I want to join in
A post that has Chicks
LHO
and Home Skillet
I have to be a part of :)
I think Croyle needs to play from the 1st series to the opening of the fourth Quarter.
There is no way that Cassel gets any positives out of this game.
Sit the starting 22 and play the 2nd and 3rd teams.
Winning a game this pre-seaon means squat now
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know Steve
It would be nice too see Cassel take the team down the field and score 7 points on the opening possession. But i also don’t want to see any one hurt that’s a starter either, tough one to call.
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Just wonder
If Cassel doesn’t (could actually be worse than if he doesn’t start) lead us to 7 points.
Croyle needs some reps and Haley owes him some reps.
Will be interesting to see what the Chiefs do :)
Maybe the Sling was part of
The Process
And now I am wondering off into
Roosevelt let the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor territory....
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
That same Process could be why we’re having Cassel throw the ball in the flats to the RB’s all the time. To make teams aware of the threat and to really open up our passing game in other spots of the field.
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It's not like we are going to see Greenbays starters for long Home Skillet.
We could very well win this game, and it would be nice to get one right before the season starts, even if they don’t count.
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i hope we kick their tails from open kickoff to final gun
(crosses fingers)
by Home skillet on Aug 31, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Too bad Brodie had to get hurt or we might be 2-1 at this point, with him in the games late instead of Palko. But I’m beginning to think Brodie is in danger of getting hurt when he passes gas :(
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the O is going well
they will only play a couple series. But if they cant get anything going they will probably be out there till they score and/or get some sort of momentum
One chance to be the only team to slow Rodgers down
Packers head coach Mike McCarthy said on Tuesday they are playing Aaron Rodgers and the first team offense for one series on Thursday
Man that really sucks :(
I was hoping to see what our secondary looked like against one of the best offensive teams. If we could even hang with them.
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i gotta ask this
does anyone think croyle could still be a good q,b, someday ? i see the guy having no durablity and nothing more than a practice q.b……..when will the chiefs can this guy and pick up a q.b. who doesnt get hurt getting off the bus ?
I think he could be
He has the mentality to be a good QB. Watching him fire the ball last year actually sold me. Yet the passes were not always productive. A Starting QB has to protect the Ball, as the backup that is not the job. I would like to see Croyle in a few more Games from Kickoff to the end.
That is not the AP mindset, but it is mine
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Starters for one series only
I’m a little surprised with the comments on Cassel. I listen to that mental midget nick wright drone on and on about how bad our QB sucks. I listen to keitzman cry for hours on end about how terrible Cassel is. The comments here are laughable at best.
In ALL these conversations, one common theme exists. No one has mentioned last years pathetic offensive line. I dont care WHO you would have put behind that line. Favre, Manning, Rodgers…..they all would have sucked. They would have all gotten sacked like crazy.
Is our line better this year? I see some upgrade with Lilja. That MIGHT take us to the middle of the pack on team offense if that line plays well and is healthy.
Cassel played extremely well in NE with a top notch o-line. Put him behind another and he’ll play to that level again. Keep him behind average/below avergae lines, he’ll play like anyone else in that situation. Poorly.
I think we’re still below average on receivers. I know everyone is hot on McClusters tail, but the guy is way too short to be a productive reciver. Not Wes Welker short, Dante Hall short. We all know how well he produced as a WR. Return guy, awesome. As a receiver, he was covered like mad. No different for Dexter. He’s a smaller version of Jamal Charles. Put him up on the trade block and see what we can get. But the fact of the matter is, until this receiver corps can prove they can catch passes instead of drop them, our offense will suffer. But according to the brilliant comments here, Cassel will egt the blame for those drops.
Cassel got sacked a lot in New England too, it's not all about how the o-line plays.
Cassel holds on to the ball too long, looks at he’s primary WR and if anyone is close to him, he goes to his dump off guy. He doesn’t have good pocket presence and is not comfortable stepping up in the pocket. If we could only put Brodies head and arm on Cassel we would have a franchise QB with that combination:P Our WR’s have looked good this preseason, no where near the drops, and with all the short passing plays being called Cassel should be looking great, but he not.
Trade McCluster are you kidding? Dante Hall was a KR on a team with no WR talent IMO, and should have never been put at wide out. D.McCluster has great hands and runs great route’s, D.Hall didn’t have a clue.
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Cavey
Seems some trolls get here early
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Brian if you are a Chiefs fan
there is zero reason to trade a possible playmaker before we even play a game.
The Chiefs need as many playmakers as possible in as much depth as we can get them. Very few here are totally sold on Cassel and that is going to be the gist of the 2010 season. Pioli and Haley have given Cassel all the rope they can afford too without hanging themselves in the process. The fanbase understands this (or Should) so the litmus is Cassel now.
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel’s QB rating was 20 points higher in NE. Why is that? His yd’s per attempt were greater by almost 1 and a half in NE. Why is that? He threw for almost 800 more yards in NE. Why is that?
Did he all of a sudden suck last year playing for KC? I look at the play of the o-line, and who he had to throw/hand off to. Jamal Charles, though for only half a season was far better than any rb Cassel had to work with in NE. Edge goes to KC. He had far far superior WRs in NE. Edge to NE. The o-line is a bit more difficult to judge. I would still give the advantage to NE. His numbers were far better there so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
So where does that leave us now? I agree, our WRs have caught more passes this preseason. Lets pray that stays consistent through out the season. If they can step that up, they might be considered middle of the pack/average. I’m good with that. Theres an awful lot of variables to consider. O-line play and WR play.
What does McCluster have that Jamal Charles doesnt other than game experience. He’s light and short. If you think old Brodie is a injury machine, I cant see McCluster making it through a 16 game season. HOPEFULLY I get proven wrong and he draws the attention of another team. In which case I say trade him. With the serius depth problem this team has, having duplicates in Charles/McCluster is bad to keep intact. Far too many other needs on this team to just ignore.
I'll just say this.
At this point everyone has stepped up except Cassel. Our o-line is playing better, our RB core is stronger than ever, our WR’s are catching the ball better, our coaching staff is better, but Cassel has not shown any signs of improvement from last year.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Based on what?
The Philly game? Given. He played like ass. Based on the entire preseason? Really doesnt compute. If thats you feeling based on something emotional rather than the statistics, I’ll conceed.
Then again, its the preseason. Lets talk 3 games into the regular season and see where he stands and how the supporting cast plays. If were 0-3, everyone else around him is playing better and he has a QB rating of 60 (Croyle-esque numbers), then I’ll conceed he’s not progressing.
The bright spots on offense is by far the quality of the RBs. Everyone else you mentioned have to prove it come game time to me. Ditto with the coaching staff.
Well it sure sounds like Cassel already has your approval, yet the team still has to play 3 games or so to get it.
So my advise is come back in week 3 and we’ll talk, until then don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha.
Guess you want everyone to just agree with you. heh You’ve got a lot to learn there youngster. Proves you havent read what I wrote. Cassel doesnt have my approval, but hes not the leagues worst QB like you’d want us to believe.
I never said he was Brian
I’m 43 years old and from just watching how he has played this pre-season i can safely tell you he still hasn’t changed his bad habit’s. That has nothing to do with his stats or my emotions, and everything to do with his ability to go thru his progressions and find the open WR down the field. He simply looks at his primary WR and if he’s covered he skips the #2 and #3 options and just throws it to the RB in the flat.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If you think that CPT thinks Cassel's the worst QB in the league
Then you haven’t read what he’s written.
And for the record, the bad offensive line that you claimed “never gets mentioned” has been brought up roughly 1,204,509 times.
And Rodgers? He WAS behind a bad line and he DID get sacked a bunch… More than Cassel in fact. And he was still awesome.
The jury is out on Cassel, not mistake. But your arguments are flawed because well, they aren’t true.
“we should trade McCluster”. Classic. :) Here’ have a look at my post from a few months back
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Sep 1, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i wonder if anyone could be more off base....
first off, Cassel was sacked more in NE so you better pick a different argument.
So far this pre-season, he has had a pocket and made bad decisions and thrown behind our “below average” receivers.
Cassel has a way better running game to lean on here than he did in NE.
Nope, if Cassel doesn’t succeed this year, there is no one else to blame. No more scapegoats!
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 31, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
aaron rodgers will play one series on our D n have a 50 yd td pass n be done in the game.
by Dakota23 on Aug 31, 2010 9:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
wow, ur post was so insitful. so cool n smart.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Aug 31, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
A guy can dream right :)
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Scott Pioli needs to call up NE, say listen, we have Jarrad Page, you have a guy in Brace that has had issues.
Page for Brace, move on, we get a big man.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
He should play
3 quarters….. needs the practice.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Brodie is our mascot.
I think Brodie got too used to holding a clipboard and wearing a headset . I like him but, he is not someone to count on . We should have traded him .
Bears eat Beets .
Not very optimistic about Palko
He’s looked terrible so far in the preseason. I wouldn’t want him to have to take snaps in the regular season.
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