NFL Roster Cuts: Chiefs Bottom Of The Roster Position Battles (Defensive Edition)
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2010 12:37 PM CDT
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We continue on looking at the bottom-of-the-roster position battles. We've already looked at the offense and here's a look at a couple of interesting battles on the defensive side of the ball at the bottom of the roster.
- Third and fourth defensive ends: If the Chiefs keep four defensive ends, the starters, Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson are guaranteed spots on the team and I think Wallace Gilberry is about as guaranteed as it gets. I think Shaun Smith, who started playing some defensive end a few weeks ago, has a spot on the roster. He can play nose tackle as well so that's a plus-one when it comes to versatility. That leaves Dion Gales and Alex Magee as the odd men out if four are kept.
- Inside linebackers: The first four on the inside are locks: Corey Mays, Demorrio Williams, Derrick Johnson and Jovan Belcher. There's probably another spot (maybe two) for special teams. The remaining options are Justin Cole, David Herron and Cory Greenwood. Herron was on the team last year.
- Fifth safety: Here are the safeties I think are locks: Eric Berry at strong safety and Jon McGraw and Kendrick Lewis at free safety. That's three locks and I think there are possibly two more spots open for backups and special teams. That leaves Reshard Langford (SS), DaJuan Morgan (SS) and Donald Washington (FS). This is a tough call since it's hard to judge their special teams ability. I'm going to guess Langford and Washington stay. They were both picked by this regime and I'm not sure they're ready to give up on them yet.
It'll be interesting to see how those defensive ends shake out because the Chiefs rotate them in and out somewhat frequently with Gilberry coming in on the nickel defense. After the first four, the inside linebacker job won't be that interesting as the next guy in that group would be playing almost exclusively special teams.
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My guesses:
Gales is out. He just doesn’t do it, and struggled terribly last year when called upon. Magee’s not terribly better, but I think they’ll give the 2nd year guy another shot.
Cole is out. Greenwood’s been making plays this preseason, and Herron knows the system. Cole just seems like the odd guy out. That nullified TD from his holding penalty won’t help, either.
Morgan is out. It comes down to Morgan and Washington…and I think this regime will keep a guy that they drafted over one they didn’t.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Agreed On Morgan
He’s done little to nothing since he was drafted to show he’ll develop into a decent starting player or good backup. Washington’s more attractive because he’s at least an unknown quantity. Morgan will get the axe. They were interested in getting rid of him last year as I recall but had no other options.
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dangled him to Gunther in Detroit
and even then they didn’t bite.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Washington also brings some flexibilty
Being able to back up safety and corner
maybe both?
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
thats what I was thinking
the only one of those 3 that I think have a shot at the team is Daniels
Chiefs Will
Richardson plays some special teams though
I could see him and a guy like David Herron staying on for ST.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Herron needs to go
he might be at the top of my list
too many mistakes, IMO
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Greenwood has two tackles on kickoff/punt returns that I saw
except both plays he got in the way of McCluster and Arenas. I still like the kid and think he deserves to stay, but he’s gotta do a better job of not getting in the way of our return guys.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
by getting in the way
is he getting pushed into our blockers or just posting up.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
so who was he tackling if McCluster and Arenas were returning?
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
He got in McCluster and Arenas' way
Each one of them had a long return going and they ended up running into Greenwood as he got turned around by a blocker. Not a big deal, because he was making good blocks downfield and its hard as hell to get out of the way of a fast one like McCluster, but just something I had noticed.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
yes, herron and morgan need to be cut because they are so awful on ST....
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I think they should keep Alex Magee around. I don’t know if they will but they should.
by squirrelmasterz on Aug 31, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
I think they will
I think they keep 4 DE (Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry, Magee), 1 NT (Edwards) and 1 DE/NT (Smith)
Lokey is the odd man out, as they’d prefer to keep Magee
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
If They Cut Mike Cox
Then Lokey is probably staying because they apparently see him as a DT/FB and that frees a roster spot for another position. Even though Lokey isn’t much of a DL.
Of course, Alex Magee hasn’t proven to be much of a DL.
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I can't see anyway Lokey doesn't make the team
Lokey is part of a much needed NT rotation
And just as UCrawford just stated, they can also use him at FB too, freeing up another roster spot.
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
I dont' think Lokey is going to be used as a FB very often
that was probably just a preseason experiment.
I think they keep Cox and Castille.
Lokey is being given a long look in the preseason, but I’m not sure he’s ready to play NT.
they’ll rotate Edwards and Smith, IMHO
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Agreed
Seems to me putting him in there at FB was an attemtp to find some way to justify keeping him. I think they like Lokey, but it will come down to Lokey or Smith and I’d give the edge to Smith.
Smith will stay yes
because he has been lining up DE and NT
I think it comes down to Gales and Lokey and that is a pretty close battle.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
it's a numbers game, then
again,
Jackson, Dorsey, Magee, Gilberry, Smith, Edwards… that’s 6
add in Lokey or Gales, now you’re at 7, and probably have to carry less LBs, which hurts ST and team speed…
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
then maybe it will be Smith surprise cut
or even Magee, who knows but it sure will be interesting to watch!
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
it will be interesting for sure
and they always seem to find a way to surprise me (and prove me wrong in my predictions)
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Don't both still qualify for the PS
I don’t know that anybody is beating down our doors for either Lokey or Gales, so they should be relatively safe if we put them on the PS. Even then, it comes down to numbers; so only one is likely to stay.
Just saw the convo below on Lokey's PS eligibility
Gales definitely still qualifies.
DaJuan Morgan is gone.
This is his third year, and he still can’t find playing time. That said, I think I would trust Morgan more than Washington if one of the starters got hurt, but I know Pioli isn’t going to get rid of a 4th rounder after one season.
I’d really like to see Dion Gales stay, at least on the practice squad. I like him. I think we’ll keep 6 defensive linemen—Dorsey Edwards Jackson Gilberry Smith Magee.
I think Cole is in trouble. That hold on the kickoff return was a killer. That’s something the coaches will remember.
agreed on all counts
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
ILBs and S
Keep 4 ILB (DJ, Belcher, Mays, WIlliams)
Keep 4 S (Berry, McGraw, Lewis, Washington)
The other spots would be special teams guys, so it depends on whom they like in those roles… I’d be rooting for Cory Greenwood and Reshard Langford
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
OLB needs to be in the mix
for whether or not we keep a 5th ILB. With Vrable’s ability to move inside they may decide to keep 5 OLB’s and 4 ILB’s. Vrable, Hali, Studebaker and Shefield are locks and they may want to keep Walters also.
good point
I think they keep all 5 OLBs, especially considering Vrabel does play inside on Nickel packages
I think Sheffield and Walters both make it (unless Sheffield is unable to play, and goes on IR)
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
I agree on Shefield..
although I’m thinking he may on be put on PUP so they can re-evaluate him mid season.
per recent conversations
they might not be able to do that
something about they have to be on PUP before the training camp starts
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
haha, good one NJ :)
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Actaully it'll be interesting if he does decide to sign his tender
It would put the Chiefs in a tough spot. If they release him he’ll be getting his way, and if they don’t he’s taking away a roster spot?
Predictions:
This year will be better
I'll be surprised if he doesn't sign shortly after the roster is finalized
It’s the only leverage he has left, to try and force the Chief’s hands.
That was serious...
see jmcgoblue’s response above.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the only way that Page signs
is if there’s a prior agreement to an immediate sign-and-trade scenario.
Other than that happening, I think Page sits until after the week 10 cutoff date.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Why wouldn't he just sign his tender and take the choice of getting $1.6m for being inactive
or being released & going to a team he wants to play for?
Predictions:
This year will be better
other than the fact that he'd get fined every day he didn't show up for practice?
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
agreed, TRS ... seems that's the most likely scenario
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I think Corey Mays could be cut
he hasn’t been especially impressive in the preseason and I think Jovan Belcher should take over for him. Maybe leaves a spot for Greenwood or Herron to develop/play special teams. Just throwing it out therre
interesting thought
I don’t think Herron has much upside, but Cory Greenwood very well might…
But, I think they like Mays well enough to keep him, and maybe give Greenwood a PS spot
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
agreed
I doubt Mays gets the boot for some reason. Greenwood with the position switch and all they are probably going to try to keep him on the PS.
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I mean cory Greenwood, from Canada
not Bobby Greenwood, who now plays RT
I think Bobby gets cut outright.
Cory has some potential, and as people say, would go back to Canada instead of sitting on the PS
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
I'm still not sold
on Greenwood immediately heading back to Canada if he’s not on the 53-man roster. He would make more in Canada this year, but his chance of making an active roster next year or in year 3 means he’d make more money in the long run to stick around the NFL. I think he can become a very good LB, but it will take a year or two to develop him.
I don't think Mays is cut
Unless someone surprising shakes free from another team.
I don't think we should be penciling Lokey in at FB...
after his one play on the goal line. That could have easily been any other fattie lead blocking.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
I still think he makes the team though
even if it isn’t as a FB.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Not sure...
I am rooting for the guy… BUT… if it comes down to him or Magee, as I kinda think it does…
do they like him enough to dump a 3rd round pick?
doubt it
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
which sucks
because if he has played better than Magee, shit can Magee. But everyone knows Im not to high on him anyways so Im pulling for Gales or Lokey.
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Lokey and Gales
are both practice squad eligible Magee is not so, I think they will keep him and put either Lokey or Gales (or both) on the practice squad.
interesting I didn't know those two were eligible
hopefully they pass through waivers.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
I think they keep 7 D-linemen
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Jackson, Magee, Dorsey, Edwards, Gilberry, Smith AND Lokey?
that would probably leave them a little light on LBs, though…
the 53 man limit is pretty restrictive
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Lokey>Gales = Magee
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Peter Griffen > Homer Simpson
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
disagree on that
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Homer Simpson>Peter Griffen=Lisa Simpson>Meg Griffen + Stewie Griffen>Maggie Simpson
Solve for Stewie Griffen.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 31, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
+Beefcake
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 31, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Lokey>Gales>Greenwood>shake-weight>Magee
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
How about
(Atwater x Lynch x Polomalu x Lott)^Reed = Berry
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Aug 31, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
One thing good about this thread
…it’s gotten to the point where we can’t decide who to cut to get to 53 players.
I remember when we couldn’t decide “who was worse to cut” and get to 53.
I think this year it’s made it a bit more difficult to decide compared to the last few years.
Joe Theismann:"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
by THE_TRUTH on Aug 31, 2010 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
absolutely
hopefully, it’s even harder next year
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Gales stays
He is better than Smith, Lokey, and Magee. Just watch the tapes. He is huge and can draw double teams. Magee doesnt draw doubles.
Gales has the favor of someone or he wouldnt still be here. He paid his dues on PS last year. He is one of the 53!
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
I love your loyalty, Matty
I’d say Magee/Lokey getting cut would be the most likely scenario that would result in Gales on the 53.
Smith seemed to draw double teams as well, and can play NT or DE, so I think he makes it for sure
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Sweet...glad you got my back Stag!
Magee and Lokey need more seasoning….IMO
Smith and Gales have big bodies to eat up Olinemen for lunch…..plus they can play any position of the front 3…..great versatility.
"One of the teams asked me a running back question," McCluster said. "They said when you have the ball, do you focus on the guy who's in front of you or the next guy.
"I told them 99% of the time, I'm going to make that first guy miss. Then, I'm onto the next."
were you just giddy when Gales got that sack?
he really showed some fire and heart there
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
I loved his celebration
I love seeing the excitement come out of players, especially guys fighting for a job.
I haven't watched him enough to have much of an opinion on him to be honest
I think it will come down to whether he’s eligible for the practice squad or not. If he is, I could see them going with Magee/Lokey to start the year, then bring him up if one of them doesn’t play well/gets hurt.
I think Lokey could be eli
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8/24/1648313/nfl-practice-squad-explained-rules
Have no prior Accrued Seasons in the NFL (An accrued season is six or more games on the active roster);
Have one prior Accrued Season in which the player was on the 45-man active roster for no more than 8 games; and,
Have been on the practice squad with a particular team no more than 2 prior seasons unless the team never had their active roster go below 53 players during the two years the player served on the practice squad. If that is the case, the player is eligible for a third practice squad season.
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
List of Chiefs eligible for the practice squad (not including ones that obviously make the 53)
Bates, Jackie CB
Langford, Reshard S
Price, Ricky S
Russell, John LB
Walters, Pierre LB
Gales, Dion DE/NT
Harris, Darryl LT
Greenwood, Bobby RT
Brown, Colin RT
Slate, Cody TE
Palko, Tyler QB
Stull, Bill QB
Williams, Javarris RB
Moore, Kestahn RB
Tucker, Verran WR
Somebody check my homework, did I miss anyone?
by Aesthetist on Aug 24, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions
You can add
Cory Greenwood and Justin Cole to that list.
by ICTChief on Aug 24, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
I guess it depends on how they decide the two seasons part
Have been on the practice squad with a particular team no more than 2 prior seasons
http://www.kcchiefs.com/team/roster/Derek-Lokey/031dc929-cd84-404e-bc9d-ce801477106f
Saw action in two games in 2009 after spending three weeks on the club’s practice squad … Former rookie free agent spent the first 15 weeks of the 2008 season on the club’s practice squad before being promoted to the 53-man active roster for the final two games of the year
If just being on the practice squad at all is the determining factor, Lokey’s not eligible. If they have to be on the PS for a certain number of weeks for it to count, it’s possible since he only spent 3 weeks there last year.
interesting
I would guess Lokey isn’t eligible, but we’ll see
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
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