NFL Roster Cuts: Kansas City Chiefs 2009 Draft Picks On The Bubble
by Joel Thorman on Aug 31, 2010 9:02 AM CDT
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs didn't get a major impact from their 2009 NFL draft class in year one and, judging by the roster bubble players, they shouldn't expect a major impact from them in year two.
There are quite a few 2009 draft picks that are on the roster bubble. From my perspective, I count two of the eight picks that are definite locks to make the team in 2010.
1st round pick DE Tyson Jackson: He's safe.
3rd round pick DE Alex Magee: He's currently on the third team behind Tyson Jackson and newcomer Shaun Smith. If we're going strictly by performance, Magee probably wouldn't make it. But GMs sometimes have a hard time admitting a mistake and releasing a draft pick as high as the third round after just one year. Either way, he's definitely on the bubble.
4th round pick CB/S Donald Washington: The Chiefs switched his position from cornerback in year one two safety i year two. Switching positions after one year usually isn't a good sign for a player. He's currently behind starter Jon McGraw and future starter Kendrick Lewis so there's not much of a future for him if you go by the depth chart. He's young, though, and has a lot of athleticism so I can envision a scenario, however likely or unlikely it may be, with the Chiefs keeping him.
5th round pick OL Colin Brown: He spent the 2009 season on IR so the Chiefs don't have much NFL tape on him outside of training camp and preseason. He's behind starter Ryan O'Callaghan at right tackle and, with O'Callaghan out, it's Barry Richardson backing him up. Like Washington, the Chiefs switched Brown's position from right tackle in college, to guard in year one (before IR) and then back to right tackle. I'm not sure where he fits right now.
6th round pick WR Quinten Lawrence: He was released last year and spent time on the practice squad. His skillset doesn't seem to have a place on the Chiefs roster. They've been giving him chances to earn a job as a returner but to this point Javier Arenas and Dexter McCluster have outperformed him. He works hard and does what the coaches ask but I'd be surprised if he made the 53-man roster.
7th round pick RB Javarris Williams: He probably got beat out by Jackie Battle for the third running back spot. He didn't play last week which could mean a couple of things: The Chiefs are definitely going to release him and don't want him to get injured costing them an injury settlement or he's going on the practice squad and they don't want the rest of the league to get more tape on him when he hits waivers.
7th round pick TE Jake O'Connell: He's an interesting case. If you asked me at the beginning of training camp, I would have said he was a long shot to make the roster. But he showed flashes of some ability at times, maybe enough for the Chiefs to keep him. If the Chiefs keep three tight ends, I see him getting the nod over Leroy Banks.
7th round pick Ryan Succop: He's safe.
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Washington was young coming out wasn't he?
Sometimes those guys take a bit longer to come around. He certainly has the physical measurables but really needs to put the actual football part of his game together.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Yep he came out 1 year early.
I can remember them saying if he had stayed in college he might have went in the first rd this year.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Alex McGee
I don’t know what it is, maybe his name, but I like this guy… Whenever he is in the game he always seems to be around the ball. Not always making the big play of the tackle, but he’s alway right there. For a team that needs depth, I think getting rid of McGee would be a mistake.
and appatenly if I looked above...
I would have spelled his name correctly… Where is my edit button?!?!?1
by Stone Throwers on Aug 31, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say there's zero chance they give up on him already
Not just because of his draft position (which is a factor) but also because he’s big, strong and healthy. Maybe if he shows little motivation to improve over this season he’ll be released next year, but there’s no way it’s going to happen now.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I don't understand why
Everyone is so down on him. I’ll beat the dead horse here but lineman take atleast 3 years to develop. Especially when they aren’t starting. Give the guy sometime he does always seem to be around the ball.
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
That 2009...
class looks night and day compared with our newest class. I just hope Tyson works out, I’ll accept everyone else busting besides Succop. And Cassel of course if you include him. I think Pioli got us 6 starters maybe this year in the last draft. They probably won’t start right away, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see Asamoah, Moeaki, and Lewis to earn the starting spot sometime this season. And if you include return specialist and slot receiver as starting positions then McCluster and Arenas would count as well. I hope Pioli drafts like for the rest of his tenure.
Don't forget about Belcher
I know he wasn’t a draft pick, but he was part of last season’s rookie class just the same. There’s nothing very encouraging about the other picks, but I’m somewhat forgiving in this one instance, since Pioli had just been hired and didn’t have ‘his’ people in place. My understanding is that he didn’t utilize any of the scouting reports from the Peterson scouts (considering their draft record, it’s hard to blame him too much for this).
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Aug 31, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Pioli and Haley got to the Chiefs right before the draft. It would have made it harder to figure out who they would draft for the Chiefs. Also, Last years draft class overall was a lot less tallented than this years. This years draft class overall was just insane. There were a lot of people on the board at the end of the draft that if they would have been a senior the year before they would have been drafted.
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Tyson
I pray that he works out, but he just is not performing anywhere near what a #3 pick should be. And I’m not much of a talent scout and if I can see that, it’s got to be bad. I’m pretty sure I yelled at the TV when they picked him, but I think I also did when they picked McCluster. We should have one of the most promising D-Lines in the league with two top 5 picks, but in reality, we’ve got one of the worst. That hurts bad. Really bad.
Chiefs Will
Tyson not being evaluated fairly
It sucks that we’re paying T. Jax third overall money. But he was always a mid-first round prospect.
Believing he should perform at a 3rd overall level is like saying that Darius Heyward-Bey should catch balls like a first rounder.
Both of these players were huge reaches, they just don’t have the talent to play up to their draft pick. I hope T. Jax can play at high level but he’s going to need another year to develop in Crennel’s system.
Your crazy...
if you believe Glenn Dorsey was a huge reach in 2008. He was seen as the best player in the draft by a lot of people. He fit in our scheme perfectly at the time too. People would of went ape sh#t if we passed on Dorsey at 5. I think they both have the talent, but Dorsey is playing a position he isn’t suppose to play and T-Jax is lazy.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Aug 31, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Erm what?
Aesthetist mentioned two people in his comment. Tjax and DHB. Nobody brought up Dorsey.
Slowly step away from any sharp pointy objects. You’re freaking out over something you’ve made up in your mind.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Sorry...
I mixed up his post with someone elses. I didn’t get much sleep last night. I wasn’t freaking out if thats the tone you took from the comment.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Aug 31, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
It looks like a mini-freakout when someone accuses another of being crazy, and then points to something that in no way shape or form happened
Kind of like if I said, “You know, water is wet.”
And you replied, “What are you crazy? The sun has always been yellow. It’s never been purple and it never will be!”
A freakout, a breakdown, or perhaps severe coffee deprivation. =)
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Patience
we have two Top 5 picks on the defensive line, but heading into the 2010 season, they each only have one year of experience at the five-technique in their entire football careers. I’ll give them both at least a second year to learn a new position.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Aug 31, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I also think that Romeo Crennel will be invaluable
I honestly think that if you give this guy 2 years with these players and we get a big pass rushing NT next year you will see a lot of improved production out of both of our ends. Also, Both of our ends are using a lot more double teams than they did last year. I am optimistic.
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If Tyson...
doesn’t work out Gilberry has showed promise. And look at the Saints. They only had one 1st rounder as a key contributor to their superbowl team (Will Smith, DE). Lower drafted guys came in and made up for it.
C Grant – Mediocre player, they opted to let him go and sign Wilkerson in offseason.
J Brown – out the whole season, filled in by Bushrod (4th)
R Bush – if weren’t for a handful of games he would be a bust, filled by Thomas (undrafted)
M Jenkins – nickel corner, Porter (2nd) or Sharper (cheap vet free agent).
R Mecham – 4th WR after Colston (7th), Moore (undrafted), and Henderson (3rd)
S Ellis – in the same boat as Dorsey if you ask me.
So thats 2 bust, 2 guys used for depth, 1 injury prone player, and jury is still out on one.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Aug 31, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
good comments, Joel ... one does wonder about some of those guys
I rather imagine O’Connell is safe, can’t imagine them going with only two TE’s … but then, not much Haley/Pioli could do WOULD surprise me at this point (then too, he could be cut and resigned, or cut for a DIFFERENT guy at TE, or maybe Colin Brown is learning that he has HANDS)
find out in a few days for all these guys, and others … as BleedRed mentioned, amazing difference in draft quality from last year to this (imagine where the team MIGHT be had Pioli put any trust at all into Herm’s scouting staff instead of throwing darts at the board as he seemingly did)
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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
We'll keep at least 3 TEs
With Tony M’s injury histor, there is no way we go into the season without a backup for him.
With Bewsaf reporting how often we go with Double TE's
and Moeaki’s injury history…..
Maybe we keep 4 TE’s on the 53.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, O'Connel will be a placeholder
For Tony Gonzales’ return next year. ;)
Predictions:
This year will be better
As bad as this team is it take a pathetic draft to already be considering cutting fools.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
We're Not As Bad Of As Denver
They’re already considering cutting Alphonso Smith, who they traded a first round pick for last year so they could grab him in the second round. He’s getting outplayed by a 7th rounder and was a non-factor last year.
Dumping a third round pick after one year isn’t good, but it’s not nearly as bad as having to cut a player after one season who cost you a first-rounder.
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I think Lawrence and Williams go...
And the rest will make the roster. Maybe Lawrence will end up back on the Practice Squad. I like the kid…I just don’t know if he’ll ever make in the NFL. Williams has never impressed me, so he’s free to go as far as I’m concerned.
Hopefully, some of these guys will start to show us something this year…and we can all stop talking about how bad the 2009 draft was. I don’t think I’ll hold my breath while I’m waiting for that to happen, though.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
I would hate ....
to see Colin Brown go…he is a home grown monster who brings his lunch pail to work. I think he could help this team now and in the future.
Brodie's better than Cassel
by choirboy on Aug 31, 2010 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I Agree
But I can’t find another Lineman that I would cut instead of Brown. We can only carry 8 or 9 lineman if you have more than that it hurts the depth for the rest of the team. Here are nine that i would keep and I can’t choose Brown over any of them. Niswanger, Wiegmann, Lilja, Ndukwe, Waters, Asamoah, Alberts, O’Call and Richardson. Everyone of them is needed more than Brown this year. I’m glad I’m not the one making cuts.
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by mysonmylife on Aug 31, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Brown over Ndukwe
Unless they can stash Brown on the PS
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Aug 31, 2010 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I would do
Keeping Brown gives us 4 tackles, and Niswanger and Asamoah could play either guard spot if needed
I’m scared to go into a season with only 3 offensive tackles.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Aug 31, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree brown over ndukwe
but isn’t ndukwe a swing tackle?
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We always do Mock Drafts for the Future.
Lets do an after thought Mock draft
1. Mark Sanchez. QB – USC
2. Phil Loadholt – OT – Oklaholma
3. Louis Vasquez – G – Texas Tech
4. Austin Collie – WR – BYU
5. Macho Harris – CB – VT
6.Myron Pryor – DT – Kentucku
7. The Kicker
by craig in calgary on Aug 31, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions
Sounds good, get it done :P
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Upon further review
That draft doesn’t really address our defense…then again, neither did the actual draft.
by craig in calgary on Aug 31, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
And yet I'd argue our defense is ahead of our offense right now
so what does that say? Maybe the guys running the draft know more than we do…
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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 31, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Sanchez
Ugh…Really? Have you watched any of the Jets preseason games? I wasn’t impressed
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
His numbers are as good as Cassel's
Plus he can actually throw the ball more than 10 yards.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Put Sanchez behind our line
You can throw the ball over 10 yards if you WR’s don’t have time to get there before you are hit. If we would have started Sanchez last year we would have killed the guys pro career. David Carr anyone?
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh, the "Blame the OL" argument is getting really weak
I was wholeheartedly in agreement last season, but the line has been upgraded and is close to average at this point. Cassel’s fumble against ATL & at least a few of the sacks are on him, not the OL.
Predictions:
This year will be better
To be fair
I’d call that fumble 50% Cassel not stepping forward, and 50% O’Call because he shouldn’t have had to.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
lol
Cassel doesn’t know how to step up in the pocket.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Brodie doesn't seem to have a hard time doing it, with the same o-line
You can blame it all on the o-line if you want.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow!
So the guy who can’t stay healthy for more than a game or two hasn’t had any problems with our offensive line?
Okay.
No he hasn't
He just has a hard time walking around without getting hurt, which sucks because i like Brodie and wish he was our starter if he could just stay healthy.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember the game
last year where Cassel had been hit on like 90% of his pass attempts. I thought Cassel continued to step even under the pressue he was under. Reminded me of Warner. I not the biggest Cassel fan but I think he was the best option available and I love his leadership and toughness. Another thing I like is the fact that he appears to be able to get it done when it counts. I remember many 4th qt drives where Cassel gave us a chance to win the game. The D just blew it for us.
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Preseason
Let’s see what Cassel does during the regular season.
And though the OL argument may be getting old for you, there’s no denying that the Jets are way better there, and you can’t simply dismiss that, simply because you’re tired of hearing it.
Oh, I agree that the Jets OL is much better than KCs
And I wasn’t really making an argument in favor of Sanchez, but against using the OL as an excuse for Cassel not performing well. I’m still a Cassel supporter, I think he played better last season than he has so far this pre-season, so I expect him to be a solid QB for us. That said, I’m not giving him the OL excuse anymore, barring a rash of injuries there.
Predictions:
This year will be better
My try
1. Brian Orakpo DE/OLB – Texas
2. Cassel/Vrabel
3. Terrance Knighton DT/NT – Temple
4. Shawn Nelson TE – Southern Miss
5. Johnny Knox WR – Abilene Christian
6. Bernard Scott HB – Abilene Christian
7a. Julian Edelman WR – Kent State
7b. Moise Fokou LB – Maryland
7c. Ryan Succop K – South Carolina
not a good draft class
not going to live in the past but probably time to move from a few of them…hopefully this year makes up for it….so far so good.
Could we just trade Jackson for Sanchez?
I would be happy with that :P
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
no thanks
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Aug 31, 2010 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Even though Sanchez hasn't looked to good this pre-season, i would take him over Cassel anyday.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
So start a fantasy league and do just that.
But keep his stink off of my Chiefs.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Aug 31, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah your right Cassel has been great.
So you can have him ok.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
No, Cassel has been average.
Sanchez has been terrible.
Average > Terrible in most places.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Aug 31, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats funny because the stats say different.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
So Sanchez's 12 TD / 20 INT ratio
Trumps Cassel’s 16 / 16? (while being on a far worse team than Sanchez)
Or was it Cassel’s 37 pass completions for 20+ compared to Sanchez’s 34. If mean if Sanchez has megatron rocket arm and Cassel can’t lob it past the line of scrimmage with a running start, then surely nfl.com’s official stats page must just be lying to spite you?
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
What the hell does last years stats have to do with it?
Cassel went 11-4 before he came here, did he match that the next year?
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Team sport
Did you see our Oline last year? Did you see the Jets? And Cassel still complete more passes? How do you explain that?
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Key word is "LAST YEAR"
Last year we went 4-12 does that mean we are going 4-12 again, please try a different argument.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
"LAST YEAR"
Is the only thing we have to go by, regarding Sanchez. If not last year, what else makes him better than Cassel?
Well yets see.
Sanchez is still learning, what Cassel should know after 5 years in the league.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
You want me to base my arguement on the future?
That is just speculation…..I try to use at least some logical sense in my arguements…
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
even tho I can’t spell argument…
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Compare Cassels First year to Sanchez's first year
They both were on good teams. I think its a better comparison.
Cassel 63.4% complete 3693 Yards 21/11 td/int 47 sacks 270 rushing
Sanchez 53.8% complete 2444 yards 12/20 td/int 26 sacks 106 rushing
Hard to say Sanchez is a better QB…Cassel’s completion rating was still better compared to Sanchez’s last year and which team had the most drops by WR?
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who gives a shit what happened LAST YEAR!
It doesn’t mean a thing about how they will or will not play this year.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Well fine maybe I'll use Preseason (which makes no sense to me)
Sanchez 31/48 comp/att 64.6 comp% 2/2 td/int
Cassel 34/50 comp/att 68 comp% 2/1 td/int
I’d rather have Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd than Sanchez for a 1st still. At the sametime Sanchez is still playing for a team that has an oline that can block…
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
Sanchez does have 35 more yards than Cassel…So I guess if Mcclusters catch wasn’t called back for holding they would have the same yardage…
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Well i have to agree
But this all started out with me wanting Sanchez with our 1st pick, if we would have still made the deal for Cassel i would have been fine with that too. That way Sanchez could have rode the bench for a couple of years behind Cassel, then we would have our franchise QB. IMO Cassel isn’t that guy, which sucks to say, but that’s how i feel.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I respect that argument
I feel we needed help on the Dline and our roster was too horrible to have two starting QB’s. Regardless if Tyson pans out or not we needed help there. Personally I would have perfered oline with the pick. I think we need to sign a vet dlinemen and olinemen next year. We have enough projects on the roster. If we pick a NT with our 1st pick next year I’m going to SCREAM!
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Get ready to scream, because it will most likely be a NT, because our team is to tight to get a good free-agent in here.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, our team is so tight
That’s why fans are still bitching about Cassel’s so-called “$60M contract.”
Yeah I probably will
I don’t think we did bad in FA this year….Karlos Danbys and Boldin are the only ones I would have been interested in….and I think we tried hard for Boldin but which team would you rather play for right now? I also liked Chester Taylor but I’m just fine with Jones.
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I was also wishing
Henderson would have gone to us
by groundedchevy on Aug 31, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The NFL network listed his stats, but i can't find a total now.
But the completion numbers were close and Sanchez had more yardage.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess that's fair
I put a lot more emphasis on TD/INT ratios. I’d rather score 16 touchdowns than 10. And I’d rather throw 16 interceptions than 20. Yards don’t matter to me unless we score.
by Vince D on Aug 31, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm talking about this pre-season stats.
IMO going by anything someone has done the year before is a mistake. The jets are bringing Sanchez along slowly, and in the end he will be a franchise QB, but i have to wonder about how Cassel will do, because of what he’s done this year. He still hasn’t shown any pocket awareness or the ability to step up into the pocket and make a play. Maybe it’s a trust thing with him but for our teams sake, he needs to get over that fast or we’re in for another long year.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Preseason?
Wow, that’s your argument, preseason stats?
I’m sure Casey Printers is still available…
by Tarkus on Aug 31, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LoL
I said their numbers were close and that all i said. I’m not making a comparison of the two by stats in the pre-season. When this whole conversation started i said i would take Sanchez where we picked Jackson. But IMO Sanchez will be a better QB than Cassel, so yes i would rather have him.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily disagree...
…that Sanchez is a better prospect than Jackson. I just haven’t seen anything YET to suggest he’s better than Cassel.
IOW, saying someone would be better at #3 than Jackson is damning them with faint praise.
If i was starting a fantasy team, Cassel sure as hell wouldn't be on it, neither would Sanchez
But then again I’m 43, this is really life, and I’m not talking about a damn game.
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You think Cassel looks bad
wait to see Sanchez without a running game.
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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 31, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh
We don’t have a running game?
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Last i heard we were #2 this pre-season.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Crossed wires?
He’s saying if you think Cassel looks bad – take away the Jets’ running game so they have to rely on Sanchez airing it out. That being the case, you’d see more of the aforementioned bad than you see from Cassel on the Chiefs.
He never said anything about the Chiefs’ running game. Just that Sanchez is bad, he (lucky for him) had a stellar running game to hide behind last year.
Thought it was pretty straightforward on PVC’s part.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Yep crossed wires
I still think Sanchez will be just fine, after all it’s just his second year.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't read it right
But if you want to use insults i can go there too.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
There were no insults. Now you're just making things up.
Just said it looked pretty straightforward. Mayhap it wasn’t, and I was just that lucky soul who got what he was talking about. So I bothered to take the time to clarify.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Yeah that's pretty much calling me a idiot.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope, that you calling you an idiot. I did no such thing.
Sometimes wires get crossed reading things on the Internet. Happens a few billion times every day. Even things that seem like they should be pretty obvious may just be flat out misconstrued by no real fault of anyone.
Getting defensive about it when someone clarifies it is entirely up to you, however.
(would you have preferred I said, “No you dumbass, it means this this and that”? Because I didn’t, as I understand it’s obviously just an innocent miscommunication)
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Well thanks for your help then
But i think i could have put it a different way instead of how you did.But then again i guess calling calling someone stupid like you did is ok, thanks for clarifing it for me.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 31, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
they will all make the roster
Or the practice squad
I think…
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Aug 31, 2010 10:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
wow
In Pioli We Trust.
Chiefs Might
by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 31, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions
This first draft sucked major.. I dont understand why the hell Pioli didn’t use NE’s scouting knowledge.. He obviously was prepared from NE scouting players over the course of the year.. Pioli had a working knowledge of alot of these prospects, especially the ones in the higher rounds. He just screwed the pooch with these picks..
To be fair...
its pretty hard to find starting caliber players after the 3rd round. That draft wasn’t very deep at all. Pioli was taking flyers on guys with raw skills, but great athleticism. If Tyson and Cassel work out I will forgive the rest minus Succop.
by I_Bleed_Red. on Aug 31, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't just scouting draft picks
Pioli had very little idea what he had in Kansas City. He was trying to balance what he knew about the current roster, and the available draft picks. Now that he knows the roster, and has his own personnel guys in place, his second draft speaks for itself.
by Tarkus on Aug 31, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Both Pioli and Haley came in late, without their own system in place. Jackson and Magee were picks that were solely based on need. Pioli knew that it was possible that Dorsey may have been able to convert to a 3-4 DE, but it was far from a certainty. And who else on the roster was remotely capable of it?
So beyond the other factors, the 3-4 switch critically needed DE’s. Of course they traded the 2nd rounder, which leaves rounds 4-7, which are a crapshoot to find contributors, let alone starters.
by TheScootness on Aug 31, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely agree
They couldn’t use NE’s scouting or Arizonas for the Chiefs. There were different needs.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
Chill out people...
This is their second year and we didn’t even have a 2nd round pick. I still think we need to give Magee, Washington, and Brown a few years to develop. How long has Richardson been on our team? He is just now starting to show some promise. If we happen to cut all 3 I imagine 2 years from now people would be complaining about us releasing at least one of them. We were a bad team with no depth we can’t stash these players behind solid starters at this point and let them develop. There is basically 160 picks between round 3-7. How many teams have star players from these rounds last year?
So what?
If they aren’t getting it done then cut their asses! I don’t care where they were drafted. Both Vermeil and Herm (Vermeil especially) had a habit of holding on to shitty players.
There’s definitely a lot to be said for giving players time to develop, but I like how Pioli and Haley seem to be able to admit thier mistakes. They signed and cut guys like crazy last year. If a draft pick didn’t work out then move on.
gruden liked magee, but said at the time it will take him a little while to adjust...
I think hes shown more than t-jax
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I would love to see Magee put on 30 lbs
It he were to do that, he could be a great NT probably.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
I want to keep washington,brown,lawrence(gunner) with magee, and jackson(of course)
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
and succop....but the one that can go IMO remains to be Oconnell, but with slate getting cut nvm on that one
then there is javarris…I really like williams, I just think we have battle pushing really hard as the short yardage guy who happens to be our best special teamer at HB
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
i wouldnt be suprised if javarris williams is still on the roster
He played well in the first game, and apart from the tipped ball that led to the interception, he looked good in the 2nd game too. It was inevitable that he wasnt gonna play vs Philadelphia, because the 1st team were always gonna play the first three quarters, then they will want to look at the players on the edge of the roster to get a better look on them before the first roster cuts. Look for him to play a lot on thursday, and look for him to play well as he fights for the roster
besides, with Jackie Battles versatility to play both FB and TB, i think the Chiefs could get away with only one FB (cox or Castille)
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