Chiefs Coach Haley: 'We Don't Have Enough Depth Anywhere'
by Joel Thorman on Aug 30, 2010 6:56 PM CDT
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Kansas City Chiefs coach Todd Haley took the podium for his press conference on Monday talking about, among other things, the upcoming roster cuts.
In response to a question, Haley put it simply: "We don't have enough depth anywhere."
Yeah part of it's coach-speak but it's a pretty accurate statement with the Chiefs. Where are the Chiefs deep...running back? Is that about it? Maybe defensive end but there are a lot of unknowns there.
"I've said we're going to have to win games a certain way and it's not going to be pretty," Haley continued. "We're going to have to do a lot of things right and have a lot of things go right for us. One of those is staying healthy."
Indeed the Chiefs need to stay healthy in order to be competitive and overall that's what they've done.
Nearly two weeks from the start of the season, they've got just one starter (RT Ryan O'Callaghan) missing practice with an injury. It's unclear where O'Callaghan stands with that injury in regards to the regular season opener.
Last year the Chiefs weren't able to do the basics like staying healthy and in-shape and couldn't win many games. This year they've been able to do those sorts of things so it'll be interesting to see how much of a difference it really makes.
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well he isn't fibbing on this one
we dont have alot of “quality” depth. We have guys that are going to dress and play in the place of someone else, but they probably aren’t going to be very good.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
ehhh
didn’t mean the not very good part, just that they probably aren’t going to be the quality that we are looking for. For once the roster is shaping up fairly decent, but having quality depth would go a long ways.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
an 83 million dollar payroll speaks volumes on Quality depth
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
good point
we have to open up the vault sooner rather than later.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
I'd rather we opened it on second contracts for:
Flowers, Hali, Studebaker?… DJ?… Bowe, etc…
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 30, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
speaking of Process
I’m off to watch the Royals!
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
I know it's easy to bitch about the payroll...
But seriously, what would you rather have?
A possible inflated ego that another team let shop the market… or a developing stud like the above mentioned names. We drafted/acquired these guys, and they’re coming along well… let’s keep ’em Chiefs rather than fill the roster with high dollar free agents that we have no idea about in terms of team chemistry and personal goals. The last thing we need is a Haynesworth.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haynesworth is one player
There was plenty of available players (Dansby, Peppers and Boldin) who would have been HUGE additions to the Chiefs…but we had to pay for them.
by craig in calgary on Aug 30, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, he's ONE player...
But how many times have we seen free agents get big contracts and fizzle out?
Dale Carter, Javon Walker, Ahman Green, Emmit Smith…
Oh, and Boldin’s got a broken wrist (I know it’s not his fault… but still), and I have suspicions about Peppers. A lot of folks were questioning his work ethic and drive…
We’ll get a good free agent in time, but we’re not ready yet. Let’s be positive that we KNOW about what developing talent we have before we start adding pieces.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 30, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
perfect example for what I'm getting at
Releasing Kawika Mitchell, throwing $ at Kendrell Bell
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 30, 2010 7:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
great example
maybe not going after the “big” name FA’s, or just being extra careful would help. I feel confident that if we did sign anyone that our Management would have looked at every possible scenario and would only sign a stand up guy.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Thomas Jones?
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 31, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
There will also be a floodgate of FA's once they reach a CBA deal
2 years worth all become UFA. We can spend some money then, and keep our current guys. Seems important that our players see that if you do the right things our organization will take care of you.
I'd rather be a failure at something I love than a success at something I hate.
- George Burns
Ah yes. Newton's 2nd Law. Stickin' all those guys @ RFA the extra year means pent-up supply.
UFA might be a free-for-all, the next go-round. Quite a few stars who don’t feel they’re getting their due. It could be mighty fat pickin’s for a team with extra $$ under the cap.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
we had to pay and they would have to want to play here.
last year all three of those players you listed were franchise players or just under contract. it’s been proven over and over again that spending big money on free agents doesn’t work. very few players have taken a big contract and free agency and been awesome. there are some but they are few and far between.
The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells
Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells
Dansby's the ONLY one who would have madfe any sense for us
Peppers would have been a HUGE gamble, switching positions, and has Haynesworth like quit in him.
Boldin is injury prone and old.
Pioli was very wise to pass on those 2, even though he did make an attempt at Boldin, but smartly wasn’t willing to give up too much.
I totally agree RGB
I like most of the depth that Haley has questions about.
Maybe a NT or an ILB, or a RT would be possible spots to spend a little money on for the right player
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
and not second guessing, looking forward to possible players available
in the next week
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now i would take a high dollar stud at NT( no homo) :P
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
by CPT.Caveman on Aug 30, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
another good point
I would like to see them remain in KC for a long time. Speaking of money, just give me Alex Magee’s contract and cut him, okay Clark?
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Develop Talent
Draft depth. Maybe sign a vet or two. But we are still developing. Signing a bunch of guys that won’t be here in a few years hinders the development of our team. Worry about signing the big FA when your team is in the playoffs you just need that extra something to win a SB.
by mdchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pioli is smart enough not to kill the budgtet with a lockout on trhe horizon
and developing players who show enough potential will pay big dividends if the roster is expanded for an 18 game schedule. It may not be popular but is smart, I repeat SMART, and then after a new CBA is signed go and fix this team with a few aspiring,young , talented free agents.
I’m honestly glad we don’t have a huge payroll. Now is not the time to have a huge payroll. You wait for your base to develop, pay them, and then maybe fill in here and there with free agents. Throwing money at your problems is not the answer – just ask the Redskins. A guy like Peppers would help, but for what, to go 6-10 instead of 4-12? Those are the type of guys you sign after you become good.
+1
And, I assume Pioli probably wants to keep key contracts spread out time-wise just as badly as he wants to keep salaries sane. For example, you wouldn’t want to get in a situation where, say, your best WR and your best LT both started contract disputes the very same year that you need to replace your over the hill star running back…
The path to Victory is made of losers.
Man, that scenario sounds eerily familiar
Now what kind of second rate organization would let that happen I wonder…
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by Steve_Chiefs: I think the payroll speaks more to the starters, than the depth.
They appear to be trying to draft and develop as many of their own money players as possible. At this stage, this team looks like its problem is getting the BEST players at the given positions to actually be good, and not so much that the next guy down the list is that much worse than the starter.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
i feel pretty good about our OLBs
tamba and vrabel holding strong
studey sheffield walters developing strongly… not comfortable, but i think this is a solid group
Good points
Vrabel to Studebaker seems like it’ll be an easy transition. We’ll see how Sheffield comes back but he wasn’t looking too shabby at all.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 30, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Its amazing how much value we could end up getting for that second round pick.
Even if Cassel crashes and burns, the value of having Vrabel around our other LBs and him basically developing Studebaker from a PS guy into a guy who could be the future at that position is easily worth a 2nd rounder to me.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Developing confidence in part of our front 7?
Oh, what a difference one 0-3 preseason can make.
The path to Victory is made of losers.
i wonder how Scott Pioli feels about Haley basically saying
that the team doesn’t have enough talent ie Pioli not getting the job done?
i know, i know it’s only the 2nd season
don’t worry scott … take your time, no hurry.
Scott is watching the waiver wires intently
But what position is he looking to upgrade?
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
how about we stop scrounging the waiver wire and go get starters?
2nd offseason straight that he basically said "don’t make too many changes, just let our new coaches “coach them up”
i wonder what coach he’ll change next year so we don’t have to sign anyone
50 million dollar payroll FTW!!!
by Home skillet on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He might suprise us and work a trade :)
Hopefully not a two’fer O-lineman trade with Miami.
Maybe a disgruntled over-weight NT from San Francisco?
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Aretha Franklin is getting up there in age though ;)
I would rather draft one next year to develop behind Shaun Smith (who is looking food by the way).
One of the founding members of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fanclub
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 30, 2010 9:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha!
No freud was not involved in that, just big hands and a little keyboard on the blackberry.
One of the founding members of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fanclub
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 31, 2010 9:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Last season was basically a throwaway
Pioli was hired late, and didn’t have time to get his own scouts and other personnel people in place, never mind properly evaluating who was already on the Chiefs. IMO, this is really his first true year as GM, and if the draft was an indication, the future looks promising.
throwaway - (verb) what season ticket holders thought they did with their money last year
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'm not really sure who he was supposed to get this year
Free agency wasn’t that great since the restricted tag got extended a year. A lot of possible quality free agents never even hit the market because of it. Those that were available weren’t the best aside from a few that got mega deals.
We got Lilja and Wiegmann who should start and improve the O-line and Smith who should help out this year in rotation at the very least. Add a draft class that looks to be really strong and I’d say he did a pretty good job adding to the overall talent of the roster given what was available.
by bh13 on Aug 30, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed... and you forgot about Thomas Jones
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Aug 30, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew I'd forget someone
Jones should be a nice addition, whether he helps out on the field much or not (I think he will). He should bring a Vrabel like quality to our backfield, showing Charles and the other young guys what it takes to last in the league a while.
Getting 3 yards per carry is pretty good
for a back who pretty much only carries when the other team knows we’re running it.
The path to Victory is made of losers.
I think you're way off base here,
Haley’s not calling Pioli out. He’s just being honest. I’ve said for 2 weeks that we’re likely to lose every preseason game because of depth. We’re just starting to get starting talent up to par. It takes time. You simply can’t turn an organization around over night. Or at least you can’t count on it.
As for “scrounging the waiver wire”… It’s just what the good organizations do. Remember that Gilberry and Studebaker were UFA/waiver wire steals. So was Chambers. There are many phases to talent acquisition… WW is just one method.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 30, 2010 10:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
As far as I know
His knee is messed up. He barely practiced at all with the Bengals I think.
Coach Grude chose the Chiefs to win the division... Heres what he had to say...
1:KC Chiefs
*Best Case Senario – San Diego and denver stumble, while KCs youth movement – RB Jamaal Charles, LB Tamba Hali, WR Dexter McCluster – Lead the Chiefs to a surprise Division title.
PROJECTED RECORD – 9-7
2:San Diego Chargers
*Best Case Senario- An improved D and running game – sparked by RB Ryan Mathews – Compliment that awsome air attack.
*Worst Case Senario – OT Marcus McNeill and WR Vincent Jackson hold out the entire season and the D sputters out of control without departed NT Jamal Williams.
PROJECTED RECORD – 9-7 Lose Tie brake to KC
3:Denver Broncos
*Best Case Senario – Eddie Royal and Rookie Demaryius Thomas fill a huge void at WR left by new Dolphin Bandon Marshall. FA adds Jamal Williams and Jarvis Greene fix the run D.
*Worst Case Srnario – The oldest Secondary in NFL History (average age: 32.8) Plays Like it.
PROJECTED RECORD – 8-8
4:Oakland Raiders
*Best Case Senario – Newcomers Kamerion Wimbley and Rolando McClain boost an underrated defense , Turns out departed QB JaMarcus Russell really was a problem all along.
*Worst Case Senario – Turns out Jason Campbell was the problem in Washington all along.
PROJECTED RECORD – 5-11
Source: ESPN the magazine September issue Titled NFL Preview 2010…
Football Then Hockey 7 days a week...
wow he is actually going to say that about us?
I mean I know he has hyped up every player/team that has came on MNF so far, just didn’t expect to see us on there!
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
yea...
and considering we play the chargers on monday, he easily could have hyped thm over us
Football Then Hockey 7 days a week...
What no Gruden Oakland love
whod of thunk it
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy Gruden hates the Raiders still...
Just a note I noticed in the Oakland game the other day. Although their front seven appears to be improved i would be worried if I were them because they are basically running 6 dlinemen and one rookie linebacker in their front seven. There were numerous mid routes where the three linebackers(I use the term loosely) were all bunched up and had no idea what to do in coverage.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 30, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Cable
Will just have them punch out the nearest player.
Maybe each other!
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 30, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this quote in context was meant like..
“you can NEVER have enough depth at any position”
KC has more depth than last year, but there is room for improvement
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
I was surprised
to see Haley say “It wont be pretty”. Thats kind of like saying, “Were not going to be that great of an offense”. Well, thanks Coach, Im glad I have an average, inconsistent offense to look forward to. Atleast I wont get my hopes up. Good way of selling tickets!
Chiefs
Royals
Mizzou
People complain...
…about Haley dodging questions, but when he gives an honest opinion, he’s criticized for that too.
I don’t think he’s just talking about the offense either. He just realizes that he still has a young, developing team without a lot of depth, which places more emphasis on the little things.
by Tarkus on Aug 30, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cassel getting sacked or hurried ain't pretty
and his development will be slower because of it. Having to use a back or TE to help block with the RT will limit what the O does as well. It ain’t pretty when we get blitzed up the middle and the back to block it is already focused on the outside helping the RT.
I think he's saying
That this team won’t be awe inspiring because they aren’t ready to be yet. They will have to grind it out on the ground which isnt always pretty, but its highly effective. I’m from NY, and the Jets were anything but pretty, and they went to the AFC Championship game…
Matt Verderame
Marty ball is not considered "pretty", just effective.
I think Haley is saying to expect a whole lot of running plays from the Chiefs and not much in the way of a passing attack, at least not early on.
As a perfectionist head coach
he sees all the same deficiencies that we do. How many wins in NE’s superbowl seasons were pretty? Not many, so him saying this doesn’t bother me 1 bit.
by RamX21 on Aug 30, 2010 8:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Haley: "hold still, there's a fly on your helmet ... I'll get him, hold very still now"
oh, wait … I thought this was the “Caption This” thread …
never mind!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Todd: "sshhhhh...patience, my pet...patience."
TJ: “but, he was-”
Todd: ep, ep..shh-shh-shhhhh….patience."
I wonder how often....
Haley and Pioli go into their office…throw their feet up and say….“how did Carl Peterson f**k this team up this much?..there should be an award”
Team Berry
by MasterBlaster7 on Aug 30, 2010 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
I call it coach speak
He want’s to keep these guys motivated. You have to expect every coach to say things like that at this time of the year. No team has enough depth. As young as this roster is, they don’t have many proven players. So these young guys can’t be coddled into thinking they’re secure in terms of earning a spot. I wouldn’t read much into it.
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i have no problem with ugly wins
especially when all we have seen in a while was ugly loses. ugly wins,pretty wins,close wins and blowouts whatever just bring em on !!!!
I cant wait to see the NEW ARROWHEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chiefs will be competing for a division title in 2010
by Bleedzredngold on Aug 30, 2010 10:03 PM CDT reply actions
I'm watching Season 2 of Nip/Tuck
Dr. Troy was with a post-op Transvestive. Her problem was also she didn’t have enough depth.
I probably shouldn’t hit “post”
by craig in calgary on Aug 30, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions
No one in the NFL has "quality" depth
With the advent of Free agency, it became pretty much undoable.
I think we have more “quality” depth than many teams at RB, DE,CB, and possibly WR, and C(2 possible starters).
I Think This is a Pretty Misleading Headline
Because Haley said it’s a league wide problem, NOT just a Chief problem, and that “coaches are never going to be happy with the depth”. It’s a Nick Wright/Babb way of taking something said at a Presser ENTIRELY out of context, and stirring a controversy where none existed. You can do better than that.
parcells mindset that 2-3 plays change the game.
of course, with special teams.
this will be a battle for field position all year. Team Colquitt. Team Arenas
Big plays from charles/mccluster/bowe…managing the game from cassel/jones
defense scores points, makes big plays, bends but doesnt break
ugly wins, 6-8 of them…lets hope it starts against the chargers.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
pound the rock control the clock
Play defense and win by field goals ugly but effective.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Aug 31, 2010 3:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Haley is being honest...
…this team doesn’t have a lot of talent. For instance 4 guys competing for the 2 ILB spots doesn’t mean they have good players there.
Brian Simmons
Ou fan back again. Simmons if healthy would provide depth for the offensive line. Played both tackle positions and I think he played some guard and center at OU. Worth a look.
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