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Chiefs Preseason: Ground Game Scouting Recap vs Eagles

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Preseason Week #3

CHIEFS vs Eagles

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Chiefs-icon_mediumThe Chiefs came prepared for the Eagles by having a few new formations they had not used during the preseason.  You can also bet that Weis and Haley threw in a few of those new formations just to see how their players would react.

In general, the Chiefs are well ahead of where they were last year.  A lot more formations , more advanced line-play early in the season, motion to recognize coverages.  It all adds up to the simple fact that the Chiefs will look better on offense.   Whether looking better means a lot more scoring remains to be seen.

What were the Chiefs looking at during halftime?

Lets take a look... 

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Please refer to the Bewsaf Past Posts button at the bottom of this article for any inquiries into past ground game scouting reports for the 2010 season.

The Chiefs preseason O-line grades for the Eagles came out on Sunday.  Click on the Bewsaf Past Posts button at the bottom of this post to get to the link if you cannot find it.


Chiefs Ground Game Halftime Report:

  • The way the Chiefs started they probably where happy to see that the Eagles had not taken advantage of some missed opportunities.
  • The Chiefs liked to run strong against the Eagles.
  • Most of the Chiefs running success this preseason has been when they employ a TE and a Fullback.
  • Charles gets most of the gun formation carries. 
                                        PRESEASON TOTALS
Run Plays Draw Plays Base/Zone Plays Pulling Lineman
Weak Strong Weak Strong Weak Strong Weak Strong
12 17 7
4
4
6
0
4
Yards Yards Yards Yards Yards Yards Yards Yards
35
71
35
6
11
36
0 22
2.9 avg
4.1 avg
5.0 avg
1.5 avg
2.7 avg
6.0 avg
0.0 avg
5.5 avg

Play Chart Notes:

  • This week the Chiefs did not pull their lineman as much.  That might be a result of the Eagles having an athletic defense that blitz a lot.
  • One big gain by Charles made the run plays to the weak side come up to a 3.8 average.  If not for that play...most of the success running the ball game to the strong side of the formation.
  • The Chiefs ran a lot more Gun formation during the Chiefs game which results in more draw plays attempted.
  • T. Jones was only involved in two draw plays.

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Formation Frequency
Ace Double Tight:  4 plays
Gun Doubles Open:  10 plays
Run Left: 2
Run Right: 1
Run Weak: 3
Run Strong: 1
Avg Gain: 2.0
Avg Gain: 5.0
Avg Gain: 3.0
Avg. Gain: 3.0

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Draw Plays: 00
Pull Guard: 00
Draw Plays: 04
Pull Guard: 00
Base/Zone: 03 Base/Zone: 00

Formation Notes:

  • The bulk of the plays in the Eagles game was run from the Guns Doubles Open formation.
  • The Chiefs introduced the running back cross during the Eagles game.  This is when both backs cross after the snap to confuse the LB.
  • As you can see, above.  The Chiefs liked to run the zone plays in the Ace Double Tight formation and Draws in the Gun Doubles Open.

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Formation Frequency
Gun Doubles: 3 plays
Pro I: 2 plays
Run Weak: 0
Run Strong: 2
Run Weak: 1
Run Strong: 1
Avg Gain: 0.0
Avg Gain: 10.0
Avg Gain: 4.0
Avg. Gain: 13.0

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Draw Plays: 02 Pull Guard: 00
Draw Plays: 00
Pull Guard: 00
Base/Zone: 00 Base/Zone: 02

Formation Notes:

  • Jamaal had three of the four carries in these two formations.
  • Charles only had one carry in a formation with a fullback.  In that play he scampered for 13 yards.  Charles has some skills that make him the first choice to run the ball in one back sets.  But maybe he needs to get a few more carries in formations with a fullback.

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Formation Frequency
Pro I Double Tight: 3 plays
Formation
Run Weak: 0
Run Strong: 2
Run Weak: 0
Run Strong: 0
Avg Gain: 0.0
Avg Gain: 3.5
Avg Gain: 0
Avg. Gain: 0

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Draw Plays: 00 Pull Guard: 00
Draw Plays: 00
Pull Guard: 00
Base/Zone: 02 Base/Zone: 00

Formation Notes:

  • This formation was only used during short yardage.
  • Battle and Jones got one carry each in the Pro I Double Tight formation.

Other Formation Notes:

  • A handful of other formations were used but the Chiefs did not run out of any of them in the Eagles game.

 

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Click On "Bewsaf Past Posts" for more past articles

*Chiefs Preseason: Breaking Down The O-Line Tape - Primer *What You Look For in an NFL Offensive Lineman - The Basics

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*The Good Citizen

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Great work Bewsaf

I really enjoyed this. Interesting that you say the OLineman weren’t pulling. Guess they worked that out in the second game.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 30, 2010 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Jr

Got a lot of work pulling against Tampa, yep.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

This takes a little work..

So glad to know people want to see it.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

its very encouraging

even though we are losing the games, you are saying the OLine is farther along than they were last year. I really hope they get off on the right foot to start the season instead of trying to put it all together during the year only to finish strong.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 30, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope they get off on the right foot to start the season instead of trying to put it all together during the year only to finish strong.

+1

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are excellent.

Would love to hear your thoughts on how the FBs are doing. Not sure which of your posts it would be more appropriate in, or just how much more work that would require.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 30, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

probably just a little more.

Since I do not grade them I can only speak on what I notice as I am grading lineman.

I see a mixed bag on the fullbacks. One moment I see a great block and the next I see one missed. I tend to notice the missed ones more because I am looking for which lineman missed on his assignment and I find out it is the fullback.

Again, without grading them…I’d say adequate.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Any preference between the two?

As far as I can tell so far, I like Mike Cox as a lead blocker more than Castille, but I’m not always sure if he’s blocking the right guy. I also think the Lokey at FB experiment was less than stellar.

...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.

by Sudden on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really enjoy these

Just for the simple fact that I like to stare at stats. Going to be interesting to see what kind if trends develop as the regular season goes on.

by Clam Hammer on Aug 30, 2010 9:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Hey

thanks Clam.

During the season I will do the entire game.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome as always, man

Rec’d.

It’s nice to see that our running game is shaping up nicely. I’m more confident about this upcoming season than I have been in a long, long time.

Thanks for your hard work

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by Chris Sembower on Aug 30, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

excellent work

I wish I had an intelligent comment to make. Write ups like this make arrowheadpride more then just rambling opinions… makes us all better and more informed fans. Reminds me of the difference between say a Chief’s fan and a donkey fan. oops

by dt58hit on Aug 30, 2010 10:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Admittedly though,

I have to say that MHR is probably the second best NFL blog for analysis. They have some guys on there that provide quality write-ups, but nothing that compares to the detail and analysis of Bewsaf on offensive line and Kalo on defensive front 7.

...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.

by Sudden on Aug 30, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else get the feeling...

That both offensively and defensively they are picking one thing each week to focus on?

Week one seemed very basic on both sides of the ball.

Week two offensively looked like sweeps and screen while the Defense blitzed really heavy.

Week three offensively looked like they were working on shotgun and defensively looked like allot of stuns and zones…

Maybe I’m just over simplifying things, but I get this perception.

By the way this quickly becoming my favorite weekly article! Keep it up!!

by Stone Throwers on Aug 30, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

ive been noticing the same things Stone

that is what the preseason is for and they should wrap them all together against GB this week.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 30, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

precisely ... Stone is spot on, and yes, that's exactly what preseason is all about ... practice, practice, practice

in the regular season is when you put it all together … right now, none of it means anything except in terms of “how well do the guys on the team get it and do it”

we shall see in a couple of weeks …

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by upamtn on Aug 30, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

It also helps with the record...

Looking at it this way makes me feel WAY better about being 0-3. And Haley’s comments also support it. Knowing that they wanted to see the Offense or Defense do one or two things well, regardless of the situation or scheme makes it more palatable.

by Stone Throwers on Aug 30, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

last year

alot of people thought we quit against the Eagles in the Regular season. While we may have, Haley shut down the passing game and started running to see what he had. That wont happen this year because he is going to know what he has.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 30, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are right

Either that or Weis found out about my article and is trying to make me work harder by introducing more formations.

Bewsaf@comcast.net

by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

Weis what an ass

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 30, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent!!!

I guess that’s better than a Casshole :)

by Stone Throwers on Aug 30, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow, awersome and I can't imagine the hours you had to put in to make all this happen ...

… too bad none of us are intelligent enough to actually make sense of what those diagrams and charts actually mean for the team in terms of “how many games will the Chiefs win in 2010?”

great work as always, Bews!

Existentially Yours …

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
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by upamtn on Aug 30, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

to bad I really don't watch the film and just put down some numbers

I think Joel and Chris are going to have to start paying mileage on my dvr.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

so

you do it automagically?

The most important thing you can do in life is help other people.

by dklogue1 on Aug 30, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I need that thing in that movie "Click"

Or something like that.

Not really, I enjoy it. I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, as always, for taking the time to do this kind of analysis, Bewsaf

This is delicious content right here.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Aug 30, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Food for the brain

for the stats hungry fan.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

And rec'd

 I feel like you should immediately pull these stories in case the opposing team’s defensive coaching staff becomes aware of them.

Nicely done.

Training camp is starting? Time to rack up enough brownie points with the wife to last the whole season. Roses: check. Cavasia: check. Gimp Ball: check.

by mushin on Aug 30, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't worry

The donks and the Graiders (on my nerves) would have to agree to dynamite their stadium with their teams in it before I handed over our secrets.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd sign off on that trade.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Aug 30, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great work as usual

An excellent observation on the habit of using Charles without a FB. While, like you said, his skills make him an ideal “single back” RB, he also has the vision to follow a FB.

On a side note, is anyone else starting to think that my prediction may come true and McCluster gets around 8-10 carries in a game? Because it looks like it’d be a waste of talent to NOT give him the ball out of the backfield.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he might

especially in situation when the Chiefs are running in an Empty back formation and then, without subbing, McCluster shifts to the backfield and takes a hand-off.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's a good idea, Bewsaf

It makes it tougher to tell what a team is going to do when they don’t have to change players to run different sets.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

So the defense is in some kind of dime (1 LB)

and the Chiefs are running some set with 4wr and 1 TE. Then McCluster shifts to running back in a no huddle and now the Chiefs are running out of Ace Doubles and running the ball.

sweet.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assuming the Chiefs...

Run 35 times a game, as I believe they did against the Eagles. I would guess Charles and Jones would split 30 of those carries. That would leave 5 for the rest of the backs, including McCluster.

And that’s assuming the Chiefs aren’t playing from behind, which would significantly reduce the number of available carries. I just don’t see where there’s room for McCluster to get that many carries. Touches? Yes. Carries? No.

by Tarkus on Aug 30, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am guessing

5 to 7 carries at the most. Mismatch type of plays and formations.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

After thinking about it...

7 still might be high.

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by Bewsaf on Aug 30, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think even 5 is more of an upside, rather than an average.

The Chiefs are going to want to establish some type of rhythm on offense, and trying to do too much gimmickry is not conducive to that.

by Tarkus on Aug 30, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may be true to begin the year

But what if he keeps running for over 5 yards a carry?

Jones will get more carries for sure, yes. But McCluster has actually looked better running in our style of offense.

I think he’ll demand (through his play) more carries over the course of the year.

The carries I’ve seen Dex get have been anything but gimmicky. He gets it on a toss or a sweep and he’s turned the corner before the D can react.

Maybe 10 is too high, but like I said, if he keeps averaging over 5 ypc they’re going to have to figure out a way to incorporate him in the running game.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll cross that bridge...

…when we come to it. So far, he’s yet to take a single snap in a regular season game, when teams are game-planning for him.

There are already some questions about how to split carries between two elite backs. I just don’t see throwing a 3rd back into that mix in any way significantly. There’s a reason why he’s listed as a WR. He’ll get some carries, to be sure, but again, touches are the key for such a versatile weapon.

by Tarkus on Aug 30, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point on the touches

I don’t know if I’d call Jones elite though, especially behind out line.

I’ll be happy (like you) if he gets enough touches to take advantage of his ability. He’s above and beyond (thusfar) what I thought he’d be.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just me...

But I think a guy coming off of five straight 1,000 yard seasons, and was third in the NFL in rushing just last season, is an elite back.

As great as Charles appears to be, Jones is actually more proven.

by Tarkus on Aug 30, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's very good

But I’m going off more what I expect from him on our team.

The Jets O-line is considered one of the best in the business. He doesn’t have that luxury here. It’s been well documented that he struggled to close the season last year, too.

He’s more proven than Charles, for sure. But Charles is a better player than he is at this point.

I expect Jones to help us a lot. But I’d be willing to bet that he averages at least an entire ypc less than Charles, and maybe Dex as well.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 30, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe 10 touches, but I doubt 10 carries, for McCluster.

by Tarkus on Aug 30, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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