Chiefs vs. Eagles Preseason: Questions Are Answered
by Joel Thorman on Aug 28, 2010 10:30 AM CDT
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PrintBefore the Kansas City Chiefs contest against the Philadelphia Eagles, I threw out a few questions I had about the game.
Now that the game is over, let's see if any of them were answered.
Can Matt Cassel put up two good performances in a row?
I'm not sure I would characterize this as a good game. He completed 14-of-23 passes for 85 yards. He also had a touchdown pass to Dwayne Bowe and an interception. Last week he completed 14 passes (on 19 attempts) for 125 yards.
So I would say this was a downgrade from last week but not a game-killer by any means. It was very....average.
Can the offense score more than one touchdown in a preseason game for the first time since Aug. 28, 2008?
Yes! The Chiefs did this. They scored two offensive touchdowns.
More impressive was that the Chiefs first touchdown came on a 16-play drive, about half of which was run with a no-huddle offense. The second touchdown came courtesy of a Kendrick Lewis interception. He picked it off at the 47-yard line and took it back to the 26-yard line.
Can the defense finally tally up over two sacks in one game?
They zipped past this one. Both Andy Studebaker and Demorrio Williams had a sack and Dion Gales fourth quarter take down made five on the night.
If there was one positive you had to take out of this game, it's these sacks.
How will the inside linebackers line up?
Derrick Johnson and Jovan Belcher have been on the first team of the depth chart the last two weeks. I was leaning toward saying those two would be the starters in week one but Demorrio Williams went out and had a heck of a game.
If there's one thing this game didn't help, it was the idea that the decision at inside linebacker will be an easy one.
In the nickel defense, the Chiefs continued with Mike Vrabel moving inside and Andy Studebaker coming on the outside. Because of Studebaker's abilities, this is a must.
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Study
Study looks to really be developing some pass rushing skills. Having him in in long yardage situations looks like something that can really help us stop all those 3rd and long conversations of the past. HIs motor is over the top.
Motor
Having a motor that dosent stop will take you along way in this league. We have to look no further than Jared Allen to see that. I think this kid can be a special player, and ofcourse he has a great tutor to help him along.
by Big_Chief on Aug 28, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
And having him fresh for just those situations could make him a great weapon for us. If Romeo can keep finding ways to utilize our talents we will see some big plays from a lot of different place. I think a lot of different people with have sacks and not just one person with a bunch.
Love the Stud-E-Baker...
but someone has to teach him the technique of shedding blockers. He is getting to the QB because of his motor and quickness, not his techniques. I see the same in Hali. Both do not seem to quit and perseverance eventually overtakes the OL they are battling at the moment. If both of these cats can learn some swim moves or other techniques, they will be extremely dangerous and opposing QBs will become the prey more often than not…
2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...
by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 28, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Shouldn't Magee have been credited with a sack also?
he was chasing Kolb on one play where Kolb didn’t even cross the line of scrimmage, looked to me like Magee should have gotten a sack…..
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Kolb had been flushed out of the pocket already
And was outside the ‘tackle box’ before he had been engaged by Magee. So it’s a run with a tackle for loss.
Sucks, but that’s the rule.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
damn
at least Magee got his name called a few times last night, and was somewhat NASTY!
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Nasty you say?
I’ve heard that term used before here…
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by nateforchiefs on Aug 28, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel has been pretty average overall IMO
but more weapons around him this year and a new & improved Bowe will help him immensely as so evidenced by the 2 TDs. He’s tough and a pretty good leader which is what the Chiefs need more than a HOF QB. That will come later.
the LBs are starting to look like a tough group and this year, Vrabel’s guidance will start to pay off, I believe.
this rookie class is the best the Chiefs have seen in years, and will be a solid foundation for years to come.
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
by reedeasy on Aug 28, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
IMO Cassel played better last season than he has so far this preseason
I think it’s just timing and getting into game form (hoping anyway). He seems much more comfortable operating out of a shotgun, hurry-up offense too.
As for the D, it’s clear that they are going to rely on blitzing to create pressure on the QB. With our secondary getting better it may actually work, but we’ll definitely be giving up some big plays in the process. In any case, it’s a lot more fun form of football to watch, isn’t it?
Predictions:
This year will be better
The 3-4
Is a defense that has almost constant blitzing. And Cassel has always looked better in the hurry up.
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I liked what I saw from the Linebacking corps -
Maybe they took exception to Haley’s coachspeak about the Secondary or maybe the front 3 are the unsung heros..
Regardless the ’backers as a unit looked good; really good!
Also, prayers go out to Sheffield (get well Cameron!).
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by chiefsfan62 on Aug 28, 2010 10:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Cassel
sure does look avg. He had 2 seperate pass attempts to te Moeaki. On one drive he threw it behind him as he was running across the middle about 5 yards from line of scrimmage. The lb was able to get his hand on it causing us to fail on 3rd down. A simple pass for a vet qb, lead the te!
Then I saw cassel throw a deeper ball to Moeaki as he was running across field (i do like that cassel is looking for this kid as i think he is a playmaker) and once again it was behind him and it was tipped by moeaki and then picked off, cassel’s fault! That was frustrating to watch. I see reports about Leinert being labeled “Captain checkdown” but cassel is deserving of a nickname too. His yards per completions are short, his passingcan be behind receivers and he doesnt throw a deep ball (not sure this is his fault as we dont have that wr, i was hoping to see horne get a few deep passes last night). thoughts?
Cassel’s play will obviously hinder or help this team as we try to become a .500 or better squad.
Mr J
KC Chiefs Fan
I agree
There was absolutely nothing special in his performance. They had one great drive where they ran hurry up and he looked comfortable but other than that it was very subpar.
I think a huge part is our O-line, they are excellent run blockers but seem to struggle creating a pocket on passing situations. The one pass I saw Cassel step up was nice and crisp, hook to Bowe I think.
Also, his decision making isn’t quite there left McCluster out to dry on a swing and should have had possibly 2 more picks, one in the redzone trying to force one to Jones
Reluctantly...
I’m starting to agree. I’ve been a big Cassel supporter, and while I still believe we are no where near fully knowing what kind of QB Cassel can be yet, he has displayed an uncomfortable look about himself in the pocket. I can only assume that is from having a year behind our bad O-line last season, and through the Tampa game, has looked similar in a collapsing pocket, and DEs running around the right side. However, Cassel at times, needs to take just a couple of more seconds in the pocket, especially if the defense is only rushing 4. I get that on many of our pass plays, we only had 3-4 WRs, including the TE and RBs, and initially they may not have been open, but that doesn’t mean tuck and run, it means reevaluate the pocket quickly, and give your receivers those extra seconds to get open. Again, I get he doesn’t feel comfortable yet, and it shows, but that is something that has to be coached into him; have the confidence in your O-line
If the Chiefs win on MNF, I'm not changing my underwear until they lose
"I'm not superstitious. I'm a little-stitious"-Michael Scott
He is very bad
at feeling the pressure. At times he holds onto it way too long. At other times he tries to scramble when he still has time. Im not sure how much this can be coached,but he must get better at it or he may find himself as a backup again. We should know this yr if he is the real deal.. I think he is good enough in other areas but, being able to read and react to pressure or the lack of pressure is his biggest weakness.
by Eric's berries on Aug 28, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that was all that Palko had
The guy just simply has the arm strength of a 8 year old girl.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
Since you brought up Leinart
I was wondering today when I was headed to work. Arizona doesn’t seem that interested in him for some reason or another. They are going with Derek Anderson. What would you say to trading Brodie for Leinart and a 5th? Brodie is more talented, but unreliable to stay healthy?
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
Weird
I thought Cassel played, alright, nothing spectacular until I saw his numbers.
14-23 85 yards for 3.7 YPA sure isn’t very good. He did have some zip on some of his completions, but overall his decision making isn’t quick enough with this OLine.
Don't get Jose Bautista Mad. You wouldn't like him when he is mad.
by craig in calgary on Aug 28, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions
Seems to be jumpy.
He checks down almost immediately, and really, his protection has been pretty decent. He just doesn’t look comfortable at all. His two scrambles early on were disappointing. He took off almost immediately. Be patient and then throw it away if need be. Taking more hits won’t help his confidence. Regardless, if we don’t start going down the field more, teams will put 8 in the box again and dare us to throw it.
Defense played okay. Sacks were good to see, but I thought DJ showed why coaches are frustrated with him. Two highlight plays mixed with a lot o missed assignments.
Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?
Maybe he's still haunted by visions of being destroyed by the Eagles DL last year
If he ends up playing like this all season, it’s going to be a very long season indeed.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Cassel
Is a solid backup to me, nothing more and nothing less. Does he belong on our roster? Of course. Is he going to take us to the playoffs? I doubt it. We talk about the o-line as the reason for his checkdown obsession, but there’s one problem- other QBs in the league face the same problems, and yet they throw the ball downfield. Take for instance Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roth. Both of those guys are constantly running for their lives, yet they still deliver a good and accurate deep ball. Matt has not shown the ability to stretch the field at all. I wish he would because he’s obviously durable.
As for the leadership issues, I know that Haley is high on him, but I noticed something in the game yesterday. Whenever Cassel was hit, he picked himself off the ground almost everytime. Good right? No, his teammates should be there to pick him up. Run DMC was constantly getting hauled up by O-linemen. How come these same linemen refuse to help their QB up after he gets it? It was their fault he’s on the ground!! Something is fishy with that. O-linemen will kill for their QB if they respect him. I don’t know if I see the fire for Cassel. I’ll be watching for this during the rest of the season. My fear is we have another Elvis Grbac situation, albeit without Elvis’ considerably better QB skills.
Who in the hell did we bring in off the streets to play linebacker?
Because I’m pretty sure we all know that it couldn’t have been the same LB corps from last year. They played great. They hit everything that moved. Broke up passes, got to the QB, made plays in the backfield. Everything they couldn’t do last year.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I think I can answer that with 2 simple words
Romeo Crennel
by badassz1987 on Aug 28, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
NO NO NO
It was 11 guys off the street……
Now if we could only find 11 guys that can play offense…..
"Chiefs will...crush our enemies, see them drivin before us and hear the lamentation of the women."
by Brian Harris on Aug 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
People need to understand that with the offense we run
Cassel will not be launching the ball down the field, thats not Cassel’s fault. Thats just the offense, we will be a running team with short passes mixed in. Go back and look at when NE was winning their super bowls and Weis was the OC, Brady only averaged around 6-7 yards per pass also.
That's not true
If Matt averaged 7 yards per pass, I’d be very pleased. A 7 yard per pass average would put him easily in the top 10 in the league. The problem is, he averaged less than 6 last year, and he averaged less than 5 last night. Brady was in the top 10 in yards per pass in his Super Bowl years of 2003 and 2004. Cassel was 25th in the league last year.
Brady averaged 8 yards per pass in ’04 which was only 1 yard off of the league leader (Peyton Manning 9 yard per pass average), and he averaged 7 yards per pass in ’03 which was only 1 yard off of the league leader (Steve McNair 8 yard per pass ave).
Cassel averaged something like 3.7 yards per pass last night. That’s unacceptable
The problem with bringing up lastyear in your argument is...
That Cassell didn’t have Weis last year.
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Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 28, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Mark these words, they will draft a QB in the #1 slot.
by gregorychief on Aug 28, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i wouldnt say that
because it really depends on whos on the board
In what year?
I wouldn’t say that for next year, but maybe the year after. Maybe a 3rd of 4rth rounder next year.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
I would say also look at Rich Gannon with the Raiders
Tons of little dump passes for 4-8 yards. But I agree you have to throw the ball down field also.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
DJ had a decent game ... yes Demorrio did too, but DJ certainly didn't HURT his chances
as for Cassel … “average” is a good word …not HORRIBLE but not GREAT … very average … far better throwing to his RIGHT than to his LEFT, and he still can’t throw a DEEP pass … not even close to accurate or a good toss going downfield
Defense looked decent, but CAVEAT: Eagles had a couple of 1st string OLine on the bench from injury all game long, so we were going against 2nd and sometimes 3rd string players there
Offense, at least we know we have a decent running game … but then, we knew that to begin with, I think
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
lol
You don’t give ANY marks past decent, huh. DJ was decent, but so too was Demorrio? Demorrio had a MUCH better game. Ah, I get it. It’s all just decent until it turns into a win. But, our starters did beat theirs. Is that not a win for the preseason?
I guess I’m just curious why you’re so against praising the progress and pointing out encouraging signs that things are on the upswing? Just like with the Berry comment in the other post. The guy has been all over the field, but you point out, really, the one glaring mistake he’s made.
What gives, Nancy?
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah....eric berry looked darn good. We made kevin kolb look absolutely awful after he TORE US UP last year....that in itself, is improvement
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
it's called "reality" ... and my name isn't "Nancy"
… and namecalling doesn’t befit you, ArrowSpread …
or anyone else here … I have opinions, just as you do, yes the team is improved from last year, in my opinion a decent amount, but not to the point that the team is going anywhere (such as playoffs) this year
more to the point, yeah, Demorrio made some GREAT plays, so did DJ … is that fair enough for you? you want more passion? how about this: a good deal of the time out there, Cassel sucked lemons … not positive enough for you? ok, try this: I’m POSITIVE that, at times, Cassel was lousy …
you happy now?
stop being such a “homer” and remember that there are a lot of different ways to look at the same thing … none is more “right” than the other, none more “wrong” than the other … mine no less valid than yours
I’m positive of that
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Aug 28, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh please -- as much as you guys joke around here?
And you get offended by a lil Negative Nancy? Seriously, Ups?
Yea, everyone has opinions, but for some reason you made an attempt to knock mine down in pointing the only glaring mistake that Berry has made thus far, instead of acknowledge that, as a rookie, so far he’s leading our team in tackles, and has made some pretty good plays for this defense. So far, he has looked like an NFL starter. More so than some of veterans on that defense.
Your response to that comment was ridiculous, imo. As is the fact that you or anyone else thinks that DWIll and DJ are playing on the same level. They aren’t. DJ has made very few plays in his time this preseason, even when he played well late into the first game. DWill has brought way more energy, more playmaking ability than he has in the past, and is showing that he wants to be the starter. DJ, comparatively, has done dick.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
what bothered me (most) was getting "jumped" because I *did* point out a pretty glaring thing that Berry did ...
… as if there haven’t been enough “OMG Eric Berry is Superman and he’s gonna lead us to a 16-0 record RIGHT NOW” going on since what, March? yet he does something that Mellinger points out and it’s like “yeah but he’s SO GOOD ANYWAY” … hate to break this to you but … he’s HUMAN
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Wow, real ball of sunshine this morning
I agree that Cassel has looked average.
And that’s better than what we’ve had in awhile. And really with our running game an average passing game can still take us places. I was here in Nashville for a Kerry Collins (seriously, Kerry F’in Collins?) led Titans team being the team to beat.
They did it with a nasty (thanks, jrcnc) defense and a very mean running game – supplemented by a very average passing game that got the job done.
As for our D – Demorrio has looked better than DJ the last two games. It’s not even a close comparison. DJ pulled a Pollard and had a highlight reel hit, then ended up just out of position or whiffing the rest of the time. But people will remember the highlight hits I guess.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I'm a realist as much as anyone else around here, btw.
And me prediction for this season was 7-9. But I’m still going to throw the praise around where I wasn’t able to this time last year. They’ve all a reason to celebrate. Our defense, compared to last year, has played well.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
that's funny, because I've been "predicting" 8-8 ... and still sticking to it
yet I’m the one being called “Negative”
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yes, your response to my comment was negative for no reason
Shrug — just how I see it. Has nothing to do with your prediction. Those are two separate issues.
And on more than a handful of occasions I’ve seen you respond to folks’ comments with this ‘wait n see’ stuff, as if you’re trying to impose your realism on everyone else that sees a different kind of energy coming from some of our players.
Again, that’s just how I see it.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Let people praise that want to praise
If you’re going to be negative, provide some substance on why there’s no reason to be excited. I see improvement. Is that not a reason to be excited?
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough, and let people who point out the negative do so ...
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I will
And until you responded to one of MY comments, I hadn’t said anything.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
look at your own avatar, ArrowSpread ... yin/yang ... life is balance, is it not?
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Certainly is
The fact that you wouldn’t acknowledge that he’s been playing well is why I’m calling you out.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
why, because I provided the OTHER HALF of the assesment? the other half to YOUR post?
I balanced out your comment with my comment … and you jumped me for it … shrug … have a great day
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
lol, your comment came off as attempting to shut down my argument
So no, I don’t believe you were giving any sort of credit to what I said.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
And half implies equal value
Your comment was in no way shape or form equal value.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And you've never got the EB superman homerism vibe from me
I wasn’t one of those diehard supporters like SwimCoach and RGB. What I did say was that he would be an impact player, and thus far has provided an impact in some playmaking ability.
Yes he went under a fullback to tackle the halfback, and yes he put Desean Jackson out of the game. I didn’t say anything that wasn’t true.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 28, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Surely you can't be serious?!
I am serious, and dont call me Shirley.
One of the founding members of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fanclub
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 28, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
airpwane!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
wow
Is this one of those things where like, women get together for long periods of time and they start PMSing together?
"Chiefs will...crush our enemies, see them drivin before us and hear the lamentation of the women."
by Brian Harris on Aug 28, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel's accuracy is just poor
the longer the pass is beyond 10 yards the worse his accuracy is
:(
just don’t know if that is gonna ever change
I fear that it won't, but with a field position team(specialists etc), he really needs to just be a bit more efficient...
I think as long as he isnt turning it over, we will be fine…
just a game manager…but that is kind of hard to do with poor acccuracy
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
This is where Tony G. will be truly missed.
Because I believed that Tony was able to get in the middle of the field and get those 20-25 yard receptions that we don’t get from the receiving corps this year. If it’s a deep throw, it’s usually been going to the sidelines.
by supersoccersteven on Aug 28, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
grown man football in preseason
hit sure was ALOT of hitting in this game!!!!!! OOOOO WEEEEEEEEEE DMC got lit up and got up like nothing happen NICE!! …. folks were playing like it was week 10 and in a playoff hunt now can someone knock some sense into our OFFENSE please!!
Flowers, Carr, Lewis, & Berry = SCARY SECONDARY
NEW ARROWHEAD = BETTER TEAM ... CHIEFS 2011 AFC WEST CHAMPS
RELEASE THE McCLUSTER BOMB!!
Agreed
These guys wanted to bust some heads tonight, and it happened. I was very surprised at how physical both teams played
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
by IISaiNtII on Aug 28, 2010 12:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah that's a good point
That’s the most physical I’ve seen a Chiefs D play in I don’t know how long.
Kind of refreshing.
Now about keeping that run up the middle leak in the 1st Q from happening again…
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
The first quarter was awful to me
Offense and defense caught some breaks thanks to the refs, penalties that could have been thrown, or ones that kept our offense alive. For the most part, I liked that ref crew, they let football happen for the most part.
A couple times I noticed Dorsey get run by lesaun McCoy, and Dorsey was still going to the QB. Cause for concern? I noticed Berry is fast, and more often than not, he was close to the guy who had the ball on almost every play he was in. Demorrio Williams gets my game ball for becoming 180-degrees from how I remember him last year. He was flying around, making plays all over.
As a whole, or defense looked faster than in the past. Last season they looked slow every game, and that is a welcome change.
Our offense seemed fairly healthy after the DOG penalty on Philly on 4th down, and I’d like to compare 1st half stats before and after that. McCluster is stupid fast, and willing to take hit. I’m excited about him, but thought maybe he was used just a little too much last night… Hopefully Charles will be back and McCluster won’t have to rush so much.
As a whole, 2nd and 3rd quarter were hopefully how the chiefs will play all year. There’s still work to do, but they overcame enough of their deficiencies to have been able to win that game, even with a horrible start.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
by IISaiNtII on Aug 28, 2010 12:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
"stupid fast" ... yeah he is
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just saw this on NFL.com
Nice .pdf on stats/plays of the game, I haven’t seen this before:
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
helluva chart there, ty
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I thought so too
not quite what I was looking for, but still lots of good info that go beyond the play-by-play and normal stat stuff.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
D Williams is healthy this year and has a good D Coordinator.
I think that is the biggest difference with him.
One of the founding members of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fanclub
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 28, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Chiefs Press Conference January 2013
Todd really moved us forward. We appreciate his services. However, we decided to go in another direction. “This is a process, we need to build the foundation, we ask our great fans to give us time to build this the right way”.
Haley’s clock management makes Herm look like a genuis. He calls time out so he can set up a play to draw offsides (getting old). The play calling on 3rd down ( he has final say) is horrible. His constant references to his dad and Coach Parcell is very annoying at this point. I think he will go down as the biggest bust of all and set us back another 3-5 years.
I love the chiefs. I hope I am wrong. However, the proof is in the pudding. If he doesn’t get 8-8 this year. We will be looking at another “rebuilding process” in 2013.
by allseeingandallknowing on Aug 28, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions
doubt that if we don't get to 8-8 THIS year it's another rebuild ... and what happened to 2011 and 2012?
we may NOT get to 8-8 this year, then again maybe we will … your point? Haley, as much as I’ve dissed him in the past, hasn’t been at all bad on the sidelines … and yes, it really IS preseason (shocking, huh!)
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Pioli's ego will allow Haley to get to 7-9, 8-8 before he is forced to remove him in 2013
and Preseason does matter. This team does not look competitive and Haley is as big a ? as anyone.
by allseeingandallknowing on Aug 28, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree ... the team DOES look competitive
certainly far more than last year or the year before … by no means perfect, but competitive and improved, and that (as a fan) is all one can ask or expect in a short amount of time
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Actually
This team competed well last year. We were within 6 points on 9 games last year. We just didn’t finish well.
Smile, its the second best things you can do with your lips!
and considering the team was 4-12 last year, I think an 8-8 record THIS year would be a GOOD thing in the minds of SOME fans
including mine
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agreed 8-8 would be good - However - 0 wins is not a good indicator
and a HC should be ready from day 1. If he has to have on the job training then he is not ready for the job. You don’t bring in a Captain that can’t stop a sinking ship from day 1
by allseeingandallknowing on Aug 28, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
until the regular season starts ... everyone is at 0 wins
… and 0 losses
this isn’t the time to worry about winning games, it’s the time get the players ready, they’re getting there, a ways to go yet but getting there
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I, too, hope you're wrong.
I don’t really see the pudding that’s housing the proof you’re touting though.
He’s still new to being a head coach, and it sucks that his first HC gig is in the midst of rebuilding a total (Mc)clusterf**k of a team. He’ll make some mistakes, every coach does, but I think he’ll come out ahead in the long run.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
so was it a mistake to hire a rookie HC
Maybe that was Pioli’s first mistake. I guess we will have to wait and see. It doesn’t look good.
by allseeingandallknowing on Aug 28, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Haley learned a lot last year
I was on his case ALL the time a year ago, hated his “style” and his head games and … just about everything …
but, he’s mellowed a great deal, last year was a humbling experience for him, I think he NEEDED that (and he certainly got it) … in turn, I think he’s grown quite a bit as HC since then
he’s still learning, but he’s far improved from when he first got here
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Agreed
When the TV shows him on the sidelines now, he’s not all fire & brimstone screaming every play.. He seems a lot more focused on the game, rather than living and dying with every play.
From year 1 to year 2, I think he’s showing a lot of maturation, and honestly the TEAM has grown as well. Like I said before, I saw a lot of positives, but there are still deficiencies. I think they’ll surprise some teams this year, and assuming there’s football next season, have a chance to really make a splash.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
agreed, SaiNt
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so you are ok with his clock management?
4 and 1 against Tampa and he burns a second half time out to call a play designed to draw an offsides. Last night, he did not manage the clock well on our second to the last drive and 3rd down and 4th an1 calls are not good.
Again, he makes the final call on 3rd down critical drives
by allseeingandallknowing on Aug 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I was fine with that decision ... it's a "non issue"
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Yessir
Which is why I think Pioli was smart about bringing him in as far as the timing goes.
If you’ve got a guy who is going to be new at being a Head Coach, bring him in one year one of the rebuild. He gets his experience while the team goes through its roster churning and growing pains. By the time the pieces are in place personnel-wise, he’s had 2-3 years of growing with the team (and there’s a lot to be said for that as well).
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
This is year 2 and he is still making rookie mistakes with game management
by allseeingandallknowing on Aug 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
And Herm was a head coach for almost 8 years
and was still making more ignorant mistakes than that. Coaches around the league ALL THE TIME try to draw offsides penalties before calling it back.
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
only if you look at that one play as actually BEING "clock mismanagement"
it wasn’t … we weren’t in FG range, yet he didn’t want to punt if he didn’t HAVE to … a lot of veteran coaches have done the same thing, and would have in that position
so they didn’t draw Philly offsides, so what? so they punt, so what?
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He shoulda went for it. EVERYTIME
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
at least we know that Palko can hand the ball off to a RB ...
always a good thing for a QB, right?
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Haley’s clock management makes Herm look like a genuis
You’re joking right?
If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.
Was going to leave that one alone
But yeah, a comment like that works against one’s credibility.
How quickly we forget the reality of Herm, I think.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
In related news, Todd Haley kicks puppies for amusement.
One of the founding members of The Super Duper Matt Cassel Fanclub
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We all have the right to our own opinions, its just that mine are right.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 28, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel was "very average"???
No. a quarterback rating of 64 is just a little below average.
average for him
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by upamtn on Aug 28, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disappointed in Cassel but the LB corp was exciting to watch
Cassel is starting to worry me .. being a supporter I’m slowly starting to worry that his lack of accuracy and pocket presence are going to be his downfall. He’s going to get someone killed with his poorly thown passes. Damn near got Dexter killed by not leading him properly. Moeaki was exposed big time with that high and behind pass of Cassel’s. He could of been broke in two twisting around for the ball like that. He’s a freaking NFL QB so throws like that are unacceptable. Our other option is Brodie and he’s on the bench injured .. again and again and again. Tyler Palko is not an NFL QB so we’re stuck with Cassel until we either draft or trade for a competent QB. Just sit, grin and bear it is all we can do at this point. Let’s hope our running game is good enough to carry the team since our pass attack is pretty suspect unless it’s only 5 – 10 yrd. passes. The only one’s Cassel can complete.
I am surprised at how well Bowe has played. He’s only dropped 1 pass that I can think of and seems to catch pretty much anything thrown his way. I’ve been a huge fan of Moeaki but he’s not shown up much this preseason. Pope is one big dude but he’s not the weapon that I think Moeaki is. I just hope he’s not another Brodie Croyle and spends all his time on the IR list.
The team is playing much better and I think they’ll surprise people this year. I’ve been surprised and disappointed with the turnovers. This team is not good enough to have to play from behind because of turnovers. For us to have a good year we need to have Cassel’s play improve, the running game to be explosive and burn up the clock while special team’s play needs to be exceptional. When you grade the 3 phases of the game special team’s is where we really shine and have consistently out-performed our opps. Field position and a few run backs for a TD may prove to be keys to how well we do this year.
by RatsoReily on Aug 28, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We were still winning when Cassel left the game
and I dont think that INT pass was intended for Moeaki, I think it was intended for Chambers and Moeaki spun around to try and make the catch
doesn't matter which the pass was for ... cassel threw into a mess instead of hitting Bowe
Bowe was wide open crossing the middle of the field
by Home skillet on Aug 28, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It does matter
if Moeaki doesnt tip the ball then it is probly a completed pass to Chambers. And since he was being pressured he didnt really have time to scan the field
still a bad decision
throwing into a mess with 2 chiefs and 3 defenders or throw to our #1 WR who was 1-on-1 with a defender and was open by 3 steps.
If he hits Bowe in stride then it’s probably a touchdown
part of the QB’s job is to find the open receiver … Cassel didn’t so bad things happened.
by Home skillet on Aug 28, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
The play was a rollout to the left
he didnt have time to set his feet and throw back across his body to Bowe cuz he was trying to avoid getting sacked
if that INT wasn't meant for Moeaki ... then it was a far, far worse pass than anyone imagined at the time
and that was bad enough
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I think people should go back and watch the play again
cuz Chambers was right there to catch the ball
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