Jamaal Charles Got The Start In The Kansas City Chiefs Loss To The Philadelphia Eagles
by Joel Thorman on Aug 28, 2010 8:17 AM CDT
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PrintEarlier this week I said the Thomas Jones vs. Jamaal Charles argument in Kansas City may be one of the most overhyped stories.
But I'm full of hype so we're going to talk about it.
After Thomas Jones got the start against the Atlanta Falcons and Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the first two preseason games, it was Jamaal Charles who kicked things off in the third preseason game against the Philadelphia Eagles. Charles got the start but, well, things didn't go as planned.
On the first play from scrimmage, he fumbled and the Eagles recovered. Turnover. Two plays later and the Eagles were up 7-0.
Here's where I think this gets somewhat interesting...
On the next series, Todd Haley sent Charles back out there again. In fact, he was the featured back in the next two possessions. Think back to this time last year when Charles wasn't exactly on Haley's good side because of fumbling issues.
Early in the season, Charles was actually deactivated (week two) and a big part of that was due to fumbling the football. For Haley to send him back out there after the fumble is a good sign for Charles, I think.
Charles ended with 40 yards on six carries out-playing Jones for the third consecutive week.
Jones' final tally was 30 yards on 10 carries. That included an 11-yard run so you take that out and, yeah, things don't look so hot. However, that 11-yard run was also for six points, something Charles did not do in this game.
Charles flashed some big play ability against the Eagles. He had a long rush of 20 yards and a pass reception for 20 yards as well. He was close to breaking a 70+ yard run at one point but was brought down hard on the play and exited the game.
The Chiefs haven't said anything on Charles (I didn't see him after the game).
Here's the bottomline in all of this: For three straight preseason games, Charles has outplayed Jones. It's not even really close. Haley says he has to "to go by what I see" so maybe that's why Charles got the start.
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I Suspect He's The Starter
Considering Jones’ performance throughout the preseason (just over three yards a carry) compared to Charles’ (more than eight), what choice do the Chiefs really have? Now if he can’t control the fumbling…
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Yeah
The fumbling was definitely an issue last preseason but it wasn’t during the season.
He starts in the third preseason game…I’m betting he’ll get more carries than Jones in the regular season.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 28, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
nobody enjoyed seeing that fumble. Isn't the type of fumble what is important though?
it isn’t as if Charles was running down field with the ball. This was a fumbled exchange. Something Cassel and Charles need to work on.
No, it wasn’t pretty. And I’m not blaming Cassel, but this isn’t a “protecting the ball” issue. It was a mental lapse or something.
Still, it was a pretty ridiculous fumble. Almost seemed as if Charles thought it was a play action or something. Any chance?
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 28, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Cassel doesn't even factor into that one
It was all Charles.
They showed the replay in slow-mo a few times, at least on the broadcast I was watching. Charles’ brain just shut off for a sec or something. Cassel handed it to him right in the bread basket.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I didn't say that it was Cassel's fault.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree with all that but...
Last night was a perfect example of what Haley said the previous week where stated he didnt think the offense was necesarily better when Charles was in. Especially in the first quarter.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
it isn't charles' fault that Cassel is his QB
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
charles is the only thing that saved this offense last season.
and the only thing that saved Cassel from plummeting (literally) to the depths of David Carr.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Aug 28, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Schefter tweeted that Charles hurt his shoulder
But, that’s the most I’ve heard about his exit from the game.
I was glad to see Charles start, but I was also glad to see Jones make a couple plays including the solid TD. I feel for Jones a bit, adapting to our line has probably taken some time for him to adjust from what he had in NY.
3GChief = 3rd Generation Season Ticket Holder
I thought they both looked very good
Indeed I thought the team overall looked very good, and there is a ton to be happy about in this game.
My only real negative observations is Cassel needs to be more consistent and stop throwing balls behind his receivers. Besides the opening fumbled hand-off, that is the one thing I’d change about that game.
At the end of the day, we lost by the total Field Goal in the final seconds, primarily because of a single muffed hand-off. That is a very good sign, because the Eagles are hardly chumps.
Now lets go sack Aaron Rodgers 3 or 4 times please.
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Aug 28, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions
Based on Thursday's showing against the Colts
Next week’s game against Green Bay should be a heck of a test for the D.
I know the starters won’t play long, but the GB back-ups were pretty solid too.
3GChief = 3rd Generation Season Ticket Holder
I watched the game and I agree
Rodgers is for real. GB is for real. If we have a solid showing against them and can get to the QB, we get closer and closer to finally “arriving.”
September 13th can’t get here fast enough, heh. The main thing I’m worried about now is how much I’m going to hurt myself at that game, because the stadium is going to be rocking, lol.
In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Aug 28, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Starters will be out of that game likely after one series.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 28, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
end the silly argument once and for all ...
… start Dex, or Battle
any word on Sheffield this morning???
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Apparently He's Recovering
And progressing. At least according to Rotoworld (who I think got it from the Star).
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gosh I want him back of course, but I just want the guy to be able to walk...function...
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I haven't understood the whole "who will be the starter?" controversy
It’s as if we’re all 16 year olds and Charles is a new car…everyone wants to run the wheels off of it. Having Jones here will just give us more miles out of Charles in the long run. These guys will compliment one another and if they both finish with 1000+ yards each, I think we’ll have a lot to be excited about in KC.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Aug 28, 2010 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
me neiter, they'll both play
Someone made a good point somewhere, get Jones out there and have him pound it for a little bit and get the D used to that pace, then bring in charles. Sort of like taking the practice weights off a baseball bat.
by DanielShirley on Aug 28, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
or vice-versa.
Soften up the defense by making them sprint to the sideline a few/several times, and then just start rotating fresh legs in there.
There’s something to be said for using the more solidly built (and usually sure-handed) Jones to probe the defense, and see how they want to run against a given team. Then just start rotating in fresh legs.
Jones has pretty much shown he is versatile enough to be effective. I want to see him get some more reps in protections and catching the ball before the games start counting. I’m a little concerned about him dropping passes and not quite understanding the new team’s protections.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Ditto
Charles needs to be protected. He’s under-sized. Keep him fresh and he’ll deliver big. Charles needs Jones to prolong his career. Same with Dexter. The mix is vital for the Chiefs. This entire discussion has been shallow and it has taken root in the pre-season! For all we know, the Chiefs simply don’t want the Chargers to know who will start at RB, Center, ILB, etc…. We get to look at the players, they get to show off their talents, the coaches are playing a few games to motivate players and keep the Chargers off balance and, hopefully, no one gets hurt. And Charles did get hurt on the end of a play that shouldn’t have hurt anyone. The “who will start” stuff in the pre-season makes no sense. Hey, Andy Studabaker didn’t start. Are the Chiefs playing mind games with him? Lokey is playing ahead of Cox and Castille on goal line situations—— mind games?
by ChiefConcern on Aug 28, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
He's Not Undersized
He’s actually bigger than Chris Johnson who gained over 2,500 yards from scrimmage last year. He’s big enough to be a primary back.
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I wouldnt want to run
the wheels of him, but some people might cuz its his last year of contract. I would start JC, give him 15-20 carries, and TJ 5-10
by chiefnation on Aug 28, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah he is in the final year, but hes no good to anyone if he takes more than 15-18 touches
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
yeah its goofy, doesnt matter who is the "starter" we have 2 good backs in a 2-3 back league
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
It's starting to look like more than just 2.
Battle’s starting to play up to his potential, Moore is still pretty green, but looks like he has the tools (probably safe on PS for a year). I’m hoping they carry both Cox and Castille, too.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
So... Where's DJ been?
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
As far as Im concerned he should never even be on the field
what is that 2 games in a row that he didnt even record a single stat
Seriously ARE YOU KIDDING?
DJ had a good game and made some good plays. WOW you are such a DJ hater.
by popparuss581 on Aug 28, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
he did have the nice hit....but he also made the same mistakes we see from him
I was FARRRRRRRRRRRRRR more impressed by belcher, andy studebaker…demorrio!
I start Williams and Belcher and use DJ on occasion in the nickel
thats just me though
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Barring the first play,
I liked everything I saw from the Chiefs against the Eagles. This team came back from a 10-0 hole and convincingly outplayed Philly for two and a half quarters. And if the refs hadn’t stopped the clock when it should have kept running with about four minutes to play, that last touchdown would have been nearly impossible. Good game for the starters. I am liking what I see in this developing defense, and you can bet Norv Turner will be spending a lot of time with the tapes of this game. 8+ wins is looking pretty good this year.
Not only the clock stopping around the 4 minute mark
but also when they threw that penalty with 30 seconds to go to stop the clock again for them
D J was all over the field....
Did u c all of the linebacking last nite???
yeah cant disagree more, the LBs were indeed amazing, DJ just got attention AGAIN because of a flashy play...
overlooked was the usual
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
by SDChief on Aug 28, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now if we can keep Brodie on the field....
That was the difference last night…… I don t understand the quarterback decision with that thirdstring guy…..
Are you kidding with this comment?
“If you take away the 11 yard run” – that’s why you keep statistics, to see how productive a player is per each touch…it is not take away their best run and then see what the #‘s look like. That’s why the call it an average.
basically what he is saying is that
he avg. 2.11 yrds per carry before that run
by chiefnation on Aug 28, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah well not everyone is marshall faulk who got like 5 yards every carry at one point...
jones gets it done
I saw a lot there with jones…he still has nice moves, good cuts…I think he just really highlights how bad our run blocking is on the line. Charles is just so fast he makes up for it.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
Trimmed averages (throw out the biggest and the smallest) are commonly used to give a better sense of what's typically happening.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
maybe all this starter talk
got in his head and served as a distraction?
"Laws control the lesser man... Right conduct controls the greater one."
- Mark Twain
"Eric Berry Interception.... 10, 5, Touchdown KannnnSaaassCiitayyyy"
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by ArrowheadHunter on Aug 28, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
No philly finiish
I have to say I am very excited by the energy from both sides of the ball. Chiefs would of won this game if it was starters vs starters, Palko has to get more reps than Croyle because they need to see if he can handle the game. Not to encouraged by his throwing ability. The 2nd string defense needed to be able to step it up at the end and they fell flat. Still, the improvement is there.
I think that was mostly the 3rd string defense at the end
Guys that most likely won’t be here in a week.
Does anyone think that Studebaker looks like a lock as a starter.? He was all over the QB and looked pretty good in pass coverage as well.
yeah, I think he may start, but I will add this: Vrabel looked DARN good too....
cant wait for the report on how the big men up front were playing
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
I'm not sure if he'll start
But like Charles/Jones, whoever isn’t the starter between him and Vrabel will still see the field plenty anyway. Especially in the nickel package where Vrabel shifts inside and Studebaker comes in outside.
And they might just be running a lotta nickel.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
williams has been a beast the last 2 games
"Laws control the lesser man... Right conduct controls the greater one."
- Mark Twain
"Eric Berry Interception.... 10, 5, Touchdown KannnnSaaassCiitayyyy"
- Mitch Holthus
by ArrowheadHunter on Aug 28, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
yeah todd needs to try to piss
him off more often, cuz it has worked, as far as getting the best out of em’
by chiefnation on Aug 28, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw on Twitter that Charles hurt his shoulder? Hear anything about that?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
good news, just hit his funny bone
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
it's just silly
Jones needed more reps to learn the offense than Charles did so he was the “starter” the first couple of preseason games. When it came to a “regular season simulation” game then Charles starter.
all this Jones/Charles stuff is just meaningless driving by a hypertensive fanbase and media who need something to write about.
by Home skillet on Aug 28, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and most of the comments here seem to reflect that.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
I mean, to reflect that we're not too concerned about who starts.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
The way McCluster's showing up, the Chiefs are free to use Charles more freely.
As long as both those guys are healthy, I think Jones will be either #2 or #3 in touches, back there, regardless of who starts.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
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