Three Most Over-Hyped Kansas City Chiefs Stories
by Joel Thorman on Aug 26, 2010 1:47 PM CDT
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I've been looking over some of our stories over the past few weeks and I think I picked out the three most over-hyped stories.
I'll admit it -- part of the over-hyping comes from me. But these are three general story lines that I think have been a little over-hyped.
Here are my three. Give me yours in the comments.
Thomas Jones vs. Jamaal Charles
I'm definitely guilty of this one. It's entertaining to talk about who will be the starter, the backup or the feature back. Each had successful 2009 season and each have good reason to start.
I think this is overrated because it doesn't really matter. I can see the Chiefs in week one lining up with Jones in the backfield then with both of them in week two and just Charles in week three. The starter tag is almost irrelevant. They're going to split carries and I don't think starter or first team status will affect that a whole lot.
Todd Haley has said before, and again this week, that he'll go with the hot hand and that some weeks a particular defense will is weak in a certain area that will allow Jones or Charles to be the feature back that week. The bottomline is that they're going to split a healthy amount of carries.
Doom for the defense
OK, this isn't over-hyped in the sense that it's not important. It is. It's over-hyped in the sense that some are already predicting doom for the defense, particularly the run defense.
I agree that it's important and pretty much a must when talking about winning in 2010 but I don't think we've seen enough of them to make that determination. It's very difficult to see what these defensive linemen can do in training camp practices and a quarter or two of work.
In game one, the first team defense played most of the first half and gave up three points. In game two, most played the entire first half and gave up ten points. That's not a bad start in my mind.
Rookie class impact
I'm like most everyone else around here and excited about the rookie class this year. It seems that more than a couple of them will develop into good players. The key words being "develop into". They're not there yet.
Rookies in the NFL generally don't make a big impact and I think that's something to keep in mind. While I do think this class will be good in the future, I don't think they will be the reason the Chiefs win or lose in 2010.
Maybe the Chiefs surprise me and they get four legitimate starters out of that class in year one but the odds would suggest otherwise.
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Firs...
Just kidding. ;-)
Fully agree, but I think I’d add McCluster to that list
Needs for 2010:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Safety
by Bleedingredandgold on Aug 26, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah...
I think he covered McCluster when he mentioned the “Rookie Class” impact.
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 26, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
so, are you mentioning them to give them more hype?
:)
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
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I suppose you're both right
But I was looking at our archives and it made me think of it.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 26, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch out with the rookies aren't there yet talk Joel!
Earlier this week I mentioned that maybe people shouldn’t go quite so crazy over McCluster and I was chased by an angry mob with torches and pitchforks and slapped by Batman. If you are implying that Berry, McCluster, Arenas, and the rest of the draft class are not super stars yet you may not make it out alive.
RUN!!!!!!!!!
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by KCporkchop on Aug 26, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The rest of the class aren't superstars?
Sheffield’s so good they should just cut all the other linebackers. He can do it all by himself. I’ll be calling Batman about you.
The "who's starting at RB?" meme is ridiculous.
Those are two separate positions, not a depth issue.
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Good point on those rookies
It’s just hard not to get excited when you see one guy looking ready to make a big impact immediately (Dex)…
another who is already looking like a solid starter (Berry)
another who looks to be a freak of nature on returns (Arenas)
and another that, against all expectations, is pushing for a starting spot right now (Lewis).
That’s very, very, very hard not to freak out about :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Yeah but seeing how well those rookies are doing, how does that make you feel about players like Dorsey or Jackson?
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 26, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we need to go back a little ways and look at the most over hyped AP themes...
1. Mock drafts
2. Part of the “Right 53”
3. Berry vs McClain
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
I actually stopped reading AP
for about a month and a half before the draft.
I’d maybe pop in and see if there was any breaking news from Joel, but that was it.
I couldn’t handle any more draft talk…
Although I didn’t see the Berry vs. McClain too much. I was more sick of the Okung vs. Berry argument, which led to the Brandon Albert argument, which led to the whole “let’s move everyone on the line one place to the right” argument, etc.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
and then there was that one guy that started the Eric Berry Fanclub
Yeah, there was that
Of course, I was excited about him too so I didn’t mind it as much.
We never mind opinions that agree with out own…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Hey, that made AP fun for a couple of weeks, IMO...
The jokes were cracking me up… I couldn’t help but laugh about the people that were getting all upset about it.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 26, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
By the time the week before the draft was rolling around, everyone was so slap happy from beating the same arguments over and over again- some rediculous comments got made
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
And be honest, H2E
Aren’t you sick of the “is Cassel the QB we need” story? :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
don’t get him started on Cassel! :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 26, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
you will start the much-hyped
Cassel vs. Casshole controversy!
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by chiefsandcigars on Aug 26, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
So who are you looking at for next years draft, i kinda like Powe:P
Walterfootball sucks, they have us drafting a QB with the 3rd pick next year:(
Agree with the list though but Charles vs Jones was start to break the top 5 on my list as well as any discussion involving B.Albert not being a good LT or moving him and signing someone else which is #4 on my list by the way.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 26, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Anything to do with DJ
You’d figure this was a pro-bowler guy who was wrongfully benched
by KCinIL on Aug 26, 2010 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
My vote for "most over-hyped story"?
The “Todd Haley is a screaming lunatic / asshole” storyline that seems to pop up constantly. 99% of his players (past and present) don’t seem to think so. His staff doesn’t seem to think so (otherwise, why would they come work for him?) Our GM, one of the most respected in the game, doesn’t think so (or he wouldn’t have hired him).
So…let’s give it a rest, huh?
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
by Scott B. on Aug 26, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Especially with him looking a lot more in control on the sidelines so far
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Except for when Nick Wright asks him questions...
That’s when he starts falling off the wagon.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 26, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, your right
I really hadn’t thought about it much but, you are right MN Haley does seem to be much calmer on the sidelines. I do remember a short clip of him during the Atlanta game going off on some young coach ( I don’t know the young man) over by the gatorade table. I haven’t seen anyone on here mention it at all. Did anybody else see it?
I love it when a plan comes together!
I seen it also.
Had his finger in his face and everything. Don’t know who or why though. All I could think was, glad it’s not me.
Haley was wanting the sedative in a Lime Gatorade drink
not the Punch flavored Gatorade
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 26, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
What's up with stories about doing stuff to the "green" gatorade?
This and when I was in basic there was a rumor going around that the green had some sort of chemical in it to put our sex drives through the floor.
Your Mama!
rookie class impact is definitely over-hyped...
the only rookie ever mentioned with starting talent was berry… everyone wants to make all these rookies starters and stars… its just not going to happen for a year or two..
I could care less about "starter"
If Arenas can return kicks all year like he looks like he can, I’ll be more than ok with that.
And have you missed Lewis playing very well with the 1st team defense and Dex looking pro-ready?
It’s overhyped, yes. But Dex and Arenas are ready to contribute now, going by what we’ve seen.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Agreed
This rookie class is getting over hyped for two major reason-
1) Our team is bad enough that all of them (with the exception of Asamoah) have locked down or are competing for a starting job of some kind… thats not normal and is certainly worth noting.
2) Most of AP is hammered drunk on the kool-aid (I am no exception)
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
True enough.
I’m not as think as you drunk I am!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Ugh, I don't think we should be allowed to talk about him on a Chiefs blog
ESPN is pretty much just the Brett Farve channel so people can just go there.
(Now if only someone could find a way for Batman to slap Favre)
"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda
by KCporkchop on Aug 26, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess the green and yellow are Packers era Favre esqe
"There is no charge for awesomeness" - Kung Fu Panda
Roger Clemens out Bret Favred Bret Favre.
the day he went back to camp it wasn’t the leading story on ESPN. Roger Clemens was being indited for BSing Congress.
Your Mama!
The entire preseason is overhyped
The only 2 things that matter in preseason:
1. Your starters don’t get hurt (whoever they are).
2. Your starters play well for 2 1/2 quarters in the third preseason game. (whoever they are).
The team has been so bad the last 4 years, I don’t personally care who the starters are, as long as they pick it up. If Gilberry beats out Jackson, fine. If Palko beats out Cassel, it wasn’t my $ used on his signing bonus. LB – don’t care, just do your job.
by chieflypessmstc on Aug 26, 2010 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Has to be....
The story everyone tries to make out of Pioli and his need not to share information. Everyone makes a HUGE deal out of it. So the guy isn’t constanly running at the mouth about the inner workings of the organization, players or injuries. Big deal.
Is that even an issue this year?
Who cares?
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The team was withholding the OC and DC
from interviews in violation of league rules. That was pointed out in the Star and magically, they became available. It’s an issue unless you want to take everything Pioli and Haley tell you as the gospel truth.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 26, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Not an issue
Teichers mad cuz he doesn’t get as much freedom as he did when Carl was around. And you shouldn’t take anything seriously they say, along w the 95% of the rest of the league.
farve
I’m starting to hate Brett they say 49 states hate Lebron well Brett is no better.
by Chieffanndonkeyland on Aug 26, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions
I hated Brett after the 10th time he retired......
Aren’t we up to like the 50th time by now? No? Sure as hell seems like it.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 26, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't hate Brett
I hate the media coverage of Bret. It’s obvious the guy is playing the system and staying out of training camp/preseason. But he really is inspiring to watch.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
by Jux on Aug 26, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so why should he get to play?
If he’s intentionally milking the system & the retiring situation because he’s too old to get through camp, he shouldn’t be allowed to play. And frankly, the rest of his teammates should be pissed that he can skip camp & still play, but of course they won’t because they think he’s their savior.
I just don’t like the dude….I used to think he was awesome. I don’t like games that grown adults play with people. I’m not talking about the physical game of sports….. :)
That’s just my opinion.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 27, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree with the guy who said anything about Derrick Johnson
That guy gets more press than anyone on the roster. I almost wish the Chiefs would cut or trade him so the whole DJ debate that’s gone on for years can finally end. Never seen so much hype surrounding such a mediocre player.
by CapsLockKey on Aug 26, 2010 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Overhyped
The need for people to tell peoples fanposts should be a fanshot. Fanshots used to be used for links, quotes and pictures, I’m not sure when they turned into mini fanposts. I’m more speaking to people jumping down the throats of new members who aren’t familiar with the “rules” and just want to participate. If you are worried about your Fanpost being knocked off, adjust your settings or write a better fanpost.
I’m also sick of the “Cassel is much better than Sanchez” dialogue that inevetably ends up in 92.5% of all posts. Both struggled last year in the regular season and are expected to do better this year now that they are in year 2 of their systems. Saying Sanchez sucks doesn’t make Cassel better and saying Cassel sucks doesn’t make Sanchez better.
I think the JC/TJ is a legitamate debate, but lets wait until Monday night to see how it unfolds.
Don't get Jose Bautista Mad. You wouldn't like him when he is mad.
by craig in calgary on Aug 26, 2010 2:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the whole fanshots/fanposts thing……..but it seems that opinions are divided down the middle on that too.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 26, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
And the "Newbies aren't smart enough to speak" BS.
It’s amazing that some folks won’t reply or comment depending on your AP status. Or, they open your profile before replying to determine how they speak to you. It was even pointed out that you should open the “vets” profile (laughable) so you know who you’re talking to. In other words……when replying to a vet…….mind your P’s and Q’s. I don’t need 2 years of AP experience to enjoy this game or this team or this kick ass site that i’ve fallen in love with. Nor would 2 years of AP experience make me more knowledged of this game. “Shut up stupid, ur not smart enough to talk to me…….YOU’RE A NOOB”!!!!!!
I don't think that was the point at all
The whole idea is that of the crowded Bar. You should and want to know who you are talking to. We are all crowded together and expressing our opinions. The more you know about who you are conversing with is an advantage. Newer AP members have a distinct advantage because if you did care to check (as you stated) you would see a rich history of the person you are talking too. A new AP member is a total blank slate of opinion, obviously if we were Dogs someone would sniff you all over to see who you are. THANK YOU LORD we don’t :)
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 26, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all H2E's fault.
I’m also sick of the "Cassel is much better than Sanchez" dialogue that inevetably ends up in 92.5% of all posts.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
Cassel isn't better than Sanchez:P
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 26, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
most over-hyped stories on AP...
who has the better KC BBQ….you all can never agree!!! :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 26, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Amen. Sick of that one too.
Makes me crave a big salad
no. not really.
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 26, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Then we ban blame them then?
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 26, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Best part of that track, and I'm off a bit...
“Fiorela’s might cost quite a bit but they can’t bring the fire as hot like this.”
Jack Stack is the bottom feeder of KC BBQ
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Have you seen the video
It takes place in a Gates restaurant, and half of it is this really cool computer generated animation of the Gates BBQ tray… truly entertaining if you are from KC or like rap… or BBQ
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
What about this classic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUznm2fhsmU
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 26, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I've only had 2....
Arthur Bryants & Jack Stacks during my brief trip last year. They were both good in their own ways :) But I like sauces more on the sweeter side rather than tangy, so I had trouble with most KC sauces.
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 26, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
woot woot....
green is my color! matches my eyes….
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 26, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that you have been green before
It is always cool though :)
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 26, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think twice now...
maybe 2 times, but that’s stretching it a bit. :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 27, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Mine:
1. Charles vs. Jones
2. Charles vs. Jones
3. Charles vs. Jones
Tells you what I think of that.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 26, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Top 3 under hyped stories...
1. Pac 10, Conference of Champions
2. Lute Olson, #1 super badass, pimp of the nation
3. The devil that is the NCAA
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
Under hyped
1. Stupid U of Ale fans losing their life savings thinking they would actually beat Cal
2. Chiefs not loading up on more Cal talent: Mack Truck, Mesean Jackson, Marshawn Lynch, Jahvid Best, Justin Forsett, etc.
3. Goodell is a douche
by Another Failed Tedford QB on Aug 26, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahahahahaha
very funny shit im still cleaning soda off my screen from the pac 10 conference of champions joke
I cant wait to see the NEW ARROWHEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chiefs will be competing for a division title in 2010
Pac Man
never heard of a Pac 10…some kind of 10th anniversary edition or something?
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by chiefsandcigars on Aug 26, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Defense
I especially agree it is too early to tell if the D will be improved. We’ve had 3 coordinators in 3 years and a complete turnover of personnel. Most of the key positions being occupied by players with 5 years or less experience and now the projected QB of our defense (Berry) is a rookie. Give it time. I think we’ll run the ball well and play gritty, turnover causing defense and be in a lot of games this season.
TJ/JC
That argument is also moot. The prototypical NFL starting RB is gone. Everyone has a committee filled with various strengths these days. Ironically, it was a KC RB named Larry Johnson that will probably be last 400+ carry NFL back. I guarantee you last year’s leader Chris Johnson (358 carries) will not be getting another 350+ season at age 24. He’d only last 2 more years. That’s why they drafted Javon Ringer. TJ has his strengths and they will be used appropriately. If anyone is hung up on who the “starter” is, don’t bother. It’s a given that you hand that to the veteran until he proves he doesn’t deserve it.
Over hyped?
How about how our team looks in practice? They practice against each other! If the offense looks great against last year’s 30th ranked defense….is that good? It really kind of bothers me that the offense couldn’t score against them in four tries the other day. Does that mean the offense now sucks? Jamaal Charles running by Tyson Jackson in practice doesn’t make me feel good about the season… everyone has run by T-Jax. The only thing that will say the team has improved is wins, and they don’t have any of those yet…
Playoff predictions? Really? From 4 wins?
by BinSC on Aug 26, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Welcome
to the Riddle wrapped in a Question surrounded by an Enigma :)
Are you from South Carolina? If so please report to the post from Craig on AP North America :)
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 26, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to disagree on domm for the defense being over-hyped
I’ll agree that we can’t make a lot of judgments based on camp and preseason games. And I’ll admit our run D might improve over last year, especially with more development time with Dorsey and Jackson. But the middle of our D hasn’t changed much, with question marks at NT and both ILBs. The weakest point of any 3-4 is defending the run up the middle, and that also happens to be our weakest personel group. That’s not good…
D-Bowe and No homo
Which is hilarious, and has now become a mainstay comment here on AP when homosexual inuendo gets dropped.
"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry
that and importing women
By far the two most overhyped preseason stories Ive seen in years
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