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Catching Up On The Kansas City Chiefs Positional Battles

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The Kansas City Chiefs are nearing the end of training camp. They're back in Kansas City and practicing this week to prepare for the Philadelphia Eagles on Friday night.

Here's a quick look at where we stand with a few of the positional battles we were looking at heading into training camp.

Center: Rudy Niswanger vs. Casey Wiegmann

Niswanger played on the first team for the majority of training camp. Wiegmann saw first team snaps at times but for the most part it's been Niswanger.

This is a difficult position to judge because Wiegmann doesn't necessarily need a ton of snaps. He's been in the league for a while and the Chiefs know what they have with him.

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Inside linebaker: Corey Mays/Demorrio Williams vs. Derrick Johnson/Jovan Belcher

Well, they stayed together in pairs for the most part. The Chiefs switched them around for a bit but the majority of the time they came in together and the Chiefs didn't split them up.

They've split first team action pretty evenly throughout camp. I would argue that DJ and Belcher should get the nod since the Chiefs went through 16 games with Mays and Williams starting last year. DJ and Belcher offer something new on a defense that didn't do very well last year.

Safety: Jon McGraw vs. Kendrick Lewis

When healthy, this has usually been McGraw's position. He went down last week and Lewis stepped in. I found it interesting that McGraw still made the trip to Tampa, FL with the team, even though he was injured. That's unusual but I think the Chiefs wanted his presence on the sidelines.

Lewis is clearly the future here and has shown signs that he can handle a big load from the start. I'm sticking to my guess that McGraw opens the season on the first team.

Running back: Thomas Jones vs. Jamaal Charles

Who knows how this one will shake out. Jones has been on the first team and gotten the majority of the snaps. Both Todd Haley and Scott Pioli have said each player understands their role so we shouldn't get too tangled up in who actually starts.

These two will split carries in 2010 but we still don't have an idea of how much.

Nose tackle: Ron Edwards vs. Shaun Smith/Derek Lokey

It's been the Ron Edwards show for the most part. He's been on the first team for pretty much all of camp. Shaun Smith moved from nose tackle to defensive end at times late in camp while Lokey was pretty consistently behind Edwards.

Tight end: Leonard Pope vs. Tony Moeaki

Not much of a battle. Moeaki looked solid early on but then was injured and hasn't been as involved. He missed the first preseason game and didn't log any stats in the second game.

This is Pope's spot moving forward.

Defensive end: Tyson Jackson vs. Wallace Gilberry

This is a new position battle that wasn't even on our radar to start training camp.

I'm guessing that Jackson comes out of this the starter. Even if Gilberry is the better player, I wouldn't want to face the fans when the third overall pick is benched in year two.

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Niswanger
Williams/Johnson
Lewis
Charles
Smith
Moeaki
T-Jax

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by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 25, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd agree with you H2E, with one caveat.

I’d put Belcher in there instead of DJ. I’d be interested to see how the Belcher/Williams and Mays/DJ combos looked.

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by KaloPhoenix on Aug 25, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see that as well

I dont understand why those two pairs have always been stuck together.

by mdchiefsfan on Aug 25, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then

You don’t understand the roles of the ILBs in a 34

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by Jux on Aug 25, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry hit 'post' too soon.

I don’t consider myself a 34 genius but from what I’ve gathered from the gurus is that the two ILB positions call for 2 very different types of players. One who is a bigger thumper style for run defense and another faster backer who occasionally blitzs but is mostly in coverage. We have 2 of each type..

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Aug 25, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Which is why he wanted to see Belcher/Williams and Mays/Johnson, and not Belcher/Johnson and Mays/Williams, which is all we’ve seen thus far. This comes on the heels of Haley saying that D.J. and Williams wouldn’t be our starting pair for exactly the reason you just mentioned. It honestly seems to appear that Belcher and Williams might be our two best options. If so, why shouldn’t they start together?

by MtHammer on Aug 25, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah me too

I mean why have the not even given it an attempt- it seems to make a lot of sense based on the better play by Belcher and Williams. When it comes to this situation, I have a hard time wrapping my head around this idea of these two pairs of ILBs being inseperable… what occured or what have they observed to make them believe that this has to be the way that its done?

Now I realize I’m on the outside looking in, but it just doesn’t make much sense to me.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

four combinations

four preseason games to experiment with each one

by irishking44 on Aug 25, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Williams/Mays is a baseline.
IMO the Chiefs want DJ/Belcher to surpass the baseline and it hasn’t happened yet.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 25, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Haley already said that Williams and Johnson won't be on the field at the same time

something about them playing the same position, where ass Belcher and Mays play the opposite position

by Pontiaclvr on Aug 25, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

basically, yes.

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 25, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ass Belcher?

2010 Chiefs are on the rise. This is the most excited I've been since 'Nam...

by kcchiefsfan72 on Aug 25, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

But I just dont see Niswanger developing as much as we had hoped. I expect another year with a serviceable C and hopefully we are able to hit on a C prospect in the draft or FA next year

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I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.

by chiefsandcigars on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 25, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping for:

Weigmann
DJ/Belcher
Lewis
Jones AND Charles (I don’t see this as a battle)
Pope AND Moeaki (Blocker/Extra OT and Receiver)
Tjax (with Gilberry on passing downs, as always)

NT is the one I don’t know what to think about…maybe Edwards or Smith on running downs, Edwards or Lokey on passing downs?

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

This is pretty much how I expect things to be game 1. Hopefully Niswanger can step up… but I’m not holding my breathe.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Aug 25, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's more about...

getting Casey on the field, I just think he brings too much to the table.
Niswanger has played OK, but I like how the offense looks with Weige out there

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 25, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

The play I talked about in my “REAL offense” post had him in it, and he did his job fantastically, getting the DL to run by him then neutralizing a LB down the field.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 25, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed!

i like seeing him work in space.

I also really like that offensive set with Charles on one side, Dex on the other side of Cassel… presents a lot of possibilities!

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

In comparison of the 2 games...

it is like night and day… Casey definitely played better.

I guess my hope is more along the lines that Niswanger can be a long term starter for us. Then again I’m not going to hold my breathe waiting for that to happen. Its just one less thing that we would need to address next year as I don’t believe Casey will be playing

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Aug 25, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

totally agree on

Pope and Moeaki, double tight will be out there often.
yes on belcher, I am really not sure about DJ last game scared me
there is no RB battle-agreed
Lewis

NT is a scary scary position

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the coaching staff was thinking more along the lines of

That we could get by with an avg or little below avg NT if the DEs progressed as expected, cause let’s face it, its rare that any D has beasts at all 3 spots on the DLine. But if tjax and dorsey take the next step and big ron can be at least average they should more than compesate for him

by irishking44 on Aug 25, 2010 2:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

When it comes to RB I think Jones will carry the load for pass protection and short yards and Charles will be more of a reggie bush.

by BiRed#58 on Aug 25, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

we hope Charles is more productive than Reggie Bush

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 25, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please, don't compair

JC to Reggie Bush…JC did more on the ground in 9 starts than Bush has his entire career…

by OnlyKCFanNVA on Aug 25, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah its really not even close

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Aug 25, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're forgetting FB

Castille vs. Cox. Personally I like Cox since he is the better blocker and a decent receiver, Castille is the better runner and is a little more athletic but with Jones and the emergence of Jackie Battle (who was a FB in college) I don’t see much of a need for a ballcarrier FB

by irishking44 on Aug 25, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Cox

should start based on his ability to pass catch on the check down…totally agree with your assessment of Castille…

by OnlyKCFanNVA on Aug 25, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castille can catch, too, though...

remember that TD last year?

I am not sure if there’s a big difference between the two, blocking-wise, though…

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 25, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

he can catch the TD's

just can’t throw them bad boys!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 25, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still watch the replay

of that catch……best one all year!

I got mad and cursed when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!

by Hail2DaChiefs on Aug 25, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castille can catch better than Cox

The only thing I see Cox doing better is blocking.

by Skrappy on Aug 25, 2010 2:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If I remember correctly...

Brodie Croyle called that play into Cassel…

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on Aug 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Cox

Because of the ease of innuendo with his name.

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by Scaryclouds on Aug 25, 2010 2:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"I like Cox"

No homo?

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Aug 25, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

that just aint right

reminds me of someone I know who was reading a dicks sporting goods magazine and he said “I love dicks” …we clowned his ass forever and still do, he’ll never hear the end of that

by chiefnation on Aug 25, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I once messed up a Google search for the hours of the nearest location with fishing buddies watching over my shoulder. It went really bad. I still get grief from them.

by MissionJayhawk on Aug 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson Vs Gilberry

What if the goal isn’t to demote Jackson or Dorsey, but move Dorsey to NT and have Gilberry as the starting DE. Gilberry is listed as the backup RDE behind Dorsey. If this is the goal it would explain Shaun Smith’s move to DE from NT as well. Time will tell, I just like to think outside of the box and with this coaching staff, it’s never a bad idea.

by mdchiefsfan on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

If they were really going to do that

You think that they would be practicing… like at least one snap with Dorsey at NT. That ship has already sailed, Dorsey is a DE.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Aug 25, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dorsey

lined up at NT a couple times last year.

by Bra on Aug 25, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So did Jackson I believe...

…usually when Magee/Gilberry were the ends on passing downs.

by Archyrr on Aug 25, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

But we are talking about this year...

A lot of the structuring of the line was in flux last year, and I definitely remember them talking about the possibility of Dorsey playing NT, even as recently as OTAs… but the fact of the matter is he hasn’t lined up there once during training camp, so there is no reason to believe that they would even be remotely considering this.

"They should expect everything..." -Eric Berry

by Ben Martin on Aug 25, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

mccoy on the bubble to make roster in clev.

Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll give you 15-1

That is motivation, pure and simple.

I read the same article, there is no chance he doesn’t make the team.

by kcsno56 on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I find that hard to believe,

wounder what the story is behind that….if so, what a waste of a 3rd round pick

by chiefnation on Aug 25, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll pick. As of today.

Wiegmann (experience, and plays well with others. ie; Waters & Lilja)
DJ & Belcher (If this is the only combo to get Belcher on the field)
McGraw (Once again experience & sure tackler. I’m comfy with Lewis playing too)
Charles ( Like catching a hummingbird bare handed)
Edwards ( He Keeps improving. Haley quote: Little better each day.)
Pope (Moeaki has’nt proved anything yet)
Gilberry ( Once again, gets better every day. T Jax’s position to lose)

Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010

by ChiefsChance on Aug 25, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

"plays well with others"

cute :)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 25, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Position battle I'm interested in...

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by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 25, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Call me crazy, but...

I would like to see a package with McCluster and Charles in the backfield and Tony Moeaki at TE and Javier Arenas at WR…

Or

Jones in the backfield, and McCluster and Charles and D. Bowe in Trips Right. McCluster would run a fad, Charles would run a slant, and D. Bowe would run a 5-10 up and out….

I want C.Weiss to run some crazy lookin’ shit…It would confuse the defense like the Wildcat did the first time Miami ran it against New England…

by ChiefsatWar on Aug 25, 2010 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

there IS NO POSITION BATTLE between Jones and Charles

people are just being silly

it’s only about who gets the meaningless title of “starter”

both will get their carries and that’s the only thing that matters

by Home skillet on Aug 25, 2010 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

everyone has there own opinion

preseason it doesnt mattter to me but I’d like to see the “playmaker charles” take the first snap of the regular season for a 17yrd gain

by chiefnation on Aug 25, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some people get extremely concerned with what color shoes our guys will wear

Still doesn’t mean it has any bearing on anything at all.

Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.

by TRSChief on Aug 26, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMO

Play Weigmann
Play Vabrel & Johnson as ILBs and move Studebaker to OLB
Play Lewis (more speed)
Play Jones (pass protection) and Charles at same time— Keep Castille as 3rd TE and Goal Line Fullback
Smith and Edwards are 2 of our top 4 DL. Playing both at same time will not be a bad choice.
Play Pope.. Moeaki has not earned a spot yet in starting lineup.
Play Gilberry—we need a pass rush more than worrying about if Jackson is playing—3rd pick or the 333rd pick.

by NFL season ticket holder on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 PM CDT reply actions  

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