Chiefs Vs. Bucs Preseason: Five Players Who Helped Themselves
by Joel Thorman on Aug 23, 2010 8:48 AM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs lost 20-15 to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Saturday night. Though it was another loss, there were more good things to take out of this game than the previous loss to the Atlanta Falcons.
Here are five players that helped themselves on Saturday night.
Last week against the Atlanta Falcons Matt Cassel had just 25 yards on 6-of-8 passing including a turnover and a key sack. I said that performance was a disappointment, even though some disagreed.
This week I think we can all agree that Cassel looked much sharper against the Bucs.
He completed 14-of-19 passes for 125 yards and one touchdown.
On the second drive he took them down to the Bucs red zone and got six out of it. At the end of the first half, he took them on a drive that started fro their own 13 and ended, as time ran out in the first half, with Ryan Succop kicking a field goal from the then.
There are still improvements to be made but Cassel looked much better on Saturday night.
OK, so he didn't need a huge game here by any means but, after a strong start to camp and then a catch-less start to the preseason, I thought it was important he got involved.
He was the second leading receiver for the Chiefs with three receptions for 33 yards that went for a pair of first downs.
Again, this isn't something Bowe needed to make the team, by any means. I just think that someone like him needs that in-game validation that what they're doing is right. Bowe had a good half.
Once again, it's not Javier Arenas the defender it's Javier Arenas the return man.
Last week he had a 42-yard return and then later a 100-yard return that was called back. This week, he had a 54-yard kick return that included a nice broken tackle.
During training camp, it was usually Arenas and Dexter McCluster taking return duties. I think it's becoming clear that this is Arenas' job to lose.
Tamba Hali
Like Bowe, he didn't really need a good game to impress anyone. But, in Hali fashion, he went out and had a solid game and, looking at the stat sheet, you can hardly tell. He's credited with one tackle but he pressured the quarterback multiple times including one near-fumble (quarterback's arm was going forward).
For Hali's sake, I wish he could get the sacks so folks would give him the proper credit of being one of the better pass rushers in the league. For the Chiefs sake, I hope he's a secret the rest of the season.
It looks like he's the receiver out of UMass is one of the undrafted guys with a shot at making the team.
In the first preseason game, Brodie Croyle missed him deep. Then last week in training camp I kept hearing his name more and seeing him on the field more.
Saturday night in the first quarter, he caught the only touchdown pass of the game. It was a six-yard pass from Cassel and there wasn't anything particularly impressive about the play.
Except that Horne was out there with the first team. The play was halfway through the first quarter. The Chiefs believed in him enough to give him a shot at that point. That's a good sign they like him or they think he can handle more.
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Here's to Horne taking Urban's spot.
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 23, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm down with that
Seems like Urban has been kind of a non-factor.
Not a liability really, but not a difference maker so far.
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by TRSChief on Aug 23, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and where was Moeoki?
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Yeah I'm a little concerned that he's still hurt
If he is, that’s a bad start to a guy with a history of being injured in college.
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This pretty much covers the good parts.
The validation of Cassel and the emergence of Horne are the real stories coming out of this game.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Before you write the "who hurt themselves" post,
I would note that Crennel already going to a blitz-heavy package is a pretty heavy indictment against the D-Line. Sure, whatever works, but still.
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Well
We kind of already knew that coming in. I think Cassel’s command of the team is them most important thing to take away from this game. Even as an optimist I understand that we’re going to have troubles with our front seven.
by dwil2009 on Aug 23, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't say that.
I’m an optimist and I keep thinking that suddenly T-jack and Dorsey will become the two most dominant ends in the NFL.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In a 3-4 you have to blitz. Constantly.
That’s how the 3-4 works.
Wide bodies eat up blockers in the trenches, and you blitz 1-2 LB’s (or LB and a Safety, or a CB or whatever) through the gaps that are hopefully being controlled by the D Line.
Whole point is to try to cause confusion as to who is blitzing and where, from what angle. The Jets had the best defense in the NFL last year, and that’s because they’re always blitzing – and doing it very very well.
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by TRSChief on Aug 23, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what happened last week?
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dude, this is preseason...
stop trying to project ANY OF THIS into the regular season. these games are like glorified practices. neither haley, crennel, or weis care about anyone outside the team’s perceptions of “how things are going” or “what needs to be done.”
they are testing things. these guys have stressed the importance of going “back to the basics” on more than one occasion, and you don’t go full steam ahead right after you’re done practicing fundamentals. you work on things in phases.
i mean, think about the offense last year and how different that looks from this year’s preseason O. last year they pretty regularly went out in one formation and then at the drop of a hat the entire team shifted to a completely different formation. we’ve only seen that a few times in the last 2 weeks. everything in these games is simple.
in preseason, nothing is an indictment of anything.
look at the cowboys right now…
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by Chris Sembower on Aug 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
"look at the cowboys right now"
Awww…do I have to?
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by TRSChief on Aug 23, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
:P
i know, right?
one of few teams i try to avoid like the plague. espn and nfl network, however, prevent me from doing so.
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by Chris Sembower on Aug 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Cowboynic Plague?
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by TRSChief on Aug 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who's projecting?
I was suggesting that an early switch of strategy indicates concerns from the coaches. Of course, it could be more along the lines of knocking-the-rust-off and implementing additional plays as they progress…
…but last week’s results from the first team and this week’s blitz-heavy packages says otherwise.
Btw, if you’re not using the preseason to project into the regular season, you’re not doing your job as a fan. Be fair; compare first teams to first teams, know what you will and will not see (complex schemes and offensive patterns), and know that defense has the advantage early on (before offenses get their timing down); but be Smart; rarely is anything so indicative of future results more than current results.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Smart?
you’re calling out the playcalling, which, i think, we can all agree is like the biggest thing that is different about the preseason…
i’m not saying that you will even be right or wrong once the actual season starts. but lets be fair… everyone in the entire NFL’s playcalling is going to change when things get going for real. and i don’t think that’s being “dumb” (which i can only assume is the opposite of “smart”)
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by Chris Sembower on Aug 23, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
early switch of strategy?
I think that’s the point you’re missing on. I very much doubt you are seeing any change of strategy in these games. There isn’t any strategy. They are installing different things, using different formations and plays and things to evaluate players and groupings of players.
Charlie Weis' Leg
by kabrink on Aug 23, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
vanilla defense...
save the blitz packages for the regular season, and SD. I’m hoping their designing blitz packages based on the weaknesses exposed in the pre-season. Why give SD something to game plan against?
FWIW, check the stats. I think we’ll be fine. My goal is 8-8 season with a chance at our Division.
Rather than wait for the answer,
I was clearly indicating that they were more-involved blitzes than the previous week and that means that bringing only one LB wasn’t working and Crennel (probably) has little faith that it will—an indictment of our D-line.
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It's not really an indictment of the D Line though.
The best 3-4 defenses will bring multiple guys often.
I’m not going to compare us to the best defenses in the league. Because we’re nowhere near it. But bringing a lot of blitz packages in the 3-4 doesn’t really say anything, good or bad, about the D Line.
Crennel’s always had some pretty involved blitzing schemes.
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Exactly
Our D-Line isn’t meant to get a ton of sacks, or even pressure for that matter. What we’re after is for our 3 D-Linemen to eat up at least 5 blockers, which I think is going to happen no problem this season. Dorsey is already constantly double teamed, and the penetration that T-Jax has been getting is going to force teams to put another guy on him. If we can get one of our NT’s to step up and demand 2-3 guys on him, our LB’s/CB’s and Safeties can Tee off on the opposing QB.
"Wow! Eric Berry can do anything!"
by aasukisuki on Aug 23, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But they're not doing that either.
Which was the point of my post.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
They will Sep.13th
You think they’re gonna give the Chargers weeks to prepare for any kind of packages we could be sending their way?
by KCinIL on Aug 23, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, that makes sense.
It’s awfully convenient, though.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the smart thing to do hands down
Theres no way in hell we’ve even opened our playbook past page 2. 20 bucks Romeo/Charlie are using our Madden playbook =).
they ARE getting pressure
just no sacks yet
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Yeah
and we would probly have a few sacks by now if they werent holding Hali every single play
by badassz1987 on Aug 23, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If he is being held
I’m sure the league office has game film on it’s doorstep & a note from Pioli asking “What are you going to do about this for me?”.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Well
hopefully they send them a copy of the picture that is being used for the Arrowheadlines today, the picture of the Olineman putting Hali in a chokehold and ask why there was no holding call on that play
but then his courier accidentally sends the wrong tape...
and the league office instead receives the 2001 Rams practice film
;p
Yeah
Hali needs to start flopping like all the soccer players do.
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I would say it's really a compliment...
I think Romeo finally feel comfotable with the D-Line to start sending blitzes. in a 3-4 if the D-Line can’t control the gaps and you blitz, your in worse shape having sacrificed coverage. Now I do feel we run blitzed way more than we will see during the regular season, but overall the Blitz packages were pretty good.
by Stone Throwers on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I like this point.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree to a point.
But it doesn’t matter how many we send because the we’re still not getting too the QB.
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I didn't like that drop by Bowe on the right sideline...
It looked all too familiar. He should have hauled that one in… which leads me to again question his concentration. Bowe was ok… but we’re expecting a big step towards greatness, and his weakness up to now has been concentrating on catching the ball. It doesn’t look like he’s totally shaken that stigma off yet. Hopefully he can show us that that was a fluke, and not an indicator of what he’ll look like this season.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions
I think I missed that one...
when was this?
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It was a fade that he is talking about I think
Although I thought it was good coverage. I couldnt tell if he dropped it or not
Wasn't that out of bounds?
I’d say that was a “if Bowe can’t get it, let it go out” type of play—Cassel’s decision.
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It looked to me like it was in his hands.
Bowe was under a DB and there was another guy in coverage under Bowe. Cassel got the ball to him, but it looked to me like Bowe dropped it. I could be wrong, but don’t think I am.
Point being is that great receivers tend to come down with passes that come to them.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure you're talking about
a mediocre pass from Cassel. You’re talking about the one where it was on his inside shoulder on the left side of the field and the DB tipped it away?
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Nope...
I’ll have to see if I can find a clip of it, or watch it again tonight.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I've watched it 4 times now
And every time I see it it looks more like a bad throw and not a drop.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 23, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok...
Ya’ll are ganging up on me :)
I’m probably off base on this, but my first impression was that Bowe should have made the catch… expectations are high for him this year.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I totally get that
And I’d never try to gang up on you RGB :)
I just figured you might want to hear from someone who has access to the replay.
It may have been catchable (it’s a tough angle to see from), but he was very well covered and the ball was thrown poorly.
I was more excited that he made the 3 easy catches. Now THOSE were the catches I’m used to him dropping. He’s always made the great catches.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 23, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree with you
the pass looked a bit underthrown, but it look like bowe had his hands on it then dropped it.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
That was not a drop...
1) It was a poor decision on Cassell’s part. Bowe had a step on the corner so the pass should have been out in front of Bowe and not a deliberate underthrow.
2) Since Cassell threw it as an underthrow and Bowe had a step on the corner, Bowe had to reach over the CB to attempt to make the catch. It would have been an outstanding catch but not one that is made the majority of the time.
3) I get the feeling that people will be looking for things to dump on Bowe about all year. This is a prime example.
by Alphacroon on Aug 23, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
re: 3) you're right, but
that’s what happens when you’re a first rounder that disappoints.
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Over three seasons it's hard to call Bowe a disappointment though
I don’t have a ton of faith in the guy either, but in fairness he was quite productive his first two years.
Predictions:
This year will be better
It is not hard to call Bowe a disappointment.
See how easy I make it?
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I think a lot of you guys are happy that he’s a starter and are forgetting what first rounders are supposed to become.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
I think most of us saw a young WR who performed well above average compared to most other 1st and 2nd year WR’s that went on to have a great big season full of “DUH” last year.
And we’re hoping he progresses to continue his early development and not repeat the great ‘wtf’ that was his 2009 season.
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by TRSChief on Aug 23, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cute, a literal interpretation ;)
Basically I echo TRS’s comments just above mine. Over his first two seasons he played above general expectations for a receiver taken in the lower third of the first round. Last season was the complete opposite, most probably expected him to really break out and he laid a turd instead.
Based on his physical gifts, and recognition of the first two seasons I expect he’ll have a really good season, though I"m not sure there will be enough footballs to go around for him to have a true ‘break out’ season. I’ll be happy if he just drops a few less easy catches.
Predictions:
This year will be better
If anything, I'm hoping his time with Fitzy
does the trick.
MAN! Can you IMAGINE if we had our very own Fitzgerald? That would be the SHIT.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It would...
Fitz would have caught that ball… :-)
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
And THAT'S my point.
Like I said in the OP, we’re expecting Bowe to take a step towards greatness. I want to start seeing him make the hard catches.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a fair point.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, he usually does make the tough catches, IMO
It’s the easy ones he seems to have problems with.
Predictions:
This year will be better
lol...
True enough.
Ok, edit my last remark:
I want to start seeing him make the hard catches.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep....
I’m as much a supporter of Bowe as I am a critic.
IMO, it looked like more of the same to me. An above average receiver would have come down with that ball. I’m just saying it looks like more of what we’re used to seeing with Bowe.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
A superstar WR might have made that catch...
Bowe is an above average receiver and that was a very difficult catch. He would have had to secure it behind the helmet and back of the defender. Bowe had a down year last year, no question about it. Some of that was from Haley being in his head. You can’t just throw out Bowe’s first 2 seasons. Bowe can be a playmaker for this team.
Which is the whole point...
Bowe can be a playmaker for this team.
I can’t find any internet footage of the play I’m talking about, but I have it recorded at home. I’m going to go back and watch it to find out exactly when and what happened, but I remember watching it live and thinking “Bowe could have made that catch”. Bad throw or not, Bowe got his hands on it, and IMO, a “play making WR” needs to haul in passes that he can get his hands on.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
There wasn't a good angle to
see if he got his hands on it or not. It may have hit the DB in the back or shoulder. That was a very difficult catch. It think it is unreasonable to call it a drop or to EXPECT him to make nearly impossible catches.
idk about that one
looked to me that cassel was attempting to put it up there for him put came up short on the pass i put it on cassel not bowe also a face guard by the defender
by ChiefsAnalyst0809 on Aug 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
this is Arenas' job to lose
Damn it had better be. This kid is disgusting on kick returns. I would have to say our ST squad is better overall, but Arenas is taking decent opportunities and blowing them open with his own moves.
This is one (and yet another) guy I can’t wait to see on MNF.
He is going to make a HUGE difference for this team I think.
Our average starting field position had to be among the leagues worst last season.
Last season... and the 2 before that
I just remember the awful times with Eddie Drummond and a slew of other guys that just couldn’t get it done.
Can anyone remember the last KR we had for TD? It had to be with Dante. I bet we get at least 1, maybe 2 or 3 this year with Arenas.
He’s averaging 34 yards per return without the 99 yarder. If that didn’t get called back he’d be right around 50 ypr on 4 returns… that’s ridonkulous.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 23, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Charles last year versus Pittsburgh to open the game
that was the last KR for a TD
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by jrcnc on Aug 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well there ya go
and it was JC – go figure.
You’d think with as much as I’ve tried to forget last year I could manage to remember a bright spot like beating Pittsburgh (that was a great win).
I still think we get 1-3 out of Javy this year.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 23, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
anything to get more points on the board
Javy is going to be a game changer, and I would love to see 1-3 out of him this year!
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I would be happy with no return TD's
but an average starting field position close to the 40 would make me happy.
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Why not both?
Just sayin’
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by TRSChief on Aug 23, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Both would be great
maybe he can be a shutdown corner too
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that would be great also
and I think he will be able to do that consistanly for us if his supporting cast can help him out.
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by jrcnc on Aug 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Horne can make this team
we need someone like him to step up this year and hopefully add another weapon to this offense.
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What is all this hope stuff about?
Horne made the team with his performance Saturday. Very little question about that now.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe
but what if Urban dominates the next two games?
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Then we have 4 receivers.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
and I would be happy :)
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by jrcnc on Aug 23, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
By "4 receivers," I mean
one aging above-average receiver,
one extremely disappointing and average first rounder,
one surprising scrap-heaper,
and one potentially interesting addition that could be either good or bad.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well when you put it that way
its still better than what we threw out there last year!
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by jrcnc on Aug 23, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's hard to say the last two
are any different than what we had last year.
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lol... nice answer.
We’re probably going to keep at least 5 WRs… so:
Bowe, Chambers, DMC, Urban, Horne.
We’re good.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Horne and Urban will probably both make the team...
Last year we kept 6 WRs. right now I think we keep Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, Urban, Horne and Copper (for special teams). If they use McCluster as a swing guy and keep 3 RBs (Charles, Jones and Battle) then I think Lawrence is kept for Special teams as well.
Copper is still on the team?
Has he been targetted in either game or been on the field at all?
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he's doing a good job
when Arenas is behind the logo. He looks like he’d run it back out from the stands if he had the option. ;)
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I might like to see that.
Who knows, he just might pull it off.
He's the lead blocker...
on kickoff returns. As we sing Arenas’ praises, don’t underestimate the value that Copper brings in leading him to the right hole and providing a block that springs him.
by Alphacroon on Aug 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Absolutely correct
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 23, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
On top of that...
Copper had kind of a slow start last year, but had a sweet opening catch during the last Denver game last year. Got our team started on the right foot. I think it was a very important play in that game. Hope to see more like that from him this year.
He reminded me
of a Wes Welker type player
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
by XtaC69Chief on Aug 23, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you dare even start with that.
Everyone knows that our only Wes Welker players are Long, Urban, and McCluster.
And Bowe and Chambers.
Also Lawrence.
Certainly not Horne though.
I quit
If he can’t be a Wes Welker, who is he gonna be
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
Oh, and you might want to add Jackie Battle to this list...
I still have doubts about him making the team, but his performance Saturday helped. He looked like a strong runner and if I remember right had a good ST tackle.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions
This is true.
He looked like Derrick Blaylock out there.
(a guy that could be quite a surprise behind a good line)
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was awesome, and needs to be on the list.
see my post below.
Did Cassel play last year with the playbook on his arm?
I dont remember seeing it but maybe I wasn’t paying attention.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
I dont think he did
Im going to look at some pics and see if he did.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Yes, he did.
And, correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s not the playbook—it’s a code sheet. He get the code to his helmet, he reads the code on his arm.
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okay code sheet
I just googled him and saw 5 something pics and he had it. I was hoping that if he didn’t wear it last year, wearing it now would help, but yeah it doesn’t matter now.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Stat sheet may not validate Hali's status but...
A defensive guy like Wade Phillips coming into town and saying he’s the best pass rusher they’ll see all season sure does.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 23, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Way off topic but how much did Willis blowing up Favre last night remind you of Mays doing it last year in his first preseason game?
I’ll make it relate to last year by saying “Mays was in this category last year when he blew up Favre but quickly dropped off the chart so I hope these guys don’t do the same”.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Mays hit was harder
Willis more manhandled him… muscled him to the ground as he was backpedaling. I think it looked worse because Willis and another guy (not sure who that was) fell on him as he was going down… so he kinda got mangled in the tumble.
That Mays hit last year was more of a “hit” – and looked like it hurt more.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 23, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget Gilberry
He continues to show up in the pass rush. He has a chance to force the qb right into Hali’s arms, hopfully on a consistant basis.
by KC Scout on Aug 23, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That one play where
he chased Freeman down from behind and lept up and over him looked exactly like a lion taking down a gazelle. Freaking AWESOME.
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did you just reference
Freeman as a gazelle. I would say more like a water buffalo, but good analogy. It was a pretty legendary play.
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To be fair,
I also referenced that quickly-moving hippo named Gilberry as a lion.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Touche
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by XtaC69Chief on Aug 23, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, Studebaker too
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 9:15 AM CDT reply actions
He looks like the perfect heir apparent to
Vrabel. What I’d like to see/hear is whether or not he becomes the “quarterback of the defense” that everybody has been calling Vrabel for all these years.
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Horne was actually missed deep twice..
once by Cassel and once by Croyel, this guys seems to be a steal. Lets not let this guy slip away.
What about the O-line?
Albert | Waters | Weigman | Lilja | O’Callahan
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how did they look?
I still haven’t watched the game yet. Only what I could get online and it wasn’t very good.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
by jrcnc on Aug 23, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
VERY good
Commentators kept talking about how they “completly controlled the line of scrimage”
Looked good in pass and run.
Not perfect, of course, but much better
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Aug 23, 2010 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
thats good to hear
I was hoping that they were doing good. How did Asamoah look?
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
I have only been watching parts of the game on DVR
so, I haven’t noticed many of the individual performances…
I did see Weigmann out blocking on a screen… he still moves well!
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
I didnt focus on them every play
but I thought Asamoah and Brown looked pretty good together on the right side. I would really like to see these 2 get a chance to play with the 1st string offense and see what they can do
by badassz1987 on Aug 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, just a couple of instances of missed assignments
But I think that might be including the one that JC whiffed on picking up the blitz and probably had nothing to do with the O Line.
O’Call held up his side nicely all night.
I’m really happy with Albert’s play. He’s continuing what he did in the first game – solid blocking on the line, and getting down the field to really help extend plays for JC / Dex.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
agreed.
Albert has been more than solid. Hopefully he plays well all year and silences the critics
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Rather than say how THEY looked, tell me how
our run game and our passing game looked.
.
.
.
The answer is that it looked like we were doing pretty much whatever we wanted. Cassel had wonderful pockets from which to pass, and they were moving the pocket around a little to give him a little mobility. The running game seemed solid as well. Even TJ’s fumble was on what looked like a 6-yard gain.
The first team pretty much had its way, from what I could tell. First series, they dominated until the fumble; second series, they marched all the way up the field, [not sure what happened in their 3rd series]; fourth series, they took it from pretty deep with 5 minutes to go all the way to the 2 yard line before a couple penalties and a field goal.
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awesome thanks Justin
good to know that they had their way with them.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Philly is going to be a great test for the OL
They humiliated KC’s line last season so this will be a good gauge of any progress that’s been made over the past 11 months.
I really though Cassel was going to be injured in that game last year.
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Aug 23, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its not exactly a stat that can be placed...
but I would add that Cassel did a pretty good job at controlling the tempo of the game. As a result of getting into his rhythm he was able to put up decent stats. 70% of completed passes is doing a prettty darn good job too!
Go Chiefs!!!!
by ravenhawk on Aug 23, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Let's also not neglect to mention
how well he handled the end of the half (and a lot of credit can be given to Haley for correctly managing the game).
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First off...
I think it’s pretty clear that I am not a Cassel guy, but I will say this performance gave me hope that he can actually help our team. The biggest factor in my opinion that helped him was our newfound ability to run sweeps and screens. I cannot tell you how happy I was to see multiple sweeps in the game! I truly hope this is the foundation of our new offense. The sweeps and screens help open up the middle of the field for passing lanes, and if you really get good at it and can get the corners and LB’s to play farther outside, you now have the seam for the TE to streaking down field. It really reminded me of the Al Saunders offense and it made me happy.
by Stone Throwers on Aug 23, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions
While we're talking offensive packages
and what-sets-up-what,
go back to the beginning of this game and see the difference two quick passes (a quick slant left and a quick fade right, i think) make over the two TJ runs-up-the-middle from the first game.
I think it really helped.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Also...
tell me that watching Waters pull and wiegmann seal off the inside on those sweeps didn’t bring back memories of having a great offense.
by Stone Throwers on Aug 23, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It really did.
I think this is Weigman’s job now, btw.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
so they really did look good huh?
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
I already said that. :)
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I know just like reading it again!
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
by jrcnc on Aug 23, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What would you like to bash him on?
The only thing I can think of is that phantom bowe drop that nobody saw.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't
I’m usually one of the people defending, I feel lost now =) (poking jabs at the Cassel haters this week)
I seen it! I seen it I tells ya!
Plain as day…
OK… I’m gonna concede that one. Maybe it was just my first impression while watching the game live… I’m gonna go back and watch it again though.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ya know what...
If he manages all the games like he did this one, I will never again say an ill word about the man. The Chiefs don’t need a QB that can go out and win games single -handdedly. I just need one that wont loose games single-handdedly :) If he can be an official game manager, i’m on-board
by Stone Throwers on Aug 23, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well hop on board!
I don’t think they’re asking him to go out and be Peyton. Control the offense be a leader pick your spots BAM Championship! =)
I'll give it a shot :)
He tends to throw slightly behind his receivers on those intermediate routes, causing them to lose any chance of racking up YAC. How’s that? ;)
Predictions:
This year will be better
Hey, I see what you did there!
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Aug 23, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can we all agree that the play where
Cassel takes the shotgun snap and runs to his left to hand to the slot WR freaks us out every time? It looks so goddamn frenetic and disjointed, like he’s panicking, saying, “TAKE IT, JESUS, TAKE IT! RUN!”
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lol...
Bad memories of Albert playing under par I’d imagine.
Hopefully Albert continues to look good and Cassel gets more comfortable behind the line.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 23, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
no question about it
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Matt Cassel=Chad Pennington
Which is a good thing for our team. If he can stay above 60% all season long then we just have to stay positive on the turnover ratio. I love the offence like this….run run pass pass run run run run pass….we control the tempo and time of possession. The best thing is the field position..Javy can put us in a good spot everytime. Wow someone spiked my koolaid.
I like this comparison
I would’ve gone with Matt Hasselbeck, but I think they’re pretty much the same guy anyway.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassel has a stronger arm than Pennington
But it’s a good comparison.
I would really like to pick up Pennington if the ‘Phins end up cutting him, I think he’d be an ideal backup in this offense.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Right on
Still Matt’s arm may be stronger but his weakness is the same…“can’t go deep” So instead of big passes he relies on short accurate throws and thrives with a good running game…I like Cassel over Chad at this point from a potential standpoint. This is exactly what the regime wants..a soldier who can go out and perform a gameplan and get the ball to his play makers.
Here's what the three things I took away from this game:
In reverse order of the famous movie (so as to “Save The Best For Last” as it were):
THE UGLY:
The opening fumble. We recovered from it, but I hate that we got off to a bad start. For a team that is still a bit young and impressionable, the better you start greatly influences your chances of ultimately winning the game….which leads me to…
THE BAD:
We lost. Pre-season or not, winning is never a bad habit to have and I hate coming out of these games losing, regardless of how well we played. Again, for a team that is still a bit young and impressionable, the more wins we have, the better chance we have coming into the next game. Losing builds bad habits.
THE GOOD:
Many times in the pre-season I have to force myself to overlook certain things, for better or worse, because of the many times I’ve gotten too excited about good signs before, only to not see them materialize during the regular season. I particularly remember thinking our team looked better against Minnesota last year during the second pre-season game. (As improved as they were this game, I cannot recall as it’s just been too long ago, and hard to come to an unbiased conclusion with all of the 09 season now in hindsight.)
HAVING SAID THAT, there is one thing about last night’s game that I can TRULY feel good about: That being that while our offense was on the field (opening fumble non-withstanding) vs when their offense was on the field, I honestly saw a clear division between the two teams; in that from just watching them play (stats numbers aside, just the LOOK of the teams, how they handled pressure, and their general attitudes) you could tell that we were BETTER than the team we were playing, and I cannot, of the life of me tell you the last time I felt that way watching the Chiefs (probably 2005, I would guess). For the first time in years, it felt to me like we were on a different page from the opposing team, and that they could be looking to us as a team they hope to be. Now, no one ULTIMATELY wants to be the Chiefs right now, of course, but I think the Chiefs could still be emulated by other teams who simply just want to get better (assuming KC continues to play like they did last night). Basically, that game was no proof that we’re a great team…or even a GOOD team. But for the first time, I at least felt like FINALLY we’re not in the league toilet. There were some teams that might actually be worse than us this year. Yeah, technically we picked 5th in the draft in 2010, but you can still lump together (arguably) the top 5, top 8 or top 10 draft picks teams into one crappy “these teams suck” category. But for at least ONE game this year (one half of a game actually), I felt for a moment like we didn’t belong there. And having not felt that in a looooooong time…it felt good. :)
He missed the part about Casey Wiegmann
the Oline looked better with Casey starting than with Niswanger
especially when blocking on the 2nd level, wiegmann is just so much better at pulling and working in space.
Correect me if I'm wrong, but I thought Niswanger started?
Wiegmann came in on the second possession, then Niswanger returned for the second half, I thought. At least that’s what the announcers and starting line-up graphics implied. Could have been a mistake on their part, though.
Either way, I agree. I like Rudy, but Casey just plays better.
Casey started this week
I believe Rudy started last week. We need Casey to start just seems like our offense picks up when he is in there.
NO WAY Battle doesn't make this list.
Joel, I think Jackie Battle should be on this list right under Matt Cassel, and for purposes of playing time/depth chart, no one stood out more than him. He was a beast rushing the ball, and may have solidified the 3rd spot.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with the rest: Moore, Savage, ?
Savage?
He was cut in the offseason, I’m pretty sure.
I like Battle simply for the fact that he’s truly a “big” back, it would be nice to have someone like that for the 3rd/4th & inches situations.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I've never been a Battle fan
BUT, he did show up in this game, and on ST…
he’s gotta be ahead of Williams and Moore at this point
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Yeah, Battle has never lived up to any expectations
I don’t know what it is, because he seems to have the physical tools to be successful.
Personally I think Moore has shown enough that he’ll be on the PS. I don’t think Williams is PS eligible, so he’ll probably be cut. He doesn’t do anything particularly well, from what I’ve seen.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I'd add O'Connell
He made some nice blocks, including one where he opened up the hole for a nice run.
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