The D-Bowe Show Hasn't Gone Far From The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Aug 20, 2010 8:52 AM CDT
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The 2010 version of Kansas City Chiefs training has gone down without any big blowups, no major injuries (to key players, at least) and only a handful of showings by D-Bowe.
Yeah that's D-Bowe -- not Dwayne Bowe.
The Chiefs have been trying to curb the D-Bowe in Dwayne Bowe and while they've had much success in recent months -- he's not speaking to the media -- there's still a bit of D-Bowe there.
"He has talked to fans during drills in which he’s going the wrong direction and stood away from his teammates toward the end of last week’s game in Atlanta to hold the TV boom mic," Sam Mellinger of the Kansas City Star writes.
I think there's an element of D-Bowe you're never going to get rid of -- alking to the fans at training camp and doing whatever it is he does when he gets in front of the camera, among other things.
"Dropped passes, the saying goes, are more about concentration than talent," Mellinger continues. "The coaches’ rhetoric says Bowe is much improved in that area, but the lapses are too easy to notice."
I'm not sure if the lapses are easier to notice but I think we pay more attention to them. Unfortunately for Bowe, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because he had a poor 2009 season.
It's very, very easy to look past things when you're producing. It'll be interesting as the season goes, if Bowe starts to put up big numbers, whether the Chiefs let a little bit of D-Bowe come out.
Check out Sam Mellinger's full story on Bowe.
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I think Dwayne need to be D-Bowe every now and again. That’s his swagger, that’s his mojo. He sees a crowd he wants to perform. No problem with that. He just needs to not think about the performance until the whistle blows, whether it be after a tough catch, a first down, or a touchdown.
Do your job first, entertain second. I haven’t read near as many reports of drops in training camp, so I can only assume that he’s focusing a bit more on making the plays. I’m predicting he’ll have a 80-catch 1,000-yard, 8-TD type of season.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
by ArrowSpread on Aug 20, 2010 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think the key there is
“Do your job first, entertain second.”
I think, to a degree, the Chiefs would be OK with that.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 20, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
But isn't it his job to entertain?
Politics aside, Obama would of better been served, buying 5 "new" football teams.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 20, 2010 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Depends on how you define entertaining
If by entertain you mean “catch passes”, then yes.
If instead you mean “drop another pass, then do some grandstanding in front of the crowd / cameras” – no.
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Yeah, you can entertain via touchdown catches
by Joel Thorman on Aug 20, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I would be very entertained by touchdown catches!
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by Fozzyboyd on Aug 20, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed & Rec'd
Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010
by ChiefsChance on Aug 20, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
A football coach isn't going to change the personality of a 26(?) year old man
I think Bowe can be a great receiver, but he’s always going to be inconsistent, that’s just his nature. Unless I’m wrong about this I won’t be surprised to see D-Bowe traded after this season…hopefully he’ll maximize his value with good numbers.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I dont see us trading him
we would just open up more holes that we would need to fix. I think a certain level of D-Bowe is acceptable, and a certain level of Dwayne Bowe is acceptable. While he is lined up on the field playing we should see Dwayne. If he wants to interact with the fans let him do it in his way.
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by jrcnc on Aug 20, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know
If they could get a high second or possibly a first rounder (If Dwayne does very good this year) I could see Pioli trading him if he thinks he can pick up a mire disciplined/consistent receiver.
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by Scaryclouds on Aug 20, 2010 9:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Right
and I don’t think he’d be traded because of his personality, but I do think he would be due to inconsistency. You know how Haley wants “The same guy every day”. I think it depends on the compensation.
Predictions:
This year will be better
if its something Pioli can't pass up
then yes he will get shipped off. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing if it happens we will have to wait and see!
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I would be surprised
If he was traded. I highly doubt we will trade him off unless we rob someone. I think Bowe has a lot of respect for Haley now, and I think their relationship will continue to grow. You have to remember how good of friends Keyshawn Johnson and Haley are. I don’t see Keyshawn being a receiver that keeps his mouth shut any more than Bowe
by groundedchevy on Aug 20, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, but it's not about his mouth & personality
It’s about the consistency. If he’s consistently good he’s an asset. If he’s inconsistently good he’s a liability, because you never know what you’re going to get week-to-week.
Predictions:
This year will be better
A good rule of thumb
don’t compare Dwayne Bowe to one of the best receivers of all time.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No disrespect
But Keyshawn Johnson isn’t even close to one of the best WR’s of all time.
He had 4 1,000 yard seasons in 11 years. He had more seasons with under 900 yards.
Good receiver. Not a great one. I can think of a dozen CURRENT receivers that I’d rather have on my team, let alone all time receivers.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Now, what you CAN say about Keyshawn...
He had some of the best hands of all time.
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And he was a good blocker
Like I said; good receiver, just not a great one.
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That's a common misconception, but I'll gently correct you with
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm
- all time. 1300 yards behind Michael Irvin.
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yeah and hes only 366 yards above Rison
do you consider Rison one of the best of all time?
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Fair point.
But Rison was pretty damn good there for a minute.
I stand by my point! Keyshawn was excellent, comparing DBowe to him, other than to point out that KJ is his best prototype, simply isn’t fair.
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Rison sure does.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
*applause*
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
To be fair,
I didn’t say “THE BEST EVER”, I said one of the best ever.
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Regardless, it’s not fair to Bowe to be compared to a guy like that.
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Now I totally agree with that last part
Johnson was mostly consistent, and Bowe’s never really been that.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Bowe
I personally don’t think Bowe is as inconsistent as most fans think. Look at his first two years with a million different QB’s and he was one of the most consistent players on our team (which doesn’t speak well of our team). Last year was bad, but the whole team was bad with drops. I will wait till I see him this year to make my judgement. In my mind I’ve seen 2 good years to 1 bad year, and I’ll hold my judgement until after this one.
by groundedchevy on Aug 20, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same here
It’ll be good to see where he’s at. This is a “what have you done for me lately” profession, and people are forgetting that his first two years were excellent.
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think people forget too
What he had to go through in those first 2 years….its pretty impressive he posted the numbers he did
by groundedchevy on Aug 20, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh come now
You were just getting on me for throwing out hyperbole (“one of the best of all time?”), and here you say he had an excellent first two seasons.
Let’s look:
2007 – 70/117 Recs, 995 yds (24th), 5 TDs
2008 – 86/158 Recs, 1022 yds (18th), 7 TDs
2009 – 47/87 Recs, 589 yds (71st), 4 TDs
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Compare the first two seasons to Keyshawn
Bowe posted better numbers…How many QB’s did Keyshawn have throwing to him in those first two years? How many did Bowe have?
by groundedchevy on Aug 20, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Coachs
Even Keyshawn had a down his first year in Tampa…Is this similar to Bowe’s first year under Haley?
by groundedchevy on Aug 20, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, I should've been more specific
When looking at his first two seasons, he had excellent production for a 1st and 2nd year receiver and better than anyone but CJ (and about on par with him) out of his class.
See, to me, “excellent” is “well above average”. And when you look at 1st and 2nd year WR’s, Bowe’s numbers were well above average.
Does that work a little better?
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
He was 24th and 18th in the league.
That’s not well above average. That’s below average for a #1.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe he means...
Well above average for a receiver in his rookie and sophomore years.
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by ArrowSpread on Aug 20, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
But most rookies don’t come even close to those numbers, and many sophomore players don’t either.
Can he do more than that? I guess we’ll see.
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Hey, that's impressive
It shows that he was relatively consistent and stayed healthy for most of his long career. However…
Was Muhsin Muhammad one of the best of all time too?
Career yardage is a useful tool, but it a consistently GOOD player that stays healthy can look better than they actually were.
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I know we're going down the rabbit hole on this one,
but career yardage isn’t really why KJ was one of the best ever, it was just a starting point.
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Oh I see. And yes, we are going down a rabbit hole, and that's cool with me :)
To be fair, naming a player one of the greatest ever can be relatively subjective.
To me, the guy needs to be top 15 of all time at his position to be called that, and he had to be dominant. KJ was neither of those IMO, but again, those are both pretty subjective terms.
For me, top 15 means “I can’t think of 15 other guys I’d rather have than this guy in his prime”.
But again, subjective…
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
That's fine with me.
My approach is typically “was he one of the top 5 in the game while he was playing (for more than a few years)?”
It’s a lot bigger pack, sure.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Now I see where we're getting our lines crossed
How about we just go ahead and agree that Keyshawn was a much more consistent performer, and to compare Bowe after 3 seasons is a little out there?
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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 20, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
He was consistently above average and near the top while he played.
Bowe is and has not been near the top.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Being inconsistent is not the mark of a great receiver
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
yeah, I contradicted myself there
I meant that he can be a great receiver if he can learn to be consistent & focused. I have my doubts about that.
Predictions:
This year will be better
by jmcgoblue on Aug 20, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't need to change his personality, just temper it.
I behave much differently at 48 than I did at 26. My first child was born when I was 26 and I began to behave very differently than I did when I was 24. Maturity is a progression, not a change. I am still the same guy I was at 25. I like the same activities, laugh at the same jokes, married to the same woman, drink the same beer. But I behave much differently because I have matured. I know when to play and when to work. I know there are certain things that I would really like to do that I don’t because they are detrimental to my goals (I’d love season tickets, but I can only afford to go to one game).That’s what D-Bowe needs to do. No need to “change his personality”, just mature.
by whoadog on Aug 20, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahem.......(clears throat).........
La,la,la,la,la,la…………..(Very melodically) “Somewhere over Dewayne Bowe………….”
"The Hammer"
by G.L. on Aug 20, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Oh dear.
Un-rec!
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Mellinger's story
The story said that TO earned the right to do what he does. TO’s numbers were not much better than D-Bowe’s last year and he played more games. Prior to last year D-Bowe by most standards was off to a fairly promising career. Granted he was awful last year, but that is over and I think the guy has learned a few things and we will all be singing his praises by mid season. Bowe has a personality and we should appriciate it as long as he performs. He has done that this off season and looks to be back on track thanks to some coaching by Haley. I think the first two years are more what D-Bowe is capable of than 2009. What is wrong with putting on a show while doing your job. Just keep his mouth shut
Jerome
Yeah but T.O. is going to be in the convo for a HOF career
I think Sam was talking about T.O.’s whole body of work.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 20, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, when you take TO in his prime
He was a top 3 receiver.
Bowe’s not close to that right now.
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1996 to 2009
2007 to 2009…I have hope. Anyone know what TO did his first three years. Rice was awful his first year. Dropped everything he touched. Walsh was patient.
Jerome
I think Bowe is the last real symbol
of the Vermeil/Edwards era. We keep hoping he’ll get better, he keeps sticking around, never quite putting it all together (Simms, DJ, Bowe, etc). It’s a real shame too, he coulda been great. But to paraphrase the now-immortal Dennis Green quote, he is exactly who we thought he was. An average receiver that would probably be a decent 3rd option on a good team.
The problem now is that we may have two more Bowe’s in TJ and Dorsey. If not in work ethic and attitude, then results. We probably have another year to decide on each.
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I'm judging them based on years of evidence of how
lack-of-impact rookies and sophomores eventually turn out. Dorsey, through circumstance, positioning, or something else, hasn’t quite turned the corner and he should already be there.
TJ, as a 3-4 end, should start showing significant results by the end of the year.
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come on, think positive, lighten up and catch the DwayneBowe
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by upamtn on Aug 20, 2010 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
My best friend is the regional manager for Vintage Stock
They deal in collectibles, memorabilia and such – including used video games and systems.
Dwayne came into one of the KC stores some time back and bought an 8-bit Nintendo and Excite Bike, and was apparently very stoked about it lol.
He’s just a kid who hasn’t learned the art of tact.
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by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions
hey I still have the 8-bit
I break out Duck Hunt, Frogger, and Contra from time to time and get excited about it!
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Yes, we're still kids too, albeit a 37 year old one
We just haven’t had the misfortune of being in the media spotlight and having to watch everything we say to anyone. We also haven’t really had to face the reality that people are NOT your friends, so trust the “super-niceys” the least…at least not at the level these guys do. Thank Odin.
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by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Aug 20, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
CONTRA!
up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, start!
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by ArrowSpread on Aug 20, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude.....Excite bike rocked my face off.
Still love that game.
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by Brian Harris on Aug 20, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my God!
It’s a full on complete double Dwayne Bowe all the way across the field! WHAT DOES IT MEAN? SO INTENSE!
by CapsLockKey on Aug 20, 2010 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is better than the Over Dwayne Bowe.
+1/2 rec
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Andre Rison mentioned Bowe.
They were interviewing Andre Rison, on ESPN’s First Take this morning, as he is coaching the team at his former highschool. He worked out some with Fitz./ and Bowe, this offseason, and he thinks Bowe can be one of the best in the league, “if he gets some help from the rest of the team.” He stated that he had no idea of how talented Bowe was, until he started working out with him. So, if Dwayne Bowe plays to his potential, and has a supporting cast, then I would think Haley would allow D. Bowe to slowly re-emerge as the season progresses.
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