Chiefs LB Tamba Hali Could Surpass Broncos LB Elvis Dumervil In 2010
Recently I chatted with Bill Barnwell of FootballOutsiders.com about the 2010 version of the Kansas City Chiefs. FO came out with their 2010 Almanac and I was was able to get a sneak peek at it.
It's a fascinating read the way they try to break down the games in numbers, similar to Sabermetrics in baseball.
We already know that FO's numbers say the Chiefs will win the AFC West and that their schedule is predicted to be among the easiest in the league.
They also said way back in February that Chiefs OLB Tamba Hali is the best pass-rusher in the AFC West -- and that includes Broncos OLB Elvis Dumervil.
"I think that the difference between them is much smaller than the public perception of the difference between them," Barnwell told us this week. "Dumervil attacks an offense's weakest point; Hali usually spends most of his time rushing at left tackle, and he does a good job of it; he abused Ryan Clady last year, among the league's best left tackles.
"When you add hits and hurries to the equation, Hali had 41.5 quarterback "incidents", and Dumervil had 41. He's better against the run, and with Dumervil playing in front of a far superior secondary, Hali likely had to get to the quarterback quicker."
I've said this week that during training camp Hali is one of those guys with a non-stop motor. He's definitely a coach's favorite because of that and even though the sack numbers may not show it, his hustle is making a difference.
Barnwell, by the way, has a good track record of predicting this sort of stuff.
He wrote in August of 2009: "We're very high on Charles, who was far better than either Johnson or Kolby Smith a year ago. I think the chances of Johnson making it to the Pro Bowl are probably a little below that of Johnson losing his job to Charles altogether. So we'll see, I guess."
Some of you didn't think that was possible last year at this time. Maybe we'll see the same result with Hali.
We'll have some more from Barnwell and the FO crew as the week goes on.
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Hali is and was our only pass rushing threat on a very poor defense so he gets more extra attention and most/all of the TE help and chipping RB/FBs on his side for the most part.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Add to THAT...
Hali made more plays in the form of turnovers and safeties in his 8.5 sacks than Elvis did in his 17.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Herm said it when he drafted Tamba.
He said Tamba had a nonstop motor. I’m kinda surprised he’s done so well at LB. The knock on him was his alleged lack of speed. Rock on Tamba! Go Chiefs!
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his way" Josh Billings
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Herm? Seriously??
Herm also said Tank Tyler was a steal and was going to be the next great defensive player in the NFL after he drafted him.
And Brody was on the verge…
And Tony Richardson wasn’t needed…
And… oh forget it… you see where I’m going.
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Tank Tyler
actually did have a 1st round grade by most scouts…he just came with baggage, enough to drop him into the 3rd round…but you’re right on everything else.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Keep in mind that he was drafted to play a 4-3 DT, and that he didn't fit into a 3-4 scheme.
I know it’s all Herms fault, let’s all blame Herm. Without Herm where would we be with the players that are still on the team even though we changed schemes hmmmmm. Take away players like Flowers, Carr, and Hali, and IMO were damn lucky Hali is still with us. If he wouldn’t have been able to adjust to the OLB spot he wouldn’t have been here either.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
by skunk420: Facing the left tackle all day, in perpetual blitz, Hali's more of an upright DE than anything else, imo.
They’ll line up Dorsey a little wider or drop Hali into a zone, occasionally, but really they’re not looking for a whole lot of covering-in-space from him.
I think the previous regime only saw ’tweeners as hand-in-the-dirt DEs, and expected LBs to cover like safeties.
I always saw Hali as the closest thing to Derrick Thomas that the Chiefs have had since. I think DT had better speed and about the same amount of power as Hali, but even though he COULD run with a RB in the pattern, it wasn’t something one necessarily wanted to see very often. I’m hoping to see Hali line up between Dorsey and NT, just to throw offenses off-balance a time or three in a game. He can attack that B-gap or loop around Dorsey on the outside. O-Lines might struggle with those kinds of changeups.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Ink his ass up Scotty P
Use him as a statement for other former first rounders on this team that if you produce – you will be paid.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 2, 2010 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
Use him as a statement for other former first rounders on this team that if you produce – you will be paid
Does that include DJ, considering your quote “pay the man & play the man?” :-)
by FalconMF27 on Aug 2, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
DJ has proven he can produce
he just needs the playing time to do so.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 2, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
If the secondary play improves, and the
defensive line play improves as they should, Hali could turn into a holy terror in terms of rushing the passer.
"The Hammer"
Still need someone pushing the pocket from the other side
But even marginal improvement in both of the areas you mention should turn his 8.5 sacks well into double digits.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
While we're at it,
If the offense can improve and get us a lead, it will put him in more situations for him to make plays.
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
by ArrowSpread: Yes. Push the pocket from the other side.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
No Homo?
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As long as he as the word order right
we’re good.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
by Sudden on Aug 2, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
lmao. LET's HOPE!!!
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Greened.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
I love him too
Semi-homo
Tough times never last, but tough people do.
by MadMartigan816 on Aug 2, 2010 4:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just waiting for MHR to get ahold of this and all hell to break loose
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
That didn't take long
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/8/2/1601449/chiefs-lb-tamba-hali-could-surpass
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I think they're still a bit miffed by the result of the last game of the season.
2010 Prediction: Chiefs go 10-6 and make playoffs
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by giftedchiefsfan on Aug 2, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Fact is if FO said The Donkeys or Raiders or Chargers were the best at something or were going to win something
It would be posted on the front page of their respective sites as well.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
lol.
Had a little fun at the bronco fan’s expense. wasn’t too harsh though. We should all go hit their site at the same time some day.
it's a really great site
@ there’s a lot of really smart people there@
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's see another year
Before we give him the #58 jersey. What do you say?
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I ended up ordering the book!
dang you Joel and your links + amazon prime 1 click ordering!
Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium and when rivals think they are going to be fine on an island of Flowers, they will get hit by what feels like a Carr. Ultimately, they will never be able to eat a Berry ever again.
Me too lol.
How much commission are you getting on us Joel? ha.
Get Pat Kirwin’s book too dude. It is great!
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I ended up ordering that book too!
dang you Shane and your recommendations + amazon prime 1 click ordering!
Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium and when rivals think they are going to be fine on an island of Flowers, they will get hit by what feels like a Carr. Ultimately, they will never be able to eat a Berry ever again.
You will not regret it.
I got the full package deal with the audio cd’s too so I can listen to it while I commute.
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 2, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha
No commission…just thought it was really well done/interesting.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 2, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I called Charles a faster version of Priest Holmes last year on WI in the pay forum
and got made fun of. Who’s laughing now. I always liked Charles and I always thought he was under utilized. But hey, I liked Sly MO and D Bowes cousin too. So maybe I am not perfect.
Just tried to log in to see exactly my quote
and date and time, but I guess since I don’t pay anymore, I cant access it. Bummer. I do remember it being just before training camp.
I still don't get the verbal abuse.
You can disagree with someone without being insulting or demeaning about it.
Ya gotta go with what your eyes tell ya, fgxtom, even if you’re seeing it differently than the majority. It’s not like the smartest guys on here are NFL coaches.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Lol pretty cheesy but funny nickname
+91
by Arrowhead816 on Aug 2, 2010 5:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And I have way too much respect for Tamba
To compare him to someone like Bryant.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
As I look into my crystal ball, tell me which Chief will sack them all...
There came a rumble, a spoof, and a shake or two. Then it showed Tamba Hali, doin the dew.
Don't overlook
that Elvis had an excellent defensive coordinator in Mike Nolan. Tamba had Clancy. Enough said. Let’s see what Tamba can do with a real, proven coordinator like Romeo.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Still not throwin' Clancy under the bus. Maybe not a great fit in KC or part of long-term plan, but
I thought he did OK with what he had, and where they were pointing this team for the future. There were things he had to do and players he had to do it with that were less than ideal. If KC had stuck with 4-3, they were closer to having a semi-respectable defense. But that would’ve set ’em back for this year.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Here's what I'm thinking...
This year:
Hali: 12 sacks, 4 FF, 38 QB Hurries
Doom: 15 sacks, 2 FF, 36 QB Hurries
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Dumervil got paid and I have a hunch his numbers will drop now.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Hali more sacks than Elivs? in a word ...
no
(not THIS year … and not until he has a LOT more help all around him … maybe in a couple of years, but not THIS year, and besides … I’m guessing Crennel is going to do a lot of Safety or even CB Blitzing, so we’re more likely to see a lot of guys with a few sacks rather than one player with a lot of sacks)
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
That makes me wonder
if Eric Berry will be used like the Packers once used LeRoy Butler. Wasn’t he the only player in history with something like 20 sacks and 20 int’s?…or maybe 30 or each? I know it was something like that.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
Wikipedia says...
He was the first defensive back in NFL history to gain entrance in the 20 Sack/20 Interception Club.
With that, I’d guess John Lynch was the second…but I dont care enough to google that.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
P.S.
I’ve only posted just a handful of times this entire summer so good to see/read you again Steve.
The studs from the 2010 draft class will be: DT Ndamukong Suh, S Eric Berry, RB C.J. Spiller, RB Jahvid Best, WR Arrelious Benn, WR Golden Tate, WR Mardy Gilyard, OT Charles Brown, CB Kyle Wilson and S Chad Jones
I said that a million times....
FO owes me some jack
he abused Ryan Clady last year, among the league’s best left tackles.
Don't need your special set of glassed-over eyes...
…to see that Hali abused Clady. You will get precisely that. Jack.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.

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