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Chiefs Vs. Bucs Preseason: Plenty Of Similarities Between The Two

I've been intrigued by the Tampa Bay Bucs in the last year because, in several ways, they're very similar to the Chiefs.

After checking out Bucs Nation for a little bit, here are a few similarities I've found.

The big guys up front

The Bucs have two big defensive tackles on that line, including the third overall pick Gerald McCoy and second round pick Brian Price. Much of their success is being tied to the play of those two.

The Chiefs have a pair of defensive ends, both of which are top five picks. Like McCoy and Price, Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson's success will be critical to the Chiefs success.

Star-divide

The good old days

Both teams are trying to hold onto the memories of being a good team.

For the Bucs, that's the 2002 Super Bowl. Some of you are probably like me and still think, at times, of that defense and Warren Sapp when talking about the Bucs.

For the Chiefs, it's the 2003 season, the Vermeil era and much of the 90s. We still refer back to those times as the "good old days".

Developing the quarterback

The Bucs have a young quarterback that they need to develop in Josh Freeman. The Chiefs have something similar in Matt Cassel.

Both had so-so years in 2009 but some of that was to be expected. The Bucs probably have the lead in this category because Freeman is several years younger (and cheaper) than Cassel.

Unproven coaches

Both have unproven, second-year coaches in Raheem Morris and Todd Haley.

Morris had a rough year last year and some thought he wouldn't make it to his second year but he did. Haley also had a rough year with four wins in 2009.

The fanbase

Both teams are at a critical point with their fanbases.

The Bucs game against the Chiefs will be blacked out in Tampa for the first time since they moved into the Raymond James Stadium in 1998. Similarly the Chiefs will be facing blackout questions in the coming weeks and months.

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Any other similarities between the two? Disagree with me on any of these?

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Ahh, ok

well that sux then…guess I’ll look for it on justintv then. They should really just have it available on NFL.com for free.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here

I posted a fanshot for us to talk about it in, that way we aren’t hijacking these threads over and over again.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

on no its cool

just been to about 3 threads already and its posted in all of them. I will talk about it anywhere anyone wants to! :)

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing

I generally consider the Schottenheimer years the good years. As nice as it was having such a high powered offense during Vermeil’s tenure, our defense was just so bad that I can’t consider those the “good years.” I always felt our record of 13-3 in 2003 was an illusion and made us look better than we really were at the time.

...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.

by Sudden on Aug 19, 2010 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

I always like the Marty years as well….great D. I miss having a D that would turn a game at anytime.

"Chiefs will...crush our enemies, see them drivin before us and hear the lamentation of the women."

by Brian Harris on Aug 19, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also rec'd

The defense from the Marty days has been sorely missed.

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Aug 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't Josh Freeman a Chiefs fan?

Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium and when rivals think they are going to be fine on an island of Flowers, they will get hit by what feels like a Carr. Ultimately, they will never be able to eat a Berry ever again.

by worc on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

He went to Grandview HS (same as me)

Guess I should cheer for him, but I think he’ll be a bust…nothing good comes out of Grandview, MO ;)

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

It wasn’t too bad in the late ‘80s. I haven’t been back there in 20 years though, so I’ve no idea what it’s like now…. I always thought Belton was supposed to be the Meth factory.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

When I say "It wasn't too bad"

The “It” I’m referring to is Grandview, not Meth. ;)

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clearing that up...

Grandview also has some good swamp donkeys

by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had to look that up

but if what you stated earlier is true, it’s kinda a given, right?

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always liked Josh Freeman.

He’s gonna be a hell of a good QB.

The only other similarity I’ve seen between the Bucs and Chiefs is last I saw they were 31st and 32nd in total payroll.

by craig in calgary on Aug 19, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Both of the owners care more about their futbol teams than they do about their football teams.

As the canadian pointed out, we are the two teams that spend the least on payroll….and hey look how we both finished last year, weird.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Aug 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Money...

New car, caviar, four star daydream
Think I’ll buy me a football team…

In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden tables stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Aug 19, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they are singing about a different type of football team :)

love the Floyd, my half sleeve of the wall will tell you that, if you ever meet me in person and get to see it!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absololutely

Which is why it gets 66% of the Shocker.

The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.

by ArrowSpread on Aug 19, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

so? so what, I'm still a rock star ...

I rather like Pink … and I’m far from someone who likes most Teeny Bopper stuff

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

didn't you just complain that the chiefs pay cassel too much

now you’re saying shame on the chiefs for not paying the players enough. sound kind of conflicting.

Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?

by Leaf on Aug 19, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

and, of course, last year both teams had fans thinking ...

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

wait, what was this thread supposed to be about, again?

oh yeah, the Bucs game

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

at least that's constructive criticism :)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

well thank you for not calling him Casshole.....

I feel much better reading Cassel sucks. :)

My virginal eyes can’t take all the Casshole slinging!

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 19, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

virginal?

damn, Heather … guess I misjudged you

now about this "suck" thing...

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is a football blog....

the only sucking going on here is with our Chiefs!!!!

ok, that was awful, I feel really bad for saying that :(

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 19, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

no worries, Heather ...

… we can start our own “blog” (so that’s what you call it these days, huh)

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh my god.....LOL

I’m sorry up…I don’t know what kind of girl you think I am! I’m saving myself for when the Chiefs win a Superbowl!!!!!

LOL

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 19, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

well then, you "owe" for Jan 1970

KC 23
MN 7

huge grin

you know I’m kidding …

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok apparently I didn't clarify....

for when the Chiefs win the superbowl again…..

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

No worries.

Hey, you haven’t emailed me your boobies in a while.

Just saying.

by craig in calgary on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was private Craig....LOL

and I’d like to see more speedo pics too! just sayin….

by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 19, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll just forward teh ones I collected.

I have some of Joel too if you want them.

"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"

by Jux on Aug 19, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point is...

Freeman> Casselhoff
Freeman is way more athletic, way more potential. Cassell, at best, could be Grbac

I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave

by ArrowDread on Aug 19, 2010 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Freeman has looked pretty good

Cassel is probably on Grbac’s level now, his upside is more like Trent Green.

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

stag, is that supposed to be a compliment?
Cassel is probably on Grbac’s level now

if that’s where he’s at, be afraid … be very afraid

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

no, not a compliment… just saying he’s already as “good” as Grbac ever was…

and we have yet to see the best of Cassel, IMHO. I really think he’ll be much better this year

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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