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Chiefs Training Camp: Full Night Practice Report

I gave you a quick update on the Kansas City Chiefs training camp practice on Wednesday night.

My full report is below. Here's my report at SB Nation Kansas City that's a little condensed into play of the day, the first rookie hazing and stuff like that.

Jamaal Charles had a nice catch down the left sideline. He was being pursued in coverage by Derrick Johnson and caught the ball over the shoulder.

Casey Wiegmann ran with the first team.

On one play, Javier Arenas blitzed from the nickel which made Matt Cassel get rid of the ball quickly. Cassel found Dexter McCluster on a quick slant. Nothing incredibly special about the play but good timing by both sides on this one.

In the first team nickel defense, Mike Vrabel and Derrick Johnson were at inside linebacker while Tamba Hali and Cameron Sheffield were on the outside. Studebaker had been in Sheffield's place previously.

Star-divide

Catch of the day: Tony Moeaki streaking down the middle of the field and, with at least three defenders within a few feet of him, outstretched his hands and made the catch from Cassel. He might have been able to take it to the house. No more ankle problem for him, apparently.

[Editor's note: Didn't someone say Moeaki's return would make a difference?]

Seeing Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Flowers go at it is always fun. Bowe's been working on breaking to the sideline quickly and making the catch while keeping his feet in bounds. That play is nearly impossible to defend if run perfectly.

Tyler Palko hit Jerheme Urban on a skinny post that somehow slipped past the defender. It would have been a 50+ yard touchdown.

Ryan Succop was good from 37, 41 and 51 yards. On the 51 yarder, Todd Haley was standing right in front of him waiving something to distract him.

Dexter McCluster and Javier Areans were taking returns during special teams stuff.

Dustin Colquitt is still the man. My unofficial hang time was in the neighborhood of five seconds though I heard anywhere from 4.8 to 5.2. He was kicking off from his own one and then from the 50 trying to land it inside the ten. He'll be a weapon once again.

Brandon Carr had a nice comeback week. He broke up a few passes tonight including stretching his hands out to knock one down near the sidelines that was intended for Chris Chambers (from Cassel).

Bowe was running a crossing pattern and Cassel tried to hit him but led him a little too far (and low) and Bowe couldn't make the catch. He got his hands on it and could have caught it but it wasn't the best pass in the world.

Jamaal Charles had a nice run where he broke outside and it put him one-on-one with the safety along the sidelines. Would have been an 8-10 yard gain or a 70 if he could break away from the safety.

The Chiefs were trying to get in position to spike the ball after a play (situational drills) and Jackie Battle jumped offsides causing a few disappointed faces.

Cameron Sheffield is showing up lately. I gotta admit I didn't expect much from the guy but at several points on Wednesday night he would have had a shot at a sack, including a wide open look at Tyler Palko. I mean, he would've knocked him outta the game he was so open.

Brandon Carr picked off a Cassel-to-Chambers pass during situational team period.

Mike Vrabel nearly picked off a Palko pass. Palko was going deeper and Vrabel, in the middle of the field, tipped the ball up in the air and almost had a shot at picking it.

Travis Daniels picked off a Palko pass as well. On the next play, a Palko pass was batted in the air by the defensive backs and dropped. It should have been an interception.

Bill Stull fumbled a snap at one point but overall I thought he looked good considering how long he's been here.

On one play, the pocket broke down in front of Stull so he launched a deep ball to Rich Gunnell, who had to stop and wait for the ball to come. He jumped and made the catch around two other defenders.

Ricky Price had a great interception down the field. Stull went deep to Verran Tucker but it was too deep and Price barely got his feet in-bounds to make the grab.

Vrabel had a sack on Cassel.

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is today final St Joe practice before they head off to Tampa?

… and wonder what they’ll be looking for in Pretend Game #2 … Cassel probably entire first half since Croyle is out for the week … Palko and Stull split 2nd half reps

maybe DJ and Belcher starting ILBs and see how they do against Bucs 1st Team Unit

wonder also if TJ opens at RB or if it’s Charles … either way I imagine 2-3 series for each before Dex goes out to flash his shoes

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by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

or breaks them again...

it should of been Dex, not Berry, that signed the rebok contract…he goes through shoes like baby does diapers

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Aug 19, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

adidas

does anyone know what the league wide shoe situation is? Reebok is uniform sponsor/provider…but does that go to shoes? Seems like i read the shoes he keeps shredding are nikes, which further adds to my confusion. Can everybody stop what they’re doing until this mystery is solved? endorses adidas, destroys nike (good for adidas), but maybe only can wera reeboks in the games (weird for all)….

CHIEFS WILL

by chiefsinchina on Aug 19, 2010 9:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

btw

I believe that Adidas owns Reebok anyway. But, no, I don’t know any of those policies.

Charlie Weis' Leg

by kabrink on Aug 19, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

that would make sorta sense

but im pretty sure nike owns reebok (and converse and umbro too)

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by chiefsinchina on Aug 19, 2010 9:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

and Cole Haan

if you need some nice shoes.

Charlie Weis' Leg

by kabrink on Aug 19, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

adidas

does anyone know what the league wide shoe situation is? Reebok is uniform sponsor/provider…but does that go to shoes? Seems like i read the shoes he keeps shredding are nikes, which further adds to my confusion. Can everybody stop what they’re doing until this mystery is solved? endorses adidas, destroys nike (good for adidas), but maybe only can wera reeboks in the games (weird for all)….

CHIEFS WILL

by chiefsinchina on Aug 19, 2010 9:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

depends on the player

the official sponsor of the NFL is reebok.. however, if an individual player has an endorsement deal with another provider (under armour, nike, etc.) then everything on the field that they wear besides the actual uniform has to be provided by that sponsor, including shoes

so all nfl players must wear reebok unless they are sponsored by another company, which would have to be cleared through the front office of their team

by chiefs22 on Aug 19, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank you, Chris!

sheesh, I ask about FOOTBALL and half of AP goes off on a tangent about SHOES … there’s a blog for that, isn’t there?

shame on me, look what I started!

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by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

good to hear about Brandon Carr

I really hope he can put it all together this season and not be the weak link.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

He looked pretty good last night.

The only problem I see is he still has a hard time turning his head around. He plays off of the WR actions which won’t always work. He’s going to have to start feeling when to turn his head and locate the ball

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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Aug 19, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

he is going to have to fix that

because I feel he could be the one targeted by the other teams to pick on all game.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Without a doubt he will be targeted.

Last night they had B. Flowers and E. Berry on the same side. So it’s safe to assume one side will be shut down. I don’t think Carr needs to get a lot of ints but rather turn his head to avoid pass interference calls

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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Aug 19, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

good point

by him not turning his head he is going to draw alot of pass interference calls. Hopefully E. Thomas can get all this worked out and Carr can fix his head turning problem before Monday Night!

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Because if he doesn’t, it won’t matter who he’s covering. Rivers will eat him alive.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just hope Berry can help him out

because you are right Rivers will see that and pick him apart all damn game.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

but with Jackson out does SD have anyone who can play the #2 WR?

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont really think they have anybody outside of Floyd...

but Gates could be considered a number 1 WR the way he plays

Chiefs Will

by tomahawk44 on Aug 19, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

but I’d expect Berry to be on his ass, not Carr

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey hey changed the avatar pic huh?

maybe Page will come back now that you changed it.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha yeah decided to rock Chambers for a bit

I will prob never have Page there again… he has pissed me off haha

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by tomahawk44 on Aug 19, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just really wish

that both sides could have worked something out in that whole deal

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by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

me to man

Im glad that Lewis is showing some promise though.. If he can be atleast as good as Page we will be alright

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by tomahawk44 on Aug 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah Lewis is one I have high hopes for

when we drafted him I was kind of confused but I think even then back in April Pioli and Co. knew what was going on with Page and knew he wouldn’t be back.

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by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep, there's a chance that Pioli knows more than us :)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

or at least Wright does!

he seems to always get Haley with a question or two, that is why we need to get him on here soon.

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by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nannee (spelling?)

he has shown up at times and caught the deep pass from Rivers during the preseason game

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by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I've been saying all along..

about him turning his head. That is something he can fix. And I am confident ET will get him straightened out. He will be a solid CB for us.

by ExRoyalsFan on Aug 19, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, that'll be huge for us

we need solid play from our #2 CB. It’ll be much better if Carr can keep it going strong and be that other solid starting CB. He has more size & experience. That would also allow Arenas to be the nickel CB which is a better fit for him IMO. It’ll also allow him to conserve a little more energy that he can use in the return game where we also need him (and it appears he’ll have a big impact there).

by lateralus8 on Aug 19, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be practically giddy

If Sheffield manages even 3 or 4 sacks for us this year.

This is nuts. Every rookie we’ve got (except maybe Asamoah) has looked better than ANY of our rookies did at this point last year (except maybe Succop).

Is this going to be one of those crazy years where we lucked out with almost every pick?

And yes, it would be luck. Any time a 3rd-5th rounder can contribute much, luck is nearly as big a factor as scouting and GM skill. It’s almost as big a deal with 1st and 2nd round picks too.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Sheffield could really get everyone around here excited

if he can sack the QB like you said in the limited amount of playing time he will recieve it will really boost this defense.

The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.

by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope so.

We could use a couple diamonds in the rough.

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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 19, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

but I will temper my expectations

and revisit Corey Mays from last preseason.

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by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very, very, very, very, very

Good point

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember though...

Two of those 3-5 round picks are much higher picks if the circumstances are different. If Moeaki doesn’t have the injury bug in college he probably goes alot higher. It’s a risk for us but based on his injury history alot of those things can be taken care of with NFL conditioning coaches as long as he puts in the work. And Lewis also probably gets much higher consideration if he runs a faster 40(probably late 2nd early 3rd). The thing is, as we saw a bit on Friday, his instincts make him alot faster and quicker in game then any stop watch can measure him.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 19, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good points

But there’s cases like that in every draft, and often they don’t work out.

In general, if you can get anything out of your lower picks, regardless of why they fell, it’s a good draft.

But those are very good points, like I said. Especially regarding Lewis. He put up great numbers in a tough conference. And yes, he does play faster than his 40.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jeeez.

Looks like Palko is only on the team to throw picks in practice and build the confidence of our defense. Every other thing you read about him is he threw a pick, or he nearly threw a pick, or the defense tipped it and almost came up with it.

Does he ever throw to the offensive players just for fun?

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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 19, 2010 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Tyler Palko hit Jerheme Urban on a skinny post that somehow slipped past the defender. It would have been a 50+ yard touchdown.


…and yes i understand your context. i’m just being a smart ass.

Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?

by Leaf on Aug 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you get the text in the gray box like that?

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by FalconMF27 on Aug 19, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right above the reply box

Where you see the bold, italicize, strikeout, there is a quotations mark. Highlight your text you want in the box then click that button.

Blahblahblah

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by Jux on Aug 19, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok. thanks

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by FalconMF27 on Aug 19, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a blockquote within a blockquote

highlight the text you want and click the icon that looks like quotemarks above (between the chanlink and the strikethrough – 3rd from the right).

If you a blockquote within the other blockquote you get the box inside the box.

by Ochophosphate on Aug 19, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

If both Sheffield and Studebaker develop

this D will have a solid chance long-term. We’d be a few ILBs and an NT away from dominating. it would be huge if Belcher became one of those ILBs.

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 19, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah. What I would love to see is

Take the top corner in the 1st round and get a good NT in next years draft.

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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Aug 19, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

you think we should take a corner in the first next season?

I know the draft is a LONG time from now but I would think our corners are pretty good

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by tomahawk44 on Aug 19, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two words

Jerrell Powe.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 19, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just looked him up

The kid was on academic suspension for three years? Not that you have to be a genius to play NT, but jeez.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chris galippo 1st round

Jerrell powe 2nd round. Are we already talking 2011 draft? Don’t get me too excited.

Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs

by King of the Cassel on Aug 19, 2010 10:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Some of us have an inner GM that needs to come out at times ;)

even in the pre-season

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm looking to the future

I think Pioli has come in with a system for building a team and was only able to put the foundations in this year; last year he had to deal with Carl’s terrible scouting department. I think he can build us into a winning team in one to two more years. We are still missing pieces that we’ll need before I get too excited: a defense that can stop the run, dependable receivers, and solid OL.

I’m looking forward to watching this season, but don’t see us being championship material until will improve those weaknesses.

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 19, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Corner?

Was that a mistake? You mean linebacker?

by kcchief77 on Aug 19, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd hope we're picking after the 1st corner is already gone

If we have a solid season, we could pick in the middle of round one. The top CB would already be gone but we’d be in good position to pick up an ILB or

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 19, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed...

and, I doubt DBs will be the focus of the 2011 draft.

Probably a NT, OT, and a LB (but, don’t be shocked if they don’t draft a LB very high)

they will probably draft a developmental QB in 2011, as well (and, yes I think Cassel will have a great year)

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say definitely an OT, C/G and ILB

Probably a QB because it’s looking like we don’t have a remotely capable backup. Probably a WR because Chambers isn’t getting any younger & you never know what’s going to happen with Bowe.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Am I crazy to hope Lokey will emerge as a good one?

Maybe he’s just not big enough…no matter what kind of effort he gives.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Aug 19, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think so..

I hope he does as well but we will see..

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by tomahawk44 on Aug 19, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope Lokey does produce this year for us

if not its going to be hard to watch some of the better rushing teams against us

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by jrcnc on Aug 19, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can always hope

But the way things are, I think he can be pretty easily upgraded. He’d have to make huge strides this year to keep everyone for screaming for an NT in next year’s draft.

by Chiefs4Life on Aug 19, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

But in a way, I’m glad they’ve got another few preseason games to work out their kinks, or their “punch list” as Steve would put it.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

from the article...

“In the first team nickel defense, Mike Vrabel and Derrick Johnson were at inside linebacker while Tamba Hali and Cameron Sheffield were on the outside. Studebaker had been in Sheffield’s place previously.”

Interesting group and I like the idea of Vrabel moving inside on passing situations, but I don’t think you could call this group a nickel package… It’s still a 3-4 and there is not a 5th DB on the field which would make it a nickel, right?

by lateralus8 on Aug 19, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Well I guess it may just semantics

Hali and Sheffield are called OLBs because that’s what they play in our base D but I think one of them would play as a lineman in that situation is what I meant. I think I’m making even less sense now.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 19, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all...

that makes perfect sense. Hali can obviously play on the DL, especially in passing situations.

I just wasn’t thinking of a 2-4-5. It doesn’t matter what you call I suppose. You’re right, it’s not a big deal at all and it’s kind of like a 3-3-5 with Tamba out there anyways.

by lateralus8 on Aug 19, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was going to talk about this, too.

I liked hearing Sheffield was opposite Hali in the nickel, but when they went with 2 ILBs, I realized that they were only using a pair of down linemen. Not sure who THEY were, though. In Game 1, I thought Sheffield looked a helluva lot more like a LB than the DE ’tweener I expected. He has good quicks for a 260-pounder.

I still want to see a “regular” 3-3-5, where Hali still counts as a LB and the Chiefs stick with three bigs in the middle, and give up one of the ILBs, instead. I know DJ is a good coverage LB, but that over-the-shoulder to Charles highlights the issue you’re going to have in relying on ANY LB to run the length of the field with RBs and TEs. I’d rather have an extra defensive back and go a little bigger up front, or at least to see how it works for ’em.

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by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Joel -

Were you able to figure out what Clark Hunt was drinking last night before taking the mic? The man wasn’t sounding right at all

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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Aug 19, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Re-verb or feedback?

Some folks around me thought that the re-verb from the speakers in the end zone was messing Clark up. Mitch Holthus sounded fine but I believe he was up in the booth. Clark was down on the field on the 50-yard line.

I got Clark’s autograph after the practice and he seemed 100% fine at that point.

by Tito42 on Aug 19, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does he have a stutter?

Or some other speech issues? Cause Mitch was fine sounding.

by sayten on Aug 19, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mitch took the mic from him on the field

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by 65 Toss Power Trap83 on Aug 19, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Confused
In the first team nickel defense, Mike Vrabel and Derrick Johnson were at inside linebacker while Tamba Hali and Cameron Sheffield were on the outside. Studebaker had been in Sheffield’s place previously.

We still have all 4 linebackers in on the nickel, so we’re running a 2-4-5 as our base nickel package?

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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

"Reading all the comments before making one" FAIL

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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, I questioned that

a few minutes ago myself. I guess you really could consider this a 3-3-5 look with Hali in there as a DE.

by lateralus8 on Aug 19, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

not calling it luck, but it seems jackie battle's time is up on the roster....he stayed a lot longer than people thought he would

wouldnt shock me if its a 2-4-5, if you watch even the denver game(last game of the year) you will see a LOT of 2-4-5(that could be called a 3-3-5 depending on where hali is)

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by SDChief on Aug 19, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Is Gilberry used in this formation?

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by FalconMF27 on Aug 19, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vrabel in the middle?

Wonder if thats just on Nickel, cuz they sure could use someone else with actual speed on the outside.

by KCinIL on Aug 19, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's just Nickel

Vrabel will be on the outside when in the standard 3-4 – he moves inside for the Nickel.

In the first team nickel defense, Mike Vrabel and Derrick Johnson were at inside linebacker while Tamba Hali and Cameron Sheffield were on the outside.

We may even be looking at what looks like a 4-2-5 Nickel instead of a 3-3-5. Where Hali and Sheffield are lined up more like DEs than OLBs. Imagine two DLs, the OLBs lined up as DEs (on the line) and Vrabel and DJ in the middle as LBs. I don’t know if they’re using Sheffield in coverage or not, I am assuming Hali is rushing the passer.

Of course, I could be waaay off – I haven’t seen any footage to verify either one.

by Ochophosphate on Aug 19, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously it may be different with Crennel here

but last season in many nickel situations we still had 3 d-linemen, but either Dorsey or TJ would move to the 0 or 1 tech, and Gilberry or Magee would take that player’s place in the 4 or 5 tech

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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That 2-4-5 is a 3rd-and-long deal.

I still want to see a real 3-3-5 or 4-2-5 nickel that they can run more often, in less clear-cut situations. I want to see something stout, but that gains a speed edge with the extra DB, rather than 4 LBs and one fewer DLs.

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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"

by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya

I like the “stoutness” of a 4-2-5 vs the 2-4-5. However, if we consider the above line-up a 2-4-5 with Hali and Sheffield as OLBs that would be roughly equivalent to a 4-3 team running a 4-2-5. Hali and Sheffield could pass as DEs in a 4-3 (and DEs in a 4-2-5), so it wouldn’t be that big of a difference, just semantics between what their position says on the depth chart.

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