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Offensive Identity

What would you say if Anderson Cooper came up to you, stuck a microphone in your face and asked you, "______, the world is in desperate need of a voice here!  We're counting on you to tell us... What were the Kansas City Chiefs missing last few years?"

Well, I think I can safely say that we'd be able to come up with a rather lengthy list.  In fact, one can pretty much safely say that the Chiefs were MISSING more than they had these last few years.  I mean, we didn't have a decent running game (until JC), QB play, adequate receivers, pass rush, reliable secondary, team speed, ability to stop the run, team leaders, team discipline, and about 40 other things that it takes to have a winning team.

There were two big things we were missing overall though:  offensive and defensive identity.  Our team didn't really have one thing that we could point to and say, "this is what we do well.  This is what the other team has to prepare for when they face us, and this is what we'll build our gameplan around."

Even last year after the emergence of Jamaal Charles it was tough to say that we had an absolute identity.  Why?  Well, simply put, because he's only one guy.  And one guy can only do so much in the modern NFL, particularly if that one guy is only 200 pounds and plays a position that takes a pounding.

We all saw what happened when JC left the game.  Our offense basically dried up, and we couldn't do anything.  Bowe and Chambers are good receivers, but neither is a "primary threat" kind of guy (except maybe Bowe, but we've yet to see that).

So what is our offensive identity, and why am I wasting your time writing about it?  Well, I'd like to make an argument for MY dream of our offensive identity...

Star-divide

There's been a lot of talk about Dexter McCluster getting 5 carries in our last preseason game and being the featured back on one of our drives.  People seem to like that he did well, but there's been a lot of wariness as well.  Particularly, I've heard one argument made a few times that...

"McCluster's taking carries away from Charles and Jones when he touches the ball.  We need him more at WR."

While I'm not going to argue that We need Dex to contribute from the slot (that much is obvious), I'd like to talk about those carries he's taking away from Jones/Charles.

Last year, we averaged about 27 carries per game for our RB's.  This was while achieving 91 1st downs, a figure in the lower half of the league.  I think we all know that our team had a lot of "3 and outs" on offense.  In fact, it's been pointed out that our defense actually led the league in FORCING "3 and outs" from other teams' offenses.  

What does this tell us?  That we left a lot of potential possessions out on the field last year.

Where am I going with this?  What is the point?  Did the Resurrection really occur?  I'm going to answer 2 of those questions right now.

We can give adequate carries Charles, Jones, AND Dex... and maybe even have a few left over for some "up and comer".

The NYJ ran the ball 38 times per game last year.  They did that because they had a talented pair of RB's, and actually a trio while Leon Washington was healthy.  They also had pretty much zip going on in the passing game (sorry H2E) with bad QB play and ho-hum WR's.

But they had an offensive identity.  And I want us to commit identity theft.

I want us to carry the ball 35-40 times a game.  I want us to give Charles the ball 18-20 times a game, Jones 10-12 times, and Dex another 8-10 times.

I want us to be a team that throws the ball maybe 20 times a game.  I want us to play to what we can do well.  Let's face it, who do we have to throw it to outside of Bowe, Chambers, and maybe Dex/Moeaki (neither of whom are proven receivers at the NFL level)?  When you only have a few weapons to throw too, why do you need to throw it 35 times a game?

So there's my solution for our "problem" at RB.  Let's run that rock.  Let's use the weapons we have.  And let's make teams fear something that we do well.  We know that our line can effectively use zone blocking to block for a small, quick back.  And we know (at least, we think we know) that TJ is capable of muscling through when the yards are tough.

I want team's to look at our game film and say, "Wow, they really run the ball effectively.  We're going to have to make some adjustments based on that." 

Wouldn't that be nice?  Kansas City Chiefs; "They run the crap out of the ball".

As far as defensive identity... Well, I can't fix all our problems in one post, can I?

 

**********Quick disclaimer.  I don't think we should run the ball with the same STYLE as NY.  We don't have the hogs for that.  I think our "run the ball 40 times a game" offense should feature more outside runs, counters, and tosses than runs up the middle.**********

Poll
What do you think of the Kansas City Chiefs, a running team?
Heck yeah, let's run it 40 times a game!
55 votes
Are you crazy? You need to air it out to win in today's NFL!
10 votes
We don't have the line to run like the Jets, but it's a good thought
52 votes
I miss LJ
6 votes

123 votes | Poll has closed

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Good thoughts MN

I think we will be a running team, but not in the smash mouth sense…..The offense has a certain confidence when JC is in the backfield and I want him to get the majority of the carries also.

It seems like the opposing defense is in react mode when Charles is in the game. He is great at making people miss, so he will definitely help Cassel by forcing the opposing D to key in on the run.

Cassel isn’t an all-pro, but I think he can do the job with Charles and McCluster setting up the pass with their shifty running styles. Our offense needs to continue the quick strikes and misdirection. We need to set the opponents up, and then take a shot or two downfield off of playaction…….

by Hail2DaChiefs on Aug 18, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

well said

I like the outside running game with lots of screens, play action passes, and even some draw plays on passing downs to keep em guessing.

Gotta get some passes down the field, but most of it will be built underneath with Charles and McCluster

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 18, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Chambers is good for a couple of long shots a game, but the rest of our guys are mid-range types.

Like you both said, the outside running game is our bread and butter. Which is why I think McCluster should get a decent share of carries this year.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they can get that Cassel Horne combo going

that would be good for a 4-5 TD’s this year

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

They will definitely connect for us. Horne is a burner….

by Hail2DaChiefs on Aug 18, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm curious about Horne as well

I keep hearing that he’s getting loose deep in practice. That alone doesn’t mean much. But he did it a couple of times against ATL as well (granted, that was against scrubs).

With Haley talking him up, maybe they’ll try him out a little earlier in the game to see if he can stretch the field against more legit competition.

If he can do that, I don’t see Lawrence as making this team (which was iffy anyways).

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lawrence

he seems to be really showing up on special teams

I will go out on a limb and say they keep Lawrence and cut Copper

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, that IS out on a limb

Since Haley seemed to love Copper last year.

I suppose if Lawrence steps it up on ST, it’ll make Copper expendable.

I’d be surprised if that happened though.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Stag

Horne may be that trump card we go to downfield. I have confidence in Charles running the draws for sure…….If I remember correctly, Weis was good at cooking up underneath routes at Notre Dame. Offense = smoke + mirrors.

by Hail2DaChiefs on Aug 18, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

MN, good post and absolutely, I agree 100% that the team needs to ... ummmm ... wait, what was the question?

oh yeah, score more points than the other team … preferably in the same game

do we NEED a singular “identity” as a “running team” vs “passing team” … I’m not so sure we do, actually … in fact, it might be best, for now, not to have any one, single “identity” so that other teams can’t focus against any one aspect of offensive production (which is why Haley has said he wants to vary the offense to “attack” the weaknesses of the opposing defenses we face … although, having said that, we pigeonhole our offense by definition)

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 18, 2010 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, we can agree on one thing for sure, ups...

We’re capable of beating any team in the league when we score more points than they do.

I’m 90% sure of that.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, but when you have those 10% doubts you know there's a problem SOMEWHERE

no question we CAN score, but WILL we? no question we CAN score more than the other team, but WILL we? ahhh, the eternal philosophical questions of the fall … to run or not to run, that is the question (or at least one of the questions)

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 18, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Along with that; chicken or beef?

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Egg ... always BBQ, my friend!

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 18, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree as well, minimize the possibilty of mistakes through sack/strips and INTs by running. Now if we had a decent line that could move people, we could utilize TJ as opposed to letting him get stuffed and relying on JC for our everydown guy like last year.

by ThomasJ1776 on Aug 18, 2010 6:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I was writing a post with the exact same title...

…lol. So I kind of have to rec this one.

This, I think, is the biggest question that our team faces this year. Who are we on offense? We’ve gotta decide and form that identity.

I don’t think we have the o-line to be a real grind-em-out, run-or-die team. I also don’t think we have the experience or the pass-protection to become an air-it-out team. So what are we?

I think our offense’s identity will eventually be one that revolves around zone-blocking, a nimble offensive-line that has the ability to shift the pocket off of play-action, and a QB that has done his homework to the extent that he can take advantage of a relatively low number of passing attempts in a game.

Our defense’s identity, I think, is easier to figure-out. We want to be in our nickle package as often as possible running complicated blitzes and coverage shifts.

by hornetchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd go with that on offense

Also, the more teams have to gameplan around our running game, the easier it is to pass the ball out of the play-action.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good write-up but...

Who the fuck is Anderson Cooper?

by Reno_Chief on Aug 18, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha he's an international reporter

I was just naming a random “big shot” international guy who would never, in real life, ask a question about sports.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're kidding ...
Who the fuck is Anderson Cooper?

really? you’ve never watched CNN?

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 18, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should have used the sarcasm font.

by Reno_Chief on Aug 18, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I THOUGHT you were being sarcastic...

But I wasn’t quite sure. And now I know what purpose the sarcasm font can serve :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

MN, finally you're learning ...

and it's about time

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I need to learn to use that font

Someone want to run it by me how to do it? And I know, you’ve had to explain it a million times… But, well, life’s tough when you’re training newbies.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

you betcha ...

in this text box (it doesn’t work in the header above) just use the @ symbol on each side, no spaces at either end so that

this

becomes this ... damn newbies, gotta learn 'em everything!

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know what, ups

I'm sick and tired of how unhelpful you've been. Try helping a newbie out for a change

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

And apparently you can only make it one line?

I blame you for not telling me ups

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

yah, after that it "disappears" into obscurity ... which does make it rather amusing to ...

Ramble On

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.

by CPT.Caveman on Aug 19, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can do it this way too < code >

Without the spaces on each side of code.

Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.

by CPT.Caveman on Aug 19, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

but you need to close it for html ... and

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

great, it vansished!

< code > and < /code >

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post and rec MN

before I read all the commentary.
The Chiefs have as much ability to run the ball as the Jets, we just use different blocking schemes with different type backs. Worked very well for Denver for Years

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Denver is a classic example of what I'm talking about

And I’ll submit they never had a RB group as talented as JC, Jones, and McCluster.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 18, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did any of us expect that the Chiefs would trot McCluster out in the RB spot

for a whole series?

I would think 0% thought we would use him that way. Now we do and so does the NFL even if we never line him up at RB again. But we will and then he motions to the slot WR or the Left or Right WR or he stays put. An Awesome threat to a DC now!

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

I’m wondering if we don’t use him in a similar fashion that Ole Miss used him (although not as our primary runner, no one freak out :) ).

Anytime he’s in, the D will have to wonder where he’s going to end up on the field. Is he splitting wide? Is he coming out of the backfield for a pass? Or is he getting the ball right off the bat?

Like you said Steve, that gives a DC lots to think about. And the more a defense has to react rather than act, the better.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I understand your commentary

You want the Chiefs to use identity theft to run the football better than the Jets & Broncos .Long as the Chiefs win ; I can accept it .

by 65tosspowertrap on Aug 19, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

That pretty much sums it up

I want to make sure that we don’t underuse talented players, and our most talented position group is RB.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ehhhhhh

that Jets O-line has one guy, if i remember right, that hasn’t been in the pro-bowl. That o-line is is probably the best unit in the NFL.

by tenacious rdc on Aug 19, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

So they have more talent on the line, and we have more talent in the backfield. :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

One word: Talent.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

How you been?

Talent trumps coaching

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Been very busy Steve. Did you see my needs list for drafttek?

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like going into the season

I assume you mean to replace Bowe/Chambers with the feature WR.
NT- yeah I think we all agree
SILB – multiple okay
WILB – one yeah I see that
The needs are dwindling
The depth is increasing
IMO that as the season plays out there will be adjustments
Nice Merlinnj :)

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting that the San Diego rep wants

LT, and a RT
3-4 DE and a CB
all at a must need level
When the Chiefs have only the NT and ILB spot as a must need

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I tend to downgrade the needs a bit to reduce reaches and go more for BPA. However, this year I might have to put a huge need on NT.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Pioli I see that now

maybe the 2010 draft was a bit of an aberation in Pioli’s previous picks.
Or maybe it was Pioli picking the way Pioli will pick with all the info he truly wanted. He picked beef in 2009 and playmakers in 2010. To me that is trying to marry developement together in a set progression of the various player types. I hope we draft DB talent every year and O-line talent every year too. But you have to have players playing before you can truly build the pipieline of talent moving up.

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, with the WR’s, I figure we need to bring in at least one due to Chamber’s age. If Bowe tanks, I might go to multiples on that. We also need more O-linemen. I will keep beating that drum over and over again. I set the mutliple MLB before the split, so I will adjust that. I want Belcher to cement that job, but until/unless he does, SILB is a huge need.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only if Sheffield and Studebaker can as a hybrid replace Vrabel

I see the Bowe fails and or Chambers ages issue and I agree that grooming a WR is spot on.

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a lot of faith in Stude replacing Vrabel, so I am not too worried about OLB at this point. I hope that doesn’t change, but Stude has been looking good. What do you think our o-line needs are?

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I may

1. C (we need push here desperately)
2. RT (upgrade would be great)
3. LG (Waters is nearing retirement)

by Hail2DaChiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hail:

I am pretty much with you on that. My only thought is that if Lilja is ok, he slides to LG and Asamoah starts at RG.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I was to pick I would get the Center nailed down

If Niswanger is not the long term then a Center would be a high value pick. there are some good ones out there but to haul em in we need another 2nd round pick.
NT – ILB – Center in some order. Sort what I wanted in 2009 :(
unless Cassel sucks and then we redraw the chart completely

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have my eye on guys like Mike Pouncey and Kris O’Dowd in rounds 2-3. Now, if Cassel can’t get it done…… that changes things in a big way.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maurice Pouncey is looking like a stud in Pittsburgh

Can’t get em all can we.
The question to you? Where do you think we land in the 2011 draft? No pressure!

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had to guess/hope, I would say 10-15. What do you think?

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking in the teens too

Not playoffs and not cellar dwellers, just a few steps forward.
That would put us in the Powe sweepstakes.
Is there any solid ILB candidates out there for 2011 draft?
I agree that the Center crop might be 4 deep or so
so the ILB would be the 2nd pick or ILB then NT then Center. If you were to pick a trifecta in those spots…
Powe … ILB…Pouncey would that work or not

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Powe looks like the class of the NT’s and he is running in the low 20’s at this point. ILB’s? maybe, but that board will change a ton in the 20-40 range. If I had to guess, we are looking at LT or NT or WR in round one, with NT, ILB, C, WR in rounds 2-4. Of course, there are always value picks. I never thought we would take a nickel back in round two.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

So upgrading LT

is always a priority. I see that cause Albert is talented enough to play any line position other than Center. My main issue with the 2010 draft and maybe it will play out is that none of the prospects were going to move Albert out of the LT with the 5th pick. Berry is the cream of the 2010 daft and we got him because Pioli threw the book out the door maybe the only time he ever will :) I have not heard how Okung is doing so far? I should check. Bulaga in GB.

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Albert’s versatility does leave that door open. If we can get a tackle that can play better than him, then we should look at that. I haven’t heard how Okung is doing. Andre Smith and Jason Smith certainly are not setting the world on fire.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Merlin I am going to wander on now

I am always available though to bounce thoughts off. Thanks for the info though I hope AP appreciates what you do:) I do!

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Steve. I love getting input. I don’t work in a vacuum and the folks at AA and AP have been very helpful.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 18, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Chiefs "gave-up" a 2nd rounder to S.D.

for McNeal, and placed Alberts on the RT spot, I can call a play-off spot, this year.

by gregorychief on Aug 19, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

come on guys

There’s a thread for these mock drafts

Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010

by trentchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha, was waiting for someone to complain

it’s sooo tempting to start talking draft, though

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Draft Tek runs all year long, so I am always in draft mode. It’s just a matter of degrees.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 19, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

With where our run D is at right now, we don’t want to have to play from behind by any significant amount.

One area that I think we can make teams pay for stacking the box is with Bowe’s RAC ability. He’s not a deep ball threat, but he is a guy that’ll make the first tackler miss, and maybe the second as well. Hopefully, when teams are creeping too close to the line of scrimmage, we can make them pay by getting him the ball with only one CB to shake loose.

That could go a long way towards keeping defenses honest. And remember, like I said, Chambers IS good for a long ball or two a game to stretch the field.

Hopefully that’s enough.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dex should be a RAC machine

as well as Charles, catching passes out of the backfield

I think that’s key… as opposed to the long bomb, where you need perfect pass protection, etc…. do it the “patriot way” and get the ball into the hands of your playmakers in space, let them run.

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Especially since

Cassel has shown he can work with that.

With Bowe, Chambers (to an extent), Dex, and Charles we have 4 guys that can either make guys miss or just use their speed to get some RAC stats for us.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

Casse CAN throw a deep ball, but you dont’ want to expose him to the beating he might have to take if he drops back on every play

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

One play I'd really like to see more of

Is the “WR screen” that they kept inexplicably running to Bobby Wade last year. When they finally ran it to Chambers a few times, it started actually working.

I’d like to see that play run to Bowe. He’s virtually impossible for CB’s to bring down on their own, and I think he’d be good for at least 6-7 yards every time if it was run correctly.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Incredible response

I have to rec that. That makes more sense than anything I have read yet. Well put…we need early leads so we can take the opposition running game out of it.

If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.

-Steve Nash

by Red Shadow on Aug 19, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's upstaging me :)

I wonder why he has it in for me?

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

You got a rec also...

…I really enjoyed your take on this as well. Great sparks for conversation and thought about the team. Keep up the good work.

If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.

-Steve Nash

by Red Shadow on Aug 19, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Red

Of course I was just playing around about idaho. That was excellent insight he had.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

MN Chiefs

Merlinnj is the Chiefs rep on www.drafttek.com
excellent site for draft info and much fun for us that like to do Draft mocks.
i think he is doing some prep on your post. Good stuff :)

Ninja Ass

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2010 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, whatever he's gotta do

to make sure that he makes us Chief fans look good.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I try, MN, Pioli is hard to predict with the sheer number of needs we have had since he got here. Nice article! Sorry for bursting in with Steve on this.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Aug 19, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No problem at all, brother

I like hearing about anything and everything Chiefs, no matter where the forum.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is a start -

Be an efficient team. Remember the 86 playoff team? Solid team with no real superstars,they didn’t beat themselves and played excellent special teams. I’m not saying this team is a playoff team, no. I think sometime this season parts of the team will start to distinguish themselves but lack of talent will keep everything from falling into place. If this team wins the turnover battle and doesn’t make mistakes with penalties I think they will win more games than people think and I will believe we are really on the right track.

In 2009 we were only +1, tied for 16th in the league.
(packers run away with it +24).

The Chiefs were #8 in penalties, 84 for 667 yards in 2009. Not bad at all really.

Ne return man Arenas, solid kicking from Succup and Colquit.

It’s not the extravagant thing everybody wants to hear but it’s what a team like the Chiefs needs to do, build on a solid foundation of fundamentals and execution.

by tenacious rdc on Aug 19, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely

The addition of Arenas (who hopefully shows us Sat that last Fri was no fluke on returns) could prove huge for us.

Our ST was far and away the best part of our team last year (except when Cribbs made us looks stupid, and I blame the coaches more for kicking to him than anything else). We had solid coverage on kicks and punts, a very good P and a pretty good K.

All that was missing after Charles left ST was a returner that could get us decent field position and swing momentum. And we may have that. This could end up being the push that moves our ST to elite (which can really swing a close game).

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

execution is key

that’s what was lacking early last season.

As much as everyone wanted to say “KC just doesn’t have any talent”… I was making the point that they DID have some talent, but just weren’t executing.

This year, they at least seem to know what they are supposed to do, and seem to be close to being a team that can execute and not make huge mistakes.

Execute on offense and defense, have potentially dominant ST, good running game, win the turnover battle…. that’s a good formula

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

AND

the team has a LOT more talent, especially in the “playmaking” department now

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's become more and more clear

as training camp progressed. We’ve seen all of our rookies perform at a pretty high level.

Whether that is because they’re all so talented or we were merely lacking talent is irrelevant to me. Either way,we’re more talented than we were.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I always thought leading the league in 3 and outs was weird

For THAT defense? Are you kidding me? How did that happen? I think maybe it was because teams had a lead… were running the ball. That stat gives me great hope that the D will improve overall this year. Maybe they aren’t as far away as we think? (ATL preseason game notwithstanding).

Nice post. Nice comments. Nice thread.

by Ozarks on Aug 19, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

well, I think they were actually 8th or something in 3 and outs

but, it was certainly a positive stat

I believe it’s an indication that this defense is on the verge of being pretty good.

The problem last year was giving up far too many huge, backbreaking plays… hopefully Berry and others will shut those down, and the overall defense will be better

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 19, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Huh. Knowledge fail on my part. I’d read that in several places but didn’t follow up properly…

I am ashamed

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.

by MNchiefsfan on Aug 19, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha, no reason to be ashamed, I don't have the actual stat in front of me either

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Aug 20, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

break but don't bend philosophy

"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Come back, Jason!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Aug 19, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the bring it or break philosophy

Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.

by CPT.Caveman on Aug 19, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see a mix, (with surprise plays) of roughly 60-40 favoring the run, but throw in McCluster..

and Arenas return ability, I can see Succop being the beneficiary, (on almost all of my fantasy teams). The KEY is to start-quick, always try for the mismatches, and pressure the other teams, out of their norm. Throw in Moeaki, and it’s a nice balance. Defense HAS to step-it up.

by gregorychief on Aug 19, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Running the ball to set up the pass

I agree that we should be a run first team and focus on our strengths…with Cassel using play action and shotgun when passing…I cringe when he is in the pocket…Obviously he will get his stats padded by throwing to Charles and McCluster out of the back field. The good news is if we get the ball first and control the tempo we should be hard to keep up with…however if we fall behind early we will have to rely on Arenas and Charles to put up quick points. I hope that this tight end pans out as well because he could end up being a huge help to Cassel when he can’t find recievers. Haley seems like he is good at game planning and likes to change things up based on opponents so don’t get used to one look.

by KEANEKONG on Aug 19, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Our offensive line is better for run blocking, than passing, so i agree with this post.

by Regime on Aug 19, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

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