Chiefs DE Glenn Dorsey Says Patience Is The Key In 3-4 Defense

by Joel Thorman on Aug 17, 2010 10:00 AM CDT in 2010 Kansas City Chiefs Preseason

Kansas City Chiefs DE Glenn Dorsey has been an intriguing character since he arrived as the fifth overall pick in the 2008 NFL draft.

From a national level, people say he's struggling and is best fit in a 4-3. That may be partly true but from a local level people recognize the strides he made in 2009 becoming a 3-4 defensive end.

"I actually like [the 3-4]," Dorsey told Vic Carucci of NFL.com this week. "Coach Romeo brings a lot of fun to it, and I really understand what he's trying to get me to do."

The game I like to point to when talking about Dorsey is the Cleveland Browns game last year. Unknown RB Jerome Harrison racked up 286 yards rushing in that game. It certainly wasn't a good day for the Chiefs defense.

It's also a game in which Dorsey didn't play. After the game, Todd Haley acknowledged that the Chiefs probably missed Dorsey's presence in the game.

As he continues to improve, Dorsey says patience is the key to succeeding in the 3-4.

"For me, (the biggest difference) is more patience," he said. "In a 4-3, you're attacking it; you've got one gap, hitting a man and getting off. But in a 3-4, you have to be patient and wait and wait and wait, because the running back is going to cut off of you. You pick a side, and the running back's going to run to the side you left open."

The national folks may still point to Dorsey and see a bad fit. But, I think around Kansas City, we're still (somewhat) patient as Dorsey heads into his third year.

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2009

Was probably the first time in his life that Dorsey was asked to play two gaps…it was also the first time he had ever played a five-technique. Let’s give the guy at least two seasons to adjust to such drastic changes…if he’s still not cutting it at the end of 2010, we can entertain the possibility of moving on.

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by PVChiefsfan on Aug 17, 2010 10:05 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs

I think that Dorsey started to show promise last year

He is getting better, but I don’t think he is ever going to be a all star. But good.

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by fleetmarine on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions

We are, admittedly,

getting farther and farther from the monster he appeared to be coming out of the SEC.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions

I do dislike the narrative

that the Browns game and its results are largely a factor of missing Dorsey, so thus he must be either good or improving. There’s no question he was missed, but our run defense the ENTIRE REST OF THE SEASON begs to differ with that thought process.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions

Really?

144 yards were allowed against Cincy and 68 yards were allowed against Denver…144+68 = 212 yards… 279 – 212 = 67 yards…with Dorsey in (and probably still banged up some for the Cincy game) we allowed 67 yards less rushing in 2 games compared to 1 against Cleveland

by groundedchevy on Aug 17, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions

chevy, Cincy is a pass-happy team ... for them to gain almost 150 yds is not a good thing

… and the Denver game was a total aberration of the rest of the season … face it, our Front 7 was pretty atrocious all year long last year … to argue otherwise ignores the facts

oh, sorry … I guess facts are out of fashion these days

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by upamtn on Aug 17, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Are stats not facts?

I never argued that our Front 7 wasn’t atrocious last year. I was just arguing we were significantly worse without Dorsey. Cincy was ranked 9th in rushing and 26th in passing. Traditionally Cincy is a passing team but last year they pounded the ball with Cedric Benson a lot. They only had 800 more yards passing than they did rushing. I don’t understand how our run defense the ENTIRE REST OF THE SEASON discredits the statement that 279 yards allowed was a result of Dorsey missing. Yes we were horrible but we never allowed any where close to 279 yards (I don’t think atleast). I was at the Cleveland game and I just remember the rushing to Dorsey’s side time after time (granted I had a couple beverages) but I would guarantee we would not have allowed 279 yards from Cleveland if Dorsey has been in the game.

Oh, sorry…I guess those facts don’t count

by groundedchevy on Aug 17, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

curse you

and your facts for clubbing a poorly developed opinion / thinly veiled personal attack like a baby harp seal.

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by Druful on Aug 17, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Take it easy on ups, guys

I’ve literally never seen him get a fact that wrong. I think he can be given a break this one time, right? :)

Kudos on the stats and facts though. Good stuff, and exactly what I was going to post until I saw that you took care of it.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 17, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions

chevy ...

… few shining examples from last year include the following:

Sept 13 – Balt – 193
Oct 4 – NYG – 156
Oct 11 – Dal – 150
Nov 8 – Jax – 173
Nov 15 – Oak – 182
Dec 6 – Den – 245
Dec 13 – Buf – 200
and then Dec 20, Cle – 351

so yes, we obviously improved from Oct to Nov and Dec … worse w/o Dorsey, almost w/o question, but the fact is we were not at all good WITH Dorsey … that was my point, kind Sir

by upamtn on Aug 17, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Agree hundred percent with that post

I really believe we both are arguing two different points. It just seemed like you were slightly attacking me in your previous post.

oh, sorry … I guess facts are out of fashion these days

I was confused on why. No worries tho I enjoy your posts on AP quite a bit. Last year I worried a lot more about Cincy’s running attack against us than I did Cleveland I was actually happy we only allowed 144 to Cincy.

by groundedchevy on Aug 17, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah, see, I thought you were originally ... ahhhhhhhhhhh never mind

by upamtn on Aug 17, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

so much for Cincy being a "pass-happy" team.

I guess facts are In Fashion. Good job sir.

by dablueguy on Aug 17, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions

Cincy's attack

I’m pretty sure the Bengals were one of the top rushing teams in the league last year. They were 4th in rushing attempts and 9th in total yards. I would call that a run-first team, however things are shaping up differently this year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingAttempts

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by chiefn25 on Aug 17, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

I think it was Porkchop

That wrote a post on Dorsey a while back.

He threw out the games where Dorsey was out or played hurt (he was out for most of BUF and for CLE, and he played hurt against DEN 1st game and I think one other).

throw those games out and we gave up around 130 a game. Still bad, sure, but without him or when he was hobbled it got WAY worse.

Check out that post, it should be in the archives…

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 17, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions

I think Dorsey is ready to the pimp of the nation.

Closest thing on this squad to being a legit, long term star

by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions

Agreed

I don’t know why there is still all this Dorsey hate. He improved more than most of the other players on our team last year, and I think we can expect him to improve again this year.

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by Ben Martin on Aug 17, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions

Totally agree, and he was MUCH better as a 3-4 DE than his supposed natural 4-3 DT, where he was dominated and manhandled in his rookie season, usually by one guy. He looks waaaay better on the outside, in some space.
People look at Dorsey’s lack of sacks(and T-Jax) and think they’re failing, but as Dorsey said, a 3-4 DE is not an attacker, it’s an absorber and a reader. Dorsey was very good last year, and should continue to evolve into a top 3-4 DE.

by dablueguy on Aug 17, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree HIV

he can really bust out this season if he keeps listening to Crennel

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by jrcnc on Aug 17, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions

I don't know if Dorsey will

“bust out” in the traditional sense. His position just doesn’t lend itself to that. I don’t think we will see a big improvement from him this year however.

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by Scaryclouds on Aug 17, 2010 10:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions

Dorsey is key to this defenses success

by “bust out”, if he can just clog the lane and shut down the run helping our linebackers get to the QB it will be a huge season for him. If he can flush the QB from the pocket more than once a game and allow our Secondary to get into position for picks it will be huge for our team.

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by jrcnc on Aug 17, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions

I meant to say

I do think we will see an improvement

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by Scaryclouds on Aug 17, 2010 12:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

H2E, I am totally speechless

I UTTERLY agree with you.

Maybe not on our team’s star potential (I think Charles and Flowers and maybe Berry as well), but that Dorsey is a guy that has continued to get better and better consistently, and has star potential.

People keep forgetting about the learning curb for a DL, especially one that switched systems and has a lousy DC his first year in the 3-4.

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by MNchiefsfan on Aug 17, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I thought Dorsey played pretty well last year

Obviously he wasn’t Pro Bowl material but he played with a mean streak. My expectations are much higher this season.

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by mistamic on Aug 17, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Patience is the key....

to pretty much everything Chiefs related, I thought.

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by Scott B. on Aug 17, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions

by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions

Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're f*cked up. Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all tarded.

by chiefn25 on Aug 17, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions