Chiefs Preseason: Breaking Down The O-Line Tape - Primer
Each week we all get caught up in the excitement of the Kansas City Chiefs game and often miss what is going on at the line of scrimmage. A saying that will always ring true in football is that "the film never lies."
During the season I will review every game tape in an attempt to bring you the execution of each offensive lineman on every offensive play. Each lineman will be graded on whether or not he got the job done. Did he get the guy blocked or not?
Each offensive lineman will be given a "+" for doing their job or a "-" for failing to do their job on each play. Those pluses and minuses will be grouped, calculated, and represented by a percentage bar next to each lineman.
Regular Season Posting Schedule
Every Monday: Sundays Scouting Recap & Notes Post
Every Tuesday: Breaking Down the Tape - O-Line Post
Here is how it works...
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- Each offensive lineman was given a "+" for doing their job or a "-" for failing to do their job on each play.
- These pluses and minuses were grouped into the type of block they were asked to do, e.g., a run block (RB) or a pass block (PB), etc.
- A "D", for "driven", was assigned every time a player was manhandled during a pass or run play.
- The quality of the lineman's play is represented as a percentage bar above. The higher the percentage bar the better the lineman did.
- 90% or higher is considered having a good game.
- 80% is considered needing improvement.
- Below 80% is a sub-par game...so a player wants to be in the red.
- I tried to be very strict...I think Haley would want it that way.
- One important note, some plays may be unclear as to who exactly did not do their job, e.g., a defensive tackle going unblocked at the line of scrimmage. Was it the centers fault? The guards fault? In these cases it was clear that a mistake was made and the player that looked to be most at fault was assigned the blame.
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1st 4 series only
Offensive Game Notes:
- The Chiefs run more of a 'base' blocking scheme the first two series. Maybe to isolate their own players and see how they would do. The offensive tackles are left on an island more and O'Callaghan struggles in the first two series.
- The line play becomes more misdirectional starting the 3rd series. Chiefs start to look better.
- Albert does a good job on a draw by pushing his man past the play and then blocking a linebacker on the second level. Jamaal breaks for a big gain.
- Albert makes a good cut block on a quick pass play. The o-line did not cut block very well as a whole last year.
- The Falcons 'twist' their d-lineman for the first time in the 3rd series. The offensive lineman pick them up and pass them off well. Communication seems to be ahead of last year.
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PASS BLOCKING |
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| Albert | Albert | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Waters | Waters | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Niswanger | Niswanger | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Lilja | Lilja | |||||||||||||||||||||
| O'Callaghan | O'Callaghan | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Wiegmann | Wiegmann | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Pope | Asamoah | |||||||||||||||||||||
Run & Pass Blocking Notes:
- Remember players want to be in the red. If not, then they need to improve the next game.
- Waters and Lilja had a slow start with run blocking.
- Asamoah was driven twice.
- O'Callaghan had a bad day pass blocking.
| SECOND LEVEL BLOCKING |
SUCCESSFUL REACH BLOCK |
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Percent Scale | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Albert | Albert | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Waters | Waters | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Niswanger | Niswanger | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Lilja | Lilja | |||||||||||||||||||||
| O'Callaghan | O'Callaghan | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Wiegmann | Wiegmann | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Pope | Pope | |||||||||||||||||||||
Graphic bars from draftboardinsiders.com
Second Level Blocking Notes:
- Blocking players on the second level, e.g. linebackers, is a hard block. So below 70% on second level blocks would indicate that the player needs improvement.
- It appeared that the more athletic lineman were called on to make more second level blocks.
- Lilja pulled a number of times. Waters pulled once.
Let me know what you think of the graphic bars. Are they readable?
Click On "Bewsaf Past Posts" for more past articles
| *What You Look For in an NFL Offensive Lineman - The Basics | *If You Can't Beat Them...Zone Them | *Breaking Down the O-Line - 2009 Review |
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What a great addition. Recd.
I love this stuff! The graphs are fantastic and easily interpreted at a glance. Your stuff is the bomb diggity.
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by skunk420 on Aug 14, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely fabulous!
The graphs are great Bews. Rec for sure.
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In addition the explaination was self explanatory ( In layman’s terms ).
by 65tosspowertrap on Aug 14, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
nice work man
and thanks for your time
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by Chris Sembower on Aug 14, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions
Rec'd as always
thanks Bewsaf for doing this I love these breakdowns.
The picture is a Chiefs pumpkin, yeah that is right a Chiefs pumpkin.
Bars are superb
Your “notes” are a great complement to the bars. Good idea to separate pass and run blocking. Excellent system. Thanks for taking the time.
In watching the tape, do you think that Niswanger actually is playing quite a bit better than Wiegmann, as indicated by the bars?
I think Niswanger and Wiegmann
looked about the same. Both played against the 4-3 which means there is no nose over the center. The proof will be when they play that 3-4 team with the big dude over them every play.
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Ty, ty, ty.
I really appreciate all the time and expertise put into all your posts. While I’m at it I want to thank Kalo for his input on the defensive side. I can’t get enough of this stuff.
When we’re playing a 3-4 D won’t we most likely be doubling up the Nose unless it’s a blitz up the inside?
It will be interesting how our OL handles a good 3-4.
Thanks again and rec’d.
When we play against a 4-3
we usually see the guards grade out a little lower. In the 3-4, it is the center. The thing to watch for however is how much the grade drops.
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The bars: Like tank ratings on Military Channel.
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by hmills110 on Aug 14, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like Charles...
You seem to already be in mid-season form. Rec’d.
Few things…
-Looks like Lilja needs to block the man in front of him as well as he pulls on a LB. Is he getting manhandled or what?
-If I read your scales correctly, Niswanger seemed to perform the best up front. Hope he keeps that up. Don’t really care who wins the starting job, there.
-Pope is doing a solid job on the edge. He’s also showing he can be a threat in the passing game as well. I don’t think we’ve quite seen what all he’s capable of.
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by ArrowSpread on Aug 14, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Niswanger did’nt have a 330 lb. nosetackle in front of him the whole game. It seems like those were the games he struggled the most last year as he is a bit undersized.
Great job on the graphs by the way. Love it!
Last year against Pittsburgh and Casey Hampton was ugly for Niswanger.
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by nateforchiefs on Aug 14, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
this actually makes me feel
a lot better about our offense. we started to pick things up right when we werent isolating our o-lineman and started to use misdirectional blocking. if we really are years ahead from where we were last year then I think we can reasonably expect more and more improvement as the season goes on.
by Walshdollar on Aug 14, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It concerns me
that O’Callaghan had problems with his pass blocking when isolated. But, like you said, it is nice to know that doing a little scheming can help that situation.
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Nevertheless, winning 1-on-1 at those OT spots is pretty crucial.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
I liked that our perimetier run blcokng was high.
With Charles and Dexter doing outside runs we need quality play there.
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by nateforchiefs on Aug 14, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
rec Bewsaf
nice work and so quick too.
I needed the pick me up after this game
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by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 14, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
At first blush
I am sure many of us were a little low.
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by Bewsaf on Aug 14, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Steve,
How about a Godfather? That will pick you right up!!
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I always
enjoy your breakdown of the O-line. Once again, thanks for doing this.
Now I’m hoping Kalo has one for the D-line soon using the system he was developing.
This space for rent.
Rec'd
Great, great stuff. The graphs work well, and the information provided makes it clear why the players are where they are on the graph.
Albert looked very good from what i saw. Clearly the tape backs that up. That’s GREAT to see, especially since he was up against Abraham, a very good player.
O’Cal looked bad and measures out worse, clearly. He’d better watch his back, because Brown looked decent…
Bewsaf, it’s awesome to see these, and like I said, they’re what originally hooked me to AP. Thanks a TON!!!
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thanks MN
Albert is getting better. He looks good when in space as well. That’s good for a tackle.
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Great point
His run blocking is a great asset. He’s very good when he gets to the 2nd level.
I think we’ve all kind of forgotten about him. I hope last night was a portent of things to come for him.
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REC'd
Awesome post, I’ll look forward to seeing this all season. The niswanger data is interesting, I didn’t feel like he did that great myself, (might had a 12 pack by kick off though ). Guess I better watch the game tape.
Niswanger will get the real test
when he plays a 3-4. Then we will really see how much he has improved.
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Rec'd for sure
Thank you for doing this!
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by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Aug 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions
Great to have these back Bewsaf
I always look forward to these post every week. If I could offer one improvement, perhaps something indicating number of attempts. For example our offensive line looks terrible at reach blocking, some perspective on how many times a player attempted a block (or snaps played while under a blocking scheme [run/pass]) will provide more insight into their success rate.
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The Chiefs really
did not attempt many reached blocks. So, that is why there are not any bars. I maybe should have put that in my notes.
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Yup that makes since
And why a number of attempts would help put those bars into perspective.
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Last nights game
I was at the game last night. Near the end of the game Haley was arguing with the line judge about something to do with the chain gain for about 2 or 3 minutes. Does anyone know what that was all about? I was on rwo 9 and it happened right in front of me and I am clueless.
by Chiefs Fan in SC on Aug 14, 2010 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
By Chiefs Fan in SC
The chain gang by Len Dawson ’s count give the Falcons 8 downs withot getting a 1st down .
by 65tosspowertrap on Aug 14, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Chiefs fan in SC
The it was before the half ; the Falcons kicked a field goal .
by 65tosspowertrap on Aug 14, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It was 3rd and goal
and we stopped them then after the play was over there was a personal foul called on the Falcons which means they should have moved the ball back 15 yards and it should have been 4th down. But for some reason they moved the ball back 15 yards and gave them a 1st down
by badassz1987 on Aug 14, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, now the infamous "8th down play"
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Aug 14, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What was the deal with that?
Did anyone ever hear the explanation?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 14, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard somewhere
that the refs knew the effed up and said “sorry dude”. Gee. Thanks.
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by kabrink on Aug 14, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
" the film don't lie "
Now it is clear to me : Why Jarrad Page is not in camp ! 1) His calf muscle locked up ! 2) Coach Haley ( questioned his heart ) { Before his calf injury ; during camp last year } 3) The film don’t lie . Geaux Chiefs ! Stay Red & Gold .One week to improve on film .
by 65tosspowertrap on Aug 14, 2010 2:33 PM CDT reply actions
This is nice!!
I like this … from what i seen last nite we have alot of work in front of us but remember it is the first game of the season and alot of rust … all i have to really say is Ryan O’Cal need to focus more because he was gettin abused a few times but all in all we did go … oh yea we need to hang on to the ball … PERIOD!!
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by Chiefs619 on Aug 14, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good breakdown
I liked the charts
I have a question – how did you grade the play where Bierman stripped Cassell and Abraham recovered? I didn’t notice who was blocking on that play
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
O'Callaghan
tried to ride the defender past the QB but let the defender turn the corner by getting under his pads to much and got to close to the QB. O’Callaghan gets a minus.
As opposed to Albert who had a similar thing happen to him on the same play but kept the defender from turning the corner. Albert gets a plus.
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by Bewsaf on Aug 14, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last night (late and intoxicated, mind), I put some of that strip on Cassel.
And the vertical collapse of the pocket.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Cassel could have helped
by stepping up sooner. But O’Callaghan was playing catch up the entire play.
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True, but Cassel would've been clear of the 4-man pass rush by taking 3 steps forward and to his right.
Open field at that point, with 2 or 3 seconds to make a decision, instead of forcing the pass without sensing the back-side pressure.
I saw this same issue with Croyle, when, after successfully ducking the pass rusher, he had some time and space to play with, but forced the pass, instead of using that time to survey the field and look for a matchup that was resolving itself in KC’s favor.
In both of those situations, it appeared that our QBs were running it by the numbers, rather than from an understanding of what’s going on around them. Kind of disappointing.
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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
by hmills110 on Aug 14, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, you guys are tough!
Cassel never had a chance IMO. Shotgun, takes two steps back sees O’Callaghan whiff, takes two steps forward as JC cuts to the right flat he tries to quick arm it to him but the guy caught his wrist.
At no time did he take a set. O’Callaghan didn’t even slow the guy down. No QB is going to get it done like that. One more step forward and Cassel is in Rudy’s backside.
I think O’Callaghan has to own that one.
by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Aug 16, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh. Call it like I see it.
While I’m critical, these are the kinds of things I notice in ’most any QB who gets inconsistent protection.
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Bewsaf - Great stuff as always - rec'd (again)
I wasn’t sure you would do this for the preseason. It’s very nice to see, especially with the way last night’s game went.
One question. You say Asamoah got driven twice, but I don’t see where he got dinged on the charts. Can you explain that?
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Sometimes
the lineman can do his job, which is not letting his defender get the tackle or mess up the play, and still get driven.
One of his first plays in the game the ball was run to the other side and he scooped his man and then got flat backed (he was to high). But he did his job (ultimately) and prevented his guy from scraping down the LOS. Asamoah gets a plus and a driven.
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by Bewsaf on Aug 14, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks for the clarification
I thought that might be the case, but I remember last year that when a guy was driven it always seemed to effect their score, so I wanted to check. Great posts and always appreciated.
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Last year
a lot of the drivens would create a bubble in the backfield and mess up the play (change its direction). Even though he defender might not make the tackle he (defender) did create a situation that changed what the offense wanted to do and could have allowed other defenders to make a tackle.
In those cases the o-lineman would have gotten a minus and a driven. Goff and Niswanger had a lot of those last year.
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green this
I wondered as well thanks for the clarification.
Great stuff sir
A bit disappointed you didn’t chart Colin Brown. From the “eye test”, I thought he played very well at RT, and I’d like to see if that translated. I’d like to see him get some time with the 1’s to see how he’ll do.
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Nice post; very good use of the graphics!
I have been browsing your site for a week or so. Preseason games seem designed to make the fans panic. I expect we at MHR will have a ot of the same concerns as you at AP after our game Sunday, especially with 2 rookies apparently winning the starting center and guard positions. I hope somebody will do the work to assess our line as well as this was done.
Your coach and ours both use the PS “games” to evaluate the progress of new talent and the timing and execution of the schemes, rather than to accumulate wins and placate the fans. The latter pattern was more a trait of Shanahan. Week 1 and 2 will give both of our groups a better idea of what is really going on for 2010. Until then, keep the faith, and avoid the injuries! Good luck this season (excpet against us, of course).
Good stuff as usual Bewsaf.
This really helps the members better understand what is going on with the line and how they are actually performing.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
Game started trying to go up the gut.
It seemed pretty clear that the way to open up the middle was with those sweeps/stretches to the edge with the quicker backs, like McCluster, Charles and Moore. I don’t think this KC O-Line, as currently constituted, is going to do much for themselves up the middle on the first few plays. I can see wanting to make defenses honor that, but I think those stretch plays early do more to tell the coaches where/whom to attack, and are more likely to actually produce something positive.
That being said, Thomas Jones DID get positive yardage on his first two carries. Not much, but if you can knock on that door all day long without ever losing yards, you have a formula for breaking down a D over 4 quarters. But the real key is notching those early first downs, which KC didn’t.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
I remember you saying...
…something along the lines of us potentially benefiting more to stretch those big bodies up front from sideline to sideline to break them down a little bit. Those short yardage are more about sheer will than anything else. If those guys up front are chasing Dex and Charles all over the place, there won’t be much left to keep TJ from getting those tough yards later in games, even if it doesn’t work early.
We didn’t make the switch to a lighter OLine just to run up the gut, anyway. Those guys are lighter and more athletic because stretches, sweeps, and tosses will be a big part of the game plan, and will certainly work to the effect described above.
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by ArrowSpread on Aug 14, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I said the same thing a couple days ago.
We need to attack the edges early and often the way this team is built. I don’t think the power run game will work for us until we wear those defenses down a little. With JC and Run DMC, we can get a defense back on their heels pretty quickly then, attack the middle with Jones later on in the game.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 14, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the more convincingly Jones can run to the edge, the earlier he ought to come in.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Agree, Arrowspread. And Charles and McCluster sure get outside and up the field QUICK.
And later on, with the D-Line flagging a bit, you start beating up the opposing secondary with the bigger back, and the cutback lanes are opening-up between the guys racing to the sideline and the widebodies in pursuit. But more to the point, you condition the widebodies to pursue laterally, so they’re wrong-footed and slow to recover when you go against the grain a time or two. Of course, Charles tries to do this when the other guys are still fresh, and he’s a threat to break it, too. That’s why I like him on the field to start. More threats, right away.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
RE: Charles...
He almost did that last night. He jumped over a D-lineman that was on the ground and gained about 7 yards. One missed tackle and he would have been gone.
Damn! Jamaal Charles is a bad ass.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 14, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t think this KC O-Line, as currently constituted, is going to do much for themselves up the middle on the first few plays.
I think you are right. Although the first couple of plays had Lilja pulling so they had a little wrinkle to their ‘smash mouth’ opening.
…but I think those stretch plays early do more to tell the coaches where/whom to attack,
I think they might be doing more evaluating at this point than game planning. That’s what I think anyway.
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by Bewsaf on Aug 14, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree on the 2nd. Have to re-look to see Lilja pull.
I’m REALLY hoping a new name wins one or two of those O-Line spots, continuity be damned. Bringing back the same guys doesn’t appear to have paid (m)any dividends in line calls and communication. You can still just show 6, send 6, and destroy the Chiefs offense.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Rec'd as usual
Great stuff. Can’t wait for these all season.
Pleasantly surprised with Niswanger’s high grade. I was initially upset to see that he had beat out Wiegmann as the starting center on the initial depth chart (or was handed the job), but if he is outplaying him, I am cool with that.
I’m also stoked about the progress of Branden Albert. I have always been a strong proponent of him at LT and I think this is the year he turns the corner. I know this was a small sample size, but I am not overly disappointed with how the O-Line performed against a playoff-caliber defense in Atlanta.
agreed pleasantly surprised by Niswanger...
According to these graphs anyways, I don’t have the skilled eye to know how well he did from watching the game live.
They need to be smarter with their line calls and execution. Disappointed in the vets for this.
Also disappointed in the QB for this. But it might’ve been scripted for evals, and the audible by Cassel might not have been part of it.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Awesome post and awesome system
Easy to read and great breakdown system. The Chiefs staff don’t even need to break down their tape they can just come look at your posts every week lol. :D
rec’d of course
Yea
mine is just as good as theirs.
They put in a lot of time. And they also have to grade it for technique…so they can correct the players bad habits. Kudos to the coaches for all the time they put in the film room. Because it is a lot.
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Thank you!
Looks like Niswanger played pretty well. I definitely feel more informed. Looking forward to next week’s analysis!
excellent post Bewsaf
glad to see this series return in the pre-season. Thanks for all the hard work.
your best work yet
The only problem with putting out content that is this good… we just want more!
Would love to see grades on BRich, Ndukwe and Brown, et al…. depth on the OL is critical.
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
by stagdsp on Aug 14, 2010 8:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks stag
I not sure about the entire game yet. I am like the starters. I need my preseason warm up to get the blood going.
Start out full steam to early and I might end up on injured reserve before the end of the season.
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Soooo ummmm...
how in God’s name do you find the time? Nice work. Do this on a weekly basis and Chris and Joel may need to consider upping the ante on the beergloves.
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so Niswanger was 100% overall?
don’t believe it
Asamoah
How promising did he look and how much time did he get?
by Christopher Gossage on Aug 14, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions
I saw him mainly in the 4th quarter and kept pointing out to my friend how he was just simply manhandling the Falcon’s defensive linemen. I realize that in the 4th quarter of a preseason game he wasn’t exactly blocking the best that the Falcons have to offer but still, the pocket seemed to be collapsing around the Chiefs QB with the exception of the guy that Asamoah was blocking…that dude didn’t gain an inch.
by Streetcleaner on Aug 14, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I only graded the first four series
and he looked like a rookie with some promise. He looked good in the second half.
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Much props Bewsaf ...
This was a great idea.
To answer C. Gossage … J. Asamoah didn’t look too bad at all considering he was working with the 2s and that hes a rookie, learning all he can when he can. I think in the long run he will be considered a good pick ( knock on wood. )
Don't run pussy, you'll just die tired !!
by Bloody Palms on Aug 15, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention ....
He has 2 pro bowl guards teaching him the tricks of the trade.
Don't run pussy, you'll just die tired !!
by Bloody Palms on Aug 15, 2010 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Tight
Don’t run pussy, you’ll just die tired !
Im stealing it lol
by Christopher Gossage on Aug 15, 2010 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions
lol, you wouldn't be the first !!
It’s so true though.
Don't run pussy, you'll just die tired !!
by Bloody Palms on Aug 15, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep it up Bewsaf
and you'll make a name for yourself.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Aug 15, 2010 3:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Typical Bewsaf: awesome coverage!
Rec’d!
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
there you are, Kalo ... get busy ... you have a Defensive Analysis to do *grin*
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Sadly, my DVR decided it was going to quit.
Unless kcchiefsgames.com gets something up, I have very limited information to deal with. Unless anyone else knows of a place I can catch it?
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Aug 15, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
If you're willing to part with about 30 bucks...
You can get preseason access at NFL.com
Another 30 will get you rewind for the season.
Both allow you to watch as many times as you want. It’s how I pull off my “I watched the tape” remarks…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
rec'd as always, great stuff, bars are easy to see and read ... and THANK YOU
now I can’t wait to see what Kalo does with his Defensive Analysis
also wonder how many people will lay off Niswanger for a week …
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
My guess is people will write it off
It’s tough to forget two years of bad play…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 15, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You addressed it...
…but my biggest concern would be your understanding of the blocking scheme. As long as you’re confident that you know which player should be be blocking which guy, the data will be solid. Did you take into account schemes? It seems to me that there are times when the blocking scheme itself is at fault (i.e. calling the wrong play at the wrong time). An example of this would be a play with five blockers and six rushers.
Assuming your data are correct, I’m struck by Lilja’s numbers; specifically, the difference between his standard blocking scores—which were pedestrian—and his scores in space. That he pulled “a number of times” and still managed to score perfectly says much about his skill set. If I had to put money on it, I’d say the first two series will be the exception rather than the rule.
by Chief Running Bare on Aug 15, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
Did you take into account schemes?
For the most part I take into account who they try and block. Being a person who coached high school football for many years it is not to hard (just time consuming). Most of the time it is obvious when a defender goes free whose job it was to pick him up. You can tell by what all the other lineman and backs are doing.
It seems to me that there are times when the blocking scheme itself is at fault (i.e. calling the wrong play at the wrong time)
It might be the old coach in me…but when the coach calls a play then the player is expected to execute, no excuses. Now, if the defense sends more defenders then the o-lineman can handle they still have a progression on who they should block. That is why a team has hot routes…to account for the overloads. They might not get them all…but their job is to get someone in particular. And if they get beat by that someone, then they get a minus.
If I had to put money on it, I’d say the first two series will be the exception rather than the rule.
I agree.
Bewsaf@comcast.net
They had the same issue when the Ravens sent 6 against 5 early last year.
I think the Chiefs need to come up with an answer to this overload, and I don’t think they want their HBs to be expected to handle the 80-100-pound mismatch head-on. A quick screen to Jones, or pulling the TE in to side the RT… SOMEthing. But that was poorly handled.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
well...
…if you’re going to do more of this, please do. Blocking for a back in the NFL is every bit as important as running.
BTW, nicely done. Like you, I actually enjoy watching film and, when I had a DVR, I used to play snaps over and over again to get a feel for how each individual lineman was doing. My DVR is gone now though and I can no longer fulfill my nerdy football yearnings. You’ll have to do it for me! Yay!
CRB
by Chief Running Bare on Aug 20, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally kick ass Bewsaf...
Thanks for breaking this down. I look forward to you getting back into regular contributions… Hopefully I’ll catch them before the get knocked into archives by the 1-2 paragraph “OH MY GAWDZ!!!! WE SUKS AGAIN!!!” Posts. Then again those could very easily turn into “YEAH! WE TOTALLY PWND THEM” posts.
Gotta get in the habit of remembering to rec you now so more preoccupied people get the chance to read this stuff.
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 16, 2010 1:05 AM CDT reply actions
Bewsaf, do you DVR the games and watch the game that way or do you download the game?
Oh, and awesome job. Rec’d.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
thx
I DVR it. It is not the zoomed in film I am used to evaluating lineman with…but then again I don’t have to grade technique. For just grading the final product (did he get beat or not)…it is good enough.
Bewsaf@comcast.net
If you want to download them let me know you’re email and I can point you in the right direction. It’s just the broadcast, but could be easier to control on a computer.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I wouldn't mind that as well, JComp.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Easy now! Sent it to you both.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I can download that on my
download that on my Commodore 64 right?
(if your not old enough you might not remember the Commodore computer)
Bewsaf@comcast.net
Haha, I only know what it is because my dad kept his in my closet until my mom decided a computer from the 30’s didn’t do anyone any good.
I learned how to type on an Apple IIe, though. Those things were ancient when I was growing up.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Heh.
I’m just looking for some help on my (hopefully soon-to-be) analysis myself. =)
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Yeah what are you doing posting comments when you’ve got some film to watch?
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Hah!
Lemme tell you, it’s not easy work during a busy week. Might be Wednesday or Thursday before it’s up.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Defensive Line breakdown?
Your O Line breakdown was awsome. How bout a D line one?
My sex addiction therapy was going well...till my therapist shows up with a gallon of canola oil and a monkey trained to work a video camera...
by WorldChampSpurs on Aug 16, 2010 9:02 PM CDT reply actions
Watch for a KaloPheonix post
KP is the Defense guy and whenever you see a TexasChief comment.
Nirvana to Chiefs fans :)
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 16, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Just finished the tabulation.
Now to put it into a coherent post over the next day or two.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Whats the most recced post ever?
I think this is the most recced I’ve seen in a long time.
Click on "fanposts"
You’ll have the option of viewing the most popular posts in the last day, week, and all time.
I believe it’s called “I’ll tell you why!” and it’s by RGB.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
O'Call and Rudy were the worst at of all of them
They both struggled. Casey was by far better then Rudy at Center. I still think we need an Elite LT. I think we need to trade for Gaither on the Ravens, move Albert to the RT spot, and start Casey at center. The O-Line would be 1000 times better. Rumor is that Gaither can be had for a 2nd.
I think
the chiefs have already played their cards with Albert being their left tackle. If they were going to make the move this season then they needed to do it over the off-season.
I didn’t grade anything other than the first four series…but during that time Rudy did fine.
Thanks for the response Bw.
Bewsaf@comcast.net
insert dead horse picture below
Gaither is fat and lazy, and not a ZB LT.
Albert IS a LT, and playing very well.
O’Call struggled on a handfull of plays, but had a pretty decent season last year, so it’s early to give up on him.
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
I agree
that the Chiefs have all their playing cards in Albert, but if you ask me is a big mistake. He’s could be a pro bow LG or RT in my opinion. I agree if they felt that if they need a LT they would have address it in the off-season, which in my opinion again a mistake. The O-Line would look a lot better and productive with Gaither, Water, Casey, Lilja, Albert. Just my opinion and my veiw on when I watch games.
O’Call would be a very good back up as well as Rudy.
I agree...
that O’Cal would be a good backup. Everybody knew that the Chiefs might want to upgrade the RT in the draft. It just didn’t happen (to many other needs).
I would like to get an eye on Rudy playing guard. I hoped that the injuries would force Rudy to play a lot of guard in this next preseason game so I could see how valuable he could be for the Chiefs if he had to go to a backup.
The reality on the offensive line is that the Chiefs are going to have to plug in some different players in the next 3 years at a couple of positions. Maybe there are a couple on the current players on the roster that will be ready for that or maybe they will have to go get them (at this point it is not clear to me).
Bewsaf@comcast.net
it's not clear yet...
there is more depth this year than last, and several of the “projects” appear to have a chance this year, which wasn’t the case last year. (Brown, BRich, even Harris and of course Asamoah)
Gaither is NOT a good fit here(too fat, lazy, big for ZB), so that thought needs to just die.
Albert IS a good and improving LT, so the thought of moving him needs to die too.
Really, KC needs to focus on drafting another OT and C in the next yr or two, but probably NOT a 1st round, “blue chip” LT…
other than that, I’m excited to see what this team can do with a litlte continuity, so I wouldn’t start “shuffling the chips” just yet.
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Sorry, but it isn't going to die
regarding Albert being moved to his natural Guard position. Don’t know where you’re getting the delusion from that Albert is a good & improving LT, but he isn’t going to get any better at the position — there wasn’t any indication of it in the Atlanta game — and at least 28 of the other 31 teams would not start him at LT.
Incidentally, the Chiefs O-Line coach has also harbored thoughts about moving Albert as he was pushing for Russell Okung to be drafted. You can read about it here:
http://www.kcchiefsblog.com/draft/chiefs-coach-wanted-russell-okung
by ALL accounts, Albert had a good game vs Atlanta
Albert DOMINATED Dumervil last year vs Denver
oh, and see the analysis above, he’s doing his job.
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
That's a lie about Dumervil
as Albert didn’t line up across from Dumervil for more than 10 snaps in the 2 games combined against Denver & Dumervil beat Albert for a couple of pressures in the first game. Where are you getting your info from? I don’t need that analysis from above as I watched the game - 3 times- and can watch it again. The more I read your posts , the more I’m convinced that you don’t watch the games at all.
I'm not going to argue with you, you certainly seem convinced of your opinion.
you just shouldn’t pass your opinion off as fact, and call me a liar.
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
Because he disagrees with you?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
"I don't need that analysis from above"
That’s the spirit. Way to seek knowledge :)
If you HAD taken the time to read it, you’d see that Albert didn’t miss a single assignment on pass blocking or run blocking.
No one he was against got a sack or even a pressure (and that’s not just from above, I too have watched the game multiple times). How is that not indicating that he’s gotten better? What more do you want him to do?
You claim that in the ATL game he played poorly, but the tape doesn’t back you up. Are you sure you aren’t allowing your preconceived notions about a player affect your opinion?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Really, KC needs to focus on drafting another OT and C in the next yr or two, but probably NOT a 1st round, "blue chip" LT…
I agree with this. I am assuming by OT you mean ROT.
This year will put the critics to bed or bring out more in regard to Albert.
Bewsaf@comcast.net
yeah, probably a RT
or, a swingtackle for depth, if O’Call plays well, but Brown/BRich don’t pan out
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?
That about covers it.
This year will put the critics to bed or bring out more in regard to Albert.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Good points Bwoods
the only thing I would differ with you on is Gaither. I’d rather the Chiefs draft a blue-chip LT prospect. Keep your eyes on Anthony Castonzo of Boston College & Joseph Barksdale of LSU. And Albert isn’t playing well — he got called for a penalty of lining up off the line of scrimmage and still got beaten on the play and allowed a QB pressure on another series. Albert is Guard being played out of position at LT and the Chiefs are depriving him of the chance to be standout Guard like he was at Virginia and make the Pro Bowl.
I think I am done with drafting LSU players
maybe they are good, but they sure aren’t NFL ready immediately
Ninja Ass
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 20, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Understood regarding your LSU concern,
but Barksdale hails from Detroit, Mich., he isn’t a typical LSU player and LSU O-Lineman have a decent track record ( Kevin Mawae, Alan Faneca ). One could make the same case against Tennessee players (Turk McBride — bust, Brad Cottam — injury casualty) and yet many Chiefs fans still wanted Eric Berry.

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