Chiefs GM Scott Pioli Declines Comment On Jarrad Page Situation
by Joel Thorman on Aug 11, 2010 6:02 PM CDT
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Here is the least surprising news you'll hear today:
Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli declined to comment on the Jarrad Page situation.
"I only talk about the guys that are here," he told reporters (which you can view on KCChiefs.com) after Wednesday's morning practice.
"How many times have you heard that?"
It sounds vaguely familiar....
Last year with the Larry Johnson situation, Todd Haley deflected many questions that were directed his way during in-season press conferences. He consistently said he wouldn't talk much about it -- and he didn't, for the most part.
This time around the Chiefs aren't even opening the topic of discussion.
It's probably in the Chiefs best interests not to say anything. Jarrad Page's brother/agent/spokesman John issued a release accusing the Chiefs of being "Vindictive" and blaming Todd Haley for his stint on injured reserve. That should tell the Chiefs right off the bat that this isn't a battle they want to take public.
So we wait. My guess is that we're going to be waiting a long, long time before this is resolved one way or the other.
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Is it just me...or does it look like Pioli is losing weight?
His face looks a lot thinner in that pic.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Its the heat...
I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 11, 2010 6:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Because we all know...
… that Fat + Tan = Muscle.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 11, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
thats what happens
when you stop eating KC BBQ for a few weeks
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
To me Pioli
in this picture anyway looks strikingly similar to Tony Soprano. Page and his brother might wanna check their role on how they approach this.
I was just thinking tonight....
When Pioli came to town, didn’t he say he was looking for a good italian place to eat? Maybe that is where he is conducting his business meetings.
I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 11, 2010 8:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He did say what he will miss about Boston is the food....
I guess he was serious!
by bonesjackson on Aug 11, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The local lobster might be a little lacking here.
Needs for 2010:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Safety
by Bleedingredandgold on Aug 11, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that comment alone is what pissed Whitlock off
You know Jason loves KC food
by bonesjackson on Aug 12, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Jarrad Page sounds disgruntled plain and simple
I would think if there was anything to this “Haley caused his injury” thing, then he would have filed a grievance and this would have come out a long time ago. To me it sounds like someone who didn’t want to change and is buried himself so deep he is trying to do all he can to save face. So naturally he has gone with the “it’s not me, it’s you” tactic.
see? that's the problem ... you can't use the sarcasm font in the "header"
fortunately we CAN use it here …
I am SHOCKED and STUNNED that Pioli had no comment about Page
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
Whitlock Rocks!
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Aug 11, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously... Who is he?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Scott,
Remove your head from your ass and trade the man. You showed your hand last year when you fucked the Pollard deal. The league isn’t buying the shit you’re selling. Take what Detroit is offering, call it a day, and quit fucking around. You’re not impressing anyone.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 11, 2010 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Or sit on him
and wait for a team to lose a safety to an injury.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
I thought "The Don"
Had him buried in the walls of the new Horizon level!
Yesterday is history, tomorrow a mystery. Today is a gift, that's why it's called the present...
We cut Pollard and got nothing
and he had an excellent season for the Texans.
Yesterday is history, tomorrow a mystery. Today is a gift, that's why it's called the present...
Maybe there were no offers?
"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"
by Red N Gold Beast on Aug 11, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
If anyone wanted him that bad, you would think they would have wanted him
to attend their training camp. Makes me wonder how long it’s going to take now.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
I haven't seen any real details
but I would guess about a 6th rd pick. Maybe a 5th, but no way more than that.
Yesterday is history, tomorrow a mystery. Today is a gift, that's why it's called the present...
I read a report the other day from a Lion beat reporter...
And he made it sound like the Lions haven’t even offered or shown interest. He made a comment along the lines of “you would have to think that Detroit will show interest if/when the Chiefs start taking offers”. Not verbatim but along those lines, but unless this beat writer was just completely out of the loop it was an interesting comment.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 11, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
A few things
A. You don’t know for sure if anyone has offered anything for Page
B. You have no idea what happened with Pollard last year. How do you know they didn’t shop him, and there were just no takers? Considering that he’d been an only so-so S for us at that point, that seems like a possibility. The point is, you don’t know.
C. So the league’s not buying it, eh? Have you talked to the league? By the league do you mean all the players? Or have you just spoken to the majority of them?
D. When and how did you find out that Pioli’s main goal is to impress anyone? Because I’d really like such an inside source. And on a side note, why should he be concerned with impressing you?
and E. Dude, relax a little bit. You’re gonna give yourself a stroke getting so mad all the time :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Pollard sat on the couch for almost 3 weeks last season before the Texans signed him.
That doesn’t make me believe that teams were in a bidding war for his service.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
I was just getting ready to say the same thing...
idahochief makes the best point in reguards to Pollard. And in all honestly the only thing pollard achieved was more Turnovers. He still whiffed on many tackles and still was among the leagues worst at giving up completions. But since he made a few highlights on ESPN he had a spectacular year? I dont get the infatuation with Pollard.
Eh...
a lot of people credited him with turning the Texans’ defense around during the course of last season. Apparently he was a lot better than what they had.
Then again, he is a lot better than what his departure left us with. But that’s kind of the point. We lost value. We downgraded at a position, upgraded another team, and gained absolutely nothing.
I know it doesn’t matter now, what with that Berry kid and all, but it was still a weird move.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 11, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
as Haley has said
last season was a tear down season to get the team on the right course. Pollard was apparently seen to be a bad seed or the wrong attitude in that quest. Cut bait and move on.
Charlie Weis' Leg
Relax? I'm not trying to make sure every comment reads like it was written by some soulless attorney.
You can get in line and take whatever is being served. I’ll, you know, generate my own opinions and question how things taste. And this Page deal, tastes like it was prepared by someone who doesn’t know his way around the kitchen.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 11, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You are getting in line. Just a different line.
Frankly, you remind me of those goth kids in high school that acted like they were the true “individuals” while the athletes and “preps” were all such conforming losers.
But the problem is they were conforming too. Just to a different group.
Make no mistake, just because your “everything sucks about the Chiefs right now” group is in the minority doesn’t make it any less conformist.
Guys like you (view-wise) accuse others of looking through “rose-colored glasses”. The fact that I have yet to see you write a single positive thing since I’ve joined this site (or before that, for that matter) shows that you are the one looking through colored glasses. They’re just crap colored.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
he's just a part
of the small group on here that still have irrational Herm boners and can’t get over it. Someday they’ll rationalize their way onto the bandwagon.
Charlie Weis' Leg
by kabrink on Aug 11, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Actually he’s one of the few guys still here that haven’t left after being attacked over and over again for their opinions.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I think it's fair to ask people to
support their opinions with … something. It’s not enough to just say, for example, “I hate Pioli, he has a big ego.” This is not known by us and also doesn’t seem particularly evident at all to me. Or “Cassel sucks, did you see what he did last year.” But, ignore or minimize all the related components as to why his performance was what it was.
Charlie Weis' Leg
If that’s what you want then ask for evidence. Don’t start talking shit on people. And by the way, Cassel DID suck last year, regardless of the excuses.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I think that's fair, JC
And that’s what I’m doing. I’m pointing out to him a couple of things.
First, that he doesn’t have any evidence to back up his opinion.
And second, he is fairly antagonistic in his posts to the point of being very rude.
I don’t think I’ve been anything but polite towards him, despite that. Of course, I’m not sure if you’re referring to my interaction with him or not…
If so, know that I sincerely don’t want to offend or insult. I’ve told H2E that as well, and he seems to take it all in good fun.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s not rude to anyone in particular, it’s just the way he posts. Stick to your point number one and leave his posting style out of it and it should be all good. He’s gottten around here fine for a few years now. The only thing that has changed are the other people. If you want to debate him then debate him on the subject matter and ignore the rest. If not, ignore it all together.
That’s the interaction style that made this place great and it’s something that we’ve been getting away from lately.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Ahh I see. Thanks for the advice
I’ll stick to the subject matter. However, I do think it’s odd that a few people get the green light to speak to people in a manner that would never be accepted face-to-face.
That said, I’ll honor the “code” of AP and listen to Old Guard wisdom.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Basically, you get the green light to say most anything as long as you’re not insulting someone. And by insulting someone, I mean you’re not saying “MNchiefsfan you’re a f’n moron” or something of that nature.
It’s easier to ignore someone that you consistently disagree with (and trust me, everyone has SOMEONE that annoys the piss out of them) and to move on to other discussions. The only reason I’m even saying anything is because I think you can add to discussions but I also like reading what HIV says, whether I agree with HOW he says it or not.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
I can't think of the last time HIV said something other than a negative comment.
Like on another post where he’s talking about his league sources, and they say Haley is a jerk and could have been the problem with Page. How can you back that up?
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Ignore him if that bothers you. But his negative posts aren’t aimed at anyone on this site so people need to back off taking personal shots at him.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Personal shots?
What my comment about the man crush on Pollard. Look at his avatar pic Jcomp he’s butt sore over us trading Pollard, so he has to hate on Haley and Pioli.
Why do i have to ignore his comments? If he doesn’t like what i say, he can ignore mine, and you can too.
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Why is it so hard to leave the personal shit out? Have a disagreement with someone but stick to the fuckin subject instead of acting like a high school girl. God damn this isn’t that fucking hard.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
HIV=JComp, can this be the same person?
How did anything i said in that comment drive you to the point of saying the “F” word. Thumbs up for you!
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look Jcomp I can deal with the cursing
but please drop the GD b/c I DO find that offensive.
Chiefs Will
If Haley is such an asshole/imbecile, how did he get Crennell and Weis?
Both of those guys knew Haley and worked with him previously. Both of them had many options for places to coach. If Haley were a buffoon then they wouldn’t be here.
Neither would T. Jones.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Uhh.... they were unemployed?
how did he get Crennell and Weis?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 12, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you missed my point.
Both Crennell and Weis had a lot of other options than going to work for Haley. They chose to join the Chiefs staff. And if either or both of them wants to be a head coach again then they are intrinsically tied to Haley’s success.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Aug 12, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
He's insulting our coaching staff and GM.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion in here, i get that, and it’s fine with me. But it’s the way he words it, that makes the difference to me, and if he doesn’t like personal attack’s he shouldn’t personally attack our GM,Coaching staff or our players.
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It's not the opinion
It’s the hostile, aggressive and abusive presentation.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
That’s my whole point. If it’s not hostile agressive or abusive towards you directly, IGNORE IT.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
JC, to be fair, no one was saying anything hostile, aggressive, or abusive towards you directly
And you’re not ignoring it.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 12, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In fact
I’ve never addressed JC directly at all.
Truthfully I’d be perfectly happy if AP had an “ignore user” function like a lot of blogs / forums do. So the handful of perpetually hardcore negatives around can go on ill tempered diatribes til they’re blue in the face, be happy with getting off their chest what they want to, and I’ll never have to have it clutter up some otherwise productive and often enlightening discussions about the Chiefs.
It’s win-win.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I wouldn't go that far TRS
H2E has some good things to say, even if we disagree. Plus, one of the things that makes this place great is a melting pot of opinions.
I get where you’re coming from, but everyone should (within reason) have a voice.
After all, we’re all rooting for the same team here.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Why not?
It’s a perfectly viable option on pretty much every forum around.
I really don’t like jabs of negativity injected into my discussion. When I know for a fact that there are a handful of posters that will always say something negative and generally disrupt the flow of any discussion, not even having the posts display hurts no one.
If the “we hate Pioli and Haley” crowd don’t ever want to see me posting saying “You know, I think those two are probably on the right track and doing a good job of it” – great, they wouldn’t have to see it either.
It’s not the melting pot of opinions, that doesn’t enter into it. It’s people being blatantly negative. I love differing / dissenting opinions. But I’d far prefer responding to one that’s presented in a respectful manner. Show respect, receive respect. It’s a pretty basic principle.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
It doesn’t disrupt the flow of the discussion until there are ten replies taking shots back at the “negative” poster. That’s where you and everyone else should resist the urge to reply.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
It doesn't disrupt it for you maybe.
When I’m reading a chain of comments, all of which have been reasonably presented regardless of what side the opinions come from, I’m enjoying reading it.
Then when someone comes in with, say the recent comment in another thread “That Ginger bitch is ruining our sport” – it takes a good discussion and suddenly brings it to a screeching halt. Or to put it in terms like HIV would use, “it takes a shit right on my dinner plate”.
If there was an ‘ignore user’s comments’ function, then him spewing that garbage doesn’t screw up the flow of conversation for me or any others, and people won’t be compelled to respond because they simply don’t see the comments.
What’s so hard about that concept?
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
That’s easy, it’s not how this place works and it’s not how it has ever worked. If you have a problem with a comment flag it and continue the discussion.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Initially I did that
Been here just almost a year now. Nothing’s ever been done about comments that I’ve flagged.
I’m not a rampant flagger, and I’m pretty friggin far from being this guy:
But I have flagged some comments that, not even that they had no place here – but they were just negative and awful through and through.
So I guess thanks for your concern, your input has been duly noted. And will be ignored. Like mine.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Yeah well the moderators aren’t here doing their jobs so someone has to throw it out there. I’ve ignored it long enough.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
So from now on I'll just FLAG every comment from HIV
Because his ID is a insult to this blog, and a personal attack.
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If you’re THAT insulted then go for it.
And by “personal attack” I am talking about on another commentor. I’m sure you knew that, but I figured I’d state it just to be clear.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
It's not even so much him being directly insulted by it I don't think
But more that he’s an AP’er. Someone comes here, sees a guy with HIV’s name, and we’re pretty much collectively branded because we allow (and in some cases I see here, embrace) that.
What would you think if you went over to a Broncos site and saw someone posting pretty belligerent things and his username was something like “PriestHolmesShouldDieOfAIDS”
I know I’d certainly consider a GQ spread and “Classy site of the year” nomination.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
What would you think if you went over to a Broncos site and saw someone posting pretty belligerent things and his username was something like "PriestHolmesShouldDieOfAIDS"
I’d remember, first of all, that I’m old enough not to be offended by people on the internet. I’d then remember that I’m also old enough to know that just because one person is “belligerent” doesn’t mean the whole group is. Seems like a pretty reasonable thought process.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
See I would expect those things in someplace like 4chan.
But from what I understand, AP is considered pretty respectable which is why I started coming here in the first place.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Agreed
I don’t think that his ID should have been allowed in the first place, kinda childish IMO.
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I can get mt point accrossed without cussing why is he allowed to do it , and then get support from you, when you're so worried about what we say?
I don’t have a problem with him personally but i think he could and should word his argument differently. If he would have left out the cussing, and personal attack on our coaching staff i would have been fine with his opinion.
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I think I’ve answered this question a hundred times already. As long as you are not attacking another commentator or being completely vulgar (he’s not even close to being completely vulgar) then you can post pretty much whatever you want to post.
He gets support from me because the responses to him ARE personal attacks. It’s completely different.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
So if i said something about your Mom it would be ok, because she's not a poster , ok i got it.
A personal attack is a personal attack no matter how you look at it. Whether it’s a poster or not it’s still a personal attack. Plus you seem to be the only one arguing this point.
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So to clarify:
“That Ginger bitch us ruining our sport”
“Those fucks in the league office”
etc
Is what you’re so adamantly defending.
And I really haven’t seen anyone attack HIV, unless you consider MN saying that HIV is guilty of the same thing he thinks about others. Or my desire to just not have his posts show up on my browser as a toggle-able option.
Outside of that, multiple people saying he should probably exhibit a little respect while posting isn’t exactly ganging up.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
This is his comment, that you're defending.
Remove your head from your ass and trade the man. You showed your hand last year when you fucked the Pollard deal. The league isn’t buying the shit you’re selling. Take what Detroit is offering, call it a day, and quit fucking around. You’re not impressing anyone.
IMO that bring’s nothing to this blog at all.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 12, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you can't hang with the big dogs, don't leave the porch.
Maybe HIV and Chicks could start their own blog instead of AP, it could be AP negative:P
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can rec that!
chicks just loves to try to make people look like idiots… When Toomer made the comment about the Chiefs earlier this offseason… I made the comment that I was glad we cut him…Chicks dug back a year later to a post that was saying how good Toomer was doing during camp. I had said that I liked Toomer (b/c at that point I did) and he posted that I put that in a previous post…I think its hillarious that he cares so much to try to make people look dumb that he will go back a year.. seems like an infatuation to me
Chiefs Will
The Herm supporters
I really have to shake my heads at these people who thought Herm was anything but a disaster as a head coach. Jets fans laughed at us when we gave up a draft pick to get him off their hands. His career coaching record is 54-74 (.422 win percentage). The Chiefs got worse every year he was here.
“Oh, but the team loved him and they played hard for him!” That may be true but they were so fucking out of shape that it didn’t matter if they were playing hard or not.
Seriously, a professional coach was putting a team on the field that wasn’t in good enough physical condition to compete. That should disqualify Herm’s from any coaching bona fides at all. High school coaches know enough to not lose because their kids are not in shape. Herm was a fucking total embarrassment.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Aug 12, 2010 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well no offense
but you appear to have an irrational Haley/Cassel “boner”.
We’re all hoping the direction we’re moving in really is the right one but they haven’t proved squat yet.
Note: I in no way support or respect Herm Edwards as an NFL head coach.
by bamachief5558 on Aug 15, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and also
None of what you said refutes any of the points I made.
You have no more idea than the rest of us what went on with Pollard and what’s happening with Page. You’re just guessing, and because you’re glasses are crap colored, you’re guessing that Pioli is screwing us and everything is terrible and that we’re the laughingstock of the league.
I guess I don’t think any of those things because, well, there’s no evidence for any of them.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Was the attorney comment a shot at me being pre-law?
Because if so, you need to make it more blunt. I was more confused than insulted :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
OK chef Ramsey
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds great!!!
we just need to get Jarad Page to sign his tender first.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Dude go follow the Texans then.
Since you have a Pollard man crush, or move to Cali so you can be closer to Page. We went thru the demand to be traded scenario with Pollard, it isn’t going to happen again. Get over it and move on, Pioli doesn’t need to impress you, nor is he worried about what you think he should do.
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 11, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Long time reader, infrequent poster...
…but even I’ve noticed that you are the most negative Chiefs “fan” on this board.
Chiefs 2010 Prediction: 8-8
I remember when H2E joined Ap...both times....
It took me a long time to read him. He reminds me a lot of Rush Limbaugh. In delivery only, trying to state his opinion while riling both constituents and adversaries.
I will say I think he (H2E) is very intelligent but also likes making a statement. The other thing he does is to approach everything as an abrasive devils advocate. I could do without the attacks, insults and language but I do appreciate his input.
I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 11, 2010 8:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I think you're right about the input
He backs up most of his opinions with at least some evidence, and comes by it honestly.
I could also do without feeling insulted every time he comments, but if that’s the worst thing that happens to me all day, life is pretty good :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
You haven’t been here very long if you still feel insulted by HIV.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
by JComp11 on Aug 11, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be frank, no I haven't been here long. But...
Being impolite on a consistent basis is hardly an excuse to continue to be impolite.
As I posted a second ago, H2E seems to know that I’m coming from a good place, and we’ve had a few decent interactions. I disagree with him, but as I said, at least he generally backs up his opinions. In this case, he didn’t, so I called him on it in what I hope was a polite way.
However, just because I’m a newb (who has shown nothing but utmost respect for everyone on here) doesn’t mean that I can’t tell when someone is being rude.
He’s a decent guy for the most part, but that does not make him immune to criticism for his arguments or occasional lack of courtesy.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s a decent guy for the most part, but that does not make him immune to criticism for his arguments or occasional lack of courtesy.
I feel like we’re going in circles here. If he’s not being courteous to you, then say something about it. But the original comment had nothing to do with you or anyone here in particular.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Very true..
If this is the worst thing that happens….and insult or two…we’ve truly got it made.
I have a feeling that 2010 will be a defining year for the Kansas City Chiefs. Do we become the 2001 Patriots or footballs version of the royals??
by Cowboynchrist on Aug 11, 2010 9:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Haley seems to..
rub a lot of people the wrong way…he needs to apologize in private to Page
Please use the sarcasm font. For a second there I thought you were serious.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
Haley has been doing just fine, what is up with these guy's who continue to think it's a problem
You and HIV need to catch up with what going on with this team, because you guys are on a completely different page than we are.
Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
by CPT.Caveman on Aug 11, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aha, different Page than we are
Get it? Get it? Page…than..we…uh nevermind.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
"Jarrad, while you're here you're going to play as hard as possible..."
“…and work your ever-lovin’ ass off.”
“But I don’t WANNA!” (cue tantrum)
“Oh, okay little buddy. I’m really sorry about that. Let’s go get ice cream.”
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I really like that they do this.
Never would they comment on these to bring negative attention to the team. Granted Page isnt high profile by any means but I just like how they will never get in to that game publically.
I'm not sure Pioli can get away with that line.
Haley can because he’s the coach so yes his concern are the guys that are there and getting ready to field a team. Pioli is the GM and he can’t use that line really, seems like something he should be dealing with.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I think Pioli's made it clear
That he owes the press nothing. He considers what he gives them to be a gift, and they should be happy with it. However, KC did not develop a rabid fan base by shunning the press. He should keep that in mind.
Yesterday is history, tomorrow a mystery. Today is a gift, that's why it's called the present...
Not quite true.
That he owes the press nothing
.
He like to think that, but it seems the Star has taken issue and won. The Star posts comments about lack of access to the OC and DC, then magically interviews take place. It probably surprised many people here that despite the interviews, we don’t seem less likely to win it all.
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Aug 12, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
So you think that from the first day Pioli came in
He and Haley had no plan whatsoever to change up coordinators?
That it was the Star that sparked the idea in Pioli’s mind, “Hey there Scotty. Remember those two guys from a few years back that you know really well, worked with an awful lot, and won some super bowls with? Maybe dial them up and see what’s shakin’”.
I think you give the Star too much credit.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
He’s talking about interviews the press has with the coordinators, not the job interviews.
A week or so ago they were upset with how the Chiefs didn’t allow anyone to the indoor “walkthrough” as well so they provided a tape to prove it was just a “walkthrough.” It’s a similar situation. They’re not going to give up an ounce of information past what the NFL requires them to provide.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
And you think that Pioli and Co. aren't aware of the requirements
To allow access to the OC / DC?
The Star being the squeaky wheel may have complained enough to help the KC Front Office decide on the when for the access time. But they really accomplished nothing of any measure.
So a pair of interviews happened a few days earlier than they might have, so we can hear “coach speak” from CW and RC on Monday instead of Friday. “Well they’re working really hard and hopefully they can improve and make a difference for us.”
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I traded Page already on madden!
No room for slackers. even in the video game world.
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Aug 11, 2010 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
Did you get 2 firsts and a second...
otherwise you got robbed
Go Chiefs!!!!
hahahahaha
Would ya like a free NANAA!
by Jazzy Megalodon on Aug 11, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
TRADE HIM.
I mean come on, we’ve all known it was gonna happen for months. Let’s just get it over with, get a late draft pick for him, and draft a TE next year. We all know that’s what’s gonna go down anyway.
honestly at this point....who cares...oh right, Page should care. Since hes the 25(or so) year old that prefers to sit out of camp after an injury plagued IR season to be traded/get a contract from a D that has been one of the worst in the league.
oh jarrad…might have cost yourself 4-5 years in the nfl…
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Team Colquitt
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves, ganging up on HIV, just because
he thinks a little outside the box, and not the same as you. Be respectful of others opinions. You look like a gang of thugs.
"Now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
~Voltaire~ (On his death bed, when asked by a priest to renounce Satan)
Perhaps it would be handy
To state exactly who you’re talking to, rather than issuing a “blanket” rebuke…
Also, could you point out where he’s being attacked and not debated with? It’s hard to convey this online but I’m genuinely asking, not being sarcastic or trying to argue.
I want to get along with everyone, and if I’ve done something wrong I’ll be quick to make amends. I’m just not sure what you’re talking about (hence my suggestion that you be more specific).
Any input you could give me on how to be more respectful would be greatly appreciated :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not a professional debater, but this sounds like a personal attack
A few things A. You don’t know for sure if anyone has offered anything for Page
B. You have no idea what happened with Pollard last year. How do you know they didn’t shop him, and there were just no takers? Considering that he’d been an only so-so S for us at that point, that seems like a possibility. The point is, you don’t know.
C. So the league’s not buying it, eh? Have you talked to the league? By the league do you mean all the players? Or have you just spoken to the majority of them?
D. When and how did you find out that Pioli’s main goal is to impress anyone? Because I’d really like such an inside source. And on a side note, why should he be concerned with impressing you?
and E. Dude, relax a little bit. You’re gonna give yourself a stroke getting so mad all the time :)
Look at how many times that you use the term “you.” Here, you are not debating the argument (as you should be), but the person. You could have worded it like this:
A) We dont know for sure if anything has been offered for Page. Pioli is generally tight lipped about player negotiations and nothing has come out of the Lions camp other than rumors from reporters and fans, no direct sources. The only direct source we have heard from is Page’s brother/agent. We should wait to hear both sides before rushing to judgement.
…if you could word all of your points like this, with more evidence to support your counter argument, it will add a lot of civility to the discussion. Additionally, point E is a personal attack. A smiley face icon at the end of it not only doesn’t make it any better, but it is a bit childish.
Another personal attack:
Frankly, you remind me of those goth kids in high school that acted like they were the true "individuals" while the athletes and "preps" were all such conforming losers.
But the problem is they were conforming too. Just to a different group.
Make no mistake, just because your "everything sucks about the Chiefs right now" group is in the minority doesn’t make it any less conformist.
Guys like you (view-wise) accuse others of looking through "rose-colored glasses". The fact that I have yet to see you write a single positive thing since I’ve joined this site (or before that, for that matter) shows that you are the one looking through colored glasses. They’re just crap colored.
You fail to advance your argument here and just rant about HIV and his “crap colored glasses.” If this argument were directed at me, I probably would have flagged it for being a personal attack. However, I dont know if HIV would take it personally or not, so I choose to leave that up to him.
I am not a fan of HIV’s comments, but I feel that you are out of line here. If you expect KC to be G-rated, you are wrong. Think of it more like a bar. Although his language is often abrasive, I regularly hear worse things in bar conversations. I rarely see HIV personally attack any member on this site. He usually sticks to the Chiefs and their management. Although I disagree with him a lot, if I cannot formulate a reasonable argument against his opinion, than I usually ignore his comments and move on. If I have the time to formulate an argument, I try my best not to attack him personally. Occasionally, HIV (as will the rest of us) will cross a line into something that we find offensive. If you find something personally offensive, flag the comment and let the mods take care of it. However, just because something rubs you the wrong way, take a step back and see who he is attacking before you flag. If he is attacking the Chiefs players/organization/or management, let it go and formulate a counter argument. If he is attacking a member, group, or other person in an inappropriate way, flag it and move on.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 12, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
With regards to the first
The reason I put a smiley face at the end was because I was smiling when I wrote it. That’s the only reason I ever do that. And to be fair, wouldn’t calling what I did childish fall into what you’re calling a personal attack?
Using the word “you” does not a personal attack make. I was directly rebutting an argument than he’d made, making the word you (while not necessary) relevant. I appreciate the advice on wording and will attempt to follow it, though.
With regards to my second “personal attack”, I’m sure you’ve seen people use examples when making a point before. That’s all I was doing, in an attempt to show that he may not be quite as individual (and therefore more thoughtful) in his opinion as he believes.
In addition, you should note that I was responding to this statement…
“Relax? I’m not trying to make sure every comment reads like it was written by some soulless attorney.
You can get in line and take whatever is being served. I’ll, you know, generate my own opinions and question how things taste. And this Page deal, tastes like it was prepared by someone who doesn’t know his way around the kitchen."
He uses the word “you” there, and implies that I’m not generating my own opinion and being mindless. In addition, there’s a shot (while subtle, it’s there) at my posting style. Yet I don’t see you calling him out. That seems a little like a double standard.
Again, I’ll tell you the same thing I told JC. I’ll take your advice in stride and do my best to argue against the argument, not the person.
At the same time, I’d appreciate you not holding me to a different standard than you do H2E, as you are in this particular instance.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 12, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am not calling H2E out because his original comment wasnt a personal attack against anyone but SP
Scott, Remove your head from your ass and trade the man. You showed your hand last year when you fucked the Pollard deal. The league isn’t buying the shit you’re selling. Take what Detroit is offering, call it a day, and quit fucking around. You’re not impressing anyone.
Although I disagree with this statement, I dont find it inappropriate. Your response to it, however, was a personal attack. You are right, using the word “you” does not make it a personal attack. Let me clarify, the only part of your initial response that I felt was a direct pesonal attack was point E. You didnt add anything to your argument and your argument would have stood just find without it. The rest of it could have been worded differently because I felt that, rather than arguing HIV’s opinion, you were arguing HIV the person. I don’t think you meant to, but thats how I interpret it. As far as point E goes, I was not calling you childish, only the action of adding an emoticon at the end of a personal attack childish. Is it a personal attack? Maybe (but not intended as one). A strong comment on your behavior, yes.
So HIV responded to your original personal attack (point E) with a personal attack of his own. Are you really that surprised by his behavior? You could have avoided the whole thing by eliminating point E, but instead, you choose to escalate it with another personal attack. Why not let it go and move on, or, at the very least, steer the argument back to his opinion and your counter opinion??
As far a holding you to a different standard…I guess I did in some ways. You seem like someone who is open to the debate and willing to change your opinions. I feel as though, if presented with an argument, that you can be swayed to see another point of view. I really respect that. I know what HIV brings to the table. To his credit, he has been the same person as long as I have been reading this site. I know what his opinion is and I know its highly unlikely that he will care what my opinion is. He is set in his ways and will always be, at least as far as I can tell. Lets face it, AP would not be the same without HIV. HIV seems happy with who he is on this site where you are someone who, to me at least, wants to learn, listen, evolve, and improve. Its for that reason that I think I should hold you to a higher standard. You should seek a higher standard as well rather than putting yourself on level with HIV.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 12, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
"You should seek a higher standard as well rather than putting yourself on level with HIV."
So isn’t that kind of a backhanded attack on HIV?
Saying someone isn’t up to the same level as someone else?
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
Yes, I realized that when after I re-read the post
I probably should have worded it differently. Everyone has the same potential, but HIV seems to be happy where he is. He is nothing but consistent. I really admire that about him even though I disagree with his opinions 90% of the time. I have never seen his opinions change. Thats both good and bad. With MN, it seems like he is willing to listen and modify his opinions or change them outright if presented with the right argument. Again, both good and bad. I dont want to see MN become like HIV just as I wouldnt want HIV to suddenly become MN. If they did, I think they would butt heads all the time and there would never be peace on AP.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 12, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha that'd be brutal
I know I wouldn’t want to deal with another guy just like me. No one else would ever be able to get a word in…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 12, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
And again to clarify
I actually like seeing ‘dissenting’ opinions like HIV’s.
But the constant references to “Casshole” and “Egoli” and them being “stupid” and “having their heads up their asses” are juvenile at best.
You can say that you don’t like the way the front office handled Pollard without doing any of that “ooh look at me!” stuff. And be very staunch in defending that opinion, all while conversing on a level with the rest of the adults here.
Is it really so hard to say, “Man, I still stand firm that Pioli handled Pollard in the worst possible way. Here’s why” – and then back it up with something other than completely subjective opinions and name-calling / attacks on people in the organization?
I think that’s the crux of the issue that most people have with the guy.
In another thread going on right now, chicks_love_chiefs said something along the lines that Haley isn’t the kind of coach players would want to win for. I don’t agree with that opinion at all, but now I’m interested in why that’s CLC’s thoughts on the matter. There was no resorting to “Haley is stupid / had his head in his ass / should get AIDS / etc”.
There’s a big difference there.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
I agree completely
but this thread went an entirely different direction. TheK-man summarized it nicely:
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves, ganging up on HIV, just because he thinks a little outside the box, and not the same as you. Be respectful of others opinions. You look like a gang of thugs.
Although harsh, but I feel that his harsh words were needed when the emotions were running high. I know that I cannot change HIV’s behavior. I think that I CAN change MN’s by pointing out where he went wrong. Hopefully others can take the hint as well. Don’t (or try not to) attack the person, but try to respectfully break down his argument. Chris, Joel, and UC do a great job policing AP, but they can’t be everywhere all the time. However, one of the things I love about AP is that we are a self-correcting community. I see this as an example of that.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 12, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
See and that's where I disagree
With that quote from TheK-man
Nobody’s got a problem with HIV’s opinion or his stance on a matter. It’s the presentation and the tendency to say people are stupid or have their heads in their asses or make other slanderous kinds of remarks, and all of the other things previously discussed.
It’s not “thinking outside the box”. It’s refusing to communicate on the same level as those around you. And it’s going to draw scrutiny (which I’m pretty sure HIV loves the attention anyway).
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
So he uses slanderous remarks and presents them negatively
then the AP community retaliates by using slanderous remarks and presenting them negatively about HIV. Its not really productive. Its like watching children fight rather than discuss:
Child 1: So and so is stupid
Child 2: Nu-uh. You are stupid.
Child 1: Am not. You are stupid.
Child 2: Well, you smell funny.
Child 1: Nu-uh, you have cooties!
And it continues. I dont like either side of it. But as long as HIV isnt calling an AP member stupid (initially), I can tolerate it. Mostly because thats what HIV does.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 12, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think his ID is a insult to our blog.
Anyone who wishes HIV on anyone is a punk IMO.
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To weigh in
I think the reason a few of the guys are coming to H2E’s defense is that he was having so many people argue with him, some of whom did so with a certain amount of attitude.
While I hold the belief that H2E can fight his own battles and that when you present yourself a certain way you’re bound to be responded to in a similar way, I can see where they’re coming from. I suppose it looks bad when H2E says one thing and 5 or 6 guys argue with him. While that is the risk one runs when offering an opinion (the risk that many will disagree with you), nobody likes to see a person ganged up on.
Would that be close to what you’re getting at chiefsandcigars? That it’s the “many against one” issue that upsets you? If not, sorry for the inaccurate interpretation.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
No I am fine with many against one,
as long as the one is really out of line. Do you remember what Barryskoolaid did a month or so ago? He was out of line and most of the AP community jumped on him and he was banned in a matter of minutes. HIV’s comment may have been abrasive, but it wasnt out of line or inappropriate. A lot of those comments are negative and abrasive, IMO, but I dont think they have really been out of line either. If many against one want to debate HIV, thats fine. However, just reading it, it appeared as though it was quickly breaking down into attacks on both sides. I just dont think that it ever really needed to come to that.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 12, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I get that
And you’re right, it was starting to get a tish ugly…
It’s better to stop those kinds of things right away rather than letting them get out of hand.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Hey, fair enough brother!
I get where you’re coming from. I don’t entirely agree, but I see what you’re saying.
I was really just trying to lighten him up with the E comment, but I can see how that could be construed as an attack.
Point taken, and I very much appreciate your honest opinion and input.
Sometimes I do forget that things are tough on the net. While I’m trying to convey good feelings and make someone laugh a little, it may come off very differently to a person who doesn’t know me at all. I’ve tried to convey in my posts that I’m a very easy going guy who wants no trouble with anyone here, so hopefully a day will come that people won’t misconstrue me.
However, that day hasn’t come yet, and I appreciate being held accountable when I sound like I’m attacking someone.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 12, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
We are coming from the same place.
Its a whole different world online. Peace.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Aug 12, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
MNChiefs IMO
I think you’re doing just fine, you might have went a little to far with the EMO thing, but you are still a new member. I think you represent yourself well and our team, and I’m glad to have you here at the AP, in fact i think you bring so much the big dogs are not liking it, you’re stealing their glory:P
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Well thanks CPT
I appreciate the compliment. Hopefully we can all move past this and get our game faces on…
One more day baby!!!
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
Don't make me bust a cap in dat ass:P
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by CPT.Caveman on Aug 11, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder how Page is feeling
since he hired his brother to be his agent?
With the 5th pick in the 2010 draft the Kansas City Chiefs select Eric Berry of Tennessee!
My guess is that he hired his brother because he wanted it done his way. I’m bettin that Page didn’t want to listen to an agent tell him that demanding a trade is stupid after his last season and the current state of the CBA talks.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
by JComp11 on Aug 11, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good thought
That shows a tad bit of immaturity on Page’s part. It could be, though, that he’s just a guy that has a hard time trusting, so he went to family.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
by MNchiefsfan on Aug 11, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, there could be a number of reasons that he chose his brother. Now that he’s screwed the situation the Chiefs have to figure out how to deal with it, and it’s not an easy problem to solve. I think, in the short term, sitting on him is the best option. Someone will come calling.
If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen
Page should report
Just sign his one year deal. Show his game in the preseason and maybe a team would bite. If no one wants him then play out the year and hope he will be unrestricted at the end of the year.
Page would make this secondary a lot better.
big upgrade over Jon McGraw.
Can anyone tell me how it would be more beneficial for the Chiefs to trade Pollard RIGHT NOW
vs. trading him later? Trading him now makes no sense. The Chiefs are literally holding all of the cards right now. He is not taking up a roster spot, they are not paying him any money, and they can sit back and relax until the highest bidder has made an offer. Page has absolutely no leverage in this situation, hence the ridiculous radio interviews by his brother/agent.
What’s going to be sad for Page is when a trade is offered to/accepted by the Chiefs and the contract deal is equal to or less than his current salary he would be making by signing his restricted tender. Then what does Page do?
Man I'd love to trade Pollard right now.
That would really screw the Texans.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
disgruntled players in general
I too am an avid reader of posts and little posts of my own, but it seems to me there is always someone with there feelings hurt or think they are better than they are.
Wanta play football and get paid really good money then shut up ,man up, and get out on the field and do your talking.
What is Page's Injury?
I have read through all of your 128+ comments. No one has asked the obvious question.
Page alleges an injury from last year that kept him from playing! Just what the hell was that injury??? He never has come out and told us. I don’t think that a bruised EGO qualifies. If Page wants my sympathy, he will provide that information. Until he does give us the details Let stay in Calif( come and live in florida) and suck on his sugar teat!
Just My 2 Cents
1. Plenty of people on this blog annoy me with their posting style. Some seem like Happy Go-lucky ass kissers and some seem like Doom speakers. But I ignore it. It’s easier to do than turning an entire thread into a back and forth that just puts people against each other.
2. Everyone needs to get some thicker skin with this personal attack BS. We all know what a personal attack is. HIV wasn’t attacking anyone and (unless I missed something blatant) everyone else wasn’t attack HIV, just asking for him to back up his ideas. H2E isn’t an idiot, why do you think he hasn’t been posting during all this? He knew exactly what kind of response he was going to have to that comment and I don’t think anyone “crossed” the line in their response.
"The dirtier the sound the best I breathe, I tried to do it all for you and you didn't do anything for me"
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