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Opponents Point Out Chiefs Have Done Nothing To Help Run Defense

The Chiefs improved in quite a few areas from 2009 to 2010 (even though they've yet to take the field). From retaining Chris Chambers to adding Dexter McCluster to signing Ryan Lilja, there are a lot of reasons to be optimistic about the Chiefs chances of improving offensively.

Likewise, the Chiefs secondary got a boost of talent with the addition of Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis while Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr enter their third season.

But...(there's always a but)....what about the run defense?

Star-divide

The Chiefs have done virtually nothing to improve that area. They signed Shaun Smith, who is expected to backup Ron Edwards at nose tackle and added rookie Cameron Sheffield to the outside linebackers via the draft.

Other than that, not much has changed -- and opponents are noticing.

In a preview for The Sporting News written by the Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher, an "anonymous opponent" passes along their view of the Chiefs. The positives are there -- Thomas Jones, Ryan Lilja and the offensive moves -- but what about the defense?

"They'll have to be a lot better with the ball because I don't think they did enough to improve their defense. They were way too easy to run against last year, and I don't see how that's changed. Crennel also will have to figure out a way to get more pressure on the passer than they did last year."

As we've said before, the Chiefs are banking on the talent already in-house making a leap. Considering the run defense and the pass rush was so atrocious last year, that's a big gamble -- one that might determine the future of the 2010 Chiefs.

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Romoe, Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo?

I gotta believe that better coaching will get us better results, including on the run game.

Needs for 2010:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Safety

by Bleedingredandgold on Jul 7, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Reasons for hope, starts with the offence.

If there are far fewer 3-n-outs by the O, then the rested D will benefit. Also throw in the KR game, providing better field position. Yes, DJ and Co. will have to step up a bit, but the additions of Berry and Arenas can allow many different blitz packages to force a passing game on their 3rd downs.

by gregorychief on Jul 7, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Romeo a D-Line coach before he was a coordinator?

Hopefully he can get more production out of Dorsey and Jackson.

Predictions:

1) Fans will feel just scads better from mid-to-end of the 2010 season.
2) During the 2021 season, Ryan Succop will become the Chiefs’ all-time leading scorer with 1469 points.

by Dove40 on Jul 7, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just have to believe

That they saw something in our young players on “D” specifically our LB core that made them feel comfortable about not addressing those position’s of need.

by CPT.Caveman on Jul 7, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

or...

They could only address so many needs this year.

I fear a long season.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Jul 7, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's probably more the case

It’s actually nice that the Chiefs had so many needs in such a deep draft class…made it easier to simply take the best player available and still address needs.

Having said that, I do think we are fine at DE, and if someone (Lokey, do you hear me?) can step in and play decent in the middle the DL will be fine. I do think we still need a game changing ILB to compliment DJ &/or Belcher. A great pass rusher opposite Hali, with this secondary, could make this one of the better D’s in the league, very quickly (assuming NT get’s taken care of).

I say next season’s draft will have us taking a NT and rush OLB in the 1st & 2nd rounds (order being dependent on BPA), then taking a few OL after that. We are a couple injuries away from having an awful OL again.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Jul 7, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

A Center would be nice early

Also a LG, and maybe even a RT, if you know who doesn’t pan out.

by CPT.Caveman on Jul 7, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

by NJ Chiefs Fan

There is nothing to fear ; but fear itself ! Get comfortable ! Training camp hasn’t started yet ! Geaux Chiefs !

by 65tosspowertrap on Jul 7, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trap

I am sorry if I had anything to do with your forced seperation :(
I am glad you are here!

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think both.

Better coaching, two young defensive ends on the upswing, less time on the field with an improved offense, worse field position for opposing offenses because of our improved offense, some run blitz packages, are all things they are counting on. It might just work. But you can’t fix it all in a single draft. I expect Charles, McCluster, and Arenas will combine for some kick return and punt return scores this year. All those things will mean that teams will have to pass more against us in catch up situations and will not have big leads that they can just protect by running it down our throats. Its a whole different ballgame this year.

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

- Groucho Marx

by Bilyous on Jul 7, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The secondary is better so the run defense should improve

By how much is unknown…

Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium and when rivals think they are going to be fine on an island of Flowers, they will get hit by what feels like a Carr. Ultimately, they will never be able to eat a Berry ever again.

by worc on Jul 7, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Arenas is a blitzer and a run stuffer

The biggest thing is better DLine play.

Berry wont hurt either, nor will another year for Tamba, Belcher, or DJ

by WURoyal on Jul 7, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Run Stuffer?

Sarcasm font? The kid is 5’9" that ain’t any kind of run stuffer I’ve ever seen.

by Aesthetist on Jul 7, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's great and all...

but what does returning kicks, sacking QBs and intercepting passes have to do with run stuffing?

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

I was about to post a similar response.

by Djpress on Jul 7, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

So because we see him stop 2 running backs when he came in free (when he was probably blitzing in the first place),

And tackled them by the ankles, he’s a run stuffer?

Look, I’m excited about Arenas and can’t wait to see him play… but he’s going to make the most impact returning kicks and rushing the QB. You’re the first person I’ve seen refer to him as a run stuffer. I don’t think that’s his mantra at all.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also I'm pretty sure he made more than just 2 tackles on RB's.

Point is he can put presser on the QB when he is blitzing, and also stop the run.

by CPT.Caveman on Jul 7, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

You’re both wrong :P

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I never once said he was a run stuff look at all my comments, i just responded to a comment about it with a video showing he could tackle. So you’re wrong :P

by CPT.Caveman on Jul 7, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

You were defending him when Aesthetist questioned his “run stuffing” ability. You sure seemed to agree that he was a run stuffer.

Anyways… it’s good to see that you agree with me :P

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blitzing off the edge and making the form tackle in space (for a loss) is a huge plus in the NFL.

Picking a guy who has made an art form of using the inside leverage as a platform for blitzing. This also seems to foreshadow MORE of that inside leverage from the corners. Aye.

"Force shites down reason's back." - Ben Franklin

by hmills110 on Jul 7, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he's never done it in the NFL...and

we don’t know if he can yet. At his size it’s going to be a tuff transition.

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by TheK-man on Jul 7, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The kid's built like a brick shithouse.

I expect he’ll make the transition in that one sense. Whether he’s very convincing covering in space is another question.

"Force shites down reason's back." - Ben Franklin

by hmills110 on Jul 7, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get what yu are saying, but

Polamalu is what? 5’10"( I think)
Bob Sanders is 5’8"
  
I don’t have the time to dig deep in NFL history to prove that height has very little to do with
run stopping ability.

by BuoyWonder77 on Jul 7, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

by Aesthetist

Do you seen/remember ex Dallas Cowboy Bill Bates .

by 65tosspowertrap on Jul 7, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

by worc

That is ; why I am so excited ! Develope-ing from with-in ! 1) Picture Romeo Crennel doing a Coors commercial ! 2) Think positive thoughts { About Chiefs Defense , Offense , & Special teamers !

by 65tosspowertrap on Jul 7, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Develope Our Young D-Line

Romeo will develope our young but talented line…Our linebackers have talent and experience that will benefit from the developement of the d-line. Jackson and Dorsey are the keys and they showed progress at the end of last season. I am auxious to see it all come together in training camp…

Jerome

by easyjb on Jul 7, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

I think Crennel is being grossly overlooked here. Crennel is a Dline coach, its his bread and butter and he’s on of the best DC around. His reputation is on the line as much as anyone else and the pressure is on him as well so do you really think if he didn;t think he had enough to work with he would just say “oh well”? The development of the players we have especially at defensive end will make more of a difference then adding one or two new players to the mix.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 7, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's true

But what if they simply don’t have the talent? I think the ends do, but you can’t assume it’s going to happen until it actually does happen.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Jul 7, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Pioli or Crennel would completely overlook the situation if there wasn't enough talent there that they were comfortable with.

Its easy to assume that this isn’t the ideal front 7 and the one that will be starting for years to come. Of course theres room for improvement. But they clearly think enough of the talent that is there to allow it to continue to develop and work with it.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 7, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

They thought that about the O-Line this time last year.

Predictions:

1) Fans will feel just scads better from mid-to-end of the 2010 season.
2) During the 2021 season, Ryan Succop will become the Chiefs’ all-time leading scorer with 1469 points.

by Dove40 on Jul 7, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The oline was good the last 5-6 games of the year.

We had the players for a workable oline it just took time to get the chemistry needed and figure out who was going to play where. Was also a big change in scheme for alot of the guys across the line.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 7, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

Predictions:

1) Fans will feel just scads better from mid-to-end of the 2010 season.
2) During the 2021 season, Ryan Succop will become the Chiefs’ all-time leading scorer with 1469 points.

by Dove40 on Jul 7, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at what we've got on the line.

Glenn Dorsey: Solid player at End and the best DE in the draft the year we took him.
Tyson Jackson: Solid-but-still-developing player at End and the best 3-4 DE in the draft the year we took him.

Plug that hole between them with someone — Edwards (who may not be the best, but always manages to make the team and win the starter job), Smith (who had his best season at NT ever under Romeo), or Lokey (who is, as far as I know, untested at that spot but probably capable of playing it) — and I think we’re alright, particularly under Romeo’s watchful eye.

by JacinB on Jul 7, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

there is some talent there, for sure.

hopefully, the production numbers are better this year

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most all major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6?

by stagdsp on Jul 7, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care about the NT numbers

the NT stats show up in the OLB stats, ask all the premiere 3-4 OLB who pushed those sacks and pressures to them the NT.

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think this is a situation where the "team concept" seems to be coming into play.

I believe the Chiefs are thinking more about having guys fresh as much as possible as opposed to loading that spot with one outstanding player, especially at NT. If Smith is even as good as Ron Edwards, we will have ourselves a nice upgrade at that spot simply because they will be fresh in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line. It seemed to me that Edwards played very well in the first halves of games last year but fizzled out with nobody to spell him.

It seems as though the LB corps will be pretty much the same with packages of DJ/Belcher and Williams/Mays. I think this will be a defense where everybody will get their chances to make plays and utilize their skillset as opposed counting on a group of starters and being completely screwed when someone gets hurt.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 7, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only Hali and Albert worry me right now

an injury there would be something the Chiefs have no answer too.
Even Cassel goes down and Croyle can play. There I said it

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree completely

Either one of those guys goes down & we are screwed.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Jul 7, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you really disagree?

Coaching should help improve it but they did nothing significant this offseason to help an extremely poor run defense last season(as far as the front 7 is concerned). I’m not saying its a total negative but its true. They are banking on young guys getting better, other parts of the defense taking some pressure of them and improved coaching.

by dwil2009 on Jul 7, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

And I'm not doggin the Chiefs for this..

you cant accomplish everything you need in just a few offseasons. Insert Nose Tackle, ILB..among others.

by dwil2009 on Jul 7, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would agree dwil

That they did nothing in terms of replacing players, but are you saying that changing to Crennel as the DC will not have an impact?

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 7, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crennel

Could make the great players play outstanding, good players play great, average players play good, below average players play better, yada yada yada. Same for Weiss on his side of the ball. That’s what I’m banking on. Can’t go by last years stats theres just too much bullshit in there(defense being on the field most of the damn time could’ve led to a lot of bad defensive plays for 1) I’d rather have the coaches first then grab players

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed KCinIL

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

This is a real head scratcher, especially not addressing the NT situation.
It is almost as if when Troupe was drafted by Buffalo in the 2nd round, that Pioli said “Ah shit, my guy is gone” and didn’t draft anyone. I hate hearing how well Cam Thomas is looking in San Diego when he went in the 5th round.

I'm on a horse.

by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Speaking specifically about this upcoming season.

We of all people should know what kind of time it takes DL to develop especially in a new position.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 7, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

Dorsey was going to save us
Jackson was going to save us

They will but not in their rookie campaign.

Know if we had DT and Neil Smith flanking the rookie, that is a different equation, But
neither DT or Smith was all-world in their rookie year

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course Cam Thomas looks good

It’s OTA season. Let’s see how good he looks after being beaten up by double teams of NFL offensive linemen all day. KC has seen the guy up close & apparently don’t like his work ethic. Half the league runs the 3-4 now & nobody wanted the guy until the 5th round. That says a lot. He could turn his attitude around, but it’s not likely.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Jul 7, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Lokey looked good in OTAs too apparently so….

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 7, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

How does a NT not look like shit in OTA's?

Smith/NT outside the Phonebooth vs Clark Kent
Smith/NT inside the phonebooth vs Superman

Just a thought

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

by craig in calgary

Let ’s see how well Cam Thomas plays @ Arrowhead Stadium no MNF in Sept.

by 65tosspowertrap on Jul 7, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The key won't be how much better our run defense is . . .

but how much better the offense is. Last year was a double wammy, poor offense and poor defense. A good offense will automatically make the defense better, regardless of improvement.

by Dallas Chief on Jul 7, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Very True

increasing our Time of Posession by a couple of minutes in each game will reduce the number of plays our Defense is exposed on the field and gets tired.

One thing I remember Herm saying was that you wanted the Defense to play 44 Snaps a game and no more. I think we were in the 60’s most games last year. That is the offenses fault for not holding on to the ball.

by Skrappy on Jul 7, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting thought

44 snaps is like 10 defensive series if you stop the offense cold?
Most games have 8 series for an offense if you stop them cold.
Math is good, but Herm seemed to want to win with Heart

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got to figure

That Punts and Field Goals count as Special Teams, so 44 Plays could be quite a few. That is still probably aiming high.

Herm as a true “Student” of the Game, I really liked the Man, too bad he was not a great Head Coach…

by Skrappy on Jul 8, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll see

“I hate hearing how well Cam Thomas is looking in San Diego,”

Once they put pads on, I’ll take this a bit more seriously. Guy was unimpressive against NCAA talent level OL.

by Kane on Jul 7, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

There are a couple of reasons to expect improvement for the defense. First the offense should be better by not dropping the ball as much,. The drops put tremendous pressure on the defense and special teams, fatigue was an overlooked factor. Second, with the speed in the secondary improved, the linebackers can focus more on attacking the line of scrimmage. Third, there have been encouraging signs from players who have built up their bodies so they can be competitive in the NFL this year. This is apparent in our offseason for Loki and Belcher. Having fresh beef at the nose tackle is something to look forward to as Edwards was flat wore out after the first four games last year. Crennel l’s specialty coming into the NFL was coaching the d-line which should have an impact early, coupled with his coordinator experience which the players have come to appreciate already. So screw the media opinions and the other idiots who do not understand football, the CHIEFS will be much better this year.

by dubld on Jul 7, 2010 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Great thoughts

Especially about fatigue with the defense. They were actually doing well with 3 and outs, but many times they would have to come right back on the field…….

by Hail2DaChiefs on Jul 7, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think fatigue, particularly at the NT position is an overlooked factor. Just bringing in another competent NT so Edwards can get some rest will make a big difference.

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by Scaryclouds on Jul 7, 2010 12:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

absolutely

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most all major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6?

by stagdsp on Jul 7, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially with

Only one NT taking all the snaps last year…

by groundedchevy on Jul 7, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually Tyler was starting NT on the season

Edwards eventually won the job, since Tyler was traded to a 4-3 defense in Carolina, then a series of players were tried to assist Edwards in the NT spot. Smith is the next and then the talent we coached up in Garret and Lokey are next. Possibilities to be tried in the pre-season

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree dubld, although you and I are the only ones spouting about

how the better DBs make the LBs’ jobs easier, which translates to better run D.

They were way too easy to run against last year, and I don’t see how that’s changed.

He still needs shoes. I don’t see how taking that 50-lb rock off his back is going to help him walk any better.

"Force shites down reason's back." - Ben Franklin

by hmills110 on Jul 7, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've already pointed this out like 1000 times... but...

Shaun Smith is the X factor. The ONLY time he’s played as a 3-4 NT in his NFL career was with Crennel in CLE. And he thrived in that position. There’s a reason Smith was brought in, and I wouldn’t doubt it was from Crennel’s recommendation.

If the DEs improve and our NT is average for a 3-4 NT, then guess what? Our run defense will have improved into the mid range ranking for run D. So, it’s wait and see for now.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

true, he could be an "x factor"

i mentioned yesterday that he doesn’t seem to fit the mold… not a high character guy, or known for being a hard worker… so he MUST have some ability, or he wouldn’t be here, right?

I guess well know soon… he’ll either be a factor, or he’ll be cut, I would think

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most all major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6?

by stagdsp on Jul 7, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

He did punch Brady Quinn in the face. That earns points with me. Hopefully he doesn’t get into it with any of our guys though.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's hillarious

We want high character guys, unless we get guys with questionable character, then it’s ok because people don’t like Quinn for some reason. Quinn got in his face for dogging it in practice and he got punched because of it.

I'm on a horse.

by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Quinn said something about his Momma.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a huge difference between squabbles between

team mates and slapping women in public bars. Let’s see what kind of character Smith displays in KC.

"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"

by Aiken_Drum on Jul 7, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quinn slapped a female bar patron?

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing?

We added Crennel. Subtracted Krumrie. And hopefully added some guys on the Offense who can move the chains.

It certainly isn’t everything…but I wouldn’t call it “nothing”.

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Jul 7, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

by Scott B.

I wouldn’t call it " nothing " imho ; either ! Looks like progress to me ! That is the key .

by 65tosspowertrap on Jul 7, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cannot Believe that people do not think Romeo Can make a big difference

Just look at Denver’s Defense last year. They have quite a bit less talent then we do and Mike Nolan turned that ship around immediately. There is no reason to doubt that Crennel cannot and is not going to do the same. We might not fly up into the top ten, but there should be a marked improvement this year.

by Skrappy on Jul 7, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Couldn't agree more

One of the best 3-4 defensive scheme/coaches around. Sure he was maybe in over his head at a head coach, but that doesn’t diminish his position coaching ability. Him alone will make this team have leaps and bounds on defensive production. The last 2 d- coaches, Gun(running herm’s style) and Clancy “don’t blitz they might beat us” Pendegrast. Enough said! Go Chiefs!

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If memory serves me correctly

Mike Nolan didn’t have a very good run at head coach for the 49ers either….

by groundedchevy on Jul 7, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly, same with Herm

And I’m sure others. Throw Herm as a secondary coach and I’m sure he’d flourish. Nolan’s already makin a nice run again as D-Coach. We’re letting Romeo do what he knows he can do best, don’t have to worry about shit but the D! I likes!

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romeo "in over his head at head coach"?

It was Cleveland. So, I’ll forgive him that one.

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Jul 7, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never said he was

I said maybe that was a reason for his defense not being what it should be with having to deal with every aspect instead of just 1 side. Maybe it was Cleveland, could very well also be him. Just like Herm, I would pick him up in a heartbeat to be a secondary’s coach, but no way in hell he should get another head coaching gig!

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just joking.

Belichick couldn’t win in Cleveland either, though.

10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.

by Scott B. on Jul 7, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

OUCH!!!

No Sarcastic Font Here…

by Skrappy on Jul 7, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know how!

I don’t think anyone was being sarcastic anyway? Oh well. Go Chiefs!

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cleveland is just a Cursed Team...

I want to keep the Chiefs as far away from that as possible!

by Skrappy on Jul 8, 2010 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can't

We play em week 2 I think!

by KCinIL on Jul 8, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know this.....

If Berry turns out to be what everyone thinks he is than he will improve the run D leaps an bounds look at what a impact like Troy Palomino does to a teams run D. Oh and Dorsey, an Jackson will improve. as well as having a LB core that now knows where to be on the field. Romeo will help big time, last year i thought D scheme lost us atleast 5 games alone. I think we did things to help the Run D. maybe not adding a big name dline guy but i think we addressed it.

Would ya like a free NANAA!

by Jazzy Megalodon on Jul 7, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

we really need some new pictures.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 7, 2010 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Another factor to consider. We were losing alot last year.

Someone mentioned that the better offense will have an impact by holding the ball more and longet keeping the defense off the field which is a good point. But I think the bigger impact that a better offense has is keeping the game close. We were losing alot last year and in quite a few games by alot of points. What do teams do when they get a decent lead? They run the ball. Being more competitive and in more games should in itself lower the numbers.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 7, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Plus

With the secondary we have; it’s only intelligent to run instead of pass .

by BuoyWonder77 on Jul 7, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rex Ryan said the same thing with the Jets.

He reversed the concept that a good pass rush and run defense can make your DBs better by saying if you have great DBs it allows you to do more with your front seven and in turn get better pressure on the QB and better run defense because you have more guys you can dedicate to those things.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 7, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, and yet, Rex Ryan sports one of the best DB groups in the league, starting with Revis Island.

And did he stop there? Nope. Signed Cromartie to make the corners even BETTER. Big part of that 4-6 defense is singling-up on the perimeter, and letting the other 9 guys fly around.

"Force shites down reason's back." - Ben Franklin

by hmills110 on Jul 7, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

GB

Ding, Ding, and Ding

Rex Ryan is building the defenses of the 2000, teens.
From a 3-4 base with superior DB’s in depth.

His offenses suck, thus we have Haley as the HC and Weis as the OC

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Second

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

the source was right ... we DIDN'T do much to address a weak run defense

… and we’ve all known this for months … nothing new under then sun

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jul 7, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

How many 3 and out's did we have last year?

1 first down and punt? 2 minutes of offense, no field position. The defense can’t be on the field NEARLY as much as we were last year and expect to be even decent when the 3rd-4th qrt rolls around.

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Also

We were in many games until we gave up huge plays in the 4th qt

by groundedchevy on Jul 7, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Which is about the time the defense probably started wearing down. Not trying to give em excuses, but damn these guys ain’t soccer players! Is it August yet? When’s Madden? =)

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was about my thought.

how did D-side performance break down by quarter last year? If fatigue was a major factor, we could see the D improve by several spots just through better O-side play. I figure a few more on coverage, and a few more on top of that from better coaching from Crennel.

That could be a 10-place improvement on this year, which is nothing to sneeze at.

Needs for 2010:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Safety

by Bleedingredandgold on Jul 7, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joel and Chris

We need a quarter by quarter breakdown on the defense, stat! =)

by KCinIL on Jul 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't hurt to add

What the offense did before each defensive outting lol

by groundedchevy on Jul 7, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, so we didn't do anything in the front 7

to improve run D, so what. You can’t improve the whole entire team in one offseason. Had we drafted a d-lineman and a LB the stories would say the chiefs only have 1 playmaker on offense and a swiss cheese secondary, they didn’t improve those positions, BLAH BLAH. Point is when we add some pieces the front 7 and add a RT and maybe another interior lineman next year then what will they have to write?

by RamX21 on Jul 7, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I think with our offense..

being able to sustain an actual drive. Our defense won’t be as tired, so they will be able to get after the ball carrier in the fourth quarter. Also didn’t we have the caused the most three and outs, so if the offense gets better will be on the field a lot more.

by kcgiant06 on Jul 7, 2010 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, Yes we did force a lot of three and outs

welcome kcgiant06 :)

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 #1 Picks on the DL, 2 #1 Picks at LB.
Going to be good.

by dablueguy on Jul 7, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Chiefs had two options to fix the run d and pass rush

I think they determined that there was not any major players early in the draft that would make a huge difference in improving the Run-d or pass rush. So, the other option was to scheme to address this issue which in turn may put more pressure on the secondary (one-one coverage). So, the other option was to scack the secondary, so that we can blitz or do more with our players up front.
But, I was also the same guy that wanted a big time NT in a big way.

by vincent2668 on Jul 7, 2010 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

yes we might be stacked in the secondary

yes I wanted a NT anyway we could get one. The first apparently was easier to achieve

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

In year two of the overhaul you have to pick your poison, the Chiefs have

Some Defensive secondary pressure to help the front-5. Maybe a new scheme for the ILB’s that should be part of the back-6 anyway. Like the Big-12 became 10, the ILB’s should be part of both conferences, the Rushers and the secondary

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

my koolaid:

1) goodbye Clancy, hello Romeo….

2) better offense=better time of possession= less fatigue & lesser chance of opposing offenses getting in a groove.

3) better offense part 2= scoring more actually scoring= other teams not playing with lead, thus not being able to just run, run, run.

4) better coverage and returning on special teams= better offensive field positioning= better offense & worse starting field positioning for opposing offense.

5) Having a lead allows for more defensive risk= more blitzing= more confusion for opposing offense.

6) Working on secondary (Berry and Lewis)= no more extended drives, aka all those dang third down conversions for the opposing offenses= a lesser T.O.P & and less chances to run the ball!

7) Improved conditioning= duh, improved conditioning= not being gassed= not making as many mental mistakes & making more tackles.

8) Already One year in the 3-4 scheme= growing pains almost gone. also= Another year for our young DE’s.

9) Shaun Smith + Romeo in the past= almost pro bowl quality out of NT spot. Perhaps the same.

10) Charlie Weis isn’t going to call plays to kill our offense. I know, about half of these pertain to the offense. But I didn’t even mention a full year of Chambers, the addition of Urban, McCluster and Jones in the passing game. I didn’t mention switching to the zone blocking scheme on offense, adding Lilja over Smith nor Casey challenging Rudy. Nor did I mention adding a 1,000 yrd rusher.

No, offense isn’t defense, but a poor horrible, none-existent offense kills any hopes of a good defense. At the end of the day, all these small things will make a significant difference. Oh, and let’s not forget the last quarter of last season. That’s why we have hope.

If you’re Denver, do you want to play a team that killed your playoff hopes and then went on to add Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Berry, Thomas Jones, Dexter McCluster, Casey, and Ryan (Lilja)?? Hmm….

And at the end of the day, we don’t need to have the best run defense this year. We just need a better offense and run defense than our AFC West counterparts.

" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President

by chief Stevie_k on Jul 7, 2010 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Stopping the run is more attitude than any thing. It’s that simple.Being 300 lbs doesnt hurt, but you have to have the attitude that you can’t be moved and then go out and prove it. Wasn’t there last year hope it is this year!

by SamOlson on Jul 8, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

ppl say these things but they dont realize we're depending on drosey and jackson to improve

"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "

by BEEf_CHIEF on Jul 8, 2010 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

i think our run defense and pass d improves if we have DJ and Demorrio start

Demorrio is an above average tackler and same with DJ. I really think we have a better chance with them at both of the ILB spots. Plus Dj is one of the best pass d lbs in the league

by JC25FoMVP on Jul 24, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

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