Chiefs Training Camp: Offensive Line Could See Two New Starters
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2010 11:52 AM CDT
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PrintThe Chiefs will enter the 2010 version of training camp with the possibility of adding two new starters along the offensive line. Coming into the fold are right guard Ryan Lilja and center Casey Wiegmann.
New starters
You can pencil in Lilja at right guard. He lined up there throughout OTAs and there's no significant threat to take his job.
The Chiefs presumably didn't sign Weigmann to ride the bench so he'll get a fair shot to win the starting center job. That the Chiefs brought in a 37-year old center may not bode well for 2009's starter, Rudy Niswanger. The coaching staff likes Niswanger's work ethic so don't be that quick to write him off as the 2010 starter.
2010 draft pick Jon Asamoah and 2009 draft pick Colin Brown probably don't figure into the starting lineup unless there's an injury.
Staying the same
Branden Albert is probably the biggest question mark on the Chiefs offensive line only because he offers so much potential. By many accounts his rookie season was better than his second year so the Chiefs -- and his offensive line mates -- are interested in seeing how he comes along.
Brian Waters is Brian Waters. He'll be the man in 2010. However, the question for the Chiefs is becoming what will happen after 2010. It's not clear how long Waters continues to play -- or how long the Chiefs will keep him -- so it's important to note his replacement might be on the roster. Candidates for that job include Lilja moving over from the right side and rookie Jon Asamoah.
Right tackle is, for now, Ryan O'Callaghan. He ended the season as the starter and there are no indications anyone on the roster will take it from him in training camp.
Will the second half of the 2009 season matter?
The Chiefs ended the 2009 season on somewhat of a hot streak along the offensive line. Matt Cassel's sacks were down and Jamaal Charles was killing it in the run game so there are reasons to root for this unit to be kept intact.
At least three positions on the line appear secure. Lilja will be the right guard and center is the only true battle heading into camp.
For a position group that was criticized so much, the offensive line could potentially see four of the same starters. Like the defensive line, the Chiefs are hoping to see improvement from guys that are already in-house, like Albert, and O'Callaghan.
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Here are a few questions for you to answer in the comments:
- What will be the Chiefs starting offensive line to open the season?
- What will be the Chiefs starting offensive line to end the season?
- Which offensive lineman will be the biggest surprise in 2010?
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i wish they would look at a way to give more young guys a chance to win a position
Lilja,Asomoah,Brown all at RG leaves little to no room for any young guys to take a starting spot
Sounds like Waters and Lilja have those spots wrapped up
Injuries happen throughout the course of the year so it’s very possible some of those guys see some time.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a possibility
A lot of these guys can play multiple positions so without having seen them line up, it’s hard to tell who goes where.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the versatility of the middle of the line
Niswanger, Asomoah & Waters can all play either G or C. Combined with Wegman & Lilja hopefully the middle of the line will be solid for the entire season.
I do hope that losing Wade Smith doesn’t come back to haunt the team though.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Waters wasn't great last year, would like to see some competition for him
Lilja’s played LG in Indy and we moved him for the sake of Waters
we put all our young guys at RG for the sake of Waters.
Waters better step up
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I'm saying
Cuz what if, WHAT IF, Waters stats breaking down. And not a slow break either. How do you deal with taking him out of the lineup. That could be a mess in itself.
Waters is a Pro Bowl Quality Guard every year.
Where is your data coming from. IMO, his position is the only rock solid one on the whole line. Everything else is okay, but a question mark all the same.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Only when he had other Pro Bowlers on the line with him.
And last year he was terrible.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Not Pro Bowlers
Hall of Famers! I will say I know it’s gotta be rough going from Shields n Roaf to what we have now, but still.
true statement
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
How was he terrible exactly?
I’m not arguing with you. I just want to better understand your position.
Have you ever heard the old saying, “It’s hard to fly like an eagle when you’re surrounded by turkeys?”
Well, tell me who he had last year that was an “eagle” lined up with him.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Waters got smoked a lot last year
i saw guys lineup 1-on-1 and go by him with Waters barely even getting a hand on them
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
RE: Bewsaf OL Analysis from last year...
…Showed that Waters was consistent and reliable. I think its a little early to start calling him over the hill. Also, Waters played through an injury last year that would’ve sidelined alot of players. Look for him to bounce back big this year…
Certainly agree though, that we need depth on the line — especially at T. I’m more worried about injuries at T than I am at G or C.
apparently Pioli agrees
Albert – no competition
Waters – no Competition
O’callaghan – no competition
we are going into the season with an Oline that is very similar to last year’s suckfest
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
O'Call-no competition?
uhh Richardson? Ndukwe? I think both of them are going to be pushing all year long. Waters could be flipped out with Lilja in a heartbeat if they deem he isnt up to par, and we always have Colin Brown and Asamoah there to push him.
Albert is the only one where there is no competititon.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
i would classify Ndukwe as no competition
maybe Richardson will improve but he couldn’t even get on the field last year when we were rotating a different Olineman in every game.
how about “No significant competition” …. make you feel better?
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
O-line Season Review
Here is the o-line season review that Bewsaf did for those who want to take a look at it. Waters had a few issues last year, but he also got the most line awards. I think its safe to say that he was one of the best on the line last season.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/1/12/1239165/breaking-down-the-o-line-season
Well said Home skillet
and Chiefs are not going very far with this O-Line. People say they improved over the 2nd half of 2009, but I went back and watched the games. The only thing they improved at was perhaps collectively making a loud beer fart in a whirlwind but that’s about it.
by brdempsey69 on Jul 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say Waters has competition from Lilja.
Lilja would be able to slide into Waters spot if he is not getting it done. Lilja has the game time there, and then the young guys can battle it out on the right side.
Seriously.
I give up on this conversation. You are obviously allowed to see some special footage that I’m not allowed to see. Where exactly do you get the camera angle that focuses solely on the left guard position to make that assessment?
I give up. You win I guess because I don’t wish to argue.
I respect your opinion.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, ARROWHEADSHANE...you just explained the point I was making.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
I do agree with you
that Waters is going to look a whole lot better with pro bowlers lined up with him. Who wouldn’t?
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
But the best player is supposed to make other players better around him
On any position. I’m not saying he’s terrible but last year was terrible compared to his stats, which causes people to start thinkin what’s up. I think he’s starting to wind down, but then again this “re-boost” to the team to make him pick it up a notch. Maybe last year offseason he had a different mindset than this year, and it lights bigger fire.
Young guys getting a chance? Who are you, Herm Edwards? I want the best line on the field from the beginning. The Chiefs do not need to try guys out. If a young guy is better than Waters or Lilja, the coaches will know. Other than the RT, the Chiefs have the best line in place. Position contests are more rare than you think and here there is no need to be a contest.
by squirrelmasterz on Jul 28, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
please ... i tried being nice to Waters
but since you brought it up….
Waters played like stank ass last year and we are just giving him his same ol’ spot this year
Lilja should be at LG right now (position he played in Indy)
Waters should be competing for a spot at Center/RG/cut
Albert – Lilja – Waters – Asomoah – O’callaghan
Albert – Lilja – Wiegmann – Waters – O’callaghan
Albert – Lilja – Wiegmann – Asomoah – O’callaghan
Waters struggled with speed last year and moving to center or RG would help him face less speed. His experience would hold value with the line calls at center and might keep Niswanger out of the lineup(which is a good thing).
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude
How can you be so harsh on Waters? He’s one of the top guards in the NFL and the man of the year to boot.
Are you watching coaches film that the rest of us are not able to see? What are you basing your “stank ass” comment on?
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Waters but what is the relevance of him being Man of the Year? Can he block or not?
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You are correct from an on-the-field standpoint.
I should have left that out.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why in my earlier post
If he does break down and we have to contemplate sitting down this guy, gonna be a very not needed distraction around there!
Part of the criteria for MotY
Is being a good player on the field as well.
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by Scaryclouds on Jul 28, 2010 3:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i base it on watching the game last year
i tried to be nice until someone popped up talking about how good Waters was
this isn’t a judgement on Waters past play or character or how nice he is
this about how he blocked last year
everyone cross your fingers because or Oline is pretty much the same this year … let’s hope we can “coach them up”
just like the defensive front 7
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen to that.
I think the Defensive front 7 is our downfall. I also believe we will be talking about it come draft time in 2011.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Defensive front 7 is a huge concern
and hopefully with the weapons we have on Offense now, our OLine wont look as bad, hopefully.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
1. Offense gets a lead (for a change)
2. Other team passes more
3. Berry to the house!
cross your fingers.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we can keep the D off the field a little more this year.
That might help.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
yea really that would help alot.
instead of them being on the field 58:00 minutes of the game.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
What is sad...
Is we have 4 first round picks in that front 7
by groundedchevy on Jul 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I know!!! Kills me.
I think that’s why we skipped it in the draft. Gun shy maybe?
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly believe
Dorsey will be a complete beast in this league for a long time. I also think that TJ will be a very solid started for many years. I think we are a NT away from having a very good front 7….I think our starters as a whole (offense and defense) are quality NFL starters. I would have said that the last two years. Problem is most of them are very young and we have no depth behind them.
by groundedchevy on Jul 28, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The most comprehensive and objective measure
Of the o-line’s and Brian Water’s play last year was Bewasrf (sp?) line breakdown posts. There is nothing in those posts that suggest Water played terrible last year. His year was off relative to his usual level of play, but he is still a good guard by NFL standards.
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by Scaryclouds on Jul 28, 2010 3:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There were gaps in Bewsaf's coverage, but yeah. Waters was getting it done more consistently
by Bewsaf’s measure.
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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Home Slice ... I completely disagree with you
totally and entirely … dude, you talk about Waters being at the end yet you have Weigmann starting at Center, and he’s like 3 years OLDER
Albert – Waters – Rudy/Casey – Lilja – O’Call
take that to the bank
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everyone is entitled to their opinion
btw – wiegmann at center is not my 1st,2nd or 3rd choice … i was merely showing the options.
Albert,Lilja,Waters,Asomoah,O’callaghan would probably be my 1st choice
Hopefully:
LT Albert returns to 1st year form
LG Lilja protects cassel ala Payton Manning
Center Waters moves to a position where his smarts and experience is used to it’s max and where speed is less important than leverage and power.
RG Asomoah explodes onto the scene to takeover the RG position
RT O’callaghan continues to develop and turns into a John Tait-ish type right tackle. Not fast enough for LT but decent on the right side.
waves my magic wand and makes it so
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with your negativity on Waters. But your front 5 makes mucho sense.
Waters was the most consistent lineman last season, but he DID have some pretty bad games. He reached and grabbed a lot when his leg injury was slowing him down. And there were some (what I considered) game-turning unforced errors (false starts) and holds that called back good plays. Those games were my absolute low points of the season, when the best part of the OL (Albert included) seemed to be torpedoing the team.
That being said, Waters was projected as a C early in his career. Analysts said this was probably where he’d end up his last couple years in the league.
Lilja is a fine ZB LG. Not sure about counting on him on the right side.
Asamoah will be a fine RG. Might be better to have T-Jax practice against the veteran Lilja to start out camp, just to give Jackson a more experienced guy to sharpen his claws on. But I think Asamoah will eventually be the best guy for RG.
And what about Niswanger? Maybe HE turns out to be a very good RG, where his height won’t be as big a handicap.
I think Richardson has upside from reports on him. I think Ndukwe has better feet than folks around here seem to think. A year in the program and a year removed from any significant injury, and Ndukwe may surprise a lot of us.
It seemed odd to me that Ndukwe didn’t play much G last season, with a whole season of solid performance at RG under his belt before coming to KC. But they list him as a tackle and seem to think he’s at least backup-grade. Until proven otherwise, lots of us are going to be skeptical. I think struggling in the “clean bill of health” department was what hurt Ndukwe on a Miami team that threw a lot of talent at the interior line, after Ndukwe missed (most of?) the previous season due to injury.
I happened to still have an Indy game on DVR before I switched to HD, and I watched it, with an eye on Lilja. It seemed like he did a pretty good job in last year’s playoffs, but he’s more of a stretch/flex/outside-zone play kind of guy, which I think Indy is moving away from and KC is wanting to run more. I think KC was fortunate to land him, with Indy looking to create a more stationary pocket for the slowing Peyton Manning.
With a mobile QB and a scary speed RB, Lilja will be a good fit, here, because of his activity level (ability to get to the 2nd level) and gym rat reputation.
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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
by hmills110 on Jul 28, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i really hope
that Weigmann can give us one good year, and next year we can draft someone at Center, hopefully Asamoah and Brown will be ready and we can focus on other areas.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Gretz has said on more than one occasion
that he thinks Niswanger will be the starter.
Who was 1st team at OTAs?
I thought they went back & forth between the two
I do remember Haley saying that he was switching up the matchups on both sides of the line so guys didn’t get too comfortable against the same player.
Doesn’t Wegman have a long streak of starts, going back several seasons? Based on that I’d assume that he expects to be the starter.
Predictions:
This year will be better
I'm just hoping one or the other is worth a shit...
I like Casey. I hope he’s got something left to give us this year.
I like Rudy, too. He’s just not very good.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Just to add...
On the line, you’re pretty much only as good as the guy(s) next to you. So, maybe that will help.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
Scott, amen to that ... with Lilja at RG Rudy will be improved ... that and coached up by Weigmann
granted Weigmann might win the job outright, but I’d not be at all shocked to see Weigmann as depth/asst coach kind of thing
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I have met Rudy.
Gotta love the guy. Super nice. Super smart. Problem is he’s got more heart than talent and he’s huge for a center. All I could think while I was talking to him was, “how the hell can the QB see over this guy?”
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
ive heard people on here talk about switching him back to Guard where he would be more suited
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
I've heard it too.
I think it’s logical. But we have never seen it happen. Coaches gotta know something we don’t.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
Go Chiefs!
by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jul 28, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm.
Niswanger has the early lead, dont count Wiegmann out though, he is an excellent zone blocking center, the same scheme we run, which is why he is in KC. He became expendable in Denver which is changing to a man blocking scheme. I think Niswanger has to elevate his game quite a bit to hang onto his job as the starter. It is going to be a battle to watch for sure.
Old guys rule...yeah you might have youth and talent on your side...but I have time and treachery...
the thought of having Niswanger as our starting center this year upsets my stomach
many times last year Niswanger couldn’t even slow his man down enough to keep him from being in Cassel’s fast on the 5th step of a 5-step drop.
7-steps usually got Cassel killed because the middle of our Oline was so weak
urg ……
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
that is why
Im hopeful that Weigmann can give us one good year as a final farewell.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
They were back and forth
It’ll be an interesting one.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not so fast
Lilja has never started a game in the league @ RG and Weigmann is no spring chicken. We all thought we found a stopgap last year with an over-the-hill aged veteran in Mike Goff and boy that turned out so well. So while we have two apparent upgrades we still have question marks surronding the same positions we did last year. One thing for certain is we have more depth this year and with that said I would not rule out my boy Duke Nuke em’ (Ndukwe) at RG.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jul 28, 2010 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
I don't think Goff is the same as Lija
If Peyton didn’t want him gone that says a little about his abilities. I could be wrong but LG RG isn’t too big a difference is it?
Good points re: Mike Goff effect
Goff was a little older and clearly washed up when he started with the Chiefs. Lilja is younger but had some injury issues. Good points here.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Y'all are crazy
I’m not drawing parallel’s to Lilja & Goff (though they played the same position), I was drawing a connection to Weigmann & Goff who both are veteran’s over-the-hill. What was being said about Lilja is he’ll be playing out of position. If any connection is made to Lilja it should be Adrian Jones who also was moved out of position to play RG and we saw how that transformation worked wonders. I like Asomoah in this year’s starting lineup. If he’s the future (which undoubtedly he is), start him now with a trial by fire his rookie season and by next year he should be all that more prepared.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That might accelerate Asamoah's development, but not be the best thing for the team in SEPT/OCT.
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"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Flagged...for bringing up Mike Goof.
And no, that’s not a typo.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
double flagged....
personal foul and immediate ejection from the message board…..subsequent disiplinary action to be taken by the commish.
I think B.Albert
will be the biggest suprise,although he shouldn’t be.His 1st year he came into the NFL as a starting guard in college & made a great transition to LT.His 2nd. year they made him lose weight & changed the blocking scheme.By the 2nd. half of the season he was playing really well.8 games & he got used to less weight & a different scheme.Why do people say his 2nd. year wasn’t that good?He will be the top OL on the chiefs & possibly 1 of the better ones in the NFL.
John Soellner
With the line crumpling from C to RT, teams could blow the whole line up by overloading the weak side.
And I think Albert and Waters faced quite a lot of that, especially early in the season. I think that Charles’ confusion in those overload situations had a lot to do with why he didn’t start earlier. Charles got better at his blitz pickups and the right side of the line improving made a big difference to the offense.
Trouble with the OL improvements was they came so late that it set back the development of Cassel-to-receiver connections. To MY eye, things were just starting to settle down at the end of the season, but the execution by the skill players was still discombobulated after most of a season’s worth of disadvantageous situations.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
Don't know why...maybe it's because the guy's a beast, and from MO...
…but I’m really interested in seeing what Colin Brown can do.
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My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
same here
I know he is a guard but if he can become the RT of the future, with him being so big, I think that would be a huge plus.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Good point
Hopefully, someone will surprise us all this year.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
i dont
I want to see Asamoah on the inside for years to come. Also wouldnt mind seeing Brown there but we really need a lock down RT and even though OCall is fine by me for right now, we are still in a position to upgrade there.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Why not Asamoah?
I saw the guy play quite a few times. He’s got talent. I don’t want them to just throw him in there, I hope be beats somebody out. Be great to have a young stud in the middle of the line.
huh?
I mean’t I dont want Asamoah anywhere but the inside. I would like to see Colin Brown try and make a run at RT.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
why?
If our line was so bad last year why was he a backup?
by groundedchevy on Jul 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
because Wade is a better Center than Niswanger
and is probably better than Wiegmann(at his age)
keeping Wade would of been a better idea than bringing in Wiegmann imo
Wiegmann has had trouble keeping his weight up for most of his career
Wade was actually decent last year … better than any of our other interior guys.
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I will give you that
Wade Smith should be the Center this year.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
I don't don't understand
If Wade Smith was so much better why didn’t he win the job last year?
by groundedchevy on Jul 28, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
which job?
he had to swing between so many positions it was hard for him to stay at one and lock it down.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Oh come on...
If he was better than our starters then he should have won a starting job…
by groundedchevy on Jul 29, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
We wanted to
but Houston overpaid. Gotta draw your line in the sand somewhere.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jul 28, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Scratchin' my head on that one.
I’d think that money was the least of the issues. Chiefs were rich and under-talented. Thinking they had more talent, already, or were going to GET more talent than Smith? If the KC line struggles and Alleman and Smith have Pro Bowl seasons, I’ll be pissed.
"I ain't lyin' 'bout nothin'."
"Oh? So what exactly are you lying about?"
btw FootballFocus has Brian Waters ranked
as the 53rd(out of 83) offensive guards based on last year’s stats
PFF is worse than useless
It’s commendable that they try at all, but there’s no way they can know the various assignments that each player has on each play…particularly for linemen.
Predictions:
This year will be better
better than using "kool-aid" as the barometer
by Home skillet on Jul 28, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
haha not sure I agree with your post above but this one was great
by groundedchevy on Jul 28, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
give me till first game vs Chargers and I'll tell you EXACTLY who's gonna be where on that line
… because I’m just that good!
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Unless another player is acquired when
teams start cutting down rosters, the starting o-line will be Albert, Waters, Wiegmann, Lilja, and O’Callaghan. Barring injuries or the addition of players who fall into our laps, the same lineup will probably last throughout the season.
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