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Lions Writer Predicts The Price Tag On Chiefs Safety Jarrad Page

Chiefs safety Jarrad Page is rumored to be available for the right price (as all players are, I suppose) because he has publicly requested a trade and hasn't signed his restricted free agent tender.

Lions writer Tim Twentyman of the Detroit News says there's "no doubt" the Lions are offering a late-round pick but predicts the Chiefs are going to hold out until that draft pick increases.

The Chiefs are hoping for a third- or fourth-round pick (good luck), but will probably settle for a fifth-rounder. The Lions will try hard to get Page for a sixth or seventh-round pick, but should consider pulling the trigger for a fifth-rounder.

With Kendrick Lewis and Jon McGraw in place at free safety, I think the Chiefs should be happy with a fifth round pick but it's understandable that they would attempt to pry a higher pick out of the Lions or other interested teams.

As I've said before, the Chiefs best move may be hanging onto Page until the last possible moment (if they're going to trade him). A training camp injury would quickly increase his value or waiting until closer to Sept. 12 could force the Lions hand out of desperation.

So, a fifth round pick? Agree? Disagree?

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I think a 5th would be fair

but that being said hes worth more to us right now so it would have to be a greater pick. I know he hasnt signed his tender but Im not comfortable with McGraw or 2 rookies starting.

by tomahawk44 on Jul 22, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

disagree on 5th

agree on holding onto him. Hopefully he gets into camp, and E. Thomas pulls him to the side and gets his head right. If all attempts fail, let him sit until an injury occurs and we can get more from him.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Jul 22, 2010 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

That'd be a great story...

…but I don’t think it will happen.

Lions will try for a 6th or 7th, Chiefs will try for a 3rd or 4th. So I say 5th is the meeting ground here. So if the Lions or Chiefs offer up a 5th, I say take it. The guy doesn’t want to be here, he’s already taken toward the attitude of someone who won’t fit with this team and the mentality they’re trying to set. He’s doing no one any good right now (including himself). I don’t think he or a coach is going to magically change his mind 180 degrees here. It’s possible, but unlikely. if we can get a 5th, hell, do it.

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My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:

1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.

by jbj8609 on Jul 22, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is no wat page will be playing for the Chiefs

We eventually will trade him. i’m hoping for a fourth but a fifth would be about fair

Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010

by trentchiefsfan on Jul 22, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree on a 5th.

He does’nt want to be here, he seems injury prone of late & he must have a dislike for Haley. He signs his tender & we ship him to Detroit.

However, I think we should wait a while longer.

Scott Pioli's star will shine in 2010.
Win or lose, the Chiefs scare the bejesus of all opponents in 2010

by ChiefsChance on Jul 22, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

5th is pretty HIGH for an average player coming off an injury last season. If a 6th rounder falls the Chiefs way…….. better grab it. Disgruntelled players are no good for ANY team.
The Lions have added a lot of proven talent to the Defense that will most definitely take some pressure off the safeties. I’m not so sure Page is the answer to their roster anyway.

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Well of course YOU would want him for a 6th.

You’re just a tad biased :)

I’d say a 4th or nothing. He’s not taking roster space, he’s just sitting at home with the Chiefs owning his rights. He’s in no position to barter. The ball is in the Chiefs court, I say they hold out for a decent pick.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep nailed it

he can sit in LA with his brother and watch the games for all I care. Unless we get what we want for him, no reason for the Chiefs to dump players like the Royals and get nothing in return. The main thing is Page is a starter, and we need a starter like pick in return.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Jul 22, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well he certainly covered his bases:

His quote can be summarized like this:

“Page could go for a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, or 7th round draft pick. I’m going to play the median and say a deal should go for a 5th.”

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

my thinking is a 5th conditional to 4th or 3rd depending on starts, stats, INTs, tackles, etc etc ad nauseum

… and just guessing that’s about how it will end up, Lions or whomever else it is … agree also keep him until near end of preseason, injury to someone somewhere is POSSIBLE thought not something to count on, but that COULD well increase his “value” at least marginally

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by upamtn on Jul 22, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

No way should we give him up for a 5th

He is a starter and he still has some upside. See Pollard, Bernard.

They should be asking for a 3rd.

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by Patrick Allen on Jul 22, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

And if they have to settle for a 4th then so be it.

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by Patrick Allen on Jul 22, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

see Pollard, Benard

what did we get for him again?

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 22, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

We got a spot for Eric Berry to start

I think a lot of the reason Pollard was outright cut is because the SS position is dying away.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tell that to Polamalu.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could easily be classified as a FS

as much as he does and is on the field.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing

Which is my point.

He left and played better than he ever did for the Chiefs.

Which is why I think they shouldn’t give up Page for a 5th.

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by Patrick Allen on Jul 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think chicks love chiefs point

Is that Pollard shows that Page may not be worth as much as we think he is. The Chiefs obviously tried to shop him around and didn’t get any biters.

by Joel Thorman on Jul 22, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

But unlike Page

Pollard was under contract, and wasn’t a FA or RFA.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

What ever his tender is that is what we should get

We can hold on to him without any problem . some one gets hurt they know what we want .

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by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Jul 22, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's a 2nd... and there's no way in hell KC will get that

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Jul 22, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't remember

What was his injury that ended his year last season?…..Is there any chance he’s had lingering complications realted to recovery and that is the reason he was absent this off-season?

by skillet on Jul 22, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

by skillet

I read Page had a calf injury & his injury is completely healed .

by 65tosspowertrap on Jul 22, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well we couldn't get a 7th for Pollard...right?

What makes anyone think we’ll get a 4th or 5th for a lesser player at the same position (not really, but basically the same)

take a 6th or a 7th and run with it….it’s more than we got for Pollard and that should be viewed as a victory for Pioli.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 22, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Teams would trade for Pollard

Cause they had a hunch Pioli was going to cut him. Which he did. So he could be had for free. Pioi set a bad example by that move and he can’t do it again.

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by Patrick Allen on Jul 22, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

sooooo

you think teams won’t call his bluff again? No way..and if they will…they sure as hell aren’t going to give up a 3rd or 4th or 5th when they could have had a better player last year for much less.

By the way…Page isn’t that good…he’s alright, sure…but he also coming off an IR’d season

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 22, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

If anything

It’s more obvious that Page won’t be playing for the Chiefs than Pollard last year.

by Joel Thorman on Jul 22, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was quite the shock when we let Pollard go...

If we let Page go….nobody would be that shocked….except the guys that think we are getting a 3rd for him.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 22, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

thus the reason we wont let him go

everyone expects it this year.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Jul 22, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

But the fact remains...

We couldn’t even get a 7th for Pollard last year and he wasn’t expected (at least by the fans) to get released…Now we have another problem safety who wants out, hasn’t signed his contract and everyone expects to be released or traded, or at the very least not on the team…..It’s hard to imagine anyone offering anything significant for him, considering again, imo, he really isn’t that great to begin with and is coming off an injury shortened season. Not to mention he could just sign his tender, which is more than fair money for a 7th round pick coming off a shortened season, so he kind of looks like a dumb shit in this whole mess.

My new prediction is that he signs his tender right before training camp and starts along side Berry this year. Just becuase that seems the least likely at the moment.

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 22, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say there are a decent amount of folks who don't know what we'll do.

There’s a possibility Page could be on the roster at some point during the 2010 season. Especially if Pioli wants to keep other GMs on their toes. it’s not a given that we’re letting him go for free. I think, and I could be wrong, that under the RFA tender, if he’s not signed, he’s not counting against the 53.

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My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:

1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.

by jbj8609 on Jul 22, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

…should have read the rest of your post… :p

http://twitter.com/JonVoightsCar

My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:

1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.

by jbj8609 on Jul 22, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

the ball is fully in our court and Page is going to have to sign and play. He isn’t going anywhere unless its a huge plus for us in the deal.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Jul 22, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

But rumor has it they shopped Pollard around prior to cutting him.

So maybe we didn’t expect it as fans, but perhaps the rest of the league did, especially for him to have remained unsigned for about 3 weeks. He was coming off a pretty career year as well, that in 13 games he trumped in Houston.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering he was left to hang out and dry

and he’s a strong safety… sorta. He was the best tackler for the Chiefs, which wasn’t saying much,lol

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

I think he signs his tender just before camp. Not sure pioli gets his price. Maybe next offseason.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 22, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

What makes anyone think we’ll get a 4th or 5th for a lesser player at the same position (not really, but basically the same)

What is it about their stats, gameplay, or anything else that makes you think Page is a lesser player than Pollard? They were drafted on the same day, and Page started making plays immediately – and Page won his job from Greg Wesley while Pollard couldn’t beat out Sammie Knight (who, at that point, was almost as slow as Mike Brown was last season).

Before his injury last season Page had more INT’s than any other safety drafted in 2006.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 22, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the writers estimations of what the offer/asking price is

But I say 4th or bust. Page will only end up hurting himself if he refuses to sign/play, and as far as I know, if he doesn’t sign, he doesn’t count against the 53-man roster, so he really won’t be hurting the team if he’s not traded.

I look at it like this: Yes, value could be gotten out of him with any round pick (4,5,6,7, whatever), but as a proven commodity, he’s worth more on the team than an unproven late pick. Especially with all the declarations of sophomores/juniors this past draft. Talent next year will likely be a bit thin.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

OK………. so I’ll call up Lewland………… Offer is take a 6th and Lions will throw in some Kool-Aid too ;)

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Nah.

We’re overstocked on Kool-Aid as it is.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boy……… U Chief Fans are a TOUGH sell !!!! LOL
C’mon………. I’ve been dying with the Lions for over 40 years now….cut them some slack.
Coming off an 0-16 and 2-14 record….. U THINK u could throw us a bone ???

My prediction is this : NOTHING will happen until training camp starts cuz Lions will see what other options are out there. I agree KC should keep him….. he’s just being pissy cuz Berry will steal some of his thunder.

What positions do U guys really need ? Must be something… 4-12 isn’t exactly Fun for anyone.

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Hmmm...

I hear you have a decent DT that got pushed to 2nd string because of Suh.

Give us him and a 7th and we might have a deal. lol.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Sammie ? He will provide breathers for Suh after he crushes a few players….LOL

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well Page is a starting caliber safety...

It’s gotta be give and take.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think he is being pissy because of Berry

he was very happy and tweeted numerous times about how awesome our secondary is going to be. There seems to be something else to this story, and more than likely none of us will never know because of Arrowhead’s tight security.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Jul 22, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

$$$$$$$$$$$$

He thinks he deserves more than what he was offered. He wants a long term deal, but his history shows that he’s not all that spectacular, and he’s injury prone to boot. He needs to accept his 2 million dollar tender, get to camp and PROVE that he deserves a better, more long term deal.

He’s not handling his negotiations well at all, and Pioli has his nuts in a vice. My guess is that he’ll reluctantly sign his tender just before week 1, then gradually get worked back into the starting line up.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

I see him playing for us next year. I think he will sign hopefully earlier than your prediction and try to prove his worth.

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Jul 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

He’s looking for a new contract would be my guess. Like many players. Can’t blame them cuz look at these TOTALLY ridiculous salaries these rookies are signing for and they haven’t even taken a snap in the NFL yet. That’s one of our biggest gripe / topics on MLive.
If any of U NFL lovers wish to blog on the Lions site…. we would love to hear some new fresh comments.

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

That hardly happens anymore in the NFL.

Last one I can think of was Denver trading Clinton Portis to WAS for Champ Bailey in 2003. Seems like it maybe happened again this year during the draft, but I can’t remember? 9 times out of 10 a teams wants draft picks for their player (which can be traded for another player), but player-for-player transactions are pretty rare in the NFL, anymore.

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My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:

1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.

by jbj8609 on Jul 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

@ OCCHIEF2U

Ball hawking Safeties that are proven ball hawks at the NFL level don’t just show up on the open market all the time.

Thanks !!! I had him for a 6th rounder until U spouted off !!!! GRRRRRRRRR

LOL

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

A

Jarrad Page 85tackles 63solo 22assists 0.0sacks —safety 16passes defended 4INT 0TD
Ed Reed ……. 41 ………..34…….. 7…………..1.0…………0 ……..25………………9………2

If Ed Reed is the ultimate comparison who would fetch a 1st round pick as compensation, then I think Page is worth a 4th, maybe 5th. Stats are from ’08

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed!

No less then a 4th…. Either keep him, or hold out until a 4th or better…

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by devself1 on Jul 22, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

And…………. what happened in 09 ???

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

You don't need to worry about that

just pony up a 4th and we’ll call it square, mmk?

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL………….. we need CB’s in the 1st-2nd-3rd-and 4th in 2011 :)

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dont you mean

1,2,3,5 rounds?

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

5th and throw in Derrick ??? LOL

by Scotty Felton on Jul 22, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't forget it is the Lions.

A 5th from the lions is really not much different than 4th from the colts.

Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.

by Idahochief on Jul 22, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like the perfect setting for a Conditional pick

Say it’s a 6th round pick, that would escalate up to a 5th or 4th depending on playing time & performance.

That said, I’d rather see Page in training camp & on the roster. He’s an average FS at worst.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on Jul 22, 2010 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Ahhhh....

Employee of the Month was from my department this month. We just got Gates BBQ catered in for his celebratory lunch.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

lucky

Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.

by jrcnc on Jul 22, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

KEEP HIM

KEEO PAGE AS LONG AS POSSILBE IF WE GET A 3RD ROUND PICK THEN TRADE HIM……BUT HE HAS OPTIONS HERE. IF HE WANTS TO HOLD THEN HE IS SCREWED HE WILL NOT GET A BIG CONTRACT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE HE WILL NOT HAVE PLAYED FOR 2YRS. HE NEEDS TO SIGN HIS TENDER GET TO CAMP WORK HIS TAIL OFF AND HOPE FOR HIS BIG CONTRACT NEXT SEASON. HE NEEDS TO STOP ACTING LIKE A WINE BAG AND PLAY SOME DAMN FOOTBALL

by CHIEFSFREAK23 on Jul 22, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Caps lock dude.

Push it.

"Reach for new elevation; and see just how high we can go. Full blown determination; will take us further than we know. My own anticipation; keeps the fire from burning out, It's time for domination... no one can ever take us down" - Pillar - "For the Love of the Game"

by Red N Gold Beast on Jul 22, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

by MtHammer on Jul 22, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s almost as bad as the sarcasm font.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
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by JComp11 on Jul 22, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh snap!

Seriously though, I hate the sarcasm font. I almost considered not using it here but it’s gotten to the point that people on AP are so hooked on it that no one even considers the possibility that you might be joking if you don’t use it.

by MtHammer on Jul 22, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah it’s sad that people need to see a different font to understand sarcasm. There are times when it’s not clear just because it’s in writing, but most of the time it is pretty obvious, or would be with a little thinking.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Jul 22, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

5th would be a fair trade for both sides. How about the Lions give us a 6th, that could escalate to a 4th with playing time and/or team incentives? That would be even fairer.

by dablueguy on Jul 22, 2010 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

We would all love a 3rd or a 4th but if the 5th is there take it and run with it.

Part of the problem here I’m betting is Kendrick Lewis. Page is no dummy, the Chiefs just spent a 5th round pick on a guy with 3rd/4th round talent(had he run a better 40). So chances are he isn’t the future at this position anyway unless he came out and really exploded for a great season this year.

Having said that if Lewis is the future at that position and we spent a 5th(and already got good value there) then I don’t see a problem trading out 7th round safety to get that 5th round pick back.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 22, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

So by your logic

Tom Brady is only worth a 4th round pick, and Matt Cassel is only worth a 5th because of where they were drafted?
I really hope I’m understanding your logic here incorrectly.

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope but Pages play isn't Bradys or Cassels

His value is right around a 5th rounder right now and we can get back the 5th rounder we used to replace him.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 22, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

truth be told

his value is only as high as the market is willing to pay. I’m guessing it’ll end up being a 5th if a deal happens, and I’ll be happy with turning a productive 7th round pick into a 5th, but still… $1 is worth more than a $1 later…

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

truth be told his value is only as high as the market is willing to pay.

Unless you include what pick would have to be used to get a replacement player at the same level.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Jul 22, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any pick could flame out no matter where they were selected though

and you could use that same argument for “he was found in the 7th, so he’s worth a 7th.”

If you can sack groceries, you can sack a QB... right?
The kool-aid is now Berry flavored.

by IISaiNtII on Jul 22, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand. But if Page is playing at the level of an average 3rd round safety but he could only draw a 5th round pick in a trade, his value a 3rd rounder because that is what it would take to replace his the level he plays at. Hard to explain, but basically, if he stays he is worth more than what he could draw in a trade.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Jul 22, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with GB...

IF the Chiefs can get a 5th back, and let Lewis start… it’s a good deal.

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Jul 22, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lions could have some competition with the Ravens.

With Ed Reed hurt and another DB suspended, maybe the Ravens are in play to acquire Page.

by ChiefsNfl on Jul 22, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope

Paige sits on the sideline of a losing team next year, while the chiefs make the playoffs. Youth is wasted on the young… and stupid!

by David Winton on Jul 22, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think it will bother him.

He doesn’t appear to want to play so why would he want to play in games above and beyond the mandatory 16?

Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.

by Idahochief on Jul 22, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some of you guys are nuts...

…no way would I if I were the Lions offer more than a seventh for him. People always over value the talent on their teams. I highly doubt Page will even make the team.

by FrankPitts on Jul 22, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Trade him for the last pick

of the 2011 draft. We can call him, “Mr Irrelevant.” He was a late round pick – starter or not – he had a chance to start for early-round money! Now he’ll be somebody’s backup… Stupid, stupid, stupid.

by David Winton on Jul 22, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

A couple of points here gentlemen: A fifth rounder is probably “fair market value” for a guy of Page’s caliber. Definately not I don’t know if I would even want to trade Page. The guy didn’t show the new regime anything due to being injured. I can understand him sitting out the OTA’s because he’s getting paid peanuts compared other average- to above average safeties. I think a lot of fans get down on a player when he holds out for more money. I can see why in Page’s case.
I also have a lot of faith in Kendrick Lewis, but it’s not realistic for a late round safety to make an impact. Year two, maybe year three. But Right now, I view him and McGraw around the same caliber: decent backups, but you don’t want them starting over Page. Our secondary looks very impressive with Flowers, Carr, Berry and Page. But it might go awry with Lewis or McGraw in the place of Page.

I think the best case scenario is sign page to a 3 year deal, let him walk for greener pastures after that and have Lewis ready to step in immediately.

by Schefdawg on Jul 22, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

well said

I think keeping Page would be the best case scenario, assuming he can come into camp and get with the program.

BUT, I’m worried he won’t sign or come to camp, and the Chiefs will be forced to release him for no value, because they need the roster spot.

so, if the offer is right, trade him.
if it’s not, do everything in your power to get him into camp and on the field

this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6 a possibility?

by stagdsp on Jul 22, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does he count as a roster spot if he doesn't sign his tender?

If he is not taking a spot than he has no leverage at all.

by Helmets on Jul 22, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

A healthy Page is a top 12-15 FS in the league

if we trade him, i want a Nose Tackle. See if we can trade him and a 3rd or 4th for Shaun Rogers or someone. I would want a 3rd rounder or starting Nt

by JC25FoMVP on Jul 22, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Page is a restricted free agent. The nice thing about that is if he doesn’t play for the Chiefs this year, he remains a restricted free agent next year. They don’t have to be in any rush to do anything. Some team will have an injury and he is the best available player out there. I would guess by the start of the season or shortly there after they will be able to command more than his worth. And if the Chiefs start winning, Page will likely feel a lot better about being here. So I see no advantage for trading him right now, just for the sake of making a trade. Let him sit, with the up coming strike, he will get very interested in getting a deal done prior to the start of the season. Either way we win.
He cant afford to sit out this season and be on strike next season, unless he is living with his mom.

by fgxtom on Jul 22, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Page is a restricted free agent. The nice thing about that is if he doesn’t play for the Chiefs this year, he remains a restricted free agent next year.

As has been said here before, not necessarily. There was a story with quotes from someone knowledgeable on the subject that the amount of time needed to become a free agent will decrease giving Page the needed time to be a FA.

If someone asks you if you want extra mayonnaise you have to say yes, cus that's part of it.
-Jared Allen

by JComp11 on Jul 22, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy...

But I think we need to keep him. He’ll settle down after training camp starts. All that he’s going to do is make himself look childish if he throws a fit. He’s only going to hurt himself. It’s a win – win either way for the Chiefs. He shows up to camp, shuts his mouth, and earns a starting spot….or he throws a fit, looses all of his leverage with the chiefs, and gets traded for hopefully a 4th or 5th to a desperate team. The trade value will increase so much once the season starts. The Chiefs have nothing to loose here. We all know that winning solves a lot of problems too. Maybe a win or two at the start of the season will change his mind.

by dgee56 on Jul 22, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

There is no reason to trade him now

He isn’t under contract so he doesnt count as a roster spot. No reason to be concerned with taking less than they want.

by bonesjackson on Jul 22, 2010 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Considering what we got for Bernard Pollard...

I think a 5th rounder sounds pretty good. But, didn’t we learn last year what no depth at safety can do to a defense. What happens if John McGraw or (gasp) Eric Berry gets injured? We would have to throw another rookie in there. At best we would end up rotating a bunch of rookies in there anyway. Teams get better by identifying which guys in house can play and keeping them.

by Streetcleaner on Jul 22, 2010 11:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Page ? Page ? Bueller ???

SNIFF SNIFF Hey…….. where U guys hiding Page now ??? Haven’t heard about him in a few days now.

Talked to Lewand ( GM of the Lions ). Says he will give a 5th for him……..BUT…… we want a 7th rounder back, Kool-Aid AND Cornbread for the ENTIRE season !!!

Deal or No Deal ??? Oh…b4 U answer… we also have a midget at Center that we could throw in….LOL

by Scotty Felton on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

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