With Brandon Flowers And Eric Berry, Chiefs Secondary Only Ranks 25th
by Joel Thorman on Jul 18, 2010 7:18 PM CDT
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PrintJason Cole of Yahoo! Sports continues his ranking of each position group in the NFL. Up today is defensive backs and the Chiefs, surprisingly, don't rank that well.
Per Cole's rankings, the Chiefs have the 25th best secondary in the NFL.
Here's what he had to say:
25. Kansas City Chiefs: The Chiefs may have struck … OK, gold is too strong a word for the double-Brandon combo of Flowers and Carr at cornerback, but the pair of 2008 draft picks have been solid and certainly good enough for the type of defense the Chiefs want to play. The real key is FS Eric Berry. GM Scott Pioli went against his better judgment in taking a safety so high in the draft, but Berry provides ample reason. He’s a strong hitter and a ballhawk. Some see him as another Ronnie Lott. Even being just a little shy of that would be fine.
This is a little surprising to me. I figured they would be in the top half of the league.
That said, I do understand part of his logic. The Chiefs secondary is based very much on potential and not necessarily actual results. Sure, Flowers and Carr have been solid but we've been talking about breakout years with those two which would imply that they haven't broken out yet.
I definitely think 25th is too low and something in the mid-to-low teens would have been more appropriate.
By the way, the Broncos (4), Chargers (7) and Raiders (10) are all in the top ten.
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This guy has proven more then enough he's clueless.
We’re low because we only have “potential” but what about Denver? They get that much credit because their players used to be great?
San Diego too high. Oakland at 10? Give me a break. Im going to stop there because this list is giving me a headache. Most ridiculous thing I’ve read since this guys RBs rankings.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 18, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Thank you very much!!! Saved me from typing those exact words
The Chiefs will finish .500 or better in 2010.
by Tony Perkins on Jul 18, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying we need to be top 10 even though our talent is definetly top 10....
But 12-15 seems more appropriate.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 18, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
These guys suck lol! Just wait let them doubt and we will turn the doubters into believers
by ~chief_ganja_king~ on Jul 18, 2010 7:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
LMFAO!
I guess we’ll see people’s thoughts after our secondary owns offenses this year.
Seriously? 25th Flowers alone should vault us into the teens.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
I think they should be ranked a little higher...
Flowers and Berry could both be studs, but other than that we might struggle with another sub par pass rush. Even Jesus Christ Eric Berry won’t be able to cover someone for 7 seconds.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 7:50 PM CDT reply actions
yes...
and the secondary is highly affected by the pass rush.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
but this is just over the secondary
not the amout of time the opposing qb has to throw.
not the linebackers covering the middle.
Just the talent and how good the secondary is, based on any situation given to them.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
and Bewrry has never played a down in the NFL yet here half of AP is ready to annoint the guy the second coming of trhe best FS ever ever
and to that I say BS … not to mention we have no clue who’s gonna play opposite the guy … or how well that dude might or might not do … on top of a lot of people here even being on Carr’s case …
so …
lighten up, let’s see just how good they REALLY are before getting pissed at getting dissed
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Yeah interesting point I saw
The only questionable groups reside from roughly No. 26 down.
So all the unproven talent is not per se Questionable
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
there ya go ... and our group IS unproven to a great degree ... Flowers/Carr what, 3 yrs each?
Berry and … who? how much experience? and if you make it Arenas or Lewis that makes it … ZERO between them
hmmm, MoLeggs? brings down the group as a whole, I think … DWash? totally unproven …
Wr got Flowers and Carr and a Wing and a Prayer
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Don't Wing and a Prayer me :)
Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Lewis, and Berry are going to be kick ass by 2011
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
awesome!
only problem is … this is 2010
hot sauce, anyone?
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by upamtn on Jul 18, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is
Training ground 2010.
Target 2011
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
new action movie starring
Chuck Norris & The Hamsters
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Flowers are Carr are entering their 3rd...
Carr’s looked….not great thus far…Flowers looks good but does anyone else remember him dropping all thoes easy INT’s? There must have been 7 or 8 in the last two seasons.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
he learned by watching Chambers and Bowe
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"If he had great hand he'd be on offense....just not our offense."
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I do remember
his 5 picks last year, 2 ff’s, 2 fr’s, and 23 passes defended :)
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
yeah....
do you remember thoes picks he should have had that would have won us games?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that make him a bad player?
How many fumbles did Emmitt Smith have?
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
yes, that makes him a bad player
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Flowers
But much like every Chief the last 3 or 4 or 15 seasons he’s pissed me off pleanty. His hands need to get better….some of thoes dropped INT’s cost us the game…or at least prevented us from winning them.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Flowers
My wife loves Flowers
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
and chocolate
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Flowers, Berrys, Carrs
Leggetts
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
hahah mine too!
my wife got to meet him and I heard about it forever…and then the next day we ran into him at the mall..she had an awesome weekend lol
they pay the guy to defend passes and cover the other teams' best WRs
not how good his hands are
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yeah yeah....
I know….but it would be nice
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
and now we know why he isn't, huh
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no
It’s still nice when your CB’s can catch…trust me.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
but he's done
a lot to help us win some games too. Every player will make mistakes. Let’s just be thankful that Flowers does more than make up for them unlike some Chiefs players.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
the whole team suffered from "The Drops" last season
Flowers, Carr, Lewis, & Berry = SCARY SECONDARY
NEW ARROWHEAD = BETTER TEAM ... CHIEFS 2011 AFC WEST CHAMPS
RELEASE THE McCLUSTER BOMB!!
I'm with you on this one Ups
We have sure fire #1 and a decent#2 Cb and some depth which is made up of rooks and 2nd year guys who were downright terrible last year in their limited action. (Moleggs & Washington, I’m talking to you)
The ranking is fair until the Chiefs prove otherwise.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 18, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
what flavor KY Jelly do they prefer ... grape or strawberry?
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That would be a different Commercial
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
well, since you know all about Hamster Sex, I think you should be the one producing the spot ...
60 Seconds, not some lame 30 Second clip
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I never thought to have the Hamsters drive my car :(
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
you drive a toaster?
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A Buick Belaire fits :)
A big toaster
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Would be a different Aroma IMO
Peanut Butter Car scents
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
sick bastid
BBQ Hamster … coming soon to a Gates near you
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I would agree....
except that Berry does have a lot of potential and this guy seemed to have no problem ranking groups based on potential when he anointed San Diego’s rookie RB the savior of the Chargers.
by KCChiefsfan75 on Jul 18, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
as we've done with Berry, huh
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How so?
Lots of people have looked at Berry as a savior but then again they aren’t making a nationally syndicated column are they? Just an opinion that only a few within the confines of AP will ever read. This guy gets the bully pulpit and seems to have a bit of bias. I am not going to announce Berry as the savior of the Chiefs. I really don’t believe any one player will be. This is a team sport and Berry must go out there and prove himself and earn his paycheck on Sundays just like any other player. However, if this guy is going to give out generous grades to San Diego based on the potential of their rookie RB, then they could give us a decent grade for the potential of Eric Berry, especially when we also have a virtual Pro-Bowler in Flowers and a solid number 2 in Carr and another young guy who was a very good pass defender at Alabama and was the best blitzing CB in all of college.
by KCChiefsfan75 on Jul 18, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
P.S.
Just so we are clear….I am not asking for a top 5 ranking. Just a fair grade….that is all. I don’t feel that 25th is appropriate nor indicative of the talent that we have in our secondary.
by KCChiefsfan75 on Jul 18, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I know, I know ...
“I tell ya, I don’t get NO RESPECT … why, just last week I went out and got myself the #5 overall draft pick and I’m STILL ranked too low!”
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You may think it's a joke....
I do not. We may not be deserving of any national respect in the sense of people giving us a legitimate shot at being a contender and that is fine. We haven’t shown anything otherwise. That doesn’t excuse them from doing their due diligence and at least being fair when observing the talents of the individual position groups on a team and then grading them. You can laugh it off, or call it justifiable or whatever but it is PATENTLY ABSURD that the Chiefs are ranked 25th. They are deserving of at least 15th place give or take a couple of spots.
by KCChiefsfan75 on Jul 18, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a joke though.
That’s exactly what these power rankings are. The only thing absurd about them is that people get upset by something that means absolutely nothing.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter what this guy thinks
We will see what happens 75, we don’t care what we are ranked, perceived, and or predicted. The players will change those grades by how well the play
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
True Steve...
We’ll just wait and see. I think some of these reporters and media types are going to feel a little foolish after the season starts.
by KCChiefsfan75 on Jul 18, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks
Berry, Carr and Arenas need to prove it on the field.
Flowers needs to continue what he has been doing.
Like all the Chiefs they need to continue to improve Day to Day
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Pass Rush should not be included
But it inevitably is as hurried throws turn into picks and passes defended…
or vice versa ...
as pass rush is poor, Secondary is affected because the QB has all day to look for WR’s and Slots and other outlet passes … or scramble past whomever
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Sorry Chicks,
but I take offense to referencing Berry as Jesus. It’s all in fun, I know, but please be mindful when it comes to religious jokes. Thanks..
And I whole-heartedly agree. It does not matter how good the secondary is because, without an effective pass rush, receivers have the upper-hand to get open when they have all day to do so…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am glad we were ranked low
If it helps us win one more game than we would have because they looked past us….then….it’s worth it.
by chieffaninfl on Jul 18, 2010 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah, it's worked for the Royals
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That was low...
right on the money, but still low nonetheless. Being an avid Royals AND Chiefs fan, it’s been rather tough in recent years, especially living in San Diego for the past ten. What’s worse about the Royals is that we are atop the league in hitting, yet our pitching is killing us. Damn, please God let the Chiefs turn it around this season. I need something to hang my hat on…
Things to get the Chiefs back on the winning side of football:
1. Haley resign as offensive coordinator or do the following;
a. Feed JC more
b. Take the cuffs off of Cassel and let him air it out
2. Fire Clancy "Calls" Playslikeass
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep! Rec'd
Let ‘em look right past us. I would rank us a bit higher, I think they’re forgetting Thomas helping out with the secondary coaching duties, but the guy is right, the rooks haven’t played a game yet. As they say “That’s why they play the game.”
Personally, I want to see how most of these media tools scramble to save face when we’re over 500 at mid-season…When its all said and done, 5 years from now noone will remember how we were ranked before the season, but they WILL remember our W-L record after its over.
Locker room fodder
Sounds like that ranking may piss the Brandon boys of and spur them on, Not to mention what it will do for EB. Also might light a fire under some of the others that are fighting for the last spot. Note they also did not mention Arenas
Would be nice if all our opponents underestimated our secondary, but I think in at least the division, THEY KNOW!!!!!
I'm hoping they're more motivated by, you know, winning 4 games...
than by where they are ranked on some trivial list.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 18, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just like every other National Media Ranking
No Sweat…
We will just prove it on the Field, starting Monday Night: 9/13.
give it a year and, if we EARN it, we'll be there ...
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I wouldn't mind if we were ranked dead last...
Let em all underestimate us.
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by TheK-man on Jul 18, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and I know Manning has to be shaking in his 3-D boots
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Everyone should enjoy the low rankings
that allows the chiefs to stay under the radar. we can all speculate but this season it will be seen by everyone
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by ArrowheadHunter on Jul 18, 2010 8:24 PM CDT reply actions
I have Jason Cole ranked 1025th in NFL reporting.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
by Idahochief on Jul 18, 2010 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I like Cole, actually ...
he and Robinson did some kickass stuff on the USC/Reggie Bush scandal
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I didn't say I didn't like him, it is just that the numbers do not lie.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
hey, you probably dis on the other Jason, too
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There are no other Jason's. Cole is the only one that is so awesome a last name is not necessary.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
my Gates Rib Eating Friend would be stunned
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Like an angus 1st in line down at the slaughter house.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
The actual 25th rank is not bad when you consider the Chiefs have 0 safeties
besides McGraw
Ninja Ass
and he only counts as half
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have a problem with the ranking, I just hope he isn't right.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
there ya go ...
I think we’ll be better by the end of the year … real question is gonna be how well we start out, and the damage in the meantime
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Yep
That is why I don’t have a problem with Lewis and Berry learning together.
Carr and Flowers learned together too.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, or FS
might not matter, it’s just a label .. point is gonna be coverage, and everyone doing their job correctly on time, every time
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Well just sayin
If you’re a writer for Yahoo Sports.. shouldn’t you at least get the label right?
Ready for some Flowers and Berrys in the field...
I think you are right
left safety and right safety would be the correct terminology
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
except that since even Crennel doesn't know who's gonna line up where, does it really matter?
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only if you are playing madden I guess!
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Nope
But go with what has been proven so far.. just itched me a tad thats all.
Ready for some Flowers and Berrys in the field...
ok, so ...
Berry hasn’t been proven … or Arenas of Lewis or DWash … so who we got? Flowers rocks, Carr is decent … and NOZBODY ELSE proven
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we get it, you think we have not enough proven guys in the secondary...
but berry is no slouch, neither is arenas…
its actually one of my last worrys…I fret more on run D/pass rush
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
true they have talent, or Pioli wouldn't have taken them
but they ARE still rookies … at any rate, let’s see how worthy they are and talk about rankings AFTER the season when the games have been played and the stats are in
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Who do the Raiders have other then Nnamdi to rank them 10th?
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by GenericBrand on Jul 18, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Their passing yards against stat is skewed because of the least amount of attempts against in the league last year(10% less then the next team), their yards/completion was second worst in the league and were 25th in passer rating against.
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by GenericBrand on Jul 18, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
doesnt matter...carr/flowers are great...arenas will blitz, add a new dimension as the 3...berry provides a darn safety...we WERE USING RICKY PRICE AGAINST DENVER WEEK 17!!!
this secondary is at least improved!
shocked to see SD ranked that high, usually a writer like this would see cromartie leaving and mark them down to 28
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Ricky Price?
isn’t he some pop singer?
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yeah, he was the La Vida Loca guy, right?
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The secondary should be fine but...
Two rookie safeties going up against Philip Rivers on National TV in their first game DOES bother me a little. I can’t lie.
thank you, Mr Washington
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helps that they lack their top wideout
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
who covers Gates?
Antonio, not the Ribs
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both questions for Romeo
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
ahh Romeo and Whitlock at Gates, sucking on the ribs
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NO Gates for anyone else :(
KC is in Mayhem
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I would think Berry would be on Gates for most of the game.
And I think Berry can hold his own. Especially if that’s his main assignment is just cover Gates. He has the size and speed to hold his own against any TE IMO.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 18, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I would hope for and under over type scheme
or just put DJ on gates as a spy all game long
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, look ... I'll go to to Gates and spy ...
… on behalf of LC’s and Bryant’s
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Could DJ maintain that kind of focus for a whole game?
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
the horror that was KC at SD last year
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
there goes THAT game
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I don't know who . . .
. . . but I do know that they will be better than Mike Brown.
gee ... ya think
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and you are so gonna owe me when Asamoah doesn't start the first game
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He only an injury away though wouldn't ya think?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
training camp will determine how far up or down the backup list he is
… but I absolutely do not think he starts
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I would agree that he's only one injury away though.
At least if Waters or Lilja went down.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 18, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he starts either...
But if there is an injury he might…but you can say that about almost anyone that makes the 53 man roster.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
But he had 103 tackles 3 INT's and 2 sacks...
that makes him good….right?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately...
those plays should have been made by the LBs in the first place.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 18, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats what people around here use to say Pollard is great
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 18, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
at some point you would think people would understand that tackling stats are basically meaningless.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
you meanour LB's DIDN'T suck?
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yes
Demorrio Williams is an All Pro
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I was reading on some other teams site
Demorrio was a possible LB pickup for them
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
he next comment was
Demorrio Williams
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
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some off the best 4-12 teams players are not very good
probably why the Chiefs leading tacklers keep getting cut
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
but stats don't mean anything ...
… given that, Priest Holmes was an average player
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Thomas Jones is an Average player
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, surprised Pioli even bothered ...
… and this JCharles guy … pfffffffft
on the plus side, Brodie Croyle is far better than his stats might imply
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Damn
Croyle is going to be stud again come the Atlanta game. You just had to go there?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, doncha love it
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What
This is tackle Football.
I remember “Kill the man with the Football”
Girls didn’t tackle
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
but they were fun TO tackle
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Stats in general really
Unless you have every stat possible on a particular player and context to go with those stats they don’t mean too much
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by GenericBrand on Jul 18, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey ups down here!
Croyle might get his chance.
I have no problem with the best being the QB anymore.
Let’s duke it out :)
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works for me, Steve
you know I love Croyle … well, figuratively speaking, that is
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Croyle can throw a lazer beam
and possibly with proper seasoning can stay in one piece.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
do you recommend Cilantro or Ginger?
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Ginger will more than likely put out at the end of the night.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
kind of liked MaryAnn myself
hey Skipppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Yes but Maryann would be a challenge:P
Call me old fashioned but if I’m looking for a wife/girlfriend i don’t want the one that everyone else has had:P But that should go both ways. But we also need to remember the fact that they were on a island with no law enforcement hehehe.
by CPT.Caveman on Jul 18, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
my issue last year was that, from all reports, Croyle looked far better in camp than Cassel did
and given that, he SHOULD have been the starter … best guy at each position, etc etc yadda yadda yadda, right?
and from the way Cassel played, esp early on, it was sure hard if not impossible to believe that he could have been better than ANYONE
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Do you think Weis will (as a fresh eye) have some input?
I heard somewhere that Cassel was not that impressive in the OTA’s
Weis Will definitely have some input on who he wants to QB the offense.
Pioli definitely will listen since the Money is already out the door, or a vast majority.
Come the 2011 season we need to have the best QB’s available
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
somehow I (still) think that Cassel is gonna be the starter, period ...
unless he looks worse than JaMarcus The Hut, he has the keys to the family car and he’s the driver …
… that unless and until he looks worse than horrid, and or is just very bad and or ineffectual
I think Weis woulkd have a lot of convincing to do … then again, maybe Croyle comes out looking like the second coming of Joe Montana in camp and pre-season, who knows
me, I think the best guy should play, be it Cassel or Croyle or … ummm, who else we got?
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P.... something
Excellent college stats from P… something.
Maybe Dan Marino, 2nd time around
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
alright, young man ... time for this old curmudgeon to crash n burn
besides, one of us has to work tomorrow …
send snow!!!
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If you'll allow me to butt in, I think Croyle is probably the ultimate camp QB
He looks impressive in practice because he doesn’t have to worry about getting hit or scrambling, but once he enters a game he just can’t perform well enough to win. I believe he’s 0-9 as a starter, which is an abysmal record.
If Weis can harness Croyle’s arm make it more of a rifle than a blunderbus than we may have something, but for now Croyle is nothing more than a second string QB with a painful history of injuries.
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he has an abysmal record because he was starting for abysmal teams ...
… with the abysmal 2.7 blocking for him … and more abysmal WR’s to throw to ….
he actually has a very accurate arm, which had he been allowed to start beyond Game 1 last year, people whould have been able to see and appreciate
if he plays better and looks better in camp and pre-season than Cassel this year, then he SHOULD be the started, simple as that … and same goes for Cassel if he’s the better of the two
thing is, will anyone outside of Haley/Weis/Pioli be allowed to see and really judge who’s best? I doubt it …
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I agree that the starter should be decided by camp performance, though Cassel probably has to look completly terrible to lose the job
If Haley and Pioli weren’t positive that Cassel was their man, then they wouldn’t have traded for him. I just hope that they don’t have too much pride to admit that they’ve made a mistake ( if Cassel doesn’t pan out).
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me too
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Imagine if he would have signed Cassel last year for 60 mil...
and he lost the job in camp, and was never the Chiefs starter…..we’d all be calling for Pioli’s head.
He was going to start last year, and he’s going to start this year. If the Chiefs and Matt Cassel fail, at least Pioli has his goat, and won’t look quit as bad.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, offering Cassel the deal before the season even started showed that Pioli trusted him to be our franchise QB
I really don’t think Croyle had much of a chance to start last season and his chances this year are pretty low too. I think some of us are hoping for the Brady-Bledsoe situation to unfold here, but the odds of that happening are rare.
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No problem
Croyle might be the “blunderbuss” (that is a nice reference)
Last time Croyle played in the regular season. To me. He was a shotgun.
whether the play was ready or not he Fired the ball with little affect. Now
Weis is coaching all the QB’s Cassel, Croyle, and Palko to be THE qb for the Chiefs.
All of them have strong points and weaknesses and it is Weis’ job to put the best one on the field
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 18, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If there is one Offensive Coordinator I trust to get the full potential out of QB, it's Charlie Weis
This is why I was so excited by his hiring. He will make our QBs the best that they can be and I guarantee the starter, whoever they may be, will be made better by Weis being here.
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let the season ....
hurry up and start so we can see these doubters change their tunes about the Chiefs … that will solve alot of issues!!
Flowers, Carr, Lewis, & Berry = SCARY SECONDARY
NEW ARROWHEAD = BETTER TEAM ... CHIEFS 2011 AFC WEST CHAMPS
RELEASE THE McCLUSTER BOMB!!
Wrote him an e-mail
I called him out on it and please do that as well. He did this with the RB’s and I thought our O-Line got a bad rap too. He is disrepecting this team at this point.
Response from Jason Cole
Yes this is an actual e-mail I got from him this morning, I thought I would share it with you guys.
I don’t the Chiefs, I just don’t think they’re that good yet. We’ll see. Eric Berry is nice, but the CBs are just OK. Tampa and Cleveland have better corners right now, which is essential to a great secondary and Minnesota has more experience right now.
But that’s just my opinion and it can change in a hurry once they start to play.
Take care, Jason Cole
are you ****ing kidding me?!?!?!
there are few and I mean few secondarys I’d take over ours.
Flowers is developing into one of the finest corners in the league , Carr has a solid #2.
I think Javier Arenas is going to either step in , or develop into one of the premiere nickel corners in the league.
Berry is going to be one of the best FS in the league , hopefully Kendrick Lewis can perform , he has great potential as well.
with that said , few secondarys I would take over ours.
by Shaun McElreath on Jul 19, 2010 1:37 AM CDT reply actions
They have to prove themselves!
I’m glad! I don’t want them getting big egos! They need to stay hungry for being the best in the NFL! These guys really could be lights out if they work good as one unit… And they need to stay healthy…
personally yahoos rankings are just garbage.
I think even if we go 8-8 to 10-6 , the only positioned bumped would be the running game and they wouldnt even give it a top 10.
I think Flowers is on the last tier of the top 10 CB’s in the league. Carr smh, needs to step the hell up because he gets straight massacred on 20 yard plus passes. He, legget, and daniels are the reason we have developed 2 Wr stars this year, Steve Smith and Miles Austin, look at their stats before they played the chiefs, then look after and it was all their fault.
I like what I am hearing about Travis Daniels but I really don’t think hes gonna make much of an impact in pads.
Lets let Eric Berry play first before we throw all of these projections of pro bowl status and beyond.
I think the Chiefs are nnumber 19 about
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- 49 K.Lewis will give you his all day 1 yall secon dary is shaping up to being something special> Shotout Lil Cuzz stay focus n prove to them that you Been a Chief Since your Hunter"s Day> It’s a New Orleans Thang WE LOVE YOU Cuzzzin
Ranking way too low
The 25th ranking is way too low for our secondary. I mean with the Brandon boys, Berry, and don’t forget Kendrick Lewis. People got got Berry listed as Free safety he’ll be playing strong safety. Lewis will and should be starting free safety. He’s the sleeper rookie people will be talking about toward the end of the season. Our secondary is definately better than Chargers and Raiders. Raiders got Asomugha and thats it. Chargers have Weddle who’s ok and Jammer who is ok corner. But we’ve got really good and potentially great players in Berry and Flowers.
And let me not forget
I didn’t even mention Javier Arenas. This kid is going to be a ballhawk. He would be starting if he wasn’t playing behind the Brandon boys. Look out for Travis Daniels kid been looking real strong in mini camp he maybe be out Arenas at nickel corner
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