ESPN Again Responds To Dwayne Bowe's Denials, Won't Release Audio
by Joel Thorman on Jun 29, 2010 3:09 PM CDT
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PrintThis week Chiefs WR Dwayne Bowe was on an Atlanta radio station and again denied the comments about "importing" women that were attributed to him in an ESPN the Magazine feature.
"No [my teammates don't give me a hard time] because now they are finding out that it definitely wasn't me," Bowe said. "But I took that like a man. People that really know the Dwayne Bowe that clowns but on a serious note won't let anything out of the locker room that is not supposed to be out."
Since Bowe brought the issue back up, we reached out to ESPN the Magazine editor-in-chief Gary Belsky to request a copy of the audio to put this matter behind us once and for all.
ESPN declined to send the audio and their statement to us explains why:
"As we have said, we will happily allow Mr. Bowe the chance to listen to our recording of his interview, in the event he forgot that he made these comments. He has not asked to do so.
"Despite his persistence in denying having made these comments--unfairly damaging the reputation of one of our best writers--we have consistently avoided releasing the audio from his interview to spare him and others further embarrassment, specifically because on the recording he offers more lurid details than we published and because he named several teammates as having participated in the off-hours activity in question.
"We do not know why Mr. Bowe persists in denying having made the comments, but out of respect for him, his teammates and the Chiefs we will maintain our position, which we think is the honorable choice. We believe The Magazines' reputation for honesty and integrity speaks for itself."
I think this is further evidence that it would be in everyone's best interest if Bowe just didn't do any more interviews.
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Who Cares! Old News!!!!
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
by Racyman on Jun 29, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We got the offseason blues.
I'm on a horse.
by craig in calgary on Jun 29, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: Old News
I don’t think this is old news at all. I’m glad Bowe thinks this is a joke, because I can guarantee his teammates and ex-teammates don’t find it funny. It would probably never happen, but god forbid Bowe pushes ESPN over the edge and in order to salvage their credibility have no choice but to leak out parts of the tape to prove they were telling the truth.
I really worry about the kid’s maturity. It’s not even like ESPN is being unreasonable about this matter. It would be nice for Bowe to man up about it, but ESPN isn’t even asking him to do that. All he has to do is keep his mouth shut and let the issue die. Given that some teammates of his could get really hurt if any of this info leaks out, you have to really worry about a player who is more worried about saving his own face than protecting his teammates.
I mentioned this in a piece a few months ago. It’s one thing to slip up. It really worries me that he still hasn’t learned his lesson, especially for a team that is working relentlessly to build a culture of accountability and character.
good point
Honestly I hadn’t thought about the author of this piece until ESPN mentioned them above. Your points hit the nail on the head. I defended Bowe alot and even earlier defended him in a post about his “Hard Knocks” comments. You are completely true and both sides should just walk away from the incident.
If Bowe can’t keep his mouth shut, ESPN may just leak the tape and ultimately gain the credibility of the writer back but potentially hurt several other teammates and their families.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Yep, I was giving him the benifit of the doubt early in all of this
but he can’t stop himself from bringing it up again…and again… It’s almost like he’s enjoying the attention he’s gotten because of this. I’ve always been pretty neutral on Bowe, feeling his talent was enough to overshadow his immaturity, but he’s really starting to wear on me. As I mentioned in a different post earlier today, I hope he has a really good season so that he can be traded for a good draft pick, or two.
Predictions:
This year will be better
It's not old news if Bowe keeps bringing it into the spotlight.
Somebody in his entourage needs to explain to him that he is coming dangerously close to alienating all of his teammates.
对的五十三个人
by BeijingKCfan on Jun 29, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
if ESPN is doing the "honorable" thing by not releasing the tape
Then they should have never commented on this story again. Same for Bowe. Both sides need to shut up about this and let it die, but if ESPN is going to continue to comment anytime something is said then its obvious that they still want to use this story as a way to get their rating up.
release the tape and let whatever fall out the will be happen. Or if they are not gonna release the tape then let the story die and shut up about it.
by chiefs8288 on Jun 29, 2010 3:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I think ESPN is just defending themselves
If someone is claiming you lied, wouldn’t you do the same?
by Joel Thorman on Jun 29, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
As a media outlet...
Doesn’t ESPN have more of an obligation to back up it’s story than Bowe? If he is calling “one of their best writers” a liar, shouldn’t the magazine be stepping up to defend the integrity of that writer? Bowe is just one person, if he’s lying then ultimately it’s really unimportant. But if a media outlet isn’t willing to verify it’s information, then that certainly seems to leave the door open to speculation on the part of their readers. IF they are innocent in this, then what prevents other athletes from doing the same thing down the road? It seems to me that I would want to plug that kind of a hole up quickly before more begin to appear.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
But....
I assume that ESPN is allowed in most if not all professional sports locker rooms throughout the country. If they were to use this “damaging” tape to clear this writer’s name, then perhaps interviews with ESPN writer’s would become less candid, i.e. a blackballing of sorts. Something a little similar happened up in Seattle concerning Ken Griffey, Jr. and “napgate.” Players wouldn’t even speak to that reporter.
Long story short… I think ESPN is better off in the long run protecting their access than taking this issue any further.
I’m not disagreeing with citadelchief, just offering up another side.
I can definitely see the logic in that.
But I really don’t feel that one writer would be that damaging to ESPN. Keep in mind, this is a company that features former NFL stars like Tom Jackson, Chris Mortensen, Ron Jawarski, Keyshawn Johnson, Mike Ditka, etc. I just don’t see that kind of blowback to them when they have all of these insiders with credentials and backgrounds that (in some cases) demand respect from today’s athletes. And had anyone here really even heard of this writer before now? I can’t even remember his name and I’m a subscriber to ESPN the Magazine.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Where I’ll disagree with you is on this point. You mentioned that ESPN has more to gain by backing up their facts. Their public statement that a tape exists is a strong statement in itself. Realize that if ESPN is lying, they lose their journalistic integrity and they could be threatened for defamation for misquoting Bowe, especially for a comment like that. I think you’re underestimating how important credibility is for a journalist. And if the one writer was just going rogue, there’s no reason why ESPN would stand behind him.
If the tape didn’t exist, then the Chiefs and the Bowe camp would probably be pretty vocal about how ESPN lied. They’ve pretty much said nothing. And if ESPN says that Bowe hasn’t requested to listen to the tapes, that’s a pretty strong indication that he said something stupid and he knows it.
This is the second interview where Bowe has stated that he did not say anything like that.
He even went so far as to say he doesn’t even know who the reporter is. That’s pretty vocal on his part.
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And you’re right that it is ESPN the Magazine’s journalistic integrity that’s being threatened. So why haven’t they defended it? Engaging in a war of words with Bowe is not defending their credibility when the claim to have irrefutable proof. Look at the sports world. Kobe, Tiger, Big Ben, Vick, PacMan, and tons of other athletes with much bigger offenses continue to talk to ESPN reporters despite the amount of attention they received with their issues.
And if they don’t squash this issue now, what happens the next time they post something embarrassing to a team or player? They have left themselves to attacks on their integrity in the future.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 30, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
he's also said in interviews that he was "misquoted" by that writer
and then said he doesn’t remember what he said, now it’s he never said anything…and all ESPN has said is “we have the tape, if he wants to hear it, we’ll let him hear it”. ESPN isn’t stirring the pot, the guy who can’t remember anything is.
even if he didn’t say it, i’d sure want to hear what they have…why isn’t he doing ANYTHING about it?
A lawsuit going into training camp.
Now that’s one thing we know for sure that Pioli & Co won’t go for.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 30, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
who cares?
if you’re name is being dragged through the mud by a major media player, if it’s causing issues in the locker room, you take care of that shit NOW. if ESPN is lying, they have to step up. that wouldn’t take much time at all…plus, he’d be a few million dollars wealthier.
truth is, Bowe needs to handle this. if he’s telling the truth, he needs to clear his name. if he’s not, he needs to admit he f’d up and move on. yet, he just keeps flapping his gums.
Pioli and Haley seem to be men of integrity
if Bowe came to them and told them he needed to clear his name, i’m sure they’d support him 100 percent…and if he were to file a lawsuit and ESPN doesn’t have a tape, i doubt Bowe would EVER step in a courtroom, that would be settled out of court SOOOOOO fast, and if ESPN wanted to take it to trial, it would be months, maybe a year or two, before it would be heard.
if Bowe is telling the truth, he has NOTHING to lose and so much to gain…yet, he’s done nothing.
so you think...
ESPN should allow one of their writers to more or less be called a liar which in turn hurts their credibility?
ESPN only speaks up when asked by, i assume in this case, SBNation, to release the tape. they aren’t bringing this up, they’re responding to requests when Bowe speaks about it. the only reason we know about this is because that was the reply that Joel got when he asked ESPN for the tape.
Exactly
This is such old news I realize that is the dulls of the offseason but BSPN creates more “news” than it reports and really who cares already both sides and all bloggers need to just drop it Im sure there was something else that could have been mentioned than this. Im not trying to single anyone out because I love the site and the relevant Chiefs coverage but this story was dead 2 or 3 weeks ago.
Bowe is hell bent on self destruction.
Mark my words, he’s going to continue to comment and deny on this thing until ESPN decides to release the audio, and the most damning comments he made are made public.
He wants to be mired in controversy. It’s obvious to me he’s just goating them.
And when he gets his wish, and the details emerge, I’ll get mine and the Chiefs will be free once again.
Pioli needs to be thinking about whether or not, he’s going to want to deal with the real details of this story breaking out, right when the Chiefs are getting ready to go into the playoffs.
I say distance ourselves by dumping Bowe now. I’m tired of this, and he can be replaced.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
All the Chiefs would have to say is they listened to the tape
and ESPN is correct. Bowe is hanging and sits in the same chair as Page.
Then let it play out
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Pioli has the luxury of waiting to see how this plays out because it didn't happen on his watch.
If this had happened while Pioli was GM, Bowe would already be gone. If/once the details do emerge Pioli will kick Bowe to the curb and use it as an example of what happens to a player when the behave like a jackass.
对的五十三个人
by BeijingKCfan on Jun 29, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Dead horse but...
This is like walking in on two kids who are fighting and asking them what happened, you just don’t know who’s telling the truth. Its hard to believe ESPN because they keep saying they have tape but won’t release it but its hard to buy Bowes story because wouldn’t you want to take action against a nationally published magazine that put words in your mouth and made you look like an asshole? This whole thing is weird.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Re: GenericBrand
Here’s my take. ESPN has a lot to lose by lying about this and they wouldn’t make the claim that they had “lurid” details if they had none. Their entire credibility would be undermined. As for the credibility issue, no matter what you may think about ESPN, I think it’s pretty safe to say that I trust ESPN’s word a lot more than Bowe’s, given the track record behind both.
No doubt they have details, and knowing Bowe and his big mouth....there's a mountain...
of them. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
“I fear that all Bowe has done, is to have awakened a sleeping giant”.
God help him.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Hmmm
“We do not know why Mr. Bowe persists in denying having made the comments, but out of respect for him, his teammates and the Chiefs we will maintain our position, which we think is the honorable choice. We believe The Magazines’ reputation for honesty and integrity speaks for itself.”
Maybe ESPN is protecting more than just Bowe…I have no doubt he said something stupid. I’m not sure why they would protect Bowe after he basicall called ESPN liars, but I could see them not wanting everything he said released. We might never know the truth which sucks. First JFK, then the “moon” landing, then the 94 Expos, now this. Life sucks…but kudos to ArrowheadPride for having the balls to ask for the tape…
next time demand it
next time demand it
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM CDT reply actions
maybe if the release the tape
and we (including other athletes) see how much info they actually collect from an interview, they would lose a lot of access to their bread and butter. releasing it COULD hurt their bottom line, at least for ESPN The Mag.
very true...
always follow the money trail…
yeah it might become a HUGE story….but in the long run they could lose out on interviews and access to player…don’t bite the hand that feeds I suppose.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point Chicks...
And well said… I think you are correct, long term it’s better for ESPN to keep the tapes…
No way they're lying and Bowe isn't.
They live by the code of “jounalistic integrity”.
Bowe has no code, except Bowe first".
Even he just said….“I’m all about camera time”, or some such foolishness.
The more he says, the more I dislike the guy.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
The whole thing would die...if Bowe would just let it.
10 + wins in 2010. Chiefs SHOCK the NFL!!! Mark it down.
He doesn't want it to. He want's just the opposite. Controversy, and his name plastered
all over the internet and news at the expense of this teammates. He’s a real MF’in POS.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
K-man, what's your opinion of Dwayne Bowe?
对的五十三个人
by BeijingKCfan on Jun 29, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
:) stay tuned.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
To Dwayne:
Pro Tip: Next time your phone rings and it’s someone wanting to interview you, just hang up before you accidentally say something.
My long, drawn-out predictions that no one cares about, nor will bother to remember:
1. Todd Haley will still be the Chiefs Head Coach up to the 2011 season.
2. Clancy Pendergast won't make it to the 2010 season and was never intended to. Last-minute hire for a position that needed to be filled.
3. Todd Haley will not be the OC at the start of the 2010 season.
I listened to the interview online that is the subject of Bowe's comments.
He was actually alot more positive and having fun than I have heard him in awhile. He was joking with the radio jocks and sounded credible. He was boasting about the Hard Knocks thing and having fun. It is very difficult to know what to think right now with this guy, but he does need to realize that these questions will keep surfacing and he needs a pat answer to give to stop the madness.
i don't listen to talk radio
but has anyone posed Bowe or his reps the question that if he DIDN’T say these things, things that hurt his personal and professional image, why he hasn’t looked into taking legal action?
Suing for libel/slander (print/oral) is D-Bowe's legal remedy if he wants to go after ESPN.
It doesn’t sound like ESPN in any way fears such a suit. This tells me one of two things is the case:
- ESPN got it right in the original report
- There’s something else on that tape that’s more embarrassing to Bowe than anything we’ve heard.
I think it’s more likely the first. In any event, I get the distinct impression that Bowe is boy in a man’s body.
Libel as a legal remedy is almost impossible to prove
because you have to demonstrate malicious intent. ESPN does not fear a libel suit because even if they did blatantly lie, there’s no way Bowe can prove it in a court of law to the extent he can collect damages. “Freedom of the press” is alive and well in this country. (If you don’t believe me see NY times v. US – the “pentagon papers case” and NY times v Sullivan)
OU SUCKS!!!!!!
by TexasFight83 on Jun 30, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
One thing that was interesting in the interview
was that when he answered the question about whether or not his teammates were giving him a hard time, he replied “no, because they know it wasn’t me”. That may not be verbatum but it is close. Now I don’t know if that means it was out of character for him to do that or if he is literally saying that somebody else said it. In the same interview, he talks about how somebody was impersonating him (implying it was on Facebook). He jokes about it saying that at least you got people that wanna be you, but I am beginning to wonder if this is all related somehow. Very strange.
GREAT point. I doubt it’s true because I think D Bowe would be alot more vociferous in his denials, rather than treating the whole thing as a joke. But just planting a seed of doubt is good strategy on his part.
Bottom line is it’s pretty meaningless, except I think it has increased Bowe’s concentration level and desire 10 fold, and that’s a good thing for him and us.
I hope you are right
we need his clown ass catching the ball.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I was just thinking about Bowe's comment about being picked for fantasy teams
He said he wouldn’t let anyone down if they picked him. I hope he makes good on it, because if he doesn’t he has already given the media ammunition to shoot holes in him with.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
Because you keep trying.
When you decide to quit trying, you will quit.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Well stated K-man
that is how I quite.
对的五十三个人
by BeijingKCfan on Jun 29, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for you man.
Now you’ll have to excuse me, it’s time for a smoke. :)
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Because he doesn't want to. He's a controversy and publicity hound, and doesn't
care that it’s at the expense of his teammates.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
I'm not buying it...
If they wanted to release the tape, they could bleep out the names to protect those they are claiming to protect. As the publishers of the article, the burden of proof lies with ESPN on this issue. Until I see proof I’ve gotta side with Bowe.
by Randy5225 on Jun 29, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ESPN would be stupid
to claim they have a tape that doesn’t exist. if this were to escalate to the point that it became a lawsuit, ESPN The Mag would be DONE.
Disney lawyers aren’t dumb and i’m sure they’ve had plenty conversations about this.
I agree, that would be stupid
but this is the SHOW ME STATE.
by Randy5225 on Jun 29, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
And you can imagine that if the Chiefs’ front office was certain the tape didn’t exist, tight-lipped as they may be, they’d be denying this up and down. The fact is, ESPN has a million times more to lose by lying. All Bowe has to lose by lying is a slap on the wrist by his front office maybe a release, only to be picked up by another team.
And if we’re getting into credibility, you have a journalist (who can be branded for life if he was lying) vs. a player who has a history of having “foot-in-mouth” problems and is only one year removed from a suspension for performance enhancers. Despite what anyone thinks about ESPN, they win the credibility battle by a mile.
tonya harding had nancy carrigan hurt just to try to win an olympic gold.
yeah, she’s out of the sport and jail, but it bought her 15 minutes of fame to write a book or show up on reality tv and make money.
can’t always say there aren’t benefits to being in the news.
Why would Scott Pioli deny or confirm a tape? I thought the front office just wants this to be over with….wouldnt they just ignore it? I’m sure they are getting fed up with Bowe’s mouth, keeping this alive, but they aren’t exactly the types to keep all this in the news, even if ESPN is in the wrong
Yes, ESPN has more to lose in this. But all they have to do is produce a tape. Not too hard to do. And releasing that tape falls right in to ESPN’s standard for journalism. And yet they haven’t, which makes most of us beg the question why. I , for one, do not buy their excuse, as it does not match up with their normal journalistic standards.
At the end of the day, if there is no tape, all ESPN has to do is claim that there writer signed a paper confirming there was a tape, put the blame on the writer, and probably get off the hook. After all, as you’ve said, Disney Company has really good lawyers.
This guy could swing himself onto Leno, Letterman, a book, etc…..
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Jun 30, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
so why hasn't Bowe done anything to protect his name?
he could make more with an ESPN lawsuit than his next contract.
I believe 'than' is correct...
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
could it just be that he doesn't need the money? or isn't greedy and doesn't want it?
I can’t ever remember Michael Jackson counter-suing somebody for slander after being accused of molestation.
I understand your point, and Jon’s. Jon makes great points and has a sound argument, but we don’t live in rational times.
Sometimes the people with the most to lose (usually the most to gain) actually are the ones in the wrong:
Bill Clinton
Martha Stewart
Our favorite boys at Enron
you could make this list way longer.
Point is, logic doesn’t always follow the path of the truth.
unknown writer from ESPN uncovers potentially big story. Doesn’t said reporter then do follow up on it? then it ends up on Inside the Lines, right? Don’t these kinds of stories end up being bigger stories? Unknown writer has already made a name for himself. He could have fabricated a tape. Would you know Bowe’s voice on tape without seeing video? I wouldn’t.
I’m not supporting Bowe, but I’m not supporting ESPN.
This is very out of character for them. so would doing the story, but then again, they’re counting on the honesty and integrity of an employee….so we can’t exactly say this writer is what ESPN is.
At the end of the day, ESPN just needs to put the tape out there. They can edit out players’ names in the audio, if it exists. so do it already.
If it were you or I, the tape would have came out weeks ago.
I want to believe both parties, but unfortunately one party is lying, and the one party with the apparent concrete, definitive evidence won’t put up.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Jun 30, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
it's not about money
it’s about being labeled something you aren’t, it’s about supposedly throwing teammates under the bus…it’s about being a liar and if you aren’t a liar, you should clear that up.
maybe he doesn’t care about his character, we saw that with the supposed trip to his grandmother’s medicine cabinet.
ESPN isn’t blowing this story up. the only time they make any mention of it is when other media outlets request the tape, this time, Joel and SBNation. outside of the requests and ESPN’s written replies, they’ve done nothing with it.
you're making my point
when does ESPN sit on a story, and not exploit it or the athlete creating it?
How long did they rip into Tiger Wood’s life?
yeah, they’re being quiet. But why? If D Bowe is lying and questioning their honesty and integrity, why aren’t they clearing up their name?
So if Bowe doesn’t try to shake off a label, he’s guilty, but not ESPN?
If he’s guilty, wouldn’t it make more sense to try to let it die and go away (what ESPN is doing?).
and to Jon:
Didn’t Dan Rather (or another CBS anchor) do a story a couple years ago that he fabricated himself??
If a famous reporter of his popularity and “journalistic integrity” would do it, what would stop a no-name at ESPN from doing it?
And if it happened at CBS, why couldn’t it happen at ESPN?
look, I’m only playing devil’s advocate. it isn’t an open and shut case. Innocent until proven guilty, and right now, Bowe hasn’t been proven guilty……..not until ESPN plays the tape they claim exists. until then, it is a battle of he said/she said……
it is amazing how quickly people will jump at the chance to condemn someone.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Jun 30, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Bowe does remember but...
there is more to this situation then meets the eye. If he made the comments off the record and the recording verifies that his comments were to be off the record then that would explain why ESPN hasn’t released the tape. The others they are trying to protect are themselves for publishing something they said they wouldn’t. So to that extent, them saying a tape exists is true but it would be in their best interest to keep it under wraps.
"There is no try. Do or do not."
by Cassel This! on Jun 30, 2010 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
They only want Bowe to hear the tape
Why would they have released the interview in the first place if they were thinking of teammates or the Chiefs .
CHIEFS fan 4 life
by Charles # 1 chiefs fan on Jun 29, 2010 4:25 PM CDT reply actions
PFT just scooped the story
I hope ESPN relents, releases the audio, and Bowe eats ass.
D.J. #56 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 29, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions
Why not hope ESPN retracts the story and Bowe is exhonorated?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not hope the tape comes out and it turns out that Damon Huard was Mr. Import all along?
That Damon Huard organized all the importations, that Damon Huard gave Tyler Thigpen the famous skeleton statue, that Damon Huard was the Keyser Soze of the whole 2007 Kansas City Chiefs.
...And as the roar of 80,000 red-clad great plains warriors fills the hallowed halls of Arrowhead, it will strike fear into the hearts of lesser men. For on that field, individual men toil for something greater than individual honors. They toil as brothers-in-arms, as 53 spirits striving towards a single purpose and driven by a single goal: The glory that comes with vanquishing your foes. They will achieve their birthright, they will be champions.
Because..
Huard was busy masterminding the JFK assassination, laying our plans for Area 51, and disposing of Jimmy Hoffa’s body. He had too much going on to even worry about the Chiefs when he was on the field.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Omigod! I didn't even see the JFK in your reply. Clearly we think along the same lines, citadelchief.
And in all seriousness, Sudden put a smile on my face.
Yep,
Damon Huard is the secret identity of J. Edgar Hoover.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Never seen that :)
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The same reason Mission Impossible wasn't reality tv.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Absofreakinglutely!
Best damn post today.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Still not old news
This should be old news, but it isn’t, because Bowe was dumb enough to respond to a question about it. The reason it’s important: It demonstraes Bowe’s immaturity and lack of responsibility. Someone should have told Bowe that he could have found a better role model than Larry Johnson!
by Watson_H_Rhodes on Jun 29, 2010 6:04 PM CDT reply actions
The ball is in ESPNs court
They have made an allegation, they need to prove it. What happened to investigative journalism in this country? If they think they have uncovered a huge organized sex ring involving high profile athletes they either need to put up or shut up.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August 2010
by sir eccles on Jun 29, 2010 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Because ESPN would rather deal in the sensational than the real story behind the story
How many illegals are imported for the sex/slave trade in the US every year?
Dog Fighting? Illegal Gambling? Unless it involves a player in pro sports they don’t care.
The Brett Favre is he/isnt he is about to start again.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope they come out with the audio and it literally fries Bowe, so that keeping him
becomes an impossibility. Let’s get this over with and replace him now, so we don’t have to deal with the implications and the timing of the story getting out on their terms during the playoffs of worse during the Championship game. This could grow into a distraction that causes dissent and friction in the clubhouse, we need it disclosed now so it has time to fizzle during the season.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
I don't think either ESPN or D-Bowe gain anything by trying to break the deadlock.
You’re a little crustier on this than I am, K-man, but I respect the sentiment and the integrity from which it flows.
The Chiefs would :)
Now what does Pioli think?
Bowe (800+ yards of offense, 8 TD’s) vs a distraction to the plan + someone to pick up the slack + cost of Bowe for one more year (minimal IMO) = ?
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if the Chiefs have a breakout season and we're headed for the playoffs
and then the audio comes out and it implicates players on the team right now….there’s going to be a chemistry breakdown at just the wrong time. I just want it dealt with now. It’s a risk avoidance plan.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
And what if Bowe is right?
When has ESPN or any other sports media outlet hesitated to throw a player under the bus? And to be honest, who is this reporter that claims to have done the interview? Why hasn’t he come out and defended his journalistic integrity. What would he have to lose by getting into a war of words with Bowe? Hasn’t Bowe even claimed to have never met this guy? What evidence does he have besides an audio tape that wouldn’t be admissible in a court of law?
I don’t necessarily believe Bowe in all of this. But I really don’t think ANY media outlet would hesitate to bash a public figure. In fact, many journalists make a living out of it. I really don’t like that the Chiefs “faithful” are so quick to write him off.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair point
It’s just kind of hard to give Bowe the benefit of the doubt in light of everything else that’s happened with him.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Really
What is the Agent up to in all this. The CBA will be worked out if not this year in the next. Bowe , unless the Chiefs act, will play and probably qualify for FA in the next season played. Most everything so far can be written of as immaturity/stupid does.
Bowe does have two 1000 yard seasons so far and does have value as a WR in the NFL. IMO Pioli\Haley\Weis put there foot in his neck. Bowe plays for the Chiefs in 2010 season and then we see what happens with the CBA and Bowe in 2011.
Bowe has to play well for that BIG contract, just like DJ, and for that matter we got a lot of players by the gonads if they want a good deal in the next contract.
Unlike San Diego, who has the reverse issue :)
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never considered the possibilty of Bowe being right.
Because it’s not a possibility. Bowe is a lying publicity hound, a traitor to his teammates, and in all probability the masking agent he was suspended for taking that he blamed on his poor grandmother, is hiding his steroid use, which would make him a cheat as well.
Defend him, love him, hope for him, support him, all that’s good, but a real man requires non of this.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind............... I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Wow.
We have some really judgmental people at AP. If that offends you, you are probably one of the judgmental ones. There are some fans here that can’t wait to jump out and be negative. Heaven forbid ESPN is lying. Im not saying that they are, but there is as good of a chance that they are lying as it is that Bowe is lying. We don’t know what happened. But I will say this….. Im supposed to believe that a Mag has proof of a scandal this big and they wont release the tape? You know how long ESPN harped on Tiger Woods?, Kobe a few yrs back, Lawrence Taylor, Barry Bonds, Big Ben,and so many other athletes before they had actual evidence? Im supposed to believe that they all of a sudden have a conscience now? Yeah. Ok.
by Enite on Jun 29, 2010 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
Most had been charged or at least Civil cases had been filed.
IMO that nothing that Bowe might have divulged is Either
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the vast majority of us are over the story
the problem is that Bowe just won’t let it go.
Predictions:
This year will be better
The popularity of these Bowe stories would suggest otherwise.
And if he’s laughing about the whole thing on the radio then it would appear that Bowe is the one who has let it go. If we really are over it, then why do we keep at it?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Different situation. If he clearly misquoted Bowe, that’s libel.
There’s a difference between speculating (which ESPN does all the time) and quoting. In most speculations, you hear witnesses or sources provide quotes, but they’re usually not attributed to a specific person. If they quoted and lied, that’s libel, particularly for a comment as controversial as that. ESPN obviously felt confident in the quote to issue the story. And they obviously feel confident in the tape that they’ve twice challenged Bowe to listen to the tape.
If ESPN is lying and misquoted Bowe, it’s a very big deal. And the Chiefs and the Bowe camp would make it a very big deal. It seems more to me that the Chiefs camp is more focused on shutting Bowe up than they are making any kind of public action or statement against ESPN. That should tell you quite a bit.
they are letting the rep of one of their top writers go into question in order to protect whatever D-Bowe let out of the bag...If I was one of those players, I would go kick Bowe between the legs
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Did you know who he was before this article?
I didn’t, and I read ESPN the Magazine. Do a search on ESPN.com and look at some of this guy’s material. The more I look into it, the more I’m starting to really question this guy’s journalistic integrity in general.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 30, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It's all good.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jun 29, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
espn said he named people....HOW COULD HE DO THAT!
ugh! and now he keeps beating the thankfully dead horse, Bowe…Shut the heck up please…he is talking himself out of KC.
Disappointed in D-Bowe again, I had hoped the Diuretic was the end of it….should have known better…Just play football dwayne
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
i'm starting to get the feeling he's trying to talk himself out of KC
if ESPN is lying and i was 100 percent sure they were lying and they attributed those quotes to me, i’d have my lawyers up their ass SOOOOO fast, yet he’s done NOTHING to protect his name, reputation, both personal and professional.
i think the D-Bowe Show is so important to him and the powers that be in KC want nothing to do with it, that he wants out. being a clown is more important than cultivating the talent we all know he has and becoming an All Pro on a championship caliber team.
I'm not completely in D-Bowe's corner
but I’m not sure I believe ESPN either. They love creating news. Period. If they had the audio, I can’t believe they wouldn’t be bleeping out players’ names and airing the tape to shut Bowe up from
nfairly damaging the reputation of one of our best writersand their “reputation for honesty and integrity.”
Seriously. ESPN is a bunch of attention whores, so if they could shut him up and attract viewers into it, I can’t seem them not doing it….unless there is no tape.
With the above quotes, they already threw a punch at him….letting others know that he specifically mentioned players’ names.
The man can’t catch, but I could hardly fathom Bowe being dumb enough to actually go down the line and list off each guy and his offenses.
I, for one, am not buying this crap. At any point ESPN wishes to get off their mirage of a high horse and release the so-called tape, I would listen and consider changing my opinion—to Bowe being a complete idiot. But until such time, I refrain from further comment, and will view ESPN as a bunch of lying, attention-seeking cowards.
" It was great for me to get out of that city, because it was just a lot of jealousy, envy and hate that came with being a part of that city."
- LJ, after taking denial lessons from our current President
by chief Stevie_k on Jun 30, 2010 12:57 AM CDT reply actions
Well, for an issue that so many didn't care about
this thing sure has become trendy.
You have to believe that there was an interview. Otherwise this whole thing would never have come about. Bowe would not have said that he was misquoted and didn’t remember making the statement (in nearly the same breath) if he hadn’t been trying to cover something up. Why did he hide from the media for a few days after this story broke? Especially if he didn’t do it? If you accept the fact that there was an interview, then having it taped is not any harder to believe.
Everyone here has made very valid points both for and against ESPN and for and against DBowe. Usually, when events don’t make sense to those on the outside looking in, it has to do with money or power or both. Why won’t ESPN play the tape? Could it be that someone with alot of money and power has ‘requested’ them not too? Did they infact agree not to, but on the condition that Bowe eventually confirm the story?
Could that same money and power have gotten to Bowe as well? Was his idiotic response to ESPN’s claims that he said what he said, an attempt to kill the story without admitting he shot off his yap? Did he simply respond to the question on the recent radio show because he thought the story was dead and the question was more about how he fits in with the team? Did he once again step in it because he is, in fact, a glory hound as several of you think?
I would be very surprised if this story just goes away. You would think that one way or another, who ever is telling the truth would want this cleared up.
"You gonna pull them pistols...or whistle Dixie?"
I listened to that D-Bowe interview, and it was totally done tongue in cheek. D-Bowe was just goofing around, so I wouldn’t take his “denial” all that seriously. If anything, I think he was saying that that’s not the “real” Dwayne Bowe that his teammates know, meaning that it was out of character for him, rather than that someone was acting as him, or the reporter made up the words or misquoted him, etc. D-Bowe’s a goof, a lower level Chad 85, and his words should be treated that way.
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