Nick Saban Influence Continues To Help Chiefs CB Javier Arenas
by Joel Thorman on Jun 12, 2010 6:46 PM CDT
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PrintA few weeks ago, I talked about the Texans rookie cornerback Kareem Jackson. Texans head coach Gary Kubiak had talked about the Nick Saban influence regarding Jackson's pro-readiness. From that, I said we might be able to count on Chiefs rookie (and former Alabama corner) Javier Arenas to pick things up quickly.
Working as the primary nickelback, I've noticed that Arenas seems to "get it" pretty early on. He's solid in coverage, well-spoken and just overall seems to be a veteran, not a rookie.
Prior obligations kept me from attending the Chiefs afternoon practice but Bob Gretz of BobGretz.com passes along this note about Arenas in the second practice today:
Rookie CB Arenas had a big day in coverage, knocking down several passes as he worked as both the nickel back and on the left corner. At one point, head coach Todd Haley could be heard telling his defense: "Don’t let No. 30 make all the plays."
As I've said before, the Chiefs understand that the NFL is shifting to a passing league. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers....a whole bunch of quarterbacks who are changing the way the game is played.
The Chiefs obviously thought about this and early reports indicate that they picked up the right guy.
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I'm so excited to see these guys on the field come Monday night!
and the other 15 games we play next year!
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Bold.
My prediction. He has more interceptions than Tony Gonzalez
I'm on a horse.
by craig in calgary on Jun 12, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
double bold!
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Come on Joel!
You can’t compare two different positions. That’s like me saying Dez Bryant will be a better rookie than Ryan Mathews. A more accurate statement would be that Javier Areans is a better rookie than Joe Haden.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Sure you can.
He didn’t say better DB, he said better rookie. Ryan Succup was a better rookie than Tyson Jackson last year.
I'm on a horse.
by craig in calgary on Jun 12, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course he was...
He was in the better position to score points. But, I see your point now. :D
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
He just might have a bigger and more immediate impact....
especially if he starts returning punts and kick-offs for touchdowns. Throw in a few IT"s and you have a real impact player.
The real question, and the one that will blow your mind, is: If he turns out to be a better rookie than Eric Berry, is that………good……….or………..bad?
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
Good if...
Both are amazing with Arenas edging it out. Bad if Berry is below average and Arenas turns out to be average.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Now I'm beginning to wonder why he wasn't a late first or early second rounder.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
Size. 40 time. I think maybe there was a big game or two where he was overshadowed, and lost some of his glamour.
Not that I follow college all that much, but he was being talked-up as a world-beater at one point in ’09, and then, somehow, sank into semi-obscurity.
Well he's sure being touted around here.
It’s easy to get real excited about both these guys, but I’ve been excited and bought into the hype about sooo many players over the years, who just never lived up to the hype, made millions, then poof, they were gone. Milked the system and rode off into obscurity. The list is endless.
We ain’t in Missouri for nothing. They gotta Show Me.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
We'll see when the pads go on.
But it sounds to me like he has a fair amt of Dante Hall in him, only he is more likely to be a regular part of defense, whereas KC couldn’t seem to really work Hall into the offense, except on a few gimmick plays.
Two INTs and Two fumble recoveries after a season in which he contended for the Thorpe Award tend to do that.
Then he won the Thorpe Award with 2 INTs, 1 FF, and 2 Fumble Recoveries… Berry should have won it in 08, when he had 7 INTs, not 09, when he had just 2 INTs and one forced fumble. Those are the same sort of stats Jim Leonhard put up playing a very similar position at Wisconsin, and the media totally ignored Leonhard. Berry, on the other hand, had the media eating out of his hand because he put up a ridiculous amount of INT return yardage…his freshman and sophomore years.
It seems to me he earned the award on hype more than actual performance. Is that fair to all the other DBs in his own conference who had more INTs than he did? I don’t think so. Berry’s very talented; he just didn’t get the Thorpe Award the year he shuold have.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 13, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Berry got the Thorpe Award the wrong year.
It’s interesting what happened to Tennessee from 08 to 09. In 08, Berry puts together an amazing season. But the Volunteer’s offense was HORRIBLE. The defense had to bail out the offense so much that year.
But the next year, in 09, Tennessee’s QB goes from abysmal to decent, and the D isn’t quite what it was (but a terrible offense turning into a competent offense can do that to you). Berry did not have as great a 2009 as he did 2008. There were DBs in his own conference who had more interceptions.
One thing college football awards don’t do all that often is make sense. Wouldn’t you give a guy who gets 9 INTs more credit than a guy who gets 3? (hypothetical situation alert)
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 13, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
At least you seem to be distinctly aware that there is the potential for either or both...
to not live up to expectations. But I can’t wait to see them both, in actual game situations.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
Nick Saban Influence Continues To Help Chiefs CB Javier Arenas
He’s not quitting the NFL to head back to the college game, is he?
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by burntorangehorn on Jun 12, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions
The pay might be better...
The poster formerly known as "ktr17x"
"What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left."
"In democratic America, Flowers and Berry pick YOU"
Don't really care who's better
just so they both play well. we need help back there, big-time, since we didn’t get help up front.
Needs for 2010:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Safety
by Bleedingredandgold on Jun 12, 2010 9:50 PM CDT reply actions
I don't, either.
I WILL be looking for more TFLs and Sacks from the right corner spot. Be it Carr, Berry or Arenas, I don’t care. But I’m pretty sure having Arenas in the mix will push the others to bring that part of their game, or Arenas may very well be starting at RCB. With an explosive jam, a nose for the ball in the backfield, and an extra gear for the long game, Arenas might just be the inside leverage player I harp about all the time.
Well you won't see any sacks or tackles for loss from Berry
from the Right Corner position. He’s our Free Safety. The depth for right corner is first Carr then Arenas and then Leggett. It would be sheer insanity for the Chiefs to take away Berry’s ability to roam the field by putting him on the right side at corner and allowing teams to scheme away from him by forcing him into man coverage on a wideout. That would completely render his best qualities and attributes ineffective, and is not what the Chiefs are going to be paying 5th round money for. There will be plenty of TFL’s and a few sacks from Berry, but they’ll come from the FS position.
Also, if Arenas wins the starting right corner job, it won’t be during training camp if at all. Carr is proven there at the toughest position on the field, and right now, they’re like night and day. They say Arenas is a quick study, but I don’t see Carr losing the starting job until next season. That’s not to say he won’t spell Carr and do pretty well hopefully, but I think the best use for him is going to be returning punts and kick-offs.
If he turned out to be another Devon Hester….that would be pretty cool.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
Hester's ST only. As a WR, meh.
And if Berry can shut down the best #1 WRs in the league, then it’s WORTH putting him out there. I’m not saying that this is what WILL happen, but #5 (not 5th round) pick makes more sense for a top corner than it does for a top safety. And Polamalu has played right corner, from time to time, often blitzing from that spot. So your “sheer insanity” phrase is a bit over the top.
If he can single-up somebody nobody else on the team CAN and it pushes the whole offense away from the left side of the field, this puts the rest of the D in 10-on-10, when doubling the opposing #1 puts the rest of the D into a 9-on-11. Let’s keep an open mind, here, and not be dismissive of ideas that are outside of the box you put yourself in.
That's what were were going for I think...
Crennel is a master of different looks on defense. We got a very effective blitzer in Arenas and best safety in the draft. He will plus them in depending on the offense he sees that week. It will be interesting and I think other teams will have fits this year against our defense.
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
That's my opinion.
It would be crazy to take most of the field away from a playmaker like Berry.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
Your right though, my mind is closed on the issue of playing Berry at Right Corner
over Carr or Arenas.
Scratch that, it was never an issue. If you see it happen during the season, even for just one play, remind me, and I’ll be sure to apologize for doubting your opinion.
(not talking about in practice or pre-season, but when it counts)
And if I were you, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
We shall see.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
Even for one play?
Obviously there is going to be situations he’ll line up at corner…not often, but waaaay more than once.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jun 13, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup. Berry should allow them to play those inverted coverage schemes...
… and implement them in more than one way.
That's taking talent off of the field.
Not going to happen imo. But let me know when you see it happen….so I can feel humble again.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
If there's one thing that I know from experience, it's to doubt EVERYone's opinion in June.
And if YOU don’t, then YOU’RE crazy!
:o)
Whoever is in that spot will get LOTS of opportunities to make plays....
QBs will be trying to keep the ball away from Flowers and I think either Carr or Arenas will be getting a lot of looks. I would like to see an upgrade at that spot. I hope either Arenas snags the job or Carr steps his game up…something.
jeesh. you just don't listen do you.
just kiddin. :)
It’ll be a little more fun to watch now that we’ve discussed in this thread.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say…..you’re wrong.
lol.
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
Chiefs NT of the future: Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss; Height: 6-2; Weight: 330; Projected 40 Time: 5.35; Projected Round (2011): 1-2; The top nose tackle in the 2011 NFL Draft, Jerrell Powe collected 12 Tackles for Loss and two sacks in 2009, earning All-SEC Second Team honors.
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