Jarrad Page's Chances Of Making The Chiefs Roster: 'Remote At Best'
by Joel Thorman on Jun 10, 2010 8:52 PM CDT
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PrintJarrad Page has until June 15th to sign his $1.759 million restricted free agent tender. If he does not do so by June 15th, the Chiefs can reduce that number to 110% of his 2009 salary -- this would cost him $59,500.
It's unclear if the Chiefs have informed Page and/or his reps (his brother) if they intend to do so.
April 15th was the deadline for another team to offer him a contract and take him off the Chiefs hands for a second round pick so GM Scott Pioli controls his rights.
But what if he does sign...will he even make the roster?
Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star calls his chances of making the team at this point "remote at best." I would argue that this prediction is a little too bold but it's easy to see his point.
The Chiefs want guys who are on board. 100% of the players under contract have been participating in OTAs.
The Chiefs drafted two safeties in April's draft. In fact, both rookies have been running with the first team the last week. Kendrick Lewis took the place of Jon McGraw, who has to be a Todd Haley favorite. McGraw is one of those guys that isn't blessed Eric Berry-like athletic talent and has busted his butt to stay in the league since 2002. That's a characteristic Haley likes.
The Chiefs also don't like injuries. And the only thing the Chiefs really know about Page is that he was injured in November of Haley's first year. I've heard rumors floating around that Page wouldn't have kept his starting job the rest of the season anyway but those are just rumors.
That said, Page is a good player. He may not have all the "right 53" qualities but he's got a lot of starting experience, he's young, plays a position of need and comes with little risk. Though he may not like it, the Chiefs best option may be to hold onto him.
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I'm interested to see Jarrad go
just so we can get to hear his half of the story.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 10, 2010 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I am interested to see him stay
Just to see what Page has :)
He seems to want to be in this secondary, but why sing the tender and sit with Flowers, Charles in the Rehab zone if you don’t have too
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
tough situation
Obviously, the Chiefs should hang on to all the starting-calibur players they can… but, they also wouldn’t be best-served by keeping a guy on the roster that isn’t in their plans.
My gut feeling is that he will be cut… but I would love to see him sign and show up,even start… will be the biggest roster question of the offseason
this should be the most exciting Chiefs team in years! Most all major needs filled with playmakers, and the league's best coaching staff... 10-6?
by stagdsp on Jun 10, 2010 9:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Until he signs he doesn't eat a roster spot
The Chiefs hold all the cards. Remember Branch holding out with the Pats? Pioli didn’t budge.
The Chiefs will finish .500 or better in 2010.
by Tony Perkins on Jun 10, 2010 9:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's not holding out demanding more money..
he just hasn’t signed his offer. We haven’t heard a peep out of him. My guess, Page signs on the 14th and starts all 16 games.
I agree with you here
Maybe Teicher is wrong. He a talking head. Maybe Page is at the end of his rehab and the Chiefs asked him to sit so they could see some of these other guys.
HIV, I hope you're right ... always liked Page and think he has a LOT of talent
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Great point Tony.
I do remember that now. Glad for the reminder. Makes me giddy.
It’s time to turn the Page
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
Page is the ultimate team player.
He is suffering all of this abuse from the fans so he doesn’t occupy a roster spot while sitting on the sidelines with the rehab squad. And this is the thanks he gets. Unbelievable! Anyone seen my koolaide thermos?
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
Has he been on the sidelines rehabbing with the team?
I was under the impression that he’s not even in the building during OTAs…
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
But cut for who?
Even a Jarrad Page as insurance would be better than XXX safety on the third team, right?
by Joel Thorman on Jun 10, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, the price is right
keep him around on the bench. If he does cause a distraction, you can always cut him later, but it can’t hurt to at least bring him to training camp.
triple XXX would kick ASS
sorry my brother :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 10, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
But Joel...
He doesn’t want to be a Chief. Was Pioli kidding when he they only want players who are “tough, physical players who want to be here”?
He’s said it over and over.
Page knew his hold out would send a message directly to Pioli and Haley, that he doesn’t want to be in KC.
What other conclusion can there be at this juncture?
Safeties of Page’s talent level are a dime a dozen.
If the Chiefs were a computer, Page would look like this: Trojan.page.
Personally, I don’t want him around to infect any of these other files:
McCluster.file
Arenas.file
Berry.file
Lewis.file
If you keep playing with viruses…sooner or later, you’re gonna cop an infection.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
Thats exactly right, he doesn't want to be here.
If he did he would sign, he doesn’t even have to show up yet but he has to sign before he does and before he is even traded. He wants to be released or traded, either way not here. And we should be able to get something for him as trade bait, figure a 5th or so.
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by nateforchiefs on Jun 10, 2010 10:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No, he said otherwise
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Page said otherwise?
Explain, please.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha
by Red N Gold Beast on Jun 11, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
N/M... just saw Woodman's post.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha
by Red N Gold Beast on Jun 11, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
So despite him saying personally that he wants to be here and can't wait for this secondary (Twitter)
You think this is more than laziness and money?
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Obvioiusly, he cant' be trusted.
What he says and does are directly opposite of each other.
He says he wants to be here. Then he’s nowhere to be seen.
Look how much he’s missed out on developing chemistry with the new guys, and with the new coaches.
If he truly wanted to be in this city, and win for the Chiefs and for us….then he should have been the first one at all the meetings and ota’s and the first to sign his tender.
Look at Brian Waters and Mike Vrabel….they’ve been there meeting the coaches working hard, helping the new guys, developing chemistry, learning the new plays from Weiss and Crennel…..
and now look at Page….nothing….zippo….nada….just words.
Well my friend, im humble o, it’s a privilege to be a Chief, and actions speak louder than words.
And Page has spoken louder than anyone else on the team.
Time to turn the Page.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
There are other reasons to not be here....
He will be fine…
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Oh sure...
But imo, those reasons aren’t good enough, to sacrifice your reputation for.
Where’s the reward?
I don’t see the upside to what he’s doing, unless……
he doesn’t want to be in KC anymore.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
The longer he waits the less likely it is that he'll be on the team.
I’m not exactly excited about the idea of starting two rookie safeties (and a rookie #1 nickelback) but I think its gonna happen. Potentially 3 rookies in the secondary at the same time makes for a long season.
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by nateforchiefs on Jun 10, 2010 9:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
Three rookies in the secondary….eeesh. Dangerous deal going there with the Chargers comin in week one.
Yeah, that is definitely "eeeesh" at first.
But then by about the second half of the the season and you begin to see some play making, it is a whole ’nother deal.
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"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
The numbers are not exactly in his favor
Chiefs have 7 safeties on the roster and will most likely only keep 4. Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis are locks. Ricky Price and Reshard Langford are most likely out. Then it will be down to Page, McGraw, and Dajuan Morgan. I think Morgan is gone too and preferably Page would stay, but Langford may make the cut over Page and Morgan.
If Page wants to make the roster, he better start showing the Chiefs he wants to play because there are just not a lot of spots left for him.
I think that McGraw stays
We will have 5 safties. Berry, Lewis, probably Page, McGraw and Morgan. McGraw is too good on special teams and a good stop gap if someone gets hurt and doesn’t cost us much. I can see Morgan going before McGraw.
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goodbye page
at this point he would only return and cause disruption. the team is better off without him.
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by ArrowheadHunter on Jun 10, 2010 9:19 PM CDT reply actions
I hope he signs
Page was a longshot at making the team anyways as a 7th rounder. I really, really like him. Page and berry would be amazing.
by SoCalChief17 on Jun 10, 2010 9:34 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Page has no chance at this point of being signed by the Chiefs
DaJaun Morgan and McGraw willsplit time as the starter but i think eventually Kendrik Lewis will be the starter
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
He's definitely fallen out of favor
And with how Haley is just gushing over his draft class — particularly the secondary — it’s hard to think Page will have a sure roster spot even if he DOES sign.
He’s got an uphill battle ahead of him, with some quality young talent working hard to snatch his spot. He’s average at best, and has no more upside than any of those young guys. I would not be surprised if he’s not on this team when the regular season kicks off.
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Well there was not much chance that his actions would....
vault him into Haley’s favorites list……
was there?
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
For starters...
He could sign his tender and get his ass to OTAs. That would certainly help. Aside from that, I’d imagine he’s had every opportunity as every other guy that’s had to earn Haley’s respect. Show up. Work hard. Be a professional. Don’t complain. Do it the way Haley wants it done.
It’s really that simple. 86 other guys are doing it. What’s his deal?
The Chiefs will see a return to respectability in 2010, emerging as the front runner in the AFC West! ....And I'll quantify that however I choose. Ahem.
Teicher has been wrong a lot...
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Here's to hope...
Hoping that Teicher is not wrong.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
I don't really care either way...
He isn’t a great player anyway, I just don’t like Teicher and his statements like this.
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I hope we sign him. Might just be me but I think he's more talented than what we have.
"Without me, it's just aweso".- comment made by Jamaal Charles and Eric Berry.
Keep Page.
He’s almost a guarantee for a pick in the endzone against the Raiders at home for a win. Keep him just for that Raider Killing spirit.
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
I think too much is being made of this...
I believe Page will be the starter come week one. As long as he’s taking care of himself that is.
Too much is made of everything this time of year.
What else are we to do?
But I still think it’s time to turn the Page. Trust me…you won’t even notice he’s gone.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
Hopefully
I’d like to see Page out there for now, unless one of these younger guys like Kendrick can prove themselves. Page is maybe not the greatest safety, but he has experience and isn’t terrible. I think we could do a lot worse.
This is an idiotic statement to me.
If Pioli and Haley want to hang onto him then the only reason would be because they think he’s good enough to make this team. If he had trade value or anyone wanted him he wouldve been dealt already.
Fact is who on the roster is more talented at safety to justify his chances being “remote at best”? Berry is a sure thing starter so he stays, Lewis stays because he’s got the potential to be the future at that position but after that who is better then Page?
McGraw is a stud ST and its no coincidence our worst ST game of the year he was sitting on the sideline with injury so combine that with the “intangibles” that Haley loves and he’s as good as a lock. After that theres Price and Morgan who Page is far more talented and a far smarter, and harder worker then. Washington has been tested out at safety but thats something that needs to be developed. I think Morgan would have a far greater chance of being the one cut then Page ever will be.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Pretty much everyone with whom he's competing would have to be better than they were last year
in order to displace him on the depth chart. He’d have to screw up pretty badly not to win a spot, especially if some of the things said about him are baseless rumors.
I’ve heard rumors floating around that Page wouldn’t have kept his starting job the rest of the season anyway but those are just rumors.
At least one APer has claimed that McGraw was promoted before Page was injured.
I can't remember the game right now, but
Boy I remember that one HIT last season that Page laid on a receiver (then got flagged unjustly). I want to see more of those type of HiTs.
...sporting my new Eric Berry avatar!
by chiefsfan62 on Jun 10, 2010 11:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Also, the way these things usually work...
in terms of salary reduction for not signing…
Page stands to lose 59k in a salary deduction, which, most likely will put him in a lower tax bracket, resulting in him having to pay about 70k less in taxes, which would result in an actual net gain for Page of about 11k.
Bottom line, he don’t give a good goddam.
(This taxes analogy is a hypothetical and the actual results are not researched, except of course by Page, with a call to his accountanty, who is probably…..
his brother.)
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." ~Yogi Berra~
I think your theory here is close to the truth
59k is only about 3% of the total amount of what Page would get if he signed now. Whatever the reason is for him not signing, 3% is probably not significant enough to make money a reason to sign the tender. OTAs are voluntary. So far Page has not violated anything except maybe his teammates dedication to the common cause of improvement.
This IS a business after all. As far as being traded, I don’t think that we can say that it still won’t happen. There will be alot of players out there this year when roster cuts happen that could be available. With no cap, many teams have already or will go into mini camps heavy in numbers. Look at the Chiefs. Right now they have 86 players by last count out there competing. No reason not to. I wonder if that is a record turn out for OTAs.
Page is a veteran safety in the NFL. SOMEBODY will need his skills and be willing to deal for them if they know he is on the market. Personally, I think Page has more leverage that you think with the Chiefs. Rookies are great, but there IS a learning curve to playing in the NFL. Page will most likely hold out until camp and get a new contract or be traded. It would seem highly unlikely that he would be cut.
So....
Page can’t go to Pioli and say:
“Hey, Scott, I want you to pay me less than what you’re offering.”
Nope. I don’t think your theory pans out.
2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I guess now we KNOW how Pioli feels about safeties that high... hahahaha
by Red N Gold Beast on Jun 11, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I did qualify it by saying that....
it’s a non-researched hypothetical argument there.
Apparently there’s some truth to it, because he didn’t show.
If the amount of money involved was 1M, he would have been there….
don’t ya think?
"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.." ~Yogi Berra~
weird, teicher and I are on the same Page...yeesh
Team Pioli/Haley
Page should make the team.
Eric Berry will start at one of the safety positions. Kendrick Lewis is a rookie and has not played against NFL talent. There is a reason he was not drafted before the 5th round. McGraw and Morgan are awful. Page when healthy was always a very good safety. He needs to sign and get on the field with Berry. Where else can he earn 1.7 million.
The longer Page stays away the less likely it
is that his career will continue with the Chiefs or anybody else. He needs to get his butt on the field before he is really screwed.
"The Hammer"
Exactly, GL
Each day Berry and Lewis start at minicamp, Page becomes more irrelevant. And being the lone hold-out sends a bad message to his teammates.
I remember when Page and Pollard got their first start together
I thought I was seeing the future of a successful tandem that would be back there together for a long time. I actually thought they did okay. Pollard’s poor tackling sometimes annoyed me but I thought they’d continue to get better and better.
I don’t know what to make of both these guys being on the outs. Was Herm that bad a judge of talent? Were we as fans (I know I wasn’t the only one who liked them as a pair)?
Ask yourself
How much was your opinion jaded by the fact that everyone was singing Herm’s praises on having an eye for talent? I am so sick of hearing that. It’s as if that was the EXCUSE that was used to justify him being brought in as HC. I personally think Herm sucked at EVERYTHING but I am probably jaded the other way. I think he owes the fans an apology for wasting three years of our football lives.
Would you rather have Berry than Page or Pollard? I would, especially with the switch to the 3-4. That is another part of the player changes that we have witnessed. Changing our defense has meant a whole new set of standards for each player. Kendrick Lewis on the other hand is much more of a wildcard at this point and Page would give some needed experience in the secondary if he started. Pioli has the rep, all we can do at this point is give him the rope to prove it or hang himself.
I really like Page, but this team is headed for the playoffs and better
It would be sad to see him miss that. Just as it will be sad to watch the Chiefs winning playoff games this year, and TG not being a part of it. This isn’t cool aide talk, We have coaches who know how to do it and players that can.
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