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A Year Changes Quite A Bit With Chiefs Running Backs

Remember last year at this time we were debating whether Larry Johnson could be a full-time running back. We were looking at guys like Dantrell Savage, Kolby Smith and Jamaal Charles to be LJ's backup.

Frankly, I think last year a lot of us would point to running back as the weakest position on the team.

Now?

Star-divide

One year later and we're wondering if the Chiefs have too many good players at the position. The Chiefs spent the 36th pick in the draft on Dexter McCluster who could see some time at running back as well as (mostly) receiver. The way things are shaking out, he'll be the third string running back.

No. 1 and No. 2? Yeah, they're not bad, according to ESPN's Bill Williamson, who ranks Charles (1) and Thomas Jones (2) as the top two running backs in all of the AFC West.

Here's what he said about each.

Charles: "I think this guy is the next great running back star in the NFL."

Jones: "Jones may be one of the best additions in the NFL this offseason."

Funny how things work out from one year to the next. Somehow I doubt this time next year we'll be saying, 'Wow the Chiefs just have too many good nose tackles on the roster.'

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Hindsight is always 20/20....

Luckily it worked out best for us, and with the new stable of “smaller, quicker” RB’s taking front stage, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t break off 1,700 and 15 TD’s this year.

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
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by severn58 on May 5, 2010 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and aren't I the fool for drafting LJ in the 2nd round in my FFL....

Luckily Ray Rice was a saving grace……

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
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by severn58 on May 5, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty ambitious target for Charles

Not that he isn’t capable, but I think they are looking to limit him to 15-20 carries per game along with maybe 3-5 catches. TJ was brought in here to keep Charles’ carries down.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

look where 15-20 got him last year...

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by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

This..

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
-Emmitt Smith

by severn58 on May 5, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

he had 20-25 (closer to 25) carries in most of his big games last season. Personally I’m not crazy about limiting him to under 20, but it would be understandable if only to keep him healthy for the future.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can see 1,700 for a couple reasons..

Obviously his break away ability, I can see 2 games easily where he breaks 200, then he only needs to average right around 100 per. Sprinkle in TJ’s hard nosed style, with McCluster’s ankle-breaking moves, and by the 4th quarter the defense should be on empty, making longer runs more possible.

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
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by severn58 on May 5, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess if he can average > 5 YPC it could happen

But teams are going to really gameplan for Charles when he’s in there, which could limit his production somewhat…and a lot of his big plays came on 3rd & short situations, which presumably are going to TJ now.

It should do wonders for Cassel though, with teams keeping their safeties in the box to watch JC.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

That and DBowe...

With Chambers having a full training camp with Cassel, and defense’s having to respect the running game again, there’s no excuses for him this year. I agree that they’ll have to load up the box, freeing Bowe to POSSIBLY get better looks.

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
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by severn58 on May 5, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't be so sure 3rd& short are just going to jones

haley really likes to be as unpredictable as possible. if he’s averaging 5 YPC there’s no reason not to give him the rock in some of those situations

by E.C. on May 5, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

JC averaged around 20 carries a game as a starter

Let’s say this year he averages 22 carries a game next year (what Chris Johnson averaged last year) and project his numbers for this year based on what he did last year.

Future stats for future Jamaal Charles… FROM THE FUTURE:
Games: 16
Attempts per Game: 22
Total Carries: 352
Rushing Yards: 2075
Rushing Touchdowns: 13
Receptions per Game: 3
Total Receptions: 48
Receiving Yards: 356
Receiving Touchdowns: 1

Now take into account that he’s more experienced (look at how his production improved as he gained more experience last year), an upgraded offensive line, a legit receiving corps, and an improved D (so our offense is on the field more often) and I think JC will easily have 1700 yards and 15 touchdowns.

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by aasukisuki on May 5, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's all great, but keep in mind

that his best games were against Buffalo, Cleveland and in the last game against Denver…not exactly great rush defenses. Against better defenses like Pittsburgh & Cincy he was much less effective.

I’m not trying to take anything away from Charles, I think he’s a dynamic RB & he’s going be one of the best in the league over the next few years…but I do think the predictions are getting some of us set up for a disappointment. Personally I’d be happy with 300 carries and 1400-1500 yards from him next season. More if the team is in the playoff hunt in the 2nd half of the year.

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This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may be true

But I didn’t hand pick stats, I used averages which account not only for the Devner/Cleveland games but also the Pitt/Cincy games. That’s the beauty of averages. Not to mention he still had a 100 yard rushing game against Cincy, and averaged 3.4yds a carry against Pittsburgh.

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by aasukisuki on May 5, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure TJones counts as "smaller quicker"

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by upamtn on May 5, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't mean Jones...

I was talking about Charles, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, guys that typically wouldn’t have been considered starters a few years ago, but have their chances now.

"The way you perform make them feel about you different"
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by severn58 on May 5, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although for his style of more physical play, he is a bit quicker than one might expect.

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by jakethesnake27 on May 5, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't think anyone this time last year was calling the RB's

One of the weakest positions on the team. I think we were all hopefull LJ would have comeback season, afterall he was doing and saying all the right things.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 8:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I know I called it that.

You could tell the year prior that it was weak.

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?
Is not enough to make any judgement to me. LJ looks just fine to me, he still stiff arms the hell out of people, just hard to break tackles from DeMarcus Ware, Ratliff, Brooking, Tuck, Umenyora (sp), Seymour, Ellis Etc when they get in the backfield or break the line every other play… And I agree on the outside he looked quick. But with our O-line he will look like hes useless, IMO that’s not the truth. As for playcalling I thought it improved from the previous few weeks… Bottom line, if the O-Line improves than Wins/Rushing/Passing/Pass Protection improves… It all starts at the line.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol

so cause I backed LJ up on his running, that means I thought that position was the strongest or wasnt weak. It says in that quote, that he stiff arms people and looked quick on the outside. I said he looked fine. And that with our line he looks like he is USELESS. what does this quote prove at all? Nice call out tho… not really.

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

You go on to say that "IMO that is not the truth"

About him being worthless…read it again.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

So cause I think he has a use on the team

shows my view on whether or not that is the weakest position??.

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

and I read it again

doesnt show or prove your “point” at all… anyway on to the next.

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Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

ROUND 1 WINNER: CHICKS_LOVE_CHIEFS!

ROUND 2: FIGHT!

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by aasukisuki on May 5, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

damnit aasukisuki, that isnt fair. haha oh well ive lost before ;P

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Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with Pollard49 on that one.

I remember thinking Charles was going to be s mediocre back-up and I was killing Haley for keeping LJ (the thug) on the roster.
Remember LJ suddenly changing his attitude and saying he loved the new coaches? Yeah, that just happened to be right after his agent called him and told him to put on his school boy routine because he was due $4.3 Million roster bonus as long as he was on the team. Then when hew got it… you know the rest.
I’m amazed that Pioli fell for that line of crap when even I could see it coming.

by ARROWHEADSHANE on May 5, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can argue all day...

But we all actually agree that we are MUCH better today than last year.

by ARROWHEADSHANE on May 5, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Most definitely

Chicks just likes to start sh*t with me :P

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chiefs...

man you ever think what it would be like to grow up in a city with no sports franchise?!?!! I would go nuts..

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

lmao

yea, or to live in Montana or somethin like that… just a place with no sports at all… You just have to pick a team somewhere else, cause you dont have your own… I would be so sad lol

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is sad

Try living in Oklahoma. We just got the Thunder but before that, nothing. Plus all the d-bag fair weather fans here are Cowboys fans.

by ace328 on May 5, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ew thats the worst...

“Americas team” blah blah blah haha

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

I live in the Hays, KS area. About 1/2 way between KC and Denver. I have to deal with 1/2 the area being Donkey fans. It’s brutal. But man am I loving it right now?!!!! They are all crying soooo much.

by ARROWHEADSHANE on May 5, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would be too

Would be nice tho for when we win against them. I bet you had a holiday with them the last game of the season

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

OH MAN!

I killed them for that one. Wow it was fun.

by ARROWHEADSHANE on May 5, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Later bro

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I live and grew up in Des Moines

Luckily my Dad is from KC, so he brainwashed… errr… encouraged me to be Chiefs fan from a very young age.

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by aasukisuki on May 5, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well feel blessed, lol

I just like the Chiefs cause they have great history. Love my boys! that sounds so bad but oh well!

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha

Well considering you signed up in March 2010 it’s kinda hard to see what your thought were on LJ a year ago

Don't Fuccop Succop

by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

Different handle. Been here a long time though.

by ARROWHEADSHANE on May 5, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not allowed to answer that truthfully….so…yes, yes I do.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

shouldve known

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Allegedly.

Lol youre on a roll today chicks, bad day? :P

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by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

How could we’ve been so foolish.

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by 3GChief on May 5, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a Chiefs fan, but my anti-LJ sentiments were such that I would've rather seen LJ fail than succeed

And I know that some people would perceive that as anti-Chiefs, but that’s simply not the case. I believed that LJ was not only an incomplete and then-ineffective player, but also a hindrance to team development, and I believed his failure would force team progress. I definitely didn’t predict his twittergate, but I’m glad it happened. I had no hopes for him.

Granted, I liked Charles a lot coming out of Texas, but he even surprised me. The change was far faster than I had thought possible.

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never thought his off-field issues were that egregious

But he’s completely lacking in accountability, so in the end I was glad to see him go…particularly after his parting comments.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

The constant domestic issues weren't that big a deal to me

I mean, people have arguments, and it’s apparent that both he and the woman were stupid for continuing to be involved with each other. While LJ certainly didn’t appear blameless in the incidents, I think she was at least equally culpable, and I considered it simply a small sign of his character, not a major liability in itself.

However, his attitude with the team, fans, and city was absolutely terrible well before his twittergate. I think he was just a bad apple in the lockerroom.

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, LJ was always an excellent teammate who never threw another teammate under the bus(ala TO), by all reports was one of the friendliest and most accomading Chiefs with fans, as far as signing stuff, and gave lots of his time and money in charity to the city.
But Chief fans and the City of KC was poisened against him from the start, thanks to Vermeil, so trying to paint an accurrate picture of him is like banging one’s head against the wall, in trying to fight the inaccurate perceptions. He’s better off gone, and we’re better off moving on.

by dablueguy on May 5, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That conflicts quite a bit with, well, almost everything I've heard and read

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’v asked this over the years and I’ll ask again. Give one instance of LJ ever burying a teammate. I’ve never seen it. He rightfully buried Herm, along with Waters and Tony G doing the same after that Indy playofff debacle, but a teammate, never saw it.
The charity and how he acted with fans have been consistently documented. Again, I’ve never seen a story disputing those aspects. It’s easy to pile on LJ because he was a jerk in his nightlife pursuits, or the twitter nonsense, which was overblown beyond belief, but was a good excuse to move on, but that’s really about it.

by dablueguy on May 5, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of us

Pointed out the low odds of him succeeding…his age and history of carries were a big issue if I recall (and that’s not including the chances of him screwing up again…which he did).

by Joel Thorman on May 5, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think things are aligning pretty well for Cassel

The offensive line should be at least a little better, and more importantly, the running game should be lethal. The added protection and the possibility for legitimate play-action should really help the offense take some of the coverage and edge pressure off of Cassel, plus it should help the defense. Controlling the ball with Charles, Jones, and McCluster should tire the opponents’ defenses, and keep KC’s a little more fresh. If those things happen, even to a moderate extent, I think we can all count on at least three more wins in 2010.

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

As we saw the second half of last season

A lethal rushing attack will mask a lot of o-lines deficiencies. A leathal rushing attack is something I think we all can agree will should have next season.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

And that’s why I think this is the make-or-break season for Cassel. Not that he needs to be a superstar, but he does need to have a season more similar to what he did in ‘08 for NE. I think having the additional weapons on Offense, along with having Weis to tutor him along, is going to do wonders for Cassel’s stats. If it doesn’t I’m afraid that we aren’t going to have much to look forward to in the near future as KC fans.

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by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Charles had a fumbling problem

that was the biggest reason why he didn’t start over LJ. luckily, he made steady improvements to become not only a great RB but a good kick returner as well

by xchiefsx on May 5, 2010 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

"If you can't hold onto the football...you will not see the field"--Todd Haley

Boy did he almost pull a boner and sit him the whole season…which I’m guessing he would have done had LJ not shown how big of a douche he really is.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's scary is

that supposedly Pioli tried to trade Charles to Washington for a 5th round pick at the trade deadline. I really hope that’s a false rumor.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes good/great players are found by accident.

Have I heard anybody say “it’s all about taking advantage of your opportunities”? Where have I heard that?

by dwwtrader on May 5, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get the overstatement of the fumbling issue for Charles

First of all, he didn’t fumble that often. He fumbled twice in 2008 in 94 offensive touches, for a rate of less than 2.13% of his touches. Larry Johnson fumbled five times in 2008 in 205 touches, which put his rate at about 2.44%.

I know it’s trendy to say that Jamaal Charles fumbled at some unusually high rate, but it’s simply not the truth. Just because others have said it doesn’t mean that we should propogate the falsehood.

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

*propagate

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was a practice thing.

Not really in games but what I could gather he couldn’t hold onto the ball in practice to start the season…which is probably why he was inactive for a couple of games…

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by chicks_love_chiefs on May 5, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be

That would explain the coaches’ viewpoint, of course. What I don’t get is the fan statements.

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Charles did fumble a couple times early on in the season.

I believe a couple times were on kick returns, and one rushing. Later on in the season he fumbled in the Cleveland game. I’m hoping that most of this is due to his shoulder popping out of socket… which he had surgery in the offseason.

Just for comparison of running backs losing the ball… Adrian Peterson lost the ball 6 times last year, 4 the year before that, and 3 his rookie year.

It doesn’t appear to me that Jamaal has a fumbling problem, but I guess we shall see how this season goes.

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by ravenhawk on May 5, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope, two total fumbles in 2008, two in 2009

That’s really not bad at all—certainly better than a lot of guys who don’t get labeled with having a fumbling problem.

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by burntorangehorn on May 5, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Incorrect...

He fumbled 4 last year lossing 3, and fumbled 2 in 2008.

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by ravenhawk on May 6, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Incorrect

He fumbled twice in each year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8850/career;ylt=ArLHm2oX6qUHoY1fGB0ieH.uLYF

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by burntorangehorn on May 6, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Incorrect?

How could I possibly be incorrect? ;)

Okay, I stand…incorrect. Still, fumbles on returns are a lot different than fumbles on offense. The ball pops out the same way, but it’s a lot harder to hold onto the ball as a return man than as a running back, because the gunner and special-teams guys are generally moving at higher speeds and all gunning for the ball, unlike on defense.

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by burntorangehorn on May 6, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup... and you make a very interesting point!

I believe that the times he fumbled rushing was in the games that he fumbled returning the ball. I could be wrong about this, but I believe there was one game that he fumbled twice(which gave him the label of not being able to hold onto the ball 1 rushing/1 kick return). As I said I could be wrong, and it might have just been a bad game for the Chiefs holding onto the ball.

Anyways it seems like I remember reading that Jamaal Charles shoulder popping out of socket was a genetic thing(or just the way that his bones grew). I need to reread this article…. cause I wonder if he sustained some injury from Kick returns.

Go Chiefs!!!!

by ravenhawk on May 6, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

He certainly doesn't fumble as much as AP

And AP is widely considered to be the best RB in the NFL. I think his smallish frame causes his fumbles to be over emphasized.

Predictions:
This year will be better

by jmcgoblue on May 5, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many times did he fumble in that last playoff game?

2 or 3 times right?

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by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

AP fumbles all the fing time

Unless he fixes that, the second his production begins to decline he is going to get cut.

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by Scaryclouds on May 5, 2010 9:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shoulder

Wasn’t several of the fumbles caused by his shoulder popping out of socket? I can remember one where he went down on the sideline and missed the next couple plays while someone popped it back in.

by Bra on May 5, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Tomahawk

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I enjoy reading those old comments lol

Im sure this time next year we will be doing the same thing about something else

by tomahawk44 on May 5, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably,

it is fun tho to see some people guessed right or predicted what was gonna happen.

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not often right, but I will say I was on the Charles bandwagon very early.

I was hopeful that LJ would get it together, but also highly skeptical that he had suddenly discovered a new found maturity in the off season. I thought Charles had looked surprisingly good in the year previous during LJ’s suspension and wanted him to take over the starting job pretty much as soon as it became clear that neither LJ’s production nor attitude were anywhere near where they should have been, which occurred pretty early. I couldn’t believe how long it took Charles to get his chance. Thankfully, Twitter intervened.

by MtHammer on May 5, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here is a good one....whoever posted this is a true baller!! Lol

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/11/6/1119288/jamaal-charles-lose-yourself

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on May 5, 2010 9:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

He knows he is good

and that is a good post… now as far as the baller part… :P lol the Eminem lyrics were too funny tho, nice man

Winning isnt a matter of life and death, its more important than that.
Matt Cassel IS our franchise QB, and I cant wait to rub it MOST of your faces... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

by Pollard49 on May 5, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats crazy that Nicks gfs cousin is Eminem

I wonder if they got him to perform at the wedding haha

by tomahawk44 on May 5, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious!!

"Its going to be a challenge, its going to feel like forever, and there will be difficulties. But we will emerge on the other side of it stronger than we were when we entered." ~ Sudden

by Matt_Grbac on May 5, 2010 9:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

fumbles

The fumbling problems with JC and AP happen bc they are fighters. I read an article yesterday that broke down every RB and how they have fumbled in their careers. The categories were fumbles by: arm tackles, straight on tackles, multiple tackler, and fighting for yardage. JC and AP had an 82 percent and 87 percent respectively fumbles caused by fighting for extra yardage. Though this is not good it shows that they at least are putting forth effort to get yards instead of just letting someone slap the ball out of their arms. All running backs would have a hard time holding on to the ball if they are fighting for yardage and you got one guy trying to tackle you and another guy ripping it out. That’s just smart defense versus driven playmakers.

by red_manwalkin83 on May 5, 2010 9:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

if JC gets <20 carries

per game, it will be an absolute crime.

by SillyHatDay on May 5, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

It will be smart to limit him to 15-20 carries per game.

by dablueguy on May 5, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Without looking it up, I remember Dorsett as a bigtime fumbler.

by dablueguy on May 5, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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