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The Oakland Raiders: A Walk In The Park This Year

If you look at the Oakland Raiders roster you see that that they have no pass rusher just look at there Defensive ends and defensive tackles.

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Kamerion Wimbley OLB/DE: Kamerion a Wichita native is a 3-4 OLB who had 6.5 sacks in Cleavland 3-4. I don't think he will get more then 3-4 sacks in a 4-3 as a defensive ends. If he flops I would love for KC to sign or trade for him.

Matt Shaughnessy DE: Matt is a promising Defensive end but I think Callahan will easily shut him down on game day because he only had 4 sacks this year and had 1 at KC. 

Jay Richardson DE: Jay is more of a 3-4 defensive end at 6-6 280 pounds. But, he had a good year in Oakland summing up 4 sacks, But, Richardson is not a premiere pass rusher and is more of a run stopper. 

Richard Seymour DE/DT: Seymour is a 3-4 defensive who is lost in Oakland's 4-3. But, he still had 4 sacks last season, he is for of a run stopper than a pass rusher.

Tommy Kelly DT: Tommy is complete overrated Al gave him a 6 or 5 year deal worth 50 Million dollars. And he re payed Al with only 1 sack and 55 tackles.

There's a common denominator here there is no pass rush in Oakland, so I see Matt Cassel just trashing Oakland throwing for over 400 yards like he did in New England.

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What I'd want to know is, how is this any different than last year?

Have they lost a significant pass rusher?
In 2 games last year, Cassel went
24/39 – 241 1 td 2 int
19/34 – 216 0 td 1 int.

There’s a common denominator here there is no pass in Oakland, so I see Matt Cassel just trashing Oakland throwing for over 400 yards like he did in New England.

How do you figure things have changed?

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by craig in calgary on May 31, 2010 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

No but, we

strengthened are O line and added play makers in the running game and the passing game.

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by MJU-57 on May 31, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The online from the 2nd Oakland game will be the exact lineup as starting Week 1 in 2010.

I know its been easy to say “Oakland sucks” over the years, but they are going in the right direction.
I don’t think the addition of Dexter McCluster will double Cassels production.

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by craig in calgary on May 31, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have a new center who can snap straight

Thomas Jones who will grind out yards. Lija a solid pass blocking LG/C/RG. McCluster a speedy threat in the wildcat or any other creative plays. And lets not forget Jamaal Charles, I think were pretty much stacked with play makers. And also Moaki(however you spell it).

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by MJU-57 on May 31, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

400 yards....

2 games and 3 ints later you got your 4 & your saying the chiefs can accomplish this in 1!!!
well buddy your going to need some WR’s & hope your running game brings it.Oakland has been rebuilding the “D” & i’m happy to say no-one is going to be running on us like in the pass.keep up the good work & maybe in a few years you’ll make a game of it….400 in one game ROTFLMAO………..

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by bojackson34 on Jun 6, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well let's see

If Wimbley is a flop why should we sign or even trade for him?

Seymour is old but he caused quite a bit of havoc last year playing DE and DT.

Matt Shaughnessy has shown promise

The word is that Raiders will show 3-4 and 4-3 looks, trying to get the most out of all of their ‘hybrid’ players, Wimbley will be a LB in the 3-4 and on 4-3 looks then dropping to DE on 4-3 passing downs, Seymour will be a DT/DE in the 4-3, DE in the 3-4, Kelly DT in both… Honestly I can’t agree with your assessment of Oakland

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by BAMFSpecialOps on May 31, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Seymour is still a beast

and Kelly IS overrated, but puts on a lot of pressure.

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by R2J_24 on May 31, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you 'n' R2J.

Seymour disrupts. And he’ll bring you down if he gets a finger in your jersey.

by hmills110 on May 31, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Chiefs are in NO position to be writing Ws on the schedule just yet next to any games.

We are a 4 win team…Period. We need to bring our best game against every team we play this year. The Raiders are starting to show some stability within their organization and seem to be making better decisions than they have in the past. I look for them to be a tough opponent this year and for the next several years to come.

by Chiefsfan1970 on May 31, 2010 4:57 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but who do they have as a NT?

You can’t run a 3-4 properly without a NT.

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by SoCalBoltFan on Jun 2, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

It pains me to say this

But Oakland got better this offseason. I think we had the “better” offseason, but I wouldn’t throw Oakland under the bus.

Shaughnessy showed a lot of promise.

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by BJ Kissel on May 31, 2010 10:53 PM CDT reply actions  

everyone wants to throw oakland under the bus...

but i think they are the scariest team in the AFC west this year… they are starting to put together a pretty talented team… with good talent nonetheless… not the crap they usually pick up… apparently al is buying someones bullshit… i am starting to think this division may be a 2 horse race… and denver and san diego are not invited…

7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!

by Abyssmal on May 31, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

I want the AFC west to be the best division in football. It makes us better and ready for the postseason.

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by BJ Kissel on May 31, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

.

same, were really the laughing stock of the nfl. the chargers never make it all the way, the broncos die out midway thru every season, it doesnt get any worse than the raider’s organization, and the chiefs arent exactly a force to be reckoned with. i never root for these other guys but even teams like the browns get more respect than us just because of their division.

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by YogaFlame on Jun 1, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

RivalryGames

are never easy. This at one time was one of ,if not the best rivalry in football. Also didn’t Oakland when more games than we did last year?

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by dklogue1 on May 31, 2010 11:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Win

long night in the old ER. Holiday weekends you gotta love em.

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by dklogue1 on May 31, 2010 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

people doing dumb stuff?

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by BJ Kissel on Jun 1, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Alcohol the great equalizer. Makes people of ordinary or even superior intelligence retarded enough to play with posinous snakes.

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by dklogue1 on Jun 1, 2010 3:04 AM CDT reply actions  

The whole jist of this post is that the Raiders personnel is more suited to a 3-4

They are switching to a 3-4 base defense. But it would be nice to see Cassel throw for 400 on them.

by cpa913 on Jun 1, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

hate to say it, but then too, I've BEEN saying it for awhile now ...

the KC pass rush was nothing spectacular last ear and aside from Shaun Smith (he of the horrible stats who can’t stay healthy) we added nothing to OUR front seven … I guarantee you fans in Oakland (and elsewhere) are saying the same things about the Chiefs (in Oakland they might be drooling about the possibility of Jason Campbell throwing for 400 yards agains us)

MJU, I think you’re off-target here

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by upamtn on Jun 1, 2010 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Everything is on paper...it means poo

Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium as it prepares to turn a new Page on Chiefs legacy. Rivals think they are going to be fine on an island of Flowers, but when they get hit by what feels like a Carr, they'll never be able to eat a Berry ever again.

by worc on Jun 1, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah,

I think Oakland has improved on paper, but so have we and the Broncos. We are farther along the learning curve than either one of those teams and consistency should be our friend.

Jason Campbell may eventually be the savior in Oakland, but my guess is that he improves them just enough to lose the important games. He has never played well under pressure. Anything is better than Kung Fu Panda.

Denver has to prove that they have any consistency at all. Win your first six or seven and miss the playoffs? I wonder what invisible piece of that machine broke last year? Or was it several pieces?

KC has the QB advantage over both of these teams. Phyllis Rivers is the number one in AFC west and it’s his position to lose. He doesn’t seem to be doing that at this point. Everybody has been waiting for Norv to screw the pooch. He doesn’t seem to be doing that either. SD is the team to beat in the AFC West and if we can upset them on MNF, we set a tone that could be beautiful music for the rest of the year. Don’t be surprised to see a run game that nears exclusivity in that matchup and emphasis on pass coverage from our DBs. If they are going to beat us it will have to be done with the running game and that is not their strongest point at this time.

by Aiken_Drum on Jun 1, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like about any Raider game Iv'e watched

ground pound and Defense all day long. Wonder when the Big Four are going to sign their tenders.

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 1, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wheels fell off the Denver bandwagon when OL injuries started to mount.

All the rest is smoke. With both their tackles healthy, they’re tough to beat. Their RT should be 100% this season, but Clady’s patellar tendon rupture (partial tear, whatever) is something that’s TOUGH to come back from in a hurry, so they’re teetering, already.

by hmills110 on Jun 1, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

With him playing sub par

we should see some pressure coming from that side back to whoever is the flavor of the day QB. It could be clobberin’ time.

by Aiken_Drum on Jun 2, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Despite the "partial tear" a recent article ranking AFC West OLs still had Clady right at the top.

Kind of a head-scratcher. But they’re a lot more advanced in treatments (surgery and rehab) than they were when I had MINE repaired back in ’76.

by hmills110 on Jun 2, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Overall, Campbell was not a West Coast style QB which the reds were trying to install in him, because he is not a fast reactor, with short throws only stuff.

We are not a West Coast style offense so I expect him to blow you all away by the low expectations you all have (and the rest of the NFL) and totally eclipse Cassel’s stats. But the good stuff is that the Broncos will be in the bottom of the division. No Marshall no TDs.
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by JaggerJaw on Jun 3, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

no offense guys

but i dont think chiefs fans have any room to talk
oh and ur forgeting trevor scott, he had 7 sacks last year

by raiderfan4life on Jun 3, 2010 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Scott is a linebacker.

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by MJU-57 on Jun 3, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

he played DE half the season last year

and you said pass rush, outside linebackers can be pass rushers…demarcus ware, elvis dumervil, talk to me when you know what your talking about

by raiderfan4life on Jun 3, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh read the post it says DE/DT

Not LB playing DE, Ware/Dumbvile are 3-4 LB not 4-3 LB. Talk when you know what you are talking about ; )

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 4, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe because the poster wasn't sure where he fit?

Maybe because it has been stated Wimbley will be a DE at times?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 4, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

well Scott plays DE at times as well. Perhaps he didn’t want to put the stats up because he’s afraid of being wrong.

Raiders are the top pressure getting D-Line in the league two years running and the top sack getting D-Line.

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by KA1Z3R on Jun 5, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Raiders had the the top pressure-getting D-Line in the league last year and had the most D-Line sacks in the league. You failed to mention Trevor Scott who had 8 sacks last year playing both OLB and DE. Also failed to mention that Shaughnessy got half as many sacks as Greg Ellis (Ellis had 8) in a lot less time. Shaughnessy will be getting more minutes this year.

And you forgot LaMarr Houston, the rookie DE. Yes he’s a rookie so it’s anybody’s guess what his numbers will be. But since he’s 305 pounds, has the strength of a DT and the speed of a 265 DE, and is learning under Seymour, I’m guessing he’ll put up good numbers.

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by KA1Z3R on Jun 5, 2010 8:46 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

you pretty much explained how this post is false

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i really dont get how this guy thought we had no pass rush

by raiderfan4life on Jun 5, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Care to tell us what you're 4-3 and 3-4 fronts will look like?

I’m also curious to find out what Houston a 3tech will be playing DE

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 5, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

From how he said it

it sounded like Houston would be playing DE in 4-3 looks as well

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know what you're saying.

But there’s a lot of fungibility when you’re talking about those DE/LB guys. I can still see a lot of DE in their games, even if they never line up in a 3-pt stance. Shifting your fronts left or right is a teensy difference that changes what folks might call it. Since even in the 4-3, I prefer the bigger, rush OLBs, it’s pretty much just front 5 to me, anyway, and hardly worth watching when the D sends fewer than 5 hats (whoever they are and wherever they line up) into the O-backfield.

by hmills110 on Jun 6, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Talking about DE/OLBs is a little different than DT/DEs

I pretty much agree with what you are saying mills, however I just didn’t think Houston would be lining up as a 4-3 DE.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm kibbitzing, w/ too little info to add much (Typical Mills). Thx for the response.

3-4 looks, with DT/DE ’tweeners playing inside of DE/OLB ’tweeners can bring as much stout, speed and flexibility as what most teams have been struggling to get out of their front 4 looks, only most teams give up too much stout at DE, because they want speed from DE. I think Dallas is the most-cited example of 3-4 with no monster in the middle.

But in my heart, I’m also disagreeing with those who don’t think KC will be able to run a very stout 3-4 with Edwards and Smith in the middle. My expectations for our own front 3 are higher than most folks’.

by hmills110 on Jun 6, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i doubt we will have a 3-4

we really dont have a NT
except for kellen heard, but he is a undrafted rookie

4-3
Houston, Seymour, Kelly, Shaughnessy

i really dont see seymour playing DE full time
we released gerard warren, so we dont have alot of depth
cable said in an interview houston will be moved to DE
although i disagree, this is what i think our 4-3 will end up being

by raiderfan4life on Jun 5, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lots and lots of weight on that line

Idk I’ve heard that Raiders will show more 3-4 looks this year, so I was just going off of what I heard.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Seymour still has gas in the tank, he can wreak havoc from that LDE spot.

Depending on the guys around him, they can change up within the same personnel packages and confront offenses with a bewildering array of threats. We saw this in Seymour’s debut as a Fader, where I think he just got out there and played a devastating style of street ball.

by hmills110 on Jun 6, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup that line kind of reminds me of the 00/01 Ravens D

where they had 4 fatties down on the line letting Ray flow freely, the year he racked up 180+ tackles.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup. Along the lines of my reply, above.

I think numerous teams are wasting a lot of time looking for the next Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas or Jevon Kearse, instead of just getting STOUT up front, smart (and mean) @ LB, and FAST at DB. Everybody wants that FAST guy up front, who’ll let ‘em use extra hats in coverage, when it’s all about physical dominance in the trenches. If your fatties push their fatties around, your LBs and DBs will get the highlight reels (that fool everyone into looking for guys who’ll get the highlights, rather than the fatties who set the table for ’em).

by hmills110 on Jun 6, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup I agree with that

And what you said above

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

well a 3-4 would be great, we have alot of LB depth

i just dont see it until we have a true NT
if we do have a 3-4

seymour, NT(whoever it is), houston

this is with alot of rotation
so i really cant say what it will look like

by raiderfan4life on Jun 6, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would/could Kelly play the NT spot

if the 3-4 looks are just a few snaps a game?

Saints are looking to use multiple fronts this year as well

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea i could see that happening

kelly really isnt big enough but you never know, it could work

by raiderfan4life on Jun 6, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well if its just a few snaps a game

as long as he can hold a few guys he should be fine.

Just tryin to get an idea of where yall are headed

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

well whats going on with your guys D-line?

is tyson jackson and glen dorsey living up to their draft spot?
are you guys playing 3-4 and 4-3
if so who are your DTs?

by raiderfan4life on Jun 7, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am only talking about the guys on the D line

Unless they played on the D line the whole season I didn’t put them in my post.

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by MJU-57 on Jun 5, 2010 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

another question

u state oakland has no pass rush, but the whole defense can count as pass rush
why are you just looking at the numbers of the D-line, instead of the whole defense?

by raiderfan4life on Jun 5, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you expect them to blitz everyplay or what?

Because if they do we have some nice speed backs to dump the ball of too.

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by MJU-57 on Jun 5, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think we will have more blitz

we used it alot against the eagles and we had 6 sacks and won
we have alot of rotation on the D-line, you cant just look at 5 players

by raiderfan4life on Jun 6, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about

Oaklands pass rush got much better this offseason and looking at matt cassels numbers from the Oakland games last year i dont see how you can say hes going for 400.. a little optimistic.

by jcharles the future on Jun 6, 2010 1:45 AM CDT reply actions  

They got better on paper.

You never know how it’s going to fit together or IF it will fit together when the season starts UNTIL the season starts. Chokeland has underdelivered with promising talent, before. For instance, will Seymour STILL be the dominant player he used to be, or will this be the year we see him decline?

I’m definitely respecting the moves the Faders made, and I’m not counting them out, this year. This is Cable’s 2nd full year with these guys, isn’t it? Almost the same as Haley.

by hmills110 on Jun 6, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oakland seems to be another team on the rise

if they keep Cable/not let the Crypt Keeper call all the shots. This could be the renewal of good Chief/Raider teams while Donkeys/Bolts are down

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 6, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oakland has NEVER been a walk in the park for us

And this trash about only the d-line counting for pressure on the qb is pretty bad too. The Raiders got a helluva lot better this year, as did the Broncos and the Chiefs. The AFC West will be an above average conference in terms of conference game competition.

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by SuperTurtle on Jun 6, 2010 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

And take out Broncos as getting better

I have to see that to believe it, right now I think they will take a dive, maybe in a few years surface again

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