Former Chief Says Bowe Lied, Denies 'Importing' Women
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 8:04 PM CDT
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PrintJimmy Wilkerson, defensive tackle for the Saints, was on the Chiefs in 2007. Specifically, he was on the team for a road trip to San Diego.
But he doesn't know anything about "importing" women.
"The things he's saying are not true," Wilkerson told Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star on Thursday.
Wilkerson said security was so tight around the hotel that he had trouble getting his family up there, "let alone have girls waiting in the rooms for you."
The coach at the time, Herm Edwards, sang a similar tune in an appearance on 810 WHB Thursday morning. He said security guards patrolled the floor until two or three in the morning. Wilkerson says Bowe's story makes it look like coaches were allowing this to go on but "I know Coach Edwards did not do that."
"I was a part of that ’07 team and it looks like everybody on that team was a part of this," he said. "He’s talking about everybody on the team whether they’re married or they’re single. I’ve been married for about eight years. That kind of makes me mad because the married guys respect their wives but it makes us look bad. Now we have to answer to our families and to our wives and let them know we didn’t do anything like that and there was nothing like that going on."
And therein lies the biggest problem with all of this. He implicated his teammates. He made his teammates answer questions from wives, girlfriends and family members. He brought about questions of trust.
Wilkerson suggests someone -- "like Brian Waters" -- will ask him, 'Why did you say these lies?'
We'll have a reaction from Waters soon. He thinks the issue will be handled internally.
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Which now means I have to find another morning post!
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Headline:
“HeatherChiefsLvr admits to being imported”
Sub-headline
Calgary man implicated in importing scandal.
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
but it was only to be in tony gonzo's room
that’s it….and it only happened once….and I didn’t inhale. I did not have sexual relations with that woman!
by HeatherChiefsLvr on May 20, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
A little girl or girl action eh?
I like where this is going.
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don't ask don't tell....
that’s always been my policy…haha
by HeatherChiefsLvr on May 20, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Send October Gonzo. to Craig's room
That would be your only chance for forgiveness :P
Predictions:
This year will be better
Brian Waters has to sit this guy down
and explain some things to him. Bowe has hit the trifecta in less than a year. Suspended for a banned substance + spilled the beans on importing women + using a gay slur = Not a good look for a team who is building to become the model franchise…
yes ugly
What about the “image” of losing games. Has everyone forgotten that? I understand some fans believe they need to worry about image more than football, but a true, reliable image is an effect of proper behaviors that occur over a period of time, not a cause of them. Chiefs haven’t yet put together a .500 season, and some here are worried that Bowe opened his mouth about 3 years ago. Real image can’t be had before all the wins, and it can never be had reliably by simply covering up negatives. In fact, those negatives likely need to come to light, so they can be eliminated. In that sense, Bowe has done the team a favor. Maybe it was ill-advised or inadvertent but it’s going to make players think twice going forward. As Chiefs fans let’s supports a real team that wins real games; let’s not suddenly switch to being fans who wring our hands about about politically correct comments or corporate sponsorships before we even witness a .500 season. I understand some are concerned, and I think if there are legitimate, current, character concerns (eg. someone like Roethlisberger) on the team, that they should be addressed, but otherwise, let’s keep “image” where it belongs — it’s an effect. At this point in the process, we need to worry about the causes: get good people and play good football. The rest of the country can think what they want about what Bowe said — let them fill their heads with nebulous image horseh*t. For us KC Chiefs fans though, here on our home turf, letting these Bowe comments be anything more than a chuckle to amuse us, puts things backwards.
So because I said that this is going to get ugly
which it is. That somehow I don’t care that we’re losing. Way to twist things around and put words in my mouth.
Chill out and lay off the pipe.
Absolutely
See, people can agree with other people for different reasons. This means that maybe you had one “ugly” in mind, and maybe I had another. I agreed with you in the first line and never otherwise wrote about you or tied you to my views. In fact, I didn’t know anything about your views until you insulted me. If you believe others posting their own opinions in a forum puts words into your mouth and that pisses you off, then you may do well to limit your involvement to watching games in the basement until you find a job. Be honest with yourself about your limitations; it benefits all of us
Whatever....
So now we’re supposed to believe Jimmy Wilkerson!! Again, if you did nothing wrong, why are you mad?? And at this point, what player you know wouldn’t deny it, now that his wife might catch wind of it!!
Because
Again, if you did nothing wrong, why are you mad??
The perception Bowe created is that a lot of players were doing this and now those players are being questioned by their wives/family.
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
Those wives/girlfriends should have trust in their mates……and not question him!!
If not, why get married!!
importing women would make for a great Lanier63 video
Snap the fucking ball Brodie!
On September 13, 2010 I will finally get to share the Arrowhead Experience with my Wife. What better way that beating the hell out of the Dolts.
Soooo...
Why wouldn’t u believe wilkerson? Umm last time I checked your suppose to deny something if it didn’t happen right?! The fact is this another stupid move on bowe’s part.. How about he just sticks to trying to hold on to the ball!
by mccluster22 on May 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
D-Bowe broke the code of honor.
Now he’s gonna have the label “loose lips” or as we know it “snitch”. Either he has a great year cause he’s actually trying to focus now he has no friends or for that matter teamates who want to be around him. Or he’s going to fall apart cause no one wants him over or around. Look at Larry Johnson. He fell far from grace because his team was against him. Hell he was against himself.
Code Red
Bowe might need to call Tom Cruise right now:)
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on May 20, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That you don't rat on your teammates
And don’t let everything get to the media.
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
D-Bowe
This is starting to look alot like someone who is trying to get cut or traded. I’m just an outsider looking in but it has all the characteristics of a player who is ready to leave.
by red_manwalkin83 on May 20, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so
I disagree with that a lot.
I just think he makes dumb mistakes and doesn’t quite understand the impact of his words. He just doesn’t think all the time.
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you do rat out your teammates if they are doing something that is detrimental to themselves or the team.
But you sure as hell don’t rat them out in the media.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on May 20, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The question is
will this affect the team’s progress in becoming a winning team. Will other players turn on Bowe? Will players from other teams be out to get him for breaking the so called CODE? We were all hoping for a banner year out of him but it looks like he just picked out a mountain to climb. Will his team mates just let this slide? Think he will get many easy route to run or will the other teams be laying for him. His actions can have a real effect on the team.
i dont think it will affect the team that much
except for the fact that this certainly doesnt help his future with this team. I dont know much of anything about an NFL locker room but my guess is that it wont be huge deal as we get closer to the season. He just doesnt seem to be able get the maturity issues in check.
But again, if this sort of thing NEVER happens, why are his former teammates SO mad!! Also, why would his current teammates be mad………..remember, THIS NEVER EVER HAPPENS….LOL!! Tell the truth, shame the devil!!
Huh?
Not many really care if this sorta stuff goes on in the road…you just don’t want to be talking about it in ESPN the Magazine.
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Why are we so willing to look the other way on something like this. Offering to fly women out to see you in exchange for sex is solicitation of prostitution. And to blast somebody about being honest about it is just ridiculous. Do you know why there is “a code”? To cover up guys doing stuff they aren’t supposed to be doing. How many times have we blasted someone for their off the field actions? How many times have we blasted a front office or team for letting it happen? But then we’re going to turn around and blast somebody for being honest about it?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thoughts
And I think you expressed your point well (though I’d disagree with some of it).
However…is ESPN the Magazine the best forum for that? Wouldn’t calling the guy be better?
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
But we don't know when or where or if he has addressed this.
He was a rookie at the time. Not his place to question a veteran on the team about his actions. And what if he did bring it up to Herm Edwards? Because Herm says he didn’t know we take that as gospel? We know what team discipline was like in the Edwards Era. And until I hear somebody like Brian Waters or Tony Gonzalez come or Trent Green come out and deny this and blast Bowe over it, I’m inclined to believe he is in the right on this.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
the nature of the story, the place where it was written in ESPN The Mag
is for light hearted, anecdotal, stories from the road, or at least that’s where i think it’s supposed to be place.
imo, try to frame Bowe as some kind of “high road guy” in this scenario is incorrect as well. we also have to take him for his word that he didn’t participate, i could care less either way.
i don’t think this was malicious, i don’t think this was some moral stand, i think this was Bowe just not being that bright, no more, no less. and because of that, he’s going to face a sh*t storm, right or wrong.
Maybe he isn't trying to take a moral stand.
But he’s definitely not the team cancer that he’s getting portrayed as.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
no, you're right, and i agree with you to a point.
but Bowe hasn’t done himself any favors this year. unfortunately, to his “team” and other players in the NFL, he’s probably going to be viewed as a cancer. that sucks for Bowe, he seems like a good kid, just not that bright.
Well maybe it goes the other way.
Of all the teams to do it on, KC has to be the right one. Haley and Pioli talk continuously about how personal character is a key part of being the “Right 53”. You have guys like Brian Waters and Thomas Jones who are known for being good people along with great football players. Why not embrace it as a team and give the organization as a whole the moral high ground.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
in a perfect world, it may work
but this isn’t a perfect world. just like “no homo” should just be ignored, it was harmless, but the sensationalism of it, won’t go unchecked.
Bowe isn’t a cancer, he’s more like a benign tumor.
It's all well and good the former players denying it
But I don’t think any of them are as dumb as Bowe to say the truth, If it was the case. I just don’t know what Bowe could possibly have gained from coming out and saying this. Publicity is all
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
He just wasn't thinking
And didn’t understand how it would sound when it comes out of his mouth and is put in print.
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
Remember his story ends with him basically saying no to the girl.
by Joel Thorman on May 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just it, Selfish thinking.
“I didn’t do anything wrong so there’s no problem”. If what he says did happen. He doesn’t think about his teamates who were involved, unless all who were involved have been moved onby the club
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on May 20, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but.....
He is smarter than that. Is there no one in the locker to pull him to the side and beat it into his skull that this is unacceptable. I mean last year Haley made him 3rd string at training camp and he was still a starter on day one. He still didnt stop dropping balls. Then all this stuff starts happening and I guarantee he’ll be starting day one and keep dropping passes. Someone in the locker room needs to step up and set him straight cuz Haley sure isn’t doin it.
by red_manwalkin83 on May 20, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Basically
I have seen so much potential in d-bowe and d.j. that i’m tired of waiting for them to wake the hell up and show us that we were right for sticking by them and defending them to all the other fans out there. It’s frustrating and a little sad that they haven’t came to the forefront as leaders and our playmakers. Thats whats been wrong with the chiefs for so long. No leadership from the draft picks.
by red_manwalkin83 on May 20, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been a big fan of Bowe
But i’m seriously getting frustrated by this. Selfish thinking. He doesn’t think about how it might affect his other team mates
Can we be the AFC West Champions in 2010. You better believe it
The Chiefs offence will EXPLODE in 2010
by trentchiefsfan on May 20, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i really don't think he was being selfish
he just thought it was a fun, crazy story and didn’t think about the consequences
The fact is..
How many players have come through Kansas city since the 2007 season and not one of them has come out with this! Your crazy if u believe that bowe will have the same trust of his teammates.. What positives come out of this for bowe?? ZERO!!
by mccluster22 on May 20, 2010 9:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think bowe probably blew the whole thing out of proportion
Some teammate asked some bimbo off of myspace to come up to the rooms, where she flirted with bowe. Not exactly “importing” women imo, more likely he was trying to sound cool or something..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNm2rFzdvW8&feature=related
It happend, he’s made life hard for himself no doubt. Personally, i feel like if that’s what goes on behind closed doors then ok, that’s what goes on. But, at the same time, how can anyone cry if/when it comes out. Bowe did throw guys under the bus, but, if thats what they were doing, frankly, man up? Do whatever you want to do, but don’t think just because you’re a good player gives you immunity to do what you want.
Bowe was always going to sink or swin this year, if he cathes 80+ for 1000+ then people won’t really be talking about it. If he carries on in the same vein as last year people will take every opportunity to bag on him.
Maybe it’s because i’m from England and i’m not in the mindset, but i just think if you’re ‘importing’ women, then, man up if you get caught out. Don’t cry about it, you didn’t have to do it. Why are people saying he’s wrong for throwing his team under the bus, what about their wives and children? I thought it was faith, family and then football?
And one more thing, why on earth would he make it up? What does Dwayne Bowe stand to gain from this? I’m guessing (and yes i’m guessing) it probably did happen, but, frankly, truth hurts, If he catches balls it’ll be forgotten. If he drops balls he’ll be gone.
I don't think anyone is crying!
I think it was a douche move on his part !! Coming from a guy who just missed four games for a banned substance doesn’t make him the most trust worthy person! If u know anything about sports is u don’t throw your teammates under the bus that’s a cowards move!!
by mccluster22 on May 20, 2010 9:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Because these other guys are reliable, trustworthy sources?
And read Wilkerson’s comments. He completely contradicts himself. He says that Bowe lied. Then he says that Bowe’s comments make it look like everybody was a part of it. So which is it? Did he lie or simply not phrase it well?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
by citadelchief
What ,if D.Bowe was the only one involved ?
by 65tosspowertrap on May 21, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
MAN UP......my exact words
I agree ChiefUk………….a man screws up, but blames another man for saying something!! You knew it was wrong when you did it!! When its all said & done……..everyone controls their on actions!
One thing is sure....
He did not say no….Thats why his memory is still good….LoL
by superbowl67 on May 20, 2010 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is this what we expected?
Reporter: So did veteran players “import” women for themselves and the younger players during road trips?
Former KC Veteran: Oh yeah, all the time.
Reporter: Did Coach Edwards know about this?
Former KC Veteran: Are you kidding?! He’s the one who gave us the idea!
Reporter: What about the security at the hotel?
Former KC Veteran: Who do you think was holding the camera?
Reporter: Did Dwayne Bowe ever confront you about this practice?
Former KC Veteran: Haha, that rookie punk was always crying about how I shouldn’t cheat on my wife. We’d just send him to the ice machine and lock the door.
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Coach Haley said it best: “I’m going to stick to things that have occurred on my watch and keep it at that.”
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bowegate is going to blow up more tomorrow when the magazine is released...
Sucks because this offseason has been so amazing and optimistic without much distraction. At least it keeps things a bit interesting I guess.
Other Arenas wish they could be like Arrowhead Stadium as it prepares to turn a new Page on Chiefs legacy. Rivals think they are going to be fine on a island of Flowers, but when they get hit by what feels like a Carr, they'll never be able to eat a Berry ever again.
This sure puts Haley and Pioli in a tough spot.
I’m sure they are both livid over Bowe saying this to the media whether it is true or false. He may have reduced his marketability for a trade to teams that worry about team chemistry. If they cut him it looks like retribution to a whistle blower. If he lost the respect of his team mates you got to do something with him. Jeez Bowe, could you be a bigger dumbass?
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
Bowe isn't getting cut
And it happened 2 years before Pioli/Haley arrived, so why would they care other than the minor distraction? As for other players, Bowe didn’t name anyone so any individual player can easily deny it. They’ll all point to Jarad Allen and LJ.
There is way too much overreaction to this little piece of news.
Predictions:
This year will be better
Don't be so sure.
LJ was the feature back when his mouth sent him packing. Bowe is a #2 receiver. Game suspensions last year, chronic case of the dropsies, and now shit spewing from his mouth to the media,doesn’t make him look like the last guy on the team to be cut. If Haley thinks this latest episode is going to adversely effect team chemistry, this chump is gone.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
different scenarios
Bowe is not a sulking, pouty, passive/aggressive malcontent whose negative energy drags everybody down. Bowe wants to be there. 2.7 did not.
and the Chiefs put the HAMMER DOWN!!!!
I will give you this jmc
after a quick perusal of the other AFC west blog sites. This is the only site that finds this news worthy.
Left Tackle is Brandon Albert's natural position.
Bill Williamson has been mentioning it on ESPN.
But after the initial shock, it’s really died off.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
the magazine will hit the hands of people who don't surf the web.
it will hit waiting rooms, random bathrooms, people waiting in line at the grocery store. i don’t think this has died yet…we still have to wait for Whitlock’s take, too…i’m sure it’s coming.
Until Bowe has a good season.
Then it will die off until contract negotiations. If he gets his deal and continues to play well then people forget all about. Ray Lewis murder charges anyone?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm sorry, that has never been forgotten.
and never will be. the reason it’s died down, it happened a decade ago. but it will never be forgotten, and it shouldn’t. it was a murder trial, this is just frat boy exploits. big difference.
I think it's been pretty well forgotten.
I think if you were to ask the average fan about it they would give you a blank stare for a moment before the “Oh yeah, wow, I’d forgotten about that” I’m not trying to equate the two. I’m just using that to show that once a guy starts playing well people will forget all about it (pending no other controversies).
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
the average fan that knows Ray Lewis will remember Ray Lewis in an orange jumpsuit.
i respectfully disagree with you on this.
I don't think so.
I think he goes right into the Hall of Fame on his first ballot without any discussion about it. I really believe it becomes a footnote at best. He’ll be remembered for his Under Armour commercials and being on the cover of Madden way more than for manslaughter. I think only a few fans will ever think of him a jumpsuit when it’s said and done.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 20, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
and it's a shame
because he should have gone to prison and stayed there. but, since he’s a famous football player…
New body. Same soul.
Exactly..
Couldn’t of said it better idahochief!
by mccluster22 on May 20, 2010 10:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
please use the reply button
when responding to a comment. Makes things much easier to read.
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by Peyote on May 21, 2010 5:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Cry me a...
river Wilkerson. Girlfriends and wives are constantly suspicious of men cheating on them. I’ve caught my ex-girlfriends going through my cell phone on many of occasion. Yeah, she probably got a lot more inquisitive after this story, but this shit will all blow over after a week or two. He fucked up, but its not like he was some informant who showed all this damning evidence.
BTW...
you know Jimmy was partaking in importing to come out publicly like this. Its almost like he is screaming I’m guilty, I’m guilty! Lol, I mean its one thing to say that he didn’t participate, but to flat out say it never happened. I mean give me a break. Why would Bowe make up something like this.
Cut him
Out of all of my friends that are Chiefs fans, I was the biggest D. Bowe supporter. I loved his size and big play ability. I stuck up for him when other fans clowned on his stone hands. But this is the last straw. Cut him. Trade him. He really is a LSU version of T.O. after all. And to think that we were quietly having a perfect offseason.
Really?
T.O.? T.O.? You guys who want to cut Bowe are all fucking crazy. Fucking crazy I tell you! How are you that offended by this? No one is even going to remember this story come the season opener.
by I_Bleed_Red. on May 21, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
And start who?
We aren’t exactly stacked at receiver. And if we cut him, where does he go? Well, Denver and Oakland are both hurting in the big play guy department. And if we look to trade him now, no team will take him at actual value because they will know we’re trying to ship him off. We’d have to give up something else and would probably get a receiver of less value.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on May 21, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
but you are waaaaay overreacting!
Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.
by Peyote on May 21, 2010 5:23 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
this a reply to zyker
Only people who carry the opinions of others need the support of others.
by Peyote on May 21, 2010 5:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe so
I could be overreacting. I could also be wanting for the top of the line, first round draft choice, WR to show up. If he produces like he did last year then cut him just based off of production. Not to mention the drug use. Then we find out that this guy hangs out his team to dry like its no big deal? Hell if he was a Bengal, they would promote this dude to Team Captain!
just sayin
I know I wouldn’t want to work along side someone who throws me under a bus. Maybe the story will be dead by the season opener, but if he was my co worker, I wouldn’t forget his actions ever. I am not for keeping someone because we don’t have dept at that position. I just wanted to tell you guys my initial reaction was cut him. Does this sound like a guy that fits in with the “Right 53”?
For the first time I really think it's time to part company with Bowe...
WHY is he EVEN thinking or TALKING about anything but his job on the field?? It’s LONG past time for this guy to wise up and get with the program. Crapping on your team while everyone else is doing everything they can to bond and become winners is easily the most offensive thing he’s done since he came to KC. I notice the new brain trust didn’t even WHIFF the talent available from LSU in this years draft. Those guys can thank the DBO show for that too!
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